How important is net frame 3.5?

I simply can't get these windows updates (3) to install short of a
reinstall. These are referenced to code 80073712. I've been searching
and tried what has seemed to work for others but no in my case.

Windows 7 and Windows Vista

To resolve this problem in Windows 7 and Windows Vista, use one of the
following methods. For these methods to work, you must be logged on to
your computer as an administrator. Or, you must be able to supply a user
account name and password for an account that has administrative
permissions. If you are using your home computer, you may already be
logged on as an administrator.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957310

Method 1:Run the Windows Update troubleshooter

Method 2: Run the System Update Readiness tool (Checksur.exe)

Method 3: Install the latest service pack for your version of Windows.

Method 4: Run the System File Checker (SFC.exe) tool with the sfc
/scannow command

Method 5: Perform an in-place upgrade

SFC found and fixed some errors but reported not all. It refers to
CBS.log file but no way can I understand this file.

The it sends me to:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus

Like I might actually get a response.

I'm not about to do any kind of reinstall as everything is finally
working fine except this issue. That's why I ask if this update is
something I will ever use or need.

I have other win 7 systems this doesn't happen to so what possibly
could be different on this one?


Thanks to anyone that can offer me a clue.

Al

On 3/30/2014 11:38 AM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:12:15 -0400, AlDrake wrote:

I simply can't get these windows updates (3) to install short of a
reinstall. These are referenced to code 80073712. I've been searching
and tried what has seemed to work for others but no in my case.

Windows 7 and Windows Vista

To resolve this problem in Windows 7 and Windows Vista, use one of the
following methods. For these methods to work, you must be logged on to
your computer as an administrator. Or, you must be able to supply a user
account name and password for an account that has administrative
permissions. If you are using your home computer, you may already be
logged on as an administrator.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957310

Method 1:Run the Windows Update troubleshooter

Method 2: Run the System Update Readiness tool (Checksur.exe)

Method 3: Install the latest service pack for your version of Windows.

Method 4: Run the System File Checker (SFC.exe) tool with the sfc
/scannow command

Method 5: Perform an in-place upgrade

SFC found and fixed some errors but reported not all. It refers to
CBS.log file but no way can I understand this file.

The it sends me to:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus

Like I might actually get a response.

I'm not about to do any kind of reinstall as everything is finally
working fine except this issue. That's why I ask if this update is
something I will ever use or need.

I have other win 7 systems this doesn't happen to so what possibly
could be different on this one?


Thanks to anyone that can offer me a clue.

Al

Only important for programs that need it. Installing a program that was
written with it, will tell you if it can't find it. I had a program that
required 1.1 on Win 7. Now that was a bitch to find out how to install.

You could look in control panel, programs and features, "Turn windows
features on or off "to see if 3.5 is installed and turned on.


KenW


It says it's turned on but I can assume it's not installed I guess. I
turned it off but the updates still try to install. I know there's a way
to hide them but I can't seem to find it.

Do you know anything about that feature?

Thanks.
Al

On 3/30/2014 1:14 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:37:13 -0400, AlDrake wrote:

On 3/30/2014 11:38 AM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:12:15 -0400, AlDrake wrote:

I simply can't get these windows updates (3) to install short of a
reinstall. These are referenced to code 80073712. I've been searching
and tried what has seemed to work for others but no in my case.

Windows 7 and Windows Vista

To resolve this problem in Windows 7 and Windows Vista, use one of the
following methods. For these methods to work, you must be logged on to
your computer as an administrator. Or, you must be able to supply a user
account name and password for an account that has administrative
permissions. If you are using your home computer, you may already be
logged on as an administrator.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957310

Method 1:Run the Windows Update troubleshooter

Method 2: Run the System Update Readiness tool (Checksur.exe)

Method 3: Install the latest service pack for your version of Windows.

Method 4: Run the System File Checker (SFC.exe) tool with the sfc
/scannow command

Method 5: Perform an in-place upgrade

SFC found and fixed some errors but reported not all. It refers to
CBS.log file but no way can I understand this file.

