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Windows 10 update fall 2019
In message , T writes:
On 9/6/19 6:11 PM, Paul wrote: T wrote: On 9/3/19 8:12 AM, Paul wrote: This sounds like a perfect job for Windows 7. I tell my Windows 7 customers to just get a good Antivirus (ESET, Kaspersky) and stay on Windows 7 until something forces them off it. I can't help but notice that as soon as M$ cleans up an OS and gets it working well (well, well for M$), that they just go to something else, not add value to what is already working. So no XP+ or Super W7. If you were "making money by selling widgets", wouldn't you have your marketing folks beat the hell out of the "new improved widget". Even though there aren't any improvements to be seen ? Does the Fuller Brush man make a lot of money by telling you that "you can use the old brush I sold you last year" ? What proportion of MS's OS income (i. e. excluding other products like Office, surface hardware, etc.) comes from new machine sales, and what proportion from sales of upgrades to existing users, home assemblers, and the like? I've always assumed - in recent decades at least - that it's mostly from new machine sales, even if the manufacturers drive a hard bargain (I heard mention of twentysomething dollars a pop, but I think that was towards the end of the XP era). Windows 10 would be fine, if we had more control over it. And that simply isn't going to happen. There's no business plan with that as an end-goal. Well, there might be, if income is mostly from new machines. (For which MS don't provide support, to a first approximation anyway.) I can "gut" Windows 10 for you, but the end-result isn't exactly useful. ** Paul Why they don't build on what they have and what their customers like, is beyond me. How about a Real Windows Nein. No Spying, no forced updates, no tiles, no tablet integration, no One Drive, no Web Accounts, no fast boot, no Skype, no Edge, no cortina ... A true Windows "No". But wouldn't you _want_ genuine bugfixes, and perhaps genuine enhancements? I agree, most of the other things you mention I could do without (though I expect the few I _would_ like to retain wouldn't be the same as other users, and that's where the trouble starts). "Window Nein says 'no' to s***ty Windows! Windows No, the Best Windows Ever!" You think the marketing weasels will go for it? What ??? Hey, I can fantasize. (-: -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf half the lies they tell about me aren't true. - Yogi Berra |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
On 9/7/19 10:49 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
But wouldn't you _want_ genuine bugfixes, and perhaps genuine enhancements? Hi J. P., Yes of course, but not forced on me and not with all their other trash. And it is not that this is not possible. Under Fedora, whenever I log in, I have a pop up that tells me how many updates there are AND WHAT THEY ARE. And I can access this utility whenever I please. And I can pick an choose what I want to update. If I want to, I can also configure Fedroa to update automatically, which I don't. And Fedora also has an ARMY of testers and a testers mailing list, of which I am a member and have contributed a tiny amount. If you need something right away, Fedora also has testing repositories, feedback appreciated. And Fedora's minor update goof ups happen maybe every four years or so, not every month!. Plus, YOU CAN DOWNGRADE any package you want and report the issue to Fedora where 80% of the time it is fixed within a month. And Fedora has a bug reporting system. But M$ NOOOOOOOOO. So I still like my fantasy about a true Windows Nein. "Windows Nine! Everything that should never have been in an operating system removed. A true Windows No. IT's NOT S*** !!!!" What ??? -T |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
In message , FredW
writes: On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 01:01:56 -0400, "RHB" wrote: Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way to stop that from happening I would love to read it. I use Windows Update Blocker https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-...-blocker-v1-5/ Standard I have all updates blocked. I only allow updates when I want to update. That seems to involve some quite complex digging into Services, and the editing of a text file, to use? Going by the above web page, anyway. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
In message , FredW
writes: On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 08:05:10 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , FredW writes: On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 01:01:56 -0400, "RHB" wrote: Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way to stop that from happening I would love to read it. I use Windows Update Blocker https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-...-blocker-v1-5/ Standard I have all updates blocked. I only allow updates when I want to update. That seems to involve some quite complex digging into Services, and the editing of a text file, to use? Going by the above web page, anyway. ??? As far as I can see. you are reading the part how to do it yourself without using Windows Update Blocker. I'm looking at the page again, and I'm still not su it's clearly written by someone for whom English is not their native language. I don't mind that - it is free, after all! - but it _is_ rather hard to follow. The program has only one (1) screen where you can select Enable Updates or Disable Updates, Select he choice you want and press Apply Now. That is all. Works perfectly for my Windows 10 home 1803. An example from the page: "Windows Update Blocker New version allow users to add any other service into Wub.ini file to block it , first please edit Wub.ini file and add your desired service name under the “dosvc=2,4” line , for example if you want to block “Windows Update medic Service” Please open services and find it", followed by screenshots of the Services area, and editing of Wub.ini . -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The average US shareholding lasts 22 seconds. Nobody knows who invented the fire hydrant: the patent records were destroyed in a fire. Sandcastles kill more people than sharks. Your brain uses less power than the light in your fridge. The Statue of Liberty wears size 879 shoes. - John Lloyd, QI supremo (RT, 2014/9/27-10/3) |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
