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Old August 2nd 19, 02:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Don Kuenz, KB7RPU
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Default Roll back 1903 after ten day grace period expires


Short of a reinstall, what's the easiest, quickest way to roll back 1903
after the ten day grace period expires?

DISM /Online /Get-OSUninstallWindow
DISM /Online /Set-OSUninstallWindow /Value:30

fails with an element not found error. Besides, Windows.old seems too
sparsely populated for a feature update.

TIA.

Thank you, 73,

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  #2  
Old August 2nd 19, 05:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Roll back 1903 after ten day grace period expires

Don Kuenz wrote:
Short of a reinstall, what's the easiest, quickest way to roll back 1903
after the ten day grace period expires?

DISM /Online /Get-OSUninstallWindow
DISM /Online /Set-OSUninstallWindow /Value:30

fails with an element not found error. Besides, Windows.old seems too
sparsely populated for a feature update.

TIA.

Thank you, 73,


C:\Windows.old should be around 20GB or so,
if you are to have an opportunity to roll back
a Windows10 Upgrade applied recently.

There should be a GUI "revert" item for the purpose,
but after 10 days the Windows.old can be automatically
deleted, and then there is no possibility of "Revert".

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

Paul
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Old August 2nd 19, 06:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Roll back 1903 after ten day grace period expires

On 02/08/2019 14:48, Don Kuenz wrote:


fails with an element not found error. Besides, Windows.old seems too
sparsely populated for a feature update.


Just restore from your backups if you don't like 1903 which will hound
you every now and then because Microsoft servers now know that your
machine is capable of running 1903. You may not know but 1909/1910 is
also to be released within the next 90 days so you may want to start
preparing for it NOW.

Alternative is to use some junk operating system but at your age you may
not want to learn anything new.

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Old August 2nd 19, 06:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Roll back 1903 after ten day grace period expires

On 8/2/2019 12:56 PM, Paul wrote:
Don Kuenz wrote:
Short of a reinstall, what's the easiest, quickest way to roll back 1903
after the ten day grace period expires?

Â*Â*Â* DISM /Online /Get-OSUninstallWindow
Â*Â*Â* DISM /Online /Set-OSUninstallWindow /Value:30
fails with an element not found error. Besides, Windows.old seems too
sparsely populated for a feature update.

TIA.

Thank you, 73,


C:\Windows.old should be around 20GB or so,
if you are to have an opportunity to roll back
a Windows10 Upgrade applied recently.

There should be a GUI "revert" item for the purpose,
but after 10 days the Windows.old can be automatically
deleted, and then there is no possibility of "Revert".

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html


Â*Â* Paul

I have a tablet that never upgraded to 1803. After about the fourth
attempt to do the install and having it fail, i gave up on 1803. I can
tell you that keeping the previous version is a continuing hassle, as at
every oprotunity it tries to install the upgrade.

While you may not completely like 1903, the difference are not worth the
continuing hassle to prevent it from upgrading.

Besides if you don't upgrade you will not get the significantly improved
icon that shows when the WIFI is turned off ;-)

Point being there is no noticeable difference in 18003 and 1903.

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Old August 2nd 19, 08:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Don Kuenz, KB7RPU
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Default Roll back 1903 after ten day grace period expires

Paul wrote:
Don Kuenz wrote:
Short of a reinstall, what's the easiest, quickest way to roll back 1903
after the ten day grace period expires?

DISM /Online /Get-OSUninstallWindow
DISM /Online /Set-OSUninstallWindow /Value:30

fails with an element not found error. Besides, Windows.old seems too
sparsely populated for a feature update.


C:\Windows.old should be around 20GB or so,
if you are to have an opportunity to roll back
a Windows10 Upgrade applied recently.

There should be a GUI "revert" item for the purpose,
but after 10 days the Windows.old can be automatically
deleted, and then there is no possibility of "Revert".

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html


Been there, done that. Although a half a dozen SurfacePros/laptops/PCs
responded to reversion at an offsite clinic, one rogue PC remains with
an expired grace period. It went offline probably due to hibernation,
but it's my hunch that its C:\Windows.old is far smaller than 20GB.
The pertinent software vendor promises to hot fix the problem. Until
then, it'd be nice to simply mount a 1803 ISO image and do an in-place
reversion/install with a couple of clicks.

