Virtual/Multiple desktop software thoughts desired

For those that use this type of softwa

1. Which program is your favorite?

2. Why?

3. What did you not like about others?




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Ken
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Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 7/11/2014 8:00 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
For those that use this type of softwa

1. Which program is your favorite?

2. Why?

3. What did you not like about others?

Why are you interested in them Ken? I have used them in the past, but I
would rather not relive that experience myself.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center

On 7/11/14 7:02 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/11/2014 8:00 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
For those that use this type of softwa

1. Which program is your favorite?

2. Why?

3. What did you not like about others?

Why are you interested in them Ken? I have used them in the past, but I
would rather not relive that experience myself.

I had never used them until Snow Leopard on this Mac. And I love the
concept, it fits me. G

Now, I hate using a computer that doesn't have them! LOL

I know others hate them, that's fine. I've a friend who just likes
pinning things to the taskbar, and having multiple layers of windows on
the desktop. I find it easier to have separate desktops for different
software I've got running.

Just easier for me to keep things sorted out, I guess.

--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:

For those that use this type of softwa

1. Which program is your favorite?
2. Why?
3. What did you not like about others?

See replies to your disconnected MULTI-posted thread over in the Win 7
newsgroup.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 23:49:54 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

For those that use this type of softwa

1. Which program is your favorite?
2. Why?
3. What did you not like about others?

See replies to your disconnected MULTI-posted thread over in the Win 7
newsgroup.

Thanks for the warning.

Multiposting makes me cross :-)

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 7/12/14 3:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 23:49:54 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

For those that use this type of softwa

1. Which program is your favorite?
2. Why?
3. What did you not like about others?

See replies to your disconnected MULTI-posted thread over in the Win 7
newsgroup.

Thanks for the warning.

Multiposting makes me cross :-)

You know, it doesn't matter if you multi-post or crosspost, somebody
always bitches.

And I'm kind if tired of it, and it can't be helpful to Usenet usage.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 7/12/14 7:36 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/12/14 3:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 23:49:54 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

For those that use this type of softwa

1. Which program is your favorite?
2. Why?
3. What did you not like about others?

See replies to your disconnected MULTI-posted thread over in the Win 7
newsgroup.

Thanks for the warning.

Multiposting makes me cross :-)

You know, it doesn't matter if you multi-post or crosspost, somebody
always bitches.

And I'm kind if tired of it, and it can't be helpful to Usenet usage.

And aioe.org often won't allow crossposting to both the 7 and 8 groups.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:36:11 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/12/14 3:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 23:49:54 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

For those that use this type of softwa

1. Which program is your favorite?
2. Why?
3. What did you not like about others?

See replies to your disconnected MULTI-posted thread over in the Win 7
newsgroup.

Thanks for the warning.

Multiposting makes me cross :-)

You know, it doesn't matter if you multi-post or crosspost, somebody
always bitches.

It's actually simple.

Scenarios that cause people to complain:
- Multiposting, period.
- Crossposting to too many groups, (more than two or three, IMHO), or
crossposting to unrelated/inappropriate groups, etc.

Scenarios that won't cause (reasonable) people to complain:
- Crossposting to a very small number of related and appropriate groups,
such as the Win 7 and Win 8 groups. In this case, two groups in total, both
related to the topic.

And I'm kind if tired of it, and it can't be helpful to Usenet usage.

I agree that it can be frustrating to be reminded of proper Usenet
etiquette, but in the long run it helps everyone.

On 13 Jul 2014, Char Jackson wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

It's actually simple.

Scenarios that cause people to complain:
- Multiposting, period.
- Crossposting to too many groups, (more than two or three, IMHO),
or crossposting to unrelated/inappropriate groups, etc.

Scenarios that won't cause (reasonable) people to complain:
- Crossposting to a very small number of related and appropriate
groups, such as the Win 7 and Win 8 groups. In this case, two
groups in total, both related to the topic.

And I'm kind if tired of it, and it can't be helpful to Usenet
usage.

I agree that it can be frustrating to be reminded of proper Usenet
etiquette, but in the long run it helps everyone.

