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Gaining control of my PC
I'm starting a new thread because it's a slightly different subject. How can
I gain control of my PC so I can change the name of, or remove dlls and other files? Why do I need permission from a "trusted installer?" I don't even know what it is. How is all this safety crap turned off or deleted or somehow removed so I can control my PC as I see fit? Thanks |
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On 01/12/2012 3:25 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:
I'm starting a new thread because it's a slightly different subject. How can I gain control of my PC so I can change the name of, or remove dlls and other files? Why do I need permission from a "trusted installer?" I don't even know what it is. How is all this safety crap turned off or deleted or somehow removed so I can control my PC as I see fit? Thanks There's A simple Registry hack first developed for W7, but works fine in W8. Rather than edit the Registry manually, you can download a ready-made Reg file... http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/add-take-ownership-to-explorer-right-click-menu-in-vista/ |
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R.H. Breener wrote:
I'm starting a new thread because it's a slightly different subject. How can I gain control of my PC so I can change the name of, or remove dlls and other files? Why do I need permission from a "trusted installer?" I don't even know what it is. How is all this safety crap turned off or deleted or somehow removed so I can control my PC as I see fit? Thanks The "safety crap" you refer to is an OS component that, amongst other "things", helps to prevent clueless Users from renaming, deleting, or corrupting *required* system files. After reading your other thread ( Windows Mail again ), no one should give you any info that will end up drastically lowering the built in security features of Windows 7 that protect the OS from *you*. Go search the windows7 forums ( sevenforums.com ) or the 'net for the info you seek and then you'll only have yourself to blame for the inevitable catastrophic results. MowGreen ================ *-343-* FDNY Never Forgotten ================ |
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On 01/12/12 15:25, R.H. Breener wrote:
I'm starting a new thread because it's a slightly different subject. How can I gain control of my PC so I can change the name of, or remove dlls and other files? Why do I need permission from a "trusted installer?" I don't even know what it is. How is all this safety crap turned off or deleted or somehow removed so I can control my PC as I see fit? Thanks You manually remove dll files AT YOUR PERIL. These files are created by either the Windows install initially, Windows updates or installed programs. To remove dll files, uninstall the program that installed them! That is the ONLY way of doing it. |
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On 12/1/2012 10:25 AM, R.H. Breener wrote:
I'm starting a new thread because it's a slightly different subject. How can I gain control of my PC so I can change the name of, or remove dlls and other files? Why do I need permission from a "trusted installer?" I don't even know what it is. How is all this safety crap turned off or deleted or somehow removed so I can control my PC as I see fit? Thanks This will usually allow you to get on with the task http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...windows-7.aspx |
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In message , Wolf K
writes: [] To R H Breener in case you don't get it: "DLL" stands for "dynamic link library". Every such file contains a routine used by a program. Why are they not in the main body of the program? a) Because they perform tasks that are not done every time the program runs, so leaving them on the disk saves RAM space; b) to make it easier to fix bugs; c) to avoid including code for tasks or routines etc used by several programs. HTH c) was, I always thought, the main justification for DLLs when they were first brought out. But the principle wasn't used as much as intended - and, where it is (usually with "system" dlls), they are prone to "DLL hell" when upgrades stop one of the things that uses them from working. Thus, it would be nicer if prog.s, if they must use DLLs, kept their own copies in their own directories; after all, disc space is now so cheap (and to some extent so is RAM, thus removing much of the need for DLLs in the first place). But sadly, it's not going to happen: installers will continue to put DLLs in common areas, thus making it difficult for people to tell what can and what can't be removed. (Yes, you _should_ always remove things using the official uninstaller, and uninstallers - _and upgrades_ - _should_ remove things no longer needed. Ha.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -George Bernard Shaw, writer, Nobel laureate (1856-1950) |
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 08:29:08 -0500, Wolf K wrote:
On 02/12/2012 6:18 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: n message , Wolf K writes: [] To R H Breener in case you don't get it: "DLL" stands for "dynamic link library". Every such file contains a routine used by a program. Why are they not in the main body of the program? a) Because they perform tasks that are not done every time the program runs, so leaving them on the disk saves RAM space; b) to make it easier to fix bugs; c) to avoid including code for tasks or routines etc used by several programs. HTH c) was, I always thought, the main justification for DLLs when they were first brought out. But the principle wasn't used as much as intended - and, where it is (usually with "system" dlls), they are prone to "DLL hell" when upgrades stop one of the things that uses them from working. Thus, it would be nicer if prog.s, if they must use DLLs, kept their own copies in their own directories... [...] Right, but it seems that MS's developer kit(s) default to putting DLLs into a System directory. Makes it easier for programmers, I guess. Hah! With development of the "manifest" file, which you'll see in a program directory, typically as a [program_name].exe.manifest, MS did give programmers the ability to use an ActiveX dll from the local app install path. There's an ActiveX dll, and a "standard" DLL. An "ActiveX" dll is "registered" in the registry, so apps that share it can use the same DLL. When the application loads, it looks at the registry for the location of that shared DLL. A "regular" DLL is different. These are not registered, and when a program requires one of these, it follows conventional rules, looking in the apps current directory for the dll first, and if not found it traverses the %path% to see if it can locate the DLL in the path. *My* experience is that the issue called "DLL hell" is no where nearly as serious as it was under Win9x....not that isn't ever a DLL issue, just that's it's not commonplace any longer. *My* Linux experience tells me this is not the case under Linux. While the diehard Linux users still (IMO incorrectly) use "DLL Hell" as bit of FUD against Windows, there is "dependency hell" under Linux. Same as "DLL Hell", but still very much an issue. There have been times when I started to install a package, and because it used a "shared library" that it was going to install/update, the system wanted to uninstall 10 *other* apps that used that same shared library that was about to be updated. |
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"MowGreen" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: I'm starting a new thread because it's a slightly different subject. How can I gain control of my PC so I can change the name of, or remove dlls and other files? Why do I need permission from a "trusted installer?" I don't even know what it is. How is all this safety crap turned off or deleted or somehow removed so I can control my PC as I see fit? Thanks The "safety crap" you refer to is an OS component that, amongst other "things", helps to prevent clueless Users from renaming, deleting, or corrupting *required* system files. And WindowsMail dlls are system files? I don't think so. I've been online for over 15 years and never met anyone who changed a "system" file and screwed up their PC. After reading your other thread ( Windows Mail again ), no one should give you any info that will end up drastically lowering the built in security features of Windows 7 that protect the OS from *you*. So trying to get WM to work in W-7 is drastically lowering the built in security features of Windows 7? I don't think so. Go search the windows7 forums ( sevenforums.com ) or the 'net for the info you seek and then you'll only have yourself to blame for the inevitable catastrophic results. If you send people to sevenforums.com who tire of all the unwanted safety popups and denied access crap, why do you bother replying? You seem to be unaware there are plenty of problems with W-7 even when people don't remove or change "system" files. I had to do a System Recovery because one fine day this past week because the W-7 PC couldn't see the HD. No new softwarfe was added. Nothing was changed. The PC is about 6 months old. No one uses the PC but me. All was well one day and the next moring it wouldn't boot up..... so don't blame the user for every crash or problem W's PC have. MowGreen ================ *-343-* FDNY Never Forgotten ================ |
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"Gordonbp" wrote in message ... On 01/12/12 15:25, R.H. Breener wrote: I'm starting a new thread because it's a slightly different subject. How can I gain control of my PC so I can change the name of, or remove dlls and other files? Why do I need permission from a "trusted installer?" I don't even know what it is. How is all this safety crap turned off or deleted or somehow removed so I can control my PC as I see fit? Thanks You manually remove dll files AT YOUR PERIL. These files are created by either the Windows install initially, Windows updates or installed programs. To remove dll files, uninstall the program that installed them! That is the ONLY way of doing it. The dll I'm talking about is the one in WindowsMail that has to be replaced for the mail program to work correctly in W-7. It has to be renamed, not removed. It's a copy of WM from Vista. The other is a copy of WM that was on W-7, but is disabled. I'm not stupid enough to start removing dlls for the hell of it. :^) BTW, I can't uninstall WindowsLiveMail using Programs-and-Features (not there, essentials can't be removed either) and it has no uninstall choice in Programs. |