Thank you, 73,

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Old August 2nd 19, 09:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Roll back 1903 after ten day grace period expires

On 02/08/2019 20:23, Don Kuenz wrote:

The pertinent software vendor promises to hot fix the problem. Until
then, it'd be nice to simply mount a 1803 ISO image and do an in-place
reversion/install with a couple of clicks.

Thank you, 73,


Whoever is this pertinent software vendor, updates and upgrades for
Windows 10 are distributed by a company called Microsoft. However, you
are hell-bent on going back to 1803 so please do it and use it until
November 12, 2019. After this date, Microsoft will push you to an
upgrade and you will be hounded until you get fed up of your machine
becoming sluggish and slow because the updates are still downloading or
that you haven't done what you are supposed to do after each updates or
upgrades.

Why did you upgrade your machine to 1803 in the first place? Didn't you
give a careful thought before doing this? Upgrades are regular on
modern operating system that are service based so get used to this or
stop using the machine completely.





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Old August 2nd 19, 09:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Roll back 1903 after ten day grace period expires

Don Kuenz wrote:
Until
then, it'd be nice to simply mount a 1803 ISO image and do an in-place
reversion/install with a couple of clicks.



Windows.old contained a lot more than a 1803 ISO image. Windows.old
contained a lot of your own settings and stuff, so that the rollback
could know how to put things back the way they were. The contents of
Windows.old are automatically deleted after 10 days.

The 1903 upgrade knew how to to do an in-place upgrade from 1803. The
1903 upgrade was created after 1803.

A 1803 ISO image was never designed to do an in-place downgrade from
1903. It was created before 1903 existed, and it would not know all the
changes to be put back.

If there were an in-place downgrade from 1903 to 1803, you would need a
separate program for it. You would get such a separate program from
Microsoft.

Microsoft has little or no incentive to provide a *free* such program to
let you downgrade. You might need to go to Microsoft with the same kind
of money that Uncle Sam did to get continued XP support.

Yes there is a 10 day rollback, but it exists for people who found the
1903 upgrade was incompatible with their hardware or software. These
people are expected to find this out within 10 days, before the contents
of Windows.old are automatically deleted. And the 10 day rollback relies
on your stuff in Windows.old which is not in the ISO image.

  #8  
Old August 3rd 19, 12:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Don Kuenz, KB7RPU
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Default Roll back 1903 after ten day grace period expires

Andy Raffir wrote:
Don Kuenz wrote:
Until
then, it'd be nice to simply mount a 1803 ISO image and do an in-place
reversion/install with a couple of clicks.



Windows.old contained a lot more than a 1803 ISO image. Windows.old
contained a lot of your own settings and stuff, so that the rollback
could know how to put things back the way they were. The contents of
Windows.old are automatically deleted after 10 days.

The 1903 upgrade knew how to to do an in-place upgrade from 1803. The
1903 upgrade was created after 1803.

A 1803 ISO image was never designed to do an in-place downgrade from
1903. It was created before 1903 existed, and it would not know all the
changes to be put back.

If there were an in-place downgrade from 1903 to 1803, you would need a
separate program for it. You would get such a separate program from
Microsoft.

Microsoft has little or no incentive to provide a *free* such program to
let you downgrade. You might need to go to Microsoft with the same kind
of money that Uncle Sam did to get continued XP support.

Yes there is a 10 day rollback, but it exists for people who found the
1903 upgrade was incompatible with their hardware or software. These
people are expected to find this out within 10 days, before the contents
of Windows.old are automatically deleted. And the 10 day rollback relies
on your stuff in Windows.old which is not in the ISO image.


This procedure looks looks promising:

Manually Downgrade to an older release of Windows 10:

If its been more than 10 days since upgraded, you will need to manually
downgrade to your previous version of Windows 10.

Step 1: Download Windows 10 1607 - see instructions in the following
article how download and create a bootable copy:

Windows 10 Creators Update Version 1703 ISO Files Now Available for
Download

NOTE: If you need to downgrade to earlier versions of Windows 10 such
as 1511 or 1507, see instructions how to obtain those versions:
How to Download ISO Files or Reinstall Files for Older Versions of
Windows 10

Step 2: Perform a custom install:

* How to: Perform a custom installation of Windows

Step 3: Block the Creators Update and future releases from
automatically installing:
How to Block a Windows 10 Feature Update and Why You Might Need To

With Windows 10, it seems Microsoft has listened and has provided a
welcome option to its recovery tools to make it easy to uninstall
Windows 10 and go back to your previous version of Windows. This option
can be handy for diagnostics purposes, trial and error or to simply go
back to a previous version of Windows that works better with your PC.

