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  #31  
Old December 27th 03, 11:37 AM
John B
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Ken Blake, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

"ultrum" wrote in message
om...

I seriously doubt there are 1 million XP users.



There are *far* far more. Here's an old article, dated November
11, 2001: "Sales of Windows XP Exceed 7 Million Copies Within
Weeks of Worldwide Debut"

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/P...XPComdexPR.asp

--
Ken Blake


That holds absolutely no water. That's the number of copies sold to OEM's and
retailers. There's no way anyone can say there are *actually* that many people
*running* XPee. It's just ridiculous to think or believe M$ or anyone else
knows how many people own it, just as it's impossible to know how many 'tried'
it and returned it or just removed it off their system and sold it.

John
--
When the next door neighbor allows his pit bull to roam freely I bring the
grandkids in the house. I have no evidence that the dog will attack the
children. But, based on a pit bull's reputation, I don't trust the dog.
That's not paranoia. That's protecting what's important to you.
(Cooter, in an GRC NG, covering a thread about trusting M$)
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  #32  
Old December 27th 03, 11:38 AM
Jim Macklin
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Since XP has to be activated, they can count the number of
machines using update.


"John B" wrote in message
news:3043357.d6urIFn8oQ@Buy_me_a_shrubbery_or_I_wi ll_say_NI!_to_you!.com...
| Ken Blake, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end
of the pen to use,
| wrote:
|
| "ultrum" wrote in message
| om...
|
| I seriously doubt there are 1 million XP users.
|
|
| There are *far* far more. Here's an old article, dated
November
| 11, 2001: "Sales of Windows XP Exceed 7 Million Copies
Within
| Weeks of Worldwide Debut"
|
|
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/P...XPComdexPR.asp
|
| --
| Ken Blake
|
| That holds absolutely no water. That's the number of
copies sold to OEM's and
| retailers. There's no way anyone can say there are
*actually* that many people
| *running* XPee. It's just ridiculous to think or believe
M$ or anyone else
| knows how many people own it, just as it's impossible to
know how many 'tried'
| it and returned it or just removed it off their system and
sold it.
|
| John
| --
| When the next door neighbor allows his pit bull to roam
freely I bring the
| grandkids in the house. I have no evidence that the dog
will attack the
| children. But, based on a pit bull's reputation, I don't
trust the dog.
| That's not paranoia. That's protecting what's important to
you.
| (Cooter, in an GRC NG, covering a thread about trusting
M$)


  #33  
Old December 27th 03, 11:39 AM
Michael Beardsley
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:57:06 -0500, Jim Macklin wrote:

Ha, ha! That's pretty good!

Do you hire yourself out for parties and other places where stand-up might
come in handy?

Since XP has to be activated, they can count the number of
machines using update.


"John B" wrote in message
news:3043357.d6urIFn8oQ@Buy_me_a_shrubbery_or_I_wi ll_say_NI!_to_you!.com...
| Ken Blake, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end
of the pen to use,
| wrote:
|
| "ultrum" wrote in message
| om...
|
| I seriously doubt there are 1 million XP users.
|
|
| There are *far* far more. Here's an old article, dated
November
| 11, 2001: "Sales of Windows XP Exceed 7 Million Copies
Within
| Weeks of Worldwide Debut"
|
|
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/P...XPComdexPR.asp
|
| --
| Ken Blake
|
| That holds absolutely no water. That's the number of
copies sold to OEM's and
| retailers. There's no way anyone can say there are
*actually* that many people
| *running* XPee. It's just ridiculous to think or believe
M$ or anyone else
| knows how many people own it, just as it's impossible to
know how many 'tried'
| it and returned it or just removed it off their system and
sold it.
|
| John
| --
| When the next door neighbor allows his pit bull to roam
freely I bring the
| grandkids in the house. I have no evidence that the dog
will attack the
| children. But, based on a pit bull's reputation, I don't
trust the dog.
| That's not paranoia. That's protecting what's important to
you.
| (Cooter, in an GRC NG, covering a thread about trusting
M$)


  #34  
Old December 27th 03, 11:39 AM
Michael Beardsley
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:26:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

"ultrum" wrote in message
om...

I seriously doubt there are 1 million XP users.



There are *far* far more. Here's an old article, dated November
11, 2001: "Sales of Windows XP Exceed 7 Million Copies Within
Weeks of Worldwide Debut"

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/P...XPComdexPR.asp


......say the cows as they're led to the slaughter.

Here's how it works. There are store shelves and there are OEMs. MS ships
products out to store shelves, and they get information from OEMs. What
gets reported is how many are out there. That doesn't translate to how many
are in use. What translates into an in-use number is sales from retailers,
including OEMs, how many don't get wiped off of the drives, how many get
installed multiple times, how many machines are carrying corporate
versions installed numerous times, how many pirated copies are used and a
whole host of other items that are usually figured in.