It's not really about etiquette, it's about communicating efficiently
and being considerate. There's no need to cross-post to a bunch of
unrelated groups, and anyone who does so is certainly trolling or
spamming.

On another hand, multiposting a technical question to multiple groups
is like going to several different people and asking them to spend
their valuable time and effort to help you without telling them that
you've already got other people working on it. You've got a bunch of
people redundantly spinning their wheels. When I find that I've taken
time to try to be helpful, only to discover that somebody else has
already done it, I get very annoyed and and disinclined to help that
person any more.

On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 14:51:11 -0400, Nil wrote:

On 13 Jul 2014, Char Jackson wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

It's actually simple.

Scenarios that cause people to complain:
- Multiposting, period.
- Crossposting to too many groups, (more than two or three, IMHO),
or crossposting to unrelated/inappropriate groups, etc.

Scenarios that won't cause (reasonable) people to complain:
- Crossposting to a very small number of related and appropriate
groups, such as the Win 7 and Win 8 groups. In this case, two
groups in total, both related to the topic.

And I'm kind if tired of it, and it can't be helpful to Usenet
usage.

I agree that it can be frustrating to be reminded of proper Usenet
etiquette, but in the long run it helps everyone.

It's not really about etiquette, it's about communicating efficiently
and being considerate. There's no need to cross-post to a bunch of
unrelated groups, and anyone who does so is certainly trolling or
spamming.

On another hand, multiposting a technical question to multiple groups
is like going to several different people and asking them to spend
their valuable time and effort to help you without telling them that
you've already got other people working on it. You've got a bunch of
people redundantly spinning their wheels. When I find that I've taken
time to try to be helpful, only to discover that somebody else has
already done it, I get very annoyed and and disinclined to help that
person any more.

Thanks, Char and Nil, for cogent posts.

Had I replied directly to Ken's reply to my remark (which even had a
touch of humor in it), I would not have been so gentle.

I can never manage to understand why people don't want to communicate
well.

BTW, Nil, I have a friend who used to ask me for advice with her iMac
problems, but also secretly asked another friend for advice as well,
exactly as you describe above.

In her defense: I wasn't well qualified in the specifics of Mac lore,
although I happen to trust my thinking better than her other
consultant's :-)

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 7/13/14 8:57 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:36:11 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/12/14 3:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 23:49:54 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

For those that use this type of softwa

1. Which program is your favorite?
2. Why?
3. What did you not like about others?

See replies to your disconnected MULTI-posted thread over in the Win 7
newsgroup.

Thanks for the warning.

Multiposting makes me cross :-)

You know, it doesn't matter if you multi-post or crosspost, somebody
always bitches.

It's actually simple.

Scenarios that cause people to complain:
- Multiposting, period.
- Crossposting to too many groups, (more than two or three, IMHO), or
crossposting to unrelated/inappropriate groups, etc.

Scenarios that won't cause (reasonable) people to complain:
- Crossposting to a very small number of related and appropriate groups,
such as the Win 7 and Win 8 groups. In this case, two groups in total, both
related to the topic.

And I'm kind if tired of it, and it can't be helpful to Usenet usage.

I agree that it can be frustrating to be reminded of proper Usenet
etiquette, but in the long run it helps everyone.

You misunderstood the meaning. I'm tired of people bitching, period.
If you do any decent investigation of proper etiquette, you'll find
there are varied responses as to what is proper and what is not.

Besides, if looks as if you, Nil, and Gene chose to ignore my post that
stated aioe.org *forbid* my attempt to crosspost between
alt.comp.os.windows-8 and alt.windows7.general. Just 2 groups, which in
your opinion is appropriate.

What other solutions do you brain wizards have for a situation like this?


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 21:22:07 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

On 7/13/14 8:57 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:36:11 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/12/14 3:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 23:49:54 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

For those that use this type of softwa

1. Which program is your favorite?
2. Why?
3. What did you not like about others?

See replies to your disconnected MULTI-posted thread over in the Win 7
newsgroup.

Thanks for the warning.

