O.T. - Connection Problem:

Mark Twain wrote:
I left it to run through
the night and I came back
to exceeded limit error.

https://postimg.org/image/fke313c0x/


I checked beforehand and had 29GB free
so I then checked L: drive and all
of My Documents are there.

The only thing is that I have to
click several things to gain access
to My Documents but it worked.

So now do we do this for C: on the New
Win7 OS instead of 'L'?

Robert


You would create a directory on C: and
set the destination of the Robocopy to
that particular folder. That's if you
want to take a backup sitting on your
external hard drive (F: maybe), mount it
as virtual drive O: and then copy
it to C:\users\Rob\Downloads\RecoveredData.

mkdir C:\users\Rob\Downloads\RecoveredData

robocopy \path\to\O:\stuff C:\users\Rob\Downloads\RecoveredData the_usual_command_line_parameters

So you'd keep the original path you were
using for your O: drive. And modify the
destination path. And give it a unique name
so you won't become confused as to where it came
from.

I hope you're keeping good notes, because
there is every indication what you're doing
is just creating a lot of copies of stuff
you might not need. I still don't like the
idea of copying the entire home directory,
as there's just too much stuff to go through.
It takes too long to delete the materials you
didn't need in the first place. Try to concentrate
your efforts on the parts you really need.

I keep my "good stuff" in just one place.
You won't find music in My Music. You won't
find pictures in My Pictures. I don't store
things the way Microsoft wants me to. So I
do have a single folder suitable for recovery.
And because it collects a lot of junk, I have to
clean it occasionally. Just yesterday, I had to
move maybe 10-15GB of cruft out of there, before
doing maintenance operations on it.

You can use WinDirStat or SequoiaView to get an
overall picture of where all the storage is going.
What is wasting the gigabytes. I get all sorts
of hints about stuff I forget to delete, by using
one of those tools.

Paul

No am not keeping notes as I don't expect
to do this more than once and I'm just
following your instructions to get 'My
Documents' over to the 8500 New Win7 OS
so that I can make it fully operational.

So far we've only made (1) test copy and
that was to the SanDisk CruiserGuide which
I can easy delete at any time and use it to
test again before I actually do any transfer
to the 8500.

I thought the destination would be 'My
Documents_1 ? Why am I sending the data to
Recovered Data instead?

We've talked about this before; As I said,
all of my 'good stuff' is located in 'My
Documents'. If there's other applications
involved I'm unaware of them but I need
'My Documents'.

I don't have anything in My Videos, or My
Music etc same as you but 'My Documents'
has everything. Without it, I have nothing.
It's just the way I do things and I haven't
had any issues since I've used computers.


Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
No am not keeping notes as I don't expect
to do this more than once and I'm just
following your instructions to get 'My
Documents' over to the 8500 New Win7 OS
so that I can make it fully operational.

So far we've only made (1) test copy and
that was to the SanDisk CruiserGuide which
I can easy delete at any time and use it to
test again before I actually do any transfer
to the 8500.

I thought the destination would be 'My
Documents_1 ? Why am I sending the data to
Recovered Data instead?

We've talked about this before; As I said,
all of my 'good stuff' is located in 'My
Documents'. If there's other applications
involved I'm unaware of them but I need
'My Documents'.

I don't have anything in My Videos, or My
Music etc same as you but 'My Documents'
has everything. Without it, I have nothing.
It's just the way I do things and I haven't
had any issues since I've used computers.


Robert

I don't recommend trying to "Merge" two folders.

Virtual --- Copy program that --- (Working ---- Copy by hand,
Drive "O" doesn't annoy you directory) the valuable
(Robocopy)... bits to dest

So right now, the Cruzer is your working directory.
You can copy your pipe folder from there if you
want, into My Documents.

But if you were thinking "I'll just ram this stuff
from O: directly into My Documents in one shot", that's
dangerous *and* wasteful. That would be a 25GB transfer,
with potential duplicates. And you need to review
what you're transferring to see if it's the right
stuff or not. Maybe the dates are wrong, and
you never noticed. And so on.

I thought the destination would be 'My Documents_1' ?

The destination can be anything you want. As long
as you can keep straight later, what the directory
is for, what subset of materials are in there and
so on.

If you have a hundred slightly different 25GB folders,
that's not a good way to do things.

Paul

If I understand you correctly, I have
to do this manually, repeating the same
command for every single folder/file I
want moved over?

At present there's nothing in the 8500
New Win7 OS 'My Documents' and I was going
to create a 'My Documents_1' just to be safe.
but I get the feeling you don't think that's a
good idea so where else would I store everything?