Please keep in mind, this only works with Windows 7 and later. Because
prior versions of Windows such as Windows Vista and Windows XP can only
migrate to Windows 10 through a custom install, the command line
operations remain your best choice if you do decide to go back. Also
keep in mind, if you do a custom install over Windows 7 or later, the
Rollback option is not available. This only works if you had done an in
place upgrade from Windows 7 or later.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...8-64a226302657

Thank you, 73,

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There was a young lady named Bright Whose speed was far faster than light;
She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.

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Old August 3rd 19, 02:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Roll back 1903 after ten day grace period expires

On 02/08/2019 21:27, Andy Raffir wrote:
Yes there is a 10 day rollback, but it exists for people who found the
1903 upgrade was incompatible with their hardware or software. These
people are expected to find this out within 10 days, before the
contents of Windows.old are automatically deleted. And the 10 day
rollback relies on your stuff in Windows.old which is not in the ISO
image.


Where th **** did you get this 10 days time period. I have a machine
that has still got Windows.old since 30/05/2019. Are you looking for a
job with CNN to spread fake news? If the answer is yes then you are in
the wrong place. CNN HR don't hang around here.

A nym-shifter names such as Andy Raffir or Don Kuenz is the first sign
that we have been scammed. They are both the same people posting under
different names.

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Old August 3rd 19, 02:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Roll back 1903 after ten day grace period expires

On 03/08/2019 00:16, Don Kuenz wrote:
Andy Raffir wrote:
Don



Can you just **** off. You are a known nym-shifter whose previous name
was Arlen ****er Holden or whatever it was at that time.



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Old August 3rd 19, 04:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Roll back 1903 after ten day grace period expires

Don Kuenz wrote:
Andy Raffir wrote:
Don Kuenz wrote:
Until
then, it'd be nice to simply mount a 1803 ISO image and do an in-place
reversion/install with a couple of clicks.


Windows.old contained a lot more than a 1803 ISO image. Windows.old
contained a lot of your own settings and stuff, so that the rollback
could know how to put things back the way they were. The contents of
Windows.old are automatically deleted after 10 days.

The 1903 upgrade knew how to to do an in-place upgrade from 1803. The
1903 upgrade was created after 1803.

A 1803 ISO image was never designed to do an in-place downgrade from
1903. It was created before 1903 existed, and it would not know all the
changes to be put back.

If there were an in-place downgrade from 1903 to 1803, you would need a
separate program for it. You would get such a separate program from
Microsoft.

Microsoft has little or no incentive to provide a *free* such program to
let you downgrade. You might need to go to Microsoft with the same kind
of money that Uncle Sam did to get continued XP support.

Yes there is a 10 day rollback, but it exists for people who found the
1903 upgrade was incompatible with their hardware or software. These
people are expected to find this out within 10 days, before the contents
of Windows.old are automatically deleted. And the 10 day rollback relies
on your stuff in Windows.old which is not in the ISO image.


This procedure looks looks promising:

Manually Downgrade to an older release of Windows 10:

If its been more than 10 days since upgraded, you will need to manually
downgrade to your previous version of Windows 10.

Step 1: Download Windows 10 1607 - see instructions in the following
article how download and create a bootable copy:

Windows 10 Creators Update Version 1703 ISO Files Now Available for
Download

NOTE: If you need to downgrade to earlier versions of Windows 10 such
as 1511 or 1507, see instructions how to obtain those versions:
How to Download ISO Files or Reinstall Files for Older Versions of
Windows 10

Step 2: Perform a custom install:

* How to: Perform a custom installation of Windows

Step 3: Block the Creators Update and future releases from
automatically installing:
How to Block a Windows 10 Feature Update and Why You Might Need To

With Windows 10, it seems Microsoft has listened and has provided a
welcome option to its recovery tools to make it easy to uninstall
Windows 10 and go back to your previous version of Windows. This option
can be handy for diagnostics purposes, trial and error or to simply go
back to a previous version of Windows that works better with your PC.