Multiposting makes me cross :-)

You know, it doesn't matter if you multi-post or crosspost, somebody
always bitches.

It's actually simple.

Scenarios that cause people to complain:
- Multiposting, period.
- Crossposting to too many groups, (more than two or three, IMHO), or
crossposting to unrelated/inappropriate groups, etc.

Scenarios that won't cause (reasonable) people to complain:
- Crossposting to a very small number of related and appropriate groups,
such as the Win 7 and Win 8 groups. In this case, two groups in total, both
related to the topic.

And I'm kind if tired of it, and it can't be helpful to Usenet usage.

I agree that it can be frustrating to be reminded of proper Usenet
etiquette, but in the long run it helps everyone.

You misunderstood the meaning. I'm tired of people bitching, period.
If you do any decent investigation of proper etiquette, you'll find
there are varied responses as to what is proper and what is not.

Besides, if looks as if you, Nil, and Gene chose to ignore my post that
stated aioe.org *forbid* my attempt to crosspost between
alt.comp.os.windows-8 and alt.windows7.general.

In composing any given post, I always ignore comments made after I send
it. I lack a time machine.

Your comment was in your reply to the post in which I "ignored" your
comment...

There are free providers which don't have the restriction you mentioned,
by the way, such as Albasani.

Just 2 groups, which in
your opinion is appropriate.

What other solutions do you brain wizards have for a situation like this?


--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 7/14/14 12:57 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 21:22:07 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

On 7/13/14 8:57 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:36:11 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/12/14 3:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 23:49:54 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

For those that use this type of softwa

1. Which program is your favorite?
2. Why?
3. What did you not like about others?

See replies to your disconnected MULTI-posted thread over in the Win 7
newsgroup.

Thanks for the warning.

Multiposting makes me cross :-)

You know, it doesn't matter if you multi-post or crosspost, somebody
always bitches.

It's actually simple.

Scenarios that cause people to complain:
- Multiposting, period.
- Crossposting to too many groups, (more than two or three, IMHO), or
crossposting to unrelated/inappropriate groups, etc.

Scenarios that won't cause (reasonable) people to complain:
- Crossposting to a very small number of related and appropriate groups,
such as the Win 7 and Win 8 groups. In this case, two groups in total, both
related to the topic.

And I'm kind if tired of it, and it can't be helpful to Usenet usage.

I agree that it can be frustrating to be reminded of proper Usenet
etiquette, but in the long run it helps everyone.

You misunderstood the meaning. I'm tired of people bitching, period.
If you do any decent investigation of proper etiquette, you'll find
there are varied responses as to what is proper and what is not.

Besides, if looks as if you, Nil, and Gene chose to ignore my post that
stated aioe.org *forbid* my attempt to crosspost between
alt.comp.os.windows-8 and alt.windows7.general.

In composing any given post, I always ignore comments made after I send
it. I lack a time machine.

But your post, by the timestamps here, were about 21 hours *after* my
two posts. No time machine needed for that.

Your comment was in your reply to the post in which I "ignored" your
comment...

There are free providers which don't have the restriction you mentioned,
by the way, such as Albasani.

Just 2 groups, which in
your opinion is appropriate.

What other solutions do you brain wizards have for a situation like this?




--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:28:10 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

On 7/14/14 12:57 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 21:22:07 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

On 7/13/14 8:57 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:36:11 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/12/14 3:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 23:49:54 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

For those that use this type of softwa

1. Which program is your favorite?
2. Why?
3. What did you not like about others?

See replies to your disconnected MULTI-posted thread over in the Win 7
newsgroup.

Thanks for the warning.

Multiposting makes me cross :-)

You know, it doesn't matter if you multi-post or crosspost, somebody
always bitches.

It's actually simple.

Scenarios that cause people to complain:
- Multiposting, period.
- Crossposting to too many groups, (more than two or three, IMHO), or
crossposting to unrelated/inappropriate groups, etc.

Scenarios that won't cause (reasonable) people to complain:
- Crossposting to a very small number of related and appropriate groups,
such as the Win 7 and Win 8 groups. In this case, two groups in total, both
related to the topic.