Paul wrote:
Chris wrote: RHB wrote: "Chris" wrote in message ... Keith Nuttle wrote: On 9/5/2019 7:55 AM, Chris wrote: On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote: I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work. One of the big thinks in that schedule would OP Maybe intensive was an overstatement. My computer "work" consist of research, word processing and spreadsheets. While it is frustrating to have to break into a project to do an upgrade, what I use the computer for does not stress the CPU, memory, or hard disk. Ah, well in that case you can schedule that update to suit your timescale. A little trick is to set your network connection as "metered" and windows won't automatically update. Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way to stop that from happening I would love to read it. Man. That's annoying! Not happened to me yet. I had a week-long compute run, interrupted about 3 hours into the run with a "you'll need to reboot within the next 24 hours". It made sense to lose 3 hours work and reboot right away, than lose 27 hours work when it reboots on its own. The week-long compute run was the preparation of a panoramic image from ~70 overlapping images. The software has this horrible "paging out" mechanism, where the work is done at the blistering pace of 1MB/sec by the software. That's why it takes a week. I pulled the network cable out of the machine, to ensure the week-long run would finish. After my reboots were done. (You do extra reboots, just in case it has more reboots planned.) You can never have enough reboots at a time like that. I've had updates affect long jobs at work. Windows 10 is not suitable for compute jobs IMO. I now do compute jobs in the cloud. |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
"FredW" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 15:05:34 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" An example from the page: "Windows Update Blocker New version allow users to add any other service into Wub.ini file to block it , first please edit Wub.ini file and add your desired service name under the "dosvc=2,4" line , for example if you want to block "Windows Update medic Service" Please open services and find it", followed by screenshots of the Services area, and editing of Wub.ini . All is clear to me. I use Enable or Disable, that is all. Whatever more you think to read is up to you. On my laptops and tablet with W-10 that choice is not given anywhere. Updates are not a choice anymore. And I have no choice where deleting the updates are concerned. I have Windows 10 version 1803 (build 17134.984) I am not bothered by unexpected and/or unwanted updates. -- Fred W. (nld) |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
In message , RHB writes:
"FredW" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 15:05:34 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" An example from the page: "Windows Update Blocker New version allow users to add any other service into Wub.ini file to block it , first please edit Wub.ini file and add your desired service name under the "dosvc=2,4" line , for example if you want to block "Windows Update medic Service" Please open services and find it", followed by screenshots of the Services area, and editing of Wub.ini . All is clear to me. I use Enable or Disable, that is all. Whatever more you think to read is up to you. On my laptops and tablet with W-10 that choice is not given anywhere. Updates are not a choice anymore. And I have no choice where deleting the updates are concerned. He was talking about using https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-...-blocker-v1-5/ . I have Windows 10 version 1803 (build 17134.984) I am not bothered by unexpected and/or unwanted updates. -- Fred W. (nld) 2 -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf So, Heresy be damned (well, it would be, wouldn't it?). Radio Times 24-30 July 2010 (page 24) |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
On 2019-09-11 12:24 a.m., RHB wrote:
"FredW" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 15:05:34 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" An example from the page: "Windows Update Blocker New version allow users to add any other service into Wub.ini file to block it , first please edit Wub.ini file and add your desired service name under the "dosvc=2,4" line , for example if you want to block "Windows Update medic Service" Please open services and find it", followed by screenshots of the Services area, and editing of Wub.ini . All is clear to me. I use Enable or Disable, that is all. Whatever more you think to read is up to you. On my laptops and tablet with W-10 that choice is not given anywhere. Updates are not a choice anymore. And I have no choice where deleting the updates are concerned. I doubt that there's any simple "enable or disable" feature for a touch-enabled system. Instead, I believe that it would be necessary for you to go into the device manager and simply disable the driver allowing for the touchscreen to work. Windows won't cripple your hardware's full potential on its own... on purpose anyway. |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