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
If I understand you correctly, I have
to do this manually, repeating the same
command for every single folder/file I
want moved over?

At present there's nothing in the 8500
New Win7 OS 'My Documents' and I was going
to create a 'My Documents_1' just to be safe.
but I get the feeling you don't think that's a
good idea so where else would I store everything?

Robert

You currently have a My Documents_1 on your
Cruzer flash 32GB stick.

Look in there, for "items with size", and note
their importance, And copy them manually with
drag and drop, into equivalent locations on the
WIN7NEW same location.

In a sense, you are doing stuff like this...

cp "L:\My Documents_1\Pipes Folder" "C:\My Documents\Pipes Folder"

and you are doing it via Drag and Drop.

You would *not* copy ntuser.dat from one home
directory to the other. Don't copy any materials
which are an infrastructure part of the partition.
Just copy the things that are user data.

If you saw

My Videos
My Pictures
My Music

you could enter each one separately, and copy the
content to the equivalent folder on the C: drive.

I'm trying to ensure you don't try to "merge" two
folders, with info getting lost, and a lot of
dialog boxes asking you to confirm stuff. If you
deal with the individual contents of these
Junction Point folders, things could go a lot
smoother. "My Videos" is a Junction Point for "Videos"
for example. I want to be inside the directory in
question, on both my source File Explorer window and
my destination File Explorer window, when I do
the drag and drop. And by keeping the operation
to transferring only user data, the idea is
to create minimal fuss.

When you copied with Robocopy, from O: (virtual)
to L: (Cruzer), that should have corrected the
permissions. The permissions on O: would have
been Old_Rob. The permissions on L: should be
New_Rob (I'm hoping this was solved by the
Macrium "restricted folders" tick box...).
The drag and drop from L: owned by New_Rob,
should be a slam dunk when placed into
the New_Rob owned Documents folder on C: .

This whole operation should go smooth now.
I hope.

Paul

That sound simple enough,. just so were on
the same page:

use the CruiserGuide (Land drag and drop
User folders/files to Win7 New OS (C.
Could I use copy/paste instead?

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
That sound simple enough,. just so were on
the same page:

use the CruiserGuide (Land drag and drop
User folders/files to Win7 New OS (C.
Could I use copy/paste instead?

Robert

Sure.

I'm aiming for a non-damaging copy
operation here. One without a lot of
dialog boxes to click :-)

Paul

I'm now on the Win7 New OS and
have moved all pertinent User
folder/files from My Documents
from the Old OS.

I didn't have any problems and
only moved User files. I elected
not to move several files since I
had no use for them any longer. So
I should be good to go now.

So is there anything else I need to
do before eliminating the other
drive/partition?

How do I do it?

Robert

One thing ,.. I don't seem to have the
VLC download file. Could you please
provide me with a link so I can install
it?

I've been on the Win7 New all night and
seems OK minus the VLC.

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
One thing ,.. I don't seem to have the
VLC download file. Could you please
provide me with a link so I can install
it?

I've been on the Win7 New all night and
seems OK minus the VLC.

Robert

https://www.videolan.org/vlc/

There's a download button half way down or so.

*******

I'm simulating your setup, so it'll take a
while until I'm happy with the recipe. I'm just
about finished building it. I haven't booted
my NEW OS yet for the first time, which comes soon.

In terms of methods, I have two potential methods
to use for cleanup.

1) Paragon Partition Manager (free edition).

2) Use a Macrium Reflect CD, move the NEW partition
to your external drive, then move it back
(while doing a Resize at the same time).
I consider that process to be a bit more
ugly in terms of setting it up. On the
other hand, the GUI on (1) is a pretty
nasty piece of work. I've had trouble
figuring out where the "good stuff" is :-)

I'd do it with Windows, except Windows has
Shrink and Expand, but there is no Move in
Disk Management. And I need a tool to Move
the NEW partition to the left, followed by
an Expand.

HTH,
Paul

Mark Twain wrote:
I'm now on the Win7 New OS and
have moved all pertinent User
folder/files from My Documents
from the Old OS.

I didn't have any problems and
only moved User files. I elected
not to move several files since I
had no use for them any longer. So
I should be good to go now.

So is there anything else I need to
do before eliminating the other
drive/partition?

How do I do it?

Robert

You should be booted into the NEWWIN7 for this.

0) You should have a backup of the whole thing
before you start. The most dangerous step
is probably Step 1.