And I'm kind if tired of it, and it can't be helpful to Usenet usage.

I agree that it can be frustrating to be reminded of proper Usenet
etiquette, but in the long run it helps everyone.

You misunderstood the meaning. I'm tired of people bitching, period.
If you do any decent investigation of proper etiquette, you'll find
there are varied responses as to what is proper and what is not.

Besides, if looks as if you, Nil, and Gene chose to ignore my post that
stated aioe.org *forbid* my attempt to crosspost between
alt.comp.os.windows-8 and alt.windows7.general.

In composing any given post, I always ignore comments made after I send
it. I lack a time machine.

But your post, by the timestamps here, were about 21 hours *after* my
two posts. No time machine needed for that.

Your explanation about aioe was in response to one of my posts (see my
sentence below that you even quoted)...

Here are some MIDs:

My post:
Message-ID:
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:51:59 -0700

Your reply to my post above (no aioe remark):
Message-ID:
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:36:11 -0600

Your reply to your own post above, wherein you mentioned aioe's policy:
Message-ID:
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:38:07 -0600

Those two posts were at 18:36 and 18:38 in my time zone.

Please tell me why no time machine was needed for me to see that.

Your comment was in your reply to the post in which I "ignored" your
comment...

There are free providers which don't have the restriction you mentioned,
by the way, such as Albasani.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 7/14/14 2:47 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:28:10 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

On 7/14/14 12:57 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 21:22:07 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

On 7/13/14 8:57 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:36:11 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 7/12/14 3:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 23:49:54 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

snip

I've started to come to the conclusion that some of the problem(s) are
software related, but I don't know where. I'm using Thunderbird 24.6.0,
you're using 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.84 if the info in my "View Source"
window is correct.

It looks like there's a problem with timestamping of messages, but I
can't determine where with any surety.

In composing any given post, I always ignore comments made after I send
it. I lack a time machine.

But your post, by the timestamps here, were about 21 hours *after* my
two posts. No time machine needed for that.

Your explanation about aioe was in response to one of my posts (see my
sentence below that you even quoted)...

Here are some MIDs:

Assumption: The Message-IDs and dates are copy/pasted from 40tude's
version of "View Source". ------ Thunderbird terminology.

My post:
Message-ID:
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:51:59 -0700

Your reply to my post above (no aioe remark):
Message-ID:
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:36:11 -0600

Your reply to your own post above, wherein you mentioned aioe's policy:
Message-ID:
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:38:07 -0600

Those two posts were at 18:36 and 18:38 in my time zone.

The "time", and in this case the minutes only, seem to be the only thing
that correlates. :-( At this point, I'm not willing to accept the
hours are correct, regardless of time zone.

Working with your first post listed above:
-----------------
Message-ID:
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:51:59 -0700
-----------------

When I open View Source here for that message, this is what I see for
your post:
-----------------
Message-ID:
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 15:28:25 -0700
-----------------

The date you show above is the date of Nil's post, not yours, according
to Thunderbird. According to TB, your post with that message ID is 13
July 2014, as I've listed above.

TB and 40tude agree on the dates and times of my posts. But here, your
posts, Char's, and Nil's are all July 13, almost one day after my posts.

Leaving us with the question, why are the dates different? Where is/are
the mistake(s) being made? I think it has to be software related, not
something you or I did.

If the dates and times between software aren't going to match, of what
value are the dates and times? Especially in a threaded view where you
*should* see the messages in the order they were replied to, IMO.

MIDs are pretty much useless to me in TB. They are just email
addresses, and if I click on them, I get a compose window. I've no idea
which message you or any sender are talking about unless I painstakingly
open each possible message in "View Source" and compare the MID.

With Thunderbird, there is the option of "Copy Message Location". Using
this feature for your message above, I get this to paste into an email
or post:

news://nntp.aioe.org:119/1deap1j9n07...er1907.invalid

If I click the above link in an email, so I presume the same thing
happens in a newsgroup post, your post opens in a new tab in TB. Once
this message comes back with a newsgroup check, I'll check and see what
happens when I click on the link.





snip


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"