Please keep in mind, this only works with Windows 7 and later. Because
prior versions of Windows such as Windows Vista and Windows XP can only
migrate to Windows 10 through a custom install, the command line
operations remain your best choice if you do decide to go back. Also
keep in mind, if you do a custom install over Windows 7 or later, the
Rollback option is not available. This only works if you had done an in
place upgrade from Windows 7 or later.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...8-64a226302657

Thank you, 73,


I hate to spoil a great plan, but Microsoft could
have a surprise waiting for you.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...5-026661f5c66d

This is why we do backups here, with products like
Macrium Reflect Free. There are a couple other products
available, which do the same and are free as well.

We pretty well expect 1903 to 1903 to work (a Repair Install).
Or 1809 to 1903 to work (an Upgrade Install).

Going backwards is a crapshoot. The upgrade advisor logic
will indicate your "fate".

You can use Heidoc if you need older media.

https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...-download-tool

Since it didn't respond for me, I used an archived copy
of Heidoc from yesterday.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190802...-download-tool

What the Heidoc tool does, is generate a Microsoft URL
so you can get media. The file does not come from the
Heidoc site. It comes from a Microsoft site or a
Microsoft CDN (content distribution network).

Paul
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Old August 3rd 19, 04:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Don Kuenz, KB7RPU
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Default Roll back 1903 after ten day grace period expires

Paul wrote:

snap

I hate to spoil a great plan, but Microsoft could
have a surprise waiting for you.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...5-026661f5c66d

This is why we do backups here, with products like
Macrium Reflect Free. There are a couple other products
available, which do the same and are free as well.

We pretty well expect 1903 to 1903 to work (a Repair Install).
Or 1809 to 1903 to work (an Upgrade Install).

Going backwards is a crapshoot. The upgrade advisor logic
will indicate your "fate".

You can use Heidoc if you need older media.

https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...-download-tool

Since it didn't respond for me, I used an archived copy
of Heidoc from yesterday.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190802...-download-tool

What the Heidoc tool does, is generate a Microsoft URL
so you can get media. The file does not come from the
Heidoc site. It comes from a Microsoft site or a
Microsoft CDN (content distribution network).


Lots of good information at your link. Fortunately, the SurfacePros,
laptops, and PCs at this particular client's clinic primary run
Electronic Medical Records fat binaries. User data resides on separate
servers. So, it's OK to flatten and reinstall the client workstations
with impunity. The Location of User Folders points to a handy server for
the relatively few power users.

Thank you, 73,

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She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.
Thank you, 73,

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  #13  
Old August 4th 19, 02:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Roll back 1903 after ten day grace period expires

Don Kuenz, KB7RPU wrote:

Short of a reinstall, what's the easiest, quickest way to roll
back 1903


Since you easily made backups using Macrium Reflect, you just restore
one of your backups?

Another solution is to stop frivolously upgrading your operating system
and use this Windows option...

Windows Update Advanced options Choose when updates are installed
Semi-Annual Channel (NOT "Targeted")

Stop messing around with your operating system, especially if you don't
know enough to have backups.
  #14  
Old August 4th 19, 02:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Roll back 1903 after ten day grace period expires

John Doe wrote:
Don Kuenz, KB7RPU wrote:

Short of a reinstall, what's the easiest, quickest way to roll
back 1903


Since you easily made backups using Macrium Reflect, you just restore
one of your backups?

Another solution is to stop frivolously upgrading your operating system
and use this Windows option...

Windows Update Advanced options Choose when updates are installed
Semi-Annual Channel (NOT "Targeted")

Stop messing around with your operating system, especially if you don't
know enough to have backups.


How many operating systems have you created, hot shot?
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Old August 4th 19, 02:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.spam
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Comparing this troll's posting history to its most recent comments
to me is interesting...

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John Doe wrote:
Don Kuenz, KB7RPU g crcomp.net wrote:

Short of a reinstall, what's the easiest, quickest way to roll
back 1903


Since you easily made backups using Macrium Reflect, you just restore
one of your backups?

Another solution is to stop frivolously upgrading your operating system
and use this Windows option...

Windows Update Advanced options Choose when updates are installed
Semi-Annual Channel (NOT "Targeted")

Stop messing around with your operating system, especially if you don't
know enough to have backups.


How many operating systems have you created, hot shot?



 




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