The it sends me to:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus

Like I might actually get a response.

I'm not about to do any kind of reinstall as everything is finally
working fine except this issue. That's why I ask if this update is
something I will ever use or need.

I have other win 7 systems this doesn't happen to so what possibly
could be different on this one?


Thanks to anyone that can offer me a clue.

Al

Only important for programs that need it. Installing a program that was
written with it, will tell you if it can't find it. I had a program that
required 1.1 on Win 7. Now that was a bitch to find out how to install.

You could look in control panel, programs and features, "Turn windows
features on or off "to see if 3.5 is installed and turned on.


KenW


It says it's turned on but I can assume it's not installed I guess. I
turned it off but the updates still try to install. I know there's a way
to hide them but I can't seem to find it.

Do you know anything about that feature?

Thanks.
Al

Right click on the update and check the hide box which may stop it for a
while ??

I would do a Google search for something like uninstall net 3.5 on
windows 7 or reinstall (dump the )

Almost sounds like the original 3.5 was not installed
correctly/corrupted.

You are not the only one with the problem and won't be the last that I
have seen posted. There has to be more info around. That's why I said to
search for it.


KenW

Ya, I'll keep looking until I find the fix. I stopped to rest and
thought someone here might have a clue.

Thanks.

AlDrake wrote:
On 3/30/2014 1:14 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:37:13 -0400, AlDrake wrote:

On 3/30/2014 11:38 AM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:12:15 -0400, AlDrake wrote:

I simply can't get these windows updates (3) to install short of a
reinstall. These are referenced to code 80073712. I've been searching
and tried what has seemed to work for others but no in my case.

Windows 7 and Windows Vista

To resolve this problem in Windows 7 and Windows Vista, use one
of the
following methods. For these methods to work, you must be logged on to
your computer as an administrator. Or, you must be able to supply a
user
account name and password for an account that has administrative
permissions. If you are using your home computer, you may already be
logged on as an administrator.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957310

Method 1:Run the Windows Update troubleshooter

Method 2: Run the System Update Readiness tool (Checksur.exe)

Method 3: Install the latest service pack for your version of Windows.

Method 4: Run the System File Checker (SFC.exe) tool with the sfc
/scannow command

Method 5: Perform an in-place upgrade

SFC found and fixed some errors but reported not all. It refers to
CBS.log file but no way can I understand this file.

The it sends me to:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus

Like I might actually get a response.

I'm not about to do any kind of reinstall as everything is finally
working fine except this issue. That's why I ask if this update is
something I will ever use or need.

I have other win 7 systems this doesn't happen to so what possibly
could be different on this one?


Thanks to anyone that can offer me a clue.

Al

Only important for programs that need it. Installing a program that was
written with it, will tell you if it can't find it. I had a program
that
required 1.1 on Win 7. Now that was a bitch to find out how to install.

You could look in control panel, programs and features, "Turn windows
features on or off "to see if 3.5 is installed and turned on.


KenW


It says it's turned on but I can assume it's not installed I guess. I
turned it off but the updates still try to install. I know there's a way
to hide them but I can't seem to find it.

Do you know anything about that feature?

Thanks.
Al

Right click on the update and check the hide box which may stop it for a
while ??

I would do a Google search for something like uninstall net 3.5 on
windows 7 or reinstall (dump the )

Almost sounds like the original 3.5 was not installed
correctly/corrupted.

You are not the only one with the problem and won't be the last that I
have seen posted. There has to be more info around. That's why I said to
search for it.


KenW

Ya, I'll keep looking until I find the fix. I stopped to rest and
thought someone here might have a clue.

Thanks.