1) Using Disk Management, delete the OLD partition.
It should not have a label of "System" or "Boot"
on it in Disk Management. The OLD partition is
not your OS at the moment, so shouldn't have
identifiers like System or Boot.

2) Reboot. This verifies there was no dependency
on the partition. In my test here, the boot
menu corrected itself immediately, and only
shows NEWWIN7. EasyBCD is not necessarily needed
right away.

3) Time to resize with Paragon.

This is the 64-bit version. I tested with the 32-bit
version, so I hope this one is OK. There is a green
"Download Now" button to the left of "Good". 53,091,632 bytes.
No sign of adware that I could see.

http://download.cnet.com/Paragon-Par...-10904411.html

Install that in NEWWIN7, which is what you're running
at this time.

When the program starts, it comes up in "tile mode". You
will see roughly 9 tiles in the Window. Look for the
one labeled "Switch to Full Scale Launcher" which
is on the left, and is in a red tile.

Once switched to the power user interface, you will see
a menu row along the top.

Backup&Restore New Backup Format Partitioning Copy&Migration

You should not need to select any of these :-)

Your internal disk partition should be visible on the
pane labeled "Disk map". It kinda looks
like a row in Disk Management in a way.
The NEWWIN7 partition will be on the right.

Right-click the NEWWIN7 partition. The third entry down in
the menu is "Move/Resize Partition". Select it.

Grab the left-hand edge of the yellow box, and
extend it to the left. In other words, you're
now extending C: to the left, and making it
take up the unallocated space released when
you deleted the OLD partition.

Click "Yes" when it is adjusted to take the available space.
The adjustment window for the partition size will disappear.

Back in the main window, just above the "Disk Map"
words is the "Apply" box. You click that, to give
permission for the tool to carry out the resize op.

Yet another dialog will pop up - "Apply pending changes?".
Click Yes.

A square box should appear. It has an "Overall Progress"
indicator at the top, but this is kinda bogus. After
a minute or two of reading the filenames on the disk,
it'll pop up yet another dialog.

This one says "System Restart is Required". So in fact
it made little progress so far. In the middle you will
see "Restart the computer". It has a green arrow. when
you click "Restart the computer", it'll restart.

When it reboots, at first it looks like the regular
Windows 7 is going to boot. But then the screen
dimensions will change, and a window with blue bands
at the top and bottom will appear. The font is crude
looking. The words "Move partition" will be there
in the white area. This stage will take a lot of
time. On my test setup, I on purpose did not use
large partitions, so mine only took a minute or so.
The window has poor progress indicators. It did
show a progress indicator, but only near the end
of the operation (by which time, you'd probably
be taking a nap anyway, and would miss all the fun).

It will reboot back into Windows 7 when it is done.
There will be a UAC prompt, as Paragon will start
itself immediately when the OS comes back up. The
UAC prompt is so Paragon can start.

You should end up seeing the Paragon "disk-management-like"
view again. Only now, C: is fully resized and stretching
across the available space like you wanted.

I have pictures of all of this, but it would take
a while to post all of them. I thought I would pass
on the verbal description, in case you wanted to
give it a try.

You can back out of the Paragon procedure, up to the point
you click the "Apply" button. Once you click "Apply",
you're "in for the duration". If it takes three hours,
then you won't be able to use the 8500 for those
three hours. And since the screen will be in
640x480 mode, with no Windows desktop during the
procedure, you can't surf or anything else while
it resizes.

If you were to switch off, or if you lose power...
you may need to restore from your backup. So you do
want a backup before this starts (step (0) above).

Paul

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I would be very
leary of moving the New OS just
when I finished getting it working.

I'm afraid something might go wrong
and screw everything up.

In passing, the only thing that didn't
work yesterday was Antiques Roadshow.

http://www.pbs.org/show/antiques-roadshow/

Before, I was able to watch episodes
but now they want me to register?
Otherwise, I didn't notice any difference.

Robert

I need to re-read all of this to make
sure I understand it in my mind before
actually doing this but before I start
Also, I need an answer about moving my
new OS I just spent so much time/work
creating. I'm not comfortable with
that.

There's one other thing I noticed,. when
I moved the folders/files it scrambled every
file in the pipes(master)folder so they are
all out of order.

Robert

Here's my Disk Management:

https://postimg.org/image/buabdtrqt/

I assume I delete the D: partition?

Just how do I go about deleting it?

Robert

It's no big deal but I noticed
that when switching from my Admin
Account to my User account the
pages were resized smaller so had
to adjust them.

I noticed this behavior previously
and was wondering is this normal
for this to happen?

Robert