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"charlie" wrote in message ... On 12/1/2012 10:25 AM, R.H. Breener wrote: I'm starting a new thread because it's a slightly different subject. How can I gain control of my PC so I can change the name of, or remove dlls and other files? Why do I need permission from a "trusted installer?" I don't even know what it is. How is all this safety crap turned off or deleted or somehow removed so I can control my PC as I see fit? Thanks This will usually allow you to get on with the task http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...windows-7.aspx This worked and I have that hidden Administrator account now on the W-7 PC. Unfortunately, I still can't, unlike last time, get WM to work on W-7. I can't figure out what the problem is. It worked perfectly until HP had me reinstall the OS, now it wont work at all. One email account worked for a few messages, NGs worked for awhile yesterday, but today that email account wont work either, so I can download NG messages on WM but not reply to messages. I'm friggin' sick over this. I despise WLM and tried several other email programs over the years and didn't like any of them. |
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On 12/4/2012 12:39 AM, R.H. Breener wrote:
"charlie" wrote in message ... On 12/1/2012 10:25 AM, R.H. Breener wrote: I'm starting a new thread because it's a slightly different subject. How can I gain control of my PC so I can change the name of, or remove dlls and other files? Why do I need permission from a "trusted installer?" I don't even know what it is. How is all this safety crap turned off or deleted or somehow removed so I can control my PC as I see fit? Thanks This will usually allow you to get on with the task http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...windows-7.aspx This worked and I have that hidden Administrator account now on the W-7 PC. Unfortunately, I still can't, unlike last time, get WM to work on W-7. I can't figure out what the problem is. It worked perfectly until HP had me reinstall the OS, now it wont work at all. One email account worked for a few messages, NGs worked for awhile yesterday, but today that email account wont work either, so I can download NG messages on WM but not reply to messages. I'm friggin' sick over this. I despise WLM and tried several other email programs over the years and didn't like any of them. Go install Thunderbird for Win 7, which is free. I use it for email and the NG reader to go to my Earthlink email, Gmail, MS NNTP Bridge account to access the MS forums and Earthlink NNTP servers. One program that does it all with no problems. You can also do this. I abandon WM after I dumped Vista. http://www.reaper-x.com/2006/09/20/a...g-thunderbird/ |
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 23:39:31 -0600, "R.H. Breener"
wrote: Unfortunately, I still can't, unlike last time, get WM to work on W-7. I can't figure out what the problem is. It worked perfectly until HP had me reinstall the OS, now it wont work at all. One email account worked for a few messages, NGs worked for awhile yesterday, but today that email account wont work either, so I can download NG messages on WM but not reply to messages. Regarding your GMail: I believe you were/are using incorrect server settings, which would explain why email isn't working. Regarding Usenet: I don't think you've asked for help with that or provided any issue description or error messages. If you can retrieve posts, you can usually reply to them (or your client should tell you why it can't). -- Char Jackson |
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 23:10:10 -0600, R.H. Breener wrote:
"MowGreen" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: I'm starting a new thread because it's a slightly different subject. How can I gain control of my PC so I can change the name of, or remove dlls and other files? Why do I need permission from a "trusted installer?" I don't even know what it is. How is all this safety crap turned off or deleted or somehow removed so I can control my PC as I see fit? Thanks The "safety crap" you refer to is an OS component that, amongst other "things", helps to prevent clueless Users from renaming, deleting, or corrupting *required* system files. And WindowsMail dlls are system files? I don't think so. I've been online for over 15 years and never met anyone who changed a "system" file and screwed up their PC. After reading your other thread ( Windows Mail again ), no one should give you any info that will end up drastically lowering the built in security features of Windows 7 that protect the OS from *you*. So trying to get WM to work in W-7 is drastically lowering the built in security features of Windows 7? I don't think so. Go search the windows7 forums ( sevenforums.com ) or the 'net for the info you seek and then you'll only have yourself to blame for the inevitable catastrophic results. If you send people to sevenforums.com who tire of all the unwanted safety popups and denied access crap, why do you bother replying? You seem to be unaware there are plenty of problems with W-7 even when people don't remove or change "system" files. I had to do a System Recovery because one fine day this past week because the W-7 PC couldn't see the HD. No new softwarfe was added. Nothing was changed. The PC is about 6 months old. No one uses the PC but me. All was well one day and the next moring it wouldn't boot up..... so don't blame the user for every crash or problem W's PC have. Logically speaking, that isn't actual *proof* that you didn't mess something up yourself. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:29:21 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 23:10:10 -0600, R.H. Breener wrote: "MowGreen" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: I'm starting a new thread because it's a slightly different subject. How can I gain control of my PC so I can change the name of, or remove dlls and other files? Why do I need permission from a "trusted installer?" I don't even know what it is. How is all this safety crap turned off or deleted or somehow removed so I can control my PC as I see fit? Thanks The "safety crap" you refer to is an OS component that, amongst other "things", helps to prevent clueless Users from renaming, deleting, or corrupting *required* system files. And WindowsMail dlls are system files? I don't think so. I've been online for over 15 years and never met anyone who changed a "system" file and screwed up their PC. After reading your other thread ( Windows Mail again ), no one should give you any info that will end up drastically lowering the built in security features of Windows 7 that protect the OS from *you*. So trying to get WM to work in W-7 is drastically lowering the built in security features of Windows 7? I don't think so. Go search the windows7 forums ( sevenforums.com ) or the 'net for the info you seek and then you'll only have yourself to blame for the inevitable catastrophic results. If you send people to sevenforums.com who tire of all the unwanted safety popups and denied access crap, why do you bother replying? You seem to be unaware there are plenty of problems with W-7 even when people don't remove or change "system" files. I had to do a System Recovery because one fine day this past week because the W-7 PC couldn't see the HD. No new softwarfe was added. Nothing was changed. The PC is about 6 months old. No one uses the PC but me. All was well one day and the next moring it wouldn't boot up..... so don't blame the user for every crash or problem W's PC have. Logically speaking, that isn't actual *proof* that you didn't mess something up yourself. The smoking gun is "Nothing was changed" and "No one uses the PC but me." Back in the early 1990's I did a stint as tech support for a small ISP and just about every call would start that way. :-) -- Char Jackson |
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On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:18:52 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:29:21 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 23:10:10 -0600, R.H. Breener wrote: "MowGreen" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: I'm starting a new thread because it's a slightly different subject. How can I gain control of my PC so I can change the name of, or remove dlls and other files? Why do I need permission from a "trusted installer?" I don't even know what it is. How is all this safety crap turned off or deleted or somehow removed so I can control my PC as I see fit? Thanks The "safety crap" you refer to is an OS component that, amongst other "things", helps to prevent clueless Users from renaming, deleting, or corrupting *required* system files. And WindowsMail dlls are system files? I don't think so. I've been online for over 15 years and never met anyone who changed a "system" file and screwed up their PC. After reading your other thread ( Windows Mail again ), no one should give you any info that will end up drastically lowering the built in security features of Windows 7 that protect the OS from *you*. So trying to get WM to work in W-7 is drastically lowering the built in security features of Windows 7? I don't think so. Go search the windows7 forums ( sevenforums.com ) or the 'net for the info you seek and then you'll only have yourself to blame for the inevitable catastrophic results. If you send people to sevenforums.com who tire of all the unwanted safety popups and denied access crap, why do you bother replying? You seem to be unaware there are plenty of problems with W-7 even when people don't remove or change "system" files. I had to do a System Recovery because one fine day this past week because the W-7 PC couldn't see the HD. No new softwarfe was added. Nothing was changed. The PC is about 6 months old. No one uses the PC but me. All was well one day and the next moring it wouldn't boot up..... so don't blame the user for every crash or problem W's PC have. Logically speaking, that isn't actual *proof* that you didn't mess something up yourself. The smoking gun is "Nothing was changed" and "No one uses the PC but me." Back in the early 1990's I did a stint as tech support for a small ISP and just about every call would start that way. :-) Actually, that last part is exactly what I meant :-) All based in no small measure on my own ability to make inadvertent and unnoticed changes... -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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