There are two tools you can get from Aaron Stebner, a
Microsoft employee. He makes a .NET cleanup tool
and a .NET verifier. The cleanup tool can be used to
remove .NET (in preparation for a re-install). The
verifier can be used to verify that an installation
is working properly. Basically, the verifier runs a small
program that uses .NET library, as a means of determining
whether the library files are ready to go.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/arc...8/8904493.aspx

While the page is dated 2008, it is regularly updated. The tool
currently supports 4.5.1 for example. You look on his Skydrive
page, look at the files offered, check the dates, to get some idea
whether you've got the "best" file or not.

http://cid-27e6a35d1a492af7.skydrive...px/Blog_Tools/

The link will change itself to this. Try dotnetfx_cleanup_tool link
in the third row.

https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=27e6a...5D1A492AF7!376

Further down that page, you can find netfx_setupverifier_new download.

The instructions for the setupverifier are here.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/arc...3/8999004.aspx

Paul

On 3/30/2014 4:58 PM, Paul wrote:
AlDrake wrote:
On 3/30/2014 1:14 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:37:13 -0400, AlDrake wrote:

On 3/30/2014 11:38 AM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:12:15 -0400, AlDrake
wrote:

I simply can't get these windows updates (3) to install short of a
reinstall. These are referenced to code 80073712. I've been searching
and tried what has seemed to work for others but no in my case.

Windows 7 and Windows Vista

To resolve this problem in Windows 7 and Windows Vista, use one
of the
following methods. For these methods to work, you must be logged
on to
your computer as an administrator. Or, you must be able to supply
a user
account name and password for an account that has administrative
permissions. If you are using your home computer, you may already be
logged on as an administrator.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957310

Method 1:Run the Windows Update troubleshooter

Method 2: Run the System Update Readiness tool (Checksur.exe)

Method 3: Install the latest service pack for your version of
Windows.

Method 4: Run the System File Checker (SFC.exe) tool with the sfc
/scannow command

Method 5: Perform an in-place upgrade

SFC found and fixed some errors but reported not all. It refers to
CBS.log file but no way can I understand this file.

The it sends me to:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus

Like I might actually get a response.

I'm not about to do any kind of reinstall as everything is finally
working fine except this issue. That's why I ask if this update is
something I will ever use or need.

I have other win 7 systems this doesn't happen to so what possibly
could be different on this one?


Thanks to anyone that can offer me a clue.

Al

Only important for programs that need it. Installing a program that
was
written with it, will tell you if it can't find it. I had a program
that
required 1.1 on Win 7. Now that was a bitch to find out how to
install.

You could look in control panel, programs and features, "Turn windows
features on or off "to see if 3.5 is installed and turned on.


KenW


It says it's turned on but I can assume it's not installed I guess. I
turned it off but the updates still try to install. I know there's a
way
to hide them but I can't seem to find it.

Do you know anything about that feature?

Thanks.
Al

Right click on the update and check the hide box which may stop it for a
while ??

I would do a Google search for something like uninstall net 3.5 on
windows 7 or reinstall (dump the )

Almost sounds like the original 3.5 was not installed
correctly/corrupted.

You are not the only one with the problem and won't be the last that I
have seen posted. There has to be more info around. That's why I said to
search for it.


KenW

Ya, I'll keep looking until I find the fix. I stopped to rest and
thought someone here might have a clue.

Thanks.



There are two tools you can get from Aaron Stebner, a
Microsoft employee. He makes a .NET cleanup tool
and a .NET verifier. The cleanup tool can be used to
remove .NET (in preparation for a re-install). The
verifier can be used to verify that an installation
is working properly. Basically, the verifier runs a small
program that uses .NET library, as a means of determining
whether the library files are ready to go.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/arc...8/8904493.aspx

While the page is dated 2008, it is regularly updated. The tool
currently supports 4.5.1 for example. You look on his Skydrive
page, look at the files offered, check the dates, to get some idea
whether you've got the "best" file or not.

http://cid-27e6a35d1a492af7.skydrive...px/Blog_Tools/

The link will change itself to this. Try dotnetfx_cleanup_tool link
in the third row.

https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=27e6a...5D1A492AF7!376

Further down that page, you can find netfx_setupverifier_new download.

The instructions for the setupverifier are here.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/arc...3/8999004.aspx

Paul

Thanks Paul. I knew you would come up with something.

Regards.