In message , FredW writes: On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 08:05:10 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , FredW writes: On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 01:01:56 -0400, "RHB" wrote: Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way to stop that from happening I would love to read it. I use Windows Update Blocker https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-...-blocker-v1-5/ Standard I have all updates blocked. I only allow updates when I want to update. That seems to involve some quite complex digging into Services, and the editing of a text file, to use? Going by the above web page, anyway. ??? As far as I can see. you are reading the part how to do it yourself without using Windows Update Blocker. I'm looking at the page again, and I'm still not su it's clearly written by someone for whom English is not their native language. I don't mind that - it is free, after all! - but it _is_ rather hard to follow. IMO, you're reading too quickly / sloppily! :-) The program has only one (1) screen where you can select Enable Updates or Disable Updates, Select he choice you want and press Apply Now. That is all. Works perfectly for my Windows 10 home 1803. An example from the page: "Windows Update Blocker New version allow users to add any other service into Wub.ini file to block it , first please edit Wub.ini file and add your desired service name under the ?dosvc=2,4? line , for example if you want to block ?Windows Update medic Service? Please open services and find it", followed by screenshots of the Services area, and editing of Wub.ini . Yes, but *before* that paragraph, it clearly says: "How to block any other service and protect the settings" So it's about blocking *other* (than the Windows Update service) services. But granted, it would have been better if there was first a section for (describing the problem and) the basic solution and later a section for advanced use. |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
"Rabid Robot" wrote in message ... On 2019-09-11 12:24 a.m., RHB wrote: On my laptops and tablet with W-10 that choice is not given anywhere. Updates are not a choice anymore. And I have no choice where deleting the updates are concerned. I doubt that there's any simple "enable or disable" feature for a touch-enabled system. Instead, I believe that it would be necessary for you to go into the device manager and simply disable the driver allowing for the touchscreen to work. Windows won't cripple your hardware's full potential on its own... on purpose anyway. I disabled the touch-screens on my PCs. They were of no use to me. The LT with the cursor that went haywire now works like new. Imagine, those shop owners thought it was the motherboard and told me to **** can it. |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
On 2019-09-12 6:22 a.m., RHB wrote:
"Rabid Robot" wrote in message ... On 2019-09-11 12:24 a.m., RHB wrote: On my laptops and tablet with W-10 that choice is not given anywhere. Updates are not a choice anymore. And I have no choice where deleting the updates are concerned. I doubt that there's any simple "enable or disable" feature for a touch-enabled system. Instead, I believe that it would be necessary for you to go into the device manager and simply disable the driver allowing for the touchscreen to work. Windows won't cripple your hardware's full potential on its own... on purpose anyway. I disabled the touch-screens on my PCs. They were of no use to me. The LT with the cursor that went haywire now works like new. Imagine, those shop owners thought it was the motherboard and told me to **** can it. So what you're essentially saying is that your screen was so filthy (unbeknownst to you, apparently) that it was affecting the movement of the cursor. -- Your friendly neighborhood Rabid Rogue |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
Rabid Rogue wrote:
On 2019-09-12 6:22 a.m., RHB wrote: "Rabid Robot" wrote in message ... On 2019-09-11 12:24 a.m., RHB wrote: On my laptops and tablet with W-10 that choice is not given anywhere. Updates are not a choice anymore. And I have no choice where deleting the updates are concerned. I doubt that there's any simple "enable or disable" feature for a touch-enabled system. Instead, I believe that it would be necessary for you to go into the device manager and simply disable the driver allowing for the touchscreen to work. Windows won't cripple your hardware's full potential on its own... on purpose anyway. I disabled the touch-screens on my PCs. They were of no use to me. The LT with the cursor that went haywire now works like new. Imagine, those shop owners thought it was the motherboard and told me to **** can it. So what you're essentially saying is that your screen was so filthy (unbeknownst to you, apparently) that it was affecting the movement of the cursor. I'm surprised you didn't provide instructions on how to ruin the screen, using cleaning products :-) Someone telling you "your screen is dirty", does not mean applying Drano to the screen, or #50 sandpaper. The screen is normally quite intolerant of a wide range of cleaning products. But it's also hard to find good advice on exactly what is safe to use. I've accidentally removed the AR coating from two monitors over the years. On the CRT, I was shocked by how shiny the screen was, after the AR coating had been completely removed. Alcohol is generally pretty bad for that. The AR coating may have originally been solvated in propanol or ethanol or something. But ammonia based cleaners can also be antagonists. That doesn't leave a lot of (safe) cleaning options. It's also possible a previous application of a cleaning product, left a conducting residue. Or, if you opened a can of Coke near the screen, you may have sprayed Coke residue onto the screen. Coke contains a small amount of phosphoric acid in it. https://www.coca-cola.co.uk/faq/why-...coke-coke-zero "Coca-Cola European Partners use a very small amount of phosphoric acid in some of the Coca-Cola system’s soft drinks, such as Coca‑Cola Classic, Diet Coke, Coca-Cola Zero Sugar and Dr Pepper. It gives them their tartness." This is why, years ago, Coke was being used by some car owners, for cleaning the chrome bumpers on the car. The phosphoric acid in the Coke was likely the active cleaning ingredient. Paul |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:17:57 -0400, Paul wrote:
It's also possible a previous application of a cleaning product, left a conducting residue. Or, if you opened a can of Coke near the screen, you may have sprayed Coke residue onto the screen. Coke contains a small amount of phosphoric acid in it. https://www.coca-cola.co.uk/faq/why-...coke-coke-zero "Coca-Cola European Partners use a very small amount of phosphoric acid in some of the Coca-Cola systems soft drinks, such as Coca?Cola Classic, Diet Coke, Coca-Cola Zero Sugar and Dr Pepper. It gives them their tartness." This is why, years ago, Coke was being used by some car owners, for cleaning the chrome bumpers on the car. The phosphoric acid in the Coke was likely the active cleaning ingredient. Not just 'years ago'. Coke still works great to remove rust from chrome bumpers and trim, bugs from painted surfaces (grille, hood/bonnet, etc.), and pesky toilet bowl stains. Its use as a cleaner is well documented. People probably shouldn't really be drinking that stuff. |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
On 2019-09-12 9:17 a.m., Paul wrote:
Rabid Rogue wrote: On 2019-09-12 6:22 a.m., RHB wrote: "Rabid Robot" wrote in message ... On 2019-09-11 12:24 a.m., RHB wrote: On my laptops and tablet with W-10 that choice is not given anywhere. Updates are not a choice anymore.* And I have no choice where deleting the updates are concerned. I doubt that there's any simple "enable or disable" feature for a touch-enabled system. Instead, I believe that it would be necessary for you to go into the device manager and simply disable the driver allowing for the touchscreen to work. Windows won't cripple your hardware's full potential on its own... on purpose anyway. I disabled the touch-screens on my PCs.* They were of no use to me.* The LT with the cursor that went haywire now works like new.* Imagine, those shop owners thought it was the motherboard and told me to **** can it. So what you're essentially saying is that your screen was so filthy (unbeknownst to you, apparently) that it was affecting the movement of the cursor. I'm surprised you didn't provide instructions on how to ruin the screen, using cleaning products :-) Someone telling you "your screen is dirty", does not mean applying Drano to the screen, or #50 sandpaper. The screen is normally quite intolerant of a wide range of cleaning products. But it's also hard to find good advice on exactly what is safe to use. I've accidentally removed the AR coating from two monitors over the years. On the CRT, I was shocked by how shiny the screen was, after the AR coating had been completely removed. Alcohol is generally pretty bad for that. The AR coating may have originally been solvated in propanol or ethanol or something. But ammonia based cleaners can also be antagonists. That doesn't leave a lot of (safe) cleaning options. It's also possible a previous application of a cleaning product, left a conducting residue. Or, if you opened a can of Coke near the screen, you may have sprayed Coke residue onto the screen. Coke contains a small amount of phosphoric acid in it. https://www.coca-cola.co.uk/faq/why-...coke-coke-zero ** "Coca-Cola European Partners use a very small amount *** of phosphoric acid in some of the Coca-Cola system’s *** soft drinks, such as Coca‑Cola Classic, Diet Coke, *** Coca-Cola Zero Sugar and Dr Pepper. It gives them *** their tartness." This is why, years ago, Coke was being used by some car owners, for cleaning the chrome bumpers on the car. The phosphoric acid in the Coke was likely the active cleaning ingredient. I don't think that people are so retarded that we need to explain to them how to clean their screens. For my tastes, a small amount of water on a rag does the job. It removes oils and generally doesn't leave streaks as long as I dry it immediately. I had a few other cleaning products over the years too that I bought at Staples but I don't really see the point anymore when regular h20 does a good job. -- Your friendly neighborhood Rabid Rogue |
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Windows 10 update fall 2019
On 2019-09-12 11:12 a.m., Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:17:57 -0400, Paul wrote: It's also possible a previous application of a cleaning product, left a conducting residue. Or, if you opened a can of Coke near the screen, you may have sprayed Coke residue onto the screen. Coke contains a small amount of phosphoric acid in it. https://www.coca-cola.co.uk/faq/why-...coke-coke-zero "Coca-Cola European Partners use a very small amount of phosphoric acid in some of the Coca-Cola system’s soft drinks, such as Coca?Cola Classic, Diet Coke, Coca-Cola Zero Sugar and Dr Pepper. It gives them their tartness." This is why, years ago, Coke was being used by some car owners, for cleaning the chrome bumpers on the car. The phosphoric acid in the Coke was likely the active cleaning ingredient. Not just 'years ago'. Coke still works great to remove rust from chrome bumpers and trim, bugs from painted surfaces (grille, hood/bonnet, etc.), and pesky toilet bowl stains. Its use as a cleaner is well documented. People probably shouldn't really be drinking that stuff. If only it didn't taste so damned good! -- Your friendly neighborhood Rabid Rogue |
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