Unfortunately, OEM numbers aren't wholly reliable either. There are people
who bought machines and installed 2K Pro/Server. There are people who
bought machines and installed other things, like Linux, BSD and even older
versions of Windows.

The only thing the above link really reported was how many they wanted to
say were sold. It is not now, nor was it then, possible to know how many
are being used, including illegal copies, corporate installations, copies
lost or stolen or burned in building fires.

This isn't unique in this situation, though. They all pad their numbers to
impress stockholders and push prices of stocks up so they can sell their
own holdings off for larger amounts.

  #35  
Old December 27th 03, 11:39 AM
Michael Beardsley
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:27:02 -0500, Jim Macklin wrote:

I would expect that the world-wide base for XP (home and pro) is in the
tens of millions.


Based on what facts? I have an opinion of my own. Mine says yours is
wrong. Prove that I'm not right.

Since 95% of the computers sold in the past two years have had XP
installed as sold, and many older computers have been upgraded....


Where did this 95% come from? Is that your expectation, too? Or do you
keep track of such things and have everybody forward their statistics to
you?

How many were built by the owners and something else put on them? How many
were built by small shops with either XP or something else entirely?

If you can't provide the numbers for the last two questions, how can you
hope to provide anything accurate on the 95% claim?

Since MS requires activation for XP they sell, and OEMs may activate in
their systems, they can probably give a count exactly.


How many have done something along the lines of the following?

http://microscum.kurttrail.com/mmpafaq/mmpafaq.htm

How many are using corporate copies, legally or illegally, that don't
require activation? How many are using pirated copies and still getting
away with it? How many are using pirated copies and not getting updates
nor registering?

That last part would seem to up the numbers you claim. Perhaps it does.
But it's also possible they're lower than you claim.

How many of the activations were reinstalls? How many were caused by
hardware upgrades that required reactivation? How many were reactivated
because a borked hard drive made people lose everything?

I doubt Microsoft wants to give the numbers based solely on activation. If
they do that the numbers won't look as good as they can get if they also
"estimate" corporate installations and others. If they make up those
numbers, what's to stop them from padding the others? It could even be
claimed to be an honest mistake because some people have had to activate
more than once or twice. They could be counted multiple times because of
that. Nobody will know, and if they ever find out it will be easy enough
to explain away.

In fact, they made impossible claims from the beginning, so any numbers
they provide are suspect for all time.

That has nothing to do with whether there are 1 million or 1 billion. The
simple fact is any number not provided by Microsoft is a guess, and any
number provided by Microsoft can't be trusted.

  #36  
Old December 27th 03, 11:39 AM
ultrum
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We sidestepped the main issue here.

After putting lots of effort and time into this,
I decided WinXP is not worthed for the hassle.
Win98 is better suited for "my" daily use. I will
be using WinXP only for video editing, since I
need a big partition.

Thanks for all the feedback.
  #37  
Old December 27th 03, 11:40 AM
Mike Mulligan
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You have to choose what you think is best for yourself. Do you understand
that Microsoft will not be supporting Windows 98 after next January? That
means no bug fixes, no security updates and no more articles in the
Knowledgw Base. Also, if your computer is newer, say 2001 or later, Windows
98 may not have drivers for your hardware, and there is no guarantee that
hardware vendors will support an operating system that is three generations
old.

Mike Mulligan

"ultrum" wrote in message
om...
We sidestepped the main issue here.

After putting lots of effort and time into this,
I decided WinXP is not worthed for the hassle.
Win98 is better suited for "my" daily use. I will
be using WinXP only for video editing, since I
need a big partition.

Thanks for all the feedback.


  #38  
Old December 27th 03, 11:41 AM
John B
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Default Minimum services required to run Windows XP

Mike Mulligan, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to
use, wrote:

You have to choose what you think is best for yourself. Do you understand
that Microsoft will not be supporting Windows 98 after next January? That
means no bug fixes, no security updates and no more articles in the
Knowledgw Base.


snip

Mike Mulligan


Wrong. Go to the link, almost to the bottom of the page.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycleconsumer.mspx

John
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Old December 27th 03, 11:41 AM
Anando [MS-MVP]
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Ultrum,
This article can be of help to you:

http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article...,111121,00.asp

--
Anando
Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP
Know more about the MVP program- http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
Indian MVPs- http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx


"ultrum" wrote in message
om...
We sidestepped the main issue here.

After putting lots of effort and time into this,
I decided WinXP is not worthed for the hassle.
Win98 is better suited for "my" daily use. I will
be using WinXP only for video editing, since I
need a big partition.

Thanks for all the feedback.



 




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