Al

AlDrake wrote:
On 3/30/2014 4:58 PM, Paul wrote:
AlDrake wrote:
On 3/30/2014 1:14 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:37:13 -0400, AlDrake wrote:

On 3/30/2014 11:38 AM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:12:15 -0400, AlDrake
wrote:

I simply can't get these windows updates (3) to install short of a
reinstall. These are referenced to code 80073712. I've been
searching
and tried what has seemed to work for others but no in my case.

Windows 7 and Windows Vista

To resolve this problem in Windows 7 and Windows Vista, use one
of the
following methods. For these methods to work, you must be logged
on to
your computer as an administrator. Or, you must be able to supply
a user
account name and password for an account that has administrative
permissions. If you are using your home computer, you may already be
logged on as an administrator.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957310

Method 1:Run the Windows Update troubleshooter

Method 2: Run the System Update Readiness tool (Checksur.exe)

Method 3: Install the latest service pack for your version of
Windows.

Method 4: Run the System File Checker (SFC.exe) tool with the sfc
/scannow command

Method 5: Perform an in-place upgrade

SFC found and fixed some errors but reported not all. It
refers to
CBS.log file but no way can I understand this file.

The it sends me to:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus

Like I might actually get a response.

I'm not about to do any kind of reinstall as everything is
finally
working fine except this issue. That's why I ask if this update is
something I will ever use or need.

I have other win 7 systems this doesn't happen to so what
possibly
could be different on this one?


Thanks to anyone that can offer me a clue.

Al

Only important for programs that need it. Installing a program that
was
written with it, will tell you if it can't find it. I had a program
that
required 1.1 on Win 7. Now that was a bitch to find out how to
install.

You could look in control panel, programs and features, "Turn windows
features on or off "to see if 3.5 is installed and turned on.


KenW


It says it's turned on but I can assume it's not installed I
guess. I
turned it off but the updates still try to install. I know there's a
way
to hide them but I can't seem to find it.

Do you know anything about that feature?

Thanks.
Al

Right click on the update and check the hide box which may stop it
for a
while ??

I would do a Google search for something like uninstall net 3.5 on
windows 7 or reinstall (dump the )

Almost sounds like the original 3.5 was not installed
correctly/corrupted.

You are not the only one with the problem and won't be the last that I
have seen posted. There has to be more info around. That's why I
said to
search for it.


KenW

Ya, I'll keep looking until I find the fix. I stopped to rest and
thought someone here might have a clue.

Thanks.



There are two tools you can get from Aaron Stebner, a
Microsoft employee. He makes a .NET cleanup tool
and a .NET verifier. The cleanup tool can be used to
remove .NET (in preparation for a re-install). The
verifier can be used to verify that an installation
is working properly. Basically, the verifier runs a small
program that uses .NET library, as a means of determining
whether the library files are ready to go.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/arc...8/8904493.aspx

While the page is dated 2008, it is regularly updated. The tool
currently supports 4.5.1 for example. You look on his Skydrive
page, look at the files offered, check the dates, to get some idea
whether you've got the "best" file or not.

http://cid-27e6a35d1a492af7.skydrive...px/Blog_Tools/

The link will change itself to this. Try dotnetfx_cleanup_tool link
in the third row.

https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=27e6a...5D1A492AF7!376

Further down that page, you can find netfx_setupverifier_new download.

The instructions for the setupverifier are here.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/arc...3/8999004.aspx

Paul

Thanks Paul. I knew you would come up with something.

Regards.

Al


..NET Framework 3.5 is a component of Windows 7 and will not be removed
by using the .NET Cleanup Tool ...
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/arc.../8904493.aspx?

" The cleanup tool contains logic so that if it is run on an OS version
that includes the .NET Framework as an OS component, it will not offer
the option to clean it up.

Control Panel Programs and Features Turn Windows features on or off
IF the box next to .NET Framework 3.5 is blue it's On. No matter if the
boxes below are checked or not.
Uncheck it if it's On.

Then download and save the appropriate version of the System Update
Readiness (x86, 32 bit, or x64, 64 bit) that matches your system's
architecture.
Ensure that checksur is not being Blocked by right clicking it, then
check it's Properties.

Configure the system to boot to a Clean State
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929135
then run checksur while the system is connected to the internet. It will
download .cab files and, hopefully, replace missing/corrupt components
of the OS.

*NOTE* if a 3rd party firewall was being used, ensure that the native
Win 7 firewall is now On as said 3rd party firewall is *OFF* in the
Clean Boot state.

Restart the system to Normal Windows mode after checksur has run, turn
on .NET Framework 3.5 in Programs and Features ( unless you know
otherwise, leave the 2 boxes under it *unchecked* ), and then see if the
troublesome updates install now.

If no joy you'll either need to do an "in-place upgrade" ( aka Repair
Installation ) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2255099
or do a clean installation of Win 7 to resolve the issue.

Hiding or NOT installing Critical *Security* updates for .NET Frameworks
is NOT recommended. It's only a matter of time until the cyberthugs
start exploiting all of the unpatched, vulnerable Windows systems that
are unable or unwilling to install Critical Security updates for .NET
frameworks.

Naturally, that time period depends upon the number of unpatched Java
runtimes and Adobe products that they are still able to exploit so, time
ain't runnin' out any time soon, but it will, eventually.


MowGreen
================
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
================

On 3/31/2014 4:57 PM, MowGreen wrote:
AlDrake wrote:
On 3/30/2014 4:58 PM, Paul wrote:
AlDrake wrote:
On 3/30/2014 1:14 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:37:13 -0400, AlDrake
wrote:

On 3/30/2014 11:38 AM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:12:15 -0400, AlDrake
wrote:

I simply can't get these windows updates (3) to install short of a
reinstall. These are referenced to code 80073712. I've been
searching
and tried what has seemed to work for others but no in my case.

Windows 7 and Windows Vista

To resolve this problem in Windows 7 and Windows Vista, use one
of the
following methods. For these methods to work, you must be logged
on to
your computer as an administrator. Or, you must be able to supply
a user
account name and password for an account that has administrative
permissions. If you are using your home computer, you may
already be
logged on as an administrator.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957310

Method 1:Run the Windows Update troubleshooter

Method 2: Run the System Update Readiness tool (Checksur.exe)

Method 3: Install the latest service pack for your version of
Windows.

Method 4: Run the System File Checker (SFC.exe) tool with the sfc
/scannow command

Method 5: Perform an in-place upgrade

SFC found and fixed some errors but reported not all. It
refers to
CBS.log file but no way can I understand this file.

The it sends me to:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus

Like I might actually get a response.

I'm not about to do any kind of reinstall as everything is
finally
working fine except this issue. That's why I ask if this update is
something I will ever use or need.

I have other win 7 systems this doesn't happen to so what
possibly
could be different on this one?


Thanks to anyone that can offer me a clue.

Al

Only important for programs that need it. Installing a program that
was
written with it, will tell you if it can't find it. I had a program
that
required 1.1 on Win 7. Now that was a bitch to find out how to
install.

You could look in control panel, programs and features, "Turn
windows
features on or off "to see if 3.5 is installed and turned on.


KenW


It says it's turned on but I can assume it's not installed I
guess. I
turned it off but the updates still try to install. I know there's a
way
to hide them but I can't seem to find it.

Do you know anything about that feature?

Thanks.
Al

Right click on the update and check the hide box which may stop it
for a
while ??

I would do a Google search for something like uninstall net 3.5 on
windows 7 or reinstall (dump the )

Almost sounds like the original 3.5 was not installed
correctly/corrupted.

You are not the only one with the problem and won't be the last that I
have seen posted. There has to be more info around. That's why I
said to
search for it.


KenW

Ya, I'll keep looking until I find the fix. I stopped to rest and
thought someone here might have a clue.

Thanks.



There are two tools you can get from Aaron Stebner, a
Microsoft employee. He makes a .NET cleanup tool
and a .NET verifier. The cleanup tool can be used to
remove .NET (in preparation for a re-install). The
verifier can be used to verify that an installation
is working properly. Basically, the verifier runs a small
program that uses .NET library, as a means of determining
whether the library files are ready to go.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/arc...8/8904493.aspx

While the page is dated 2008, it is regularly updated. The tool
currently supports 4.5.1 for example. You look on his Skydrive
page, look at the files offered, check the dates, to get some idea
whether you've got the "best" file or not.

http://cid-27e6a35d1a492af7.skydrive...px/Blog_Tools/

The link will change itself to this. Try dotnetfx_cleanup_tool link
in the third row.

https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=27e6a...5D1A492AF7!376

Further down that page, you can find netfx_setupverifier_new download.

The instructions for the setupverifier are here.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/arc...3/8999004.aspx

Paul

Thanks Paul. I knew you would come up with something.

Regards.

Al


.NET Framework 3.5 is a component of Windows 7 and will not be removed
by using the .NET Cleanup Tool ...
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/arc.../8904493.aspx?

" The cleanup tool contains logic so that if it is run on an OS version
that includes the .NET Framework as an OS component, it will not offer
the option to clean it up.

Control Panel Programs and Features Turn Windows features on or off
IF the box next to .NET Framework 3.5 is blue it's On. No matter if the
boxes below are checked or not.
Uncheck it if it's On.

Then download and save the appropriate version of the System Update
Readiness (x86, 32 bit, or x64, 64 bit) that matches your system's
architecture.
Ensure that checksur is not being Blocked by right clicking it, then
check it's Properties.

Configure the system to boot to a Clean State
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929135
then run checksur while the system is connected to the internet. It will
download .cab files and, hopefully, replace missing/corrupt components
of the OS.

*NOTE* if a 3rd party firewall was being used, ensure that the native
Win 7 firewall is now On as said 3rd party firewall is *OFF* in the
Clean Boot state.

Restart the system to Normal Windows mode after checksur has run, turn
on .NET Framework 3.5 in Programs and Features ( unless you know
otherwise, leave the 2 boxes under it *unchecked* ), and then see if the
troublesome updates install now.

If no joy you'll either need to do an "in-place upgrade" ( aka Repair
Installation ) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2255099
or do a clean installation of Win 7 to resolve the issue.

Hiding or NOT installing Critical *Security* updates for .NET Frameworks
is NOT recommended. It's only a matter of time until the cyberthugs
start exploiting all of the unpatched, vulnerable Windows systems that
are unable or unwilling to install Critical Security updates for .NET
frameworks.

Naturally, that time period depends upon the number of unpatched Java
runtimes and Adobe products that they are still able to exploit so, time
ain't runnin' out any time soon, but it will, eventually.


MowGreen
================
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
================

Thanks for the reply however it seems I'm in need of that repair
installation as the updates still won't install. I've never done one so
I guess It's about time I do at this point.

Ken1943 wrote:
Thanks for the reply however it seems I'm in need of that repair
installation as the updates still won't install. I've never done one so
I guess It's about time I do at this point.

I did a repair reinstall once. There are instructions if you do a web
search. Not as easy as XP by a long shot.


KenW

And not as practical either. You can escape from
fewer messed up situations, with the way the Windows 7 one
works. (You're booted into the OS and running setup.exe
from the DVD.)

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...r-install.html

Paul

On 3/31/2014 8:20 PM, Ken1943 wrote:


Thanks for the reply however it seems I'm in need of that repair
installation as the updates still won't install. I've never done one so
I guess It's about time I do at this point.

I did a repair reinstall once. There are instructions if you do a web
search. Not as easy as XP by a long shot.


KenW


I tried one once but it didn't work. I forget what happened. I'm
afraid I might screw up something. I have so much expensive SW installed
and if I lose any I might be in trouble. SolidWorks for one had to be
installed and setup by my IT guy so I had to bring the beast to work.
Now he's so busy that might not happen for some time. I think I might
clone the drive so if anything does go wrong I won't lose anything but
time, which I have less of that disk space.