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Minimum services required to run Windows XP
Ken Blake, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote: "ultrum" wrote in message om... I seriously doubt there are 1 million XP users. There are *far* far more. Here's an old article, dated November 11, 2001: "Sales of Windows XP Exceed 7 Million Copies Within Weeks of Worldwide Debut" http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/P...XPComdexPR.asp -- Ken Blake That holds absolutely no water. That's the number of copies sold to OEM's and retailers. There's no way anyone can say there are *actually* that many people *running* XPee. It's just ridiculous to think or believe M$ or anyone else knows how many people own it, just as it's impossible to know how many 'tried' it and returned it or just removed it off their system and sold it. John -- When the next door neighbor allows his pit bull to roam freely I bring the grandkids in the house. I have no evidence that the dog will attack the children. But, based on a pit bull's reputation, I don't trust the dog. That's not paranoia. That's protecting what's important to you. (Cooter, in an GRC NG, covering a thread about trusting M$) |
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Minimum services required to run Windows XP
Since XP has to be activated, they can count the number of
machines using update. "John B" wrote in message news:3043357.d6urIFn8oQ@Buy_me_a_shrubbery_or_I_wi ll_say_NI!_to_you!.com... | Ken Blake, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use, | wrote: | | "ultrum" wrote in message | om... | | I seriously doubt there are 1 million XP users. | | | There are *far* far more. Here's an old article, dated November | 11, 2001: "Sales of Windows XP Exceed 7 Million Copies Within | Weeks of Worldwide Debut" | | http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/P...XPComdexPR.asp | | -- | Ken Blake | | That holds absolutely no water. That's the number of copies sold to OEM's and | retailers. There's no way anyone can say there are *actually* that many people | *running* XPee. It's just ridiculous to think or believe M$ or anyone else | knows how many people own it, just as it's impossible to know how many 'tried' | it and returned it or just removed it off their system and sold it. | | John | -- | When the next door neighbor allows his pit bull to roam freely I bring the | grandkids in the house. I have no evidence that the dog will attack the | children. But, based on a pit bull's reputation, I don't trust the dog. | That's not paranoia. That's protecting what's important to you. | (Cooter, in an GRC NG, covering a thread about trusting M$) |
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Minimum services required to run Windows XP
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:57:06 -0500, Jim Macklin wrote:
Ha, ha! That's pretty good! Do you hire yourself out for parties and other places where stand-up might come in handy? Since XP has to be activated, they can count the number of machines using update. "John B" wrote in message news:3043357.d6urIFn8oQ@Buy_me_a_shrubbery_or_I_wi ll_say_NI!_to_you!.com... | Ken Blake, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use, | wrote: | | "ultrum" wrote in message | om... | | I seriously doubt there are 1 million XP users. | | | There are *far* far more. Here's an old article, dated November | 11, 2001: "Sales of Windows XP Exceed 7 Million Copies Within | Weeks of Worldwide Debut" | | http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/P...XPComdexPR.asp | | -- | Ken Blake | | That holds absolutely no water. That's the number of copies sold to OEM's and | retailers. There's no way anyone can say there are *actually* that many people | *running* XPee. It's just ridiculous to think or believe M$ or anyone else | knows how many people own it, just as it's impossible to know how many 'tried' | it and returned it or just removed it off their system and sold it. | | John | -- | When the next door neighbor allows his pit bull to roam freely I bring the | grandkids in the house. I have no evidence that the dog will attack the | children. But, based on a pit bull's reputation, I don't trust the dog. | That's not paranoia. That's protecting what's important to you. | (Cooter, in an GRC NG, covering a thread about trusting M$) |
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Minimum services required to run Windows XP
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:26:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
"ultrum" wrote in message om... I seriously doubt there are 1 million XP users. There are *far* far more. Here's an old article, dated November 11, 2001: "Sales of Windows XP Exceed 7 Million Copies Within Weeks of Worldwide Debut" http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/P...XPComdexPR.asp ......say the cows as they're led to the slaughter. Here's how it works. There are store shelves and there are OEMs. MS ships products out to store shelves, and they get information from OEMs. What gets reported is how many are out there. That doesn't translate to how many are in use. What translates into an in-use number is sales from retailers, including OEMs, how many don't get wiped off of the drives, how many get installed multiple times, how many machines are carrying corporate versions installed numerous times, how many pirated copies are used and a whole host of other items that are usually figured in. Unfortunately, OEM numbers aren't wholly reliable either. There are people who bought machines and installed 2K Pro/Server. There are people who bought machines and installed other things, like Linux, BSD and even older versions of Windows. The only thing the above link really reported was how many they wanted to say were sold. It is not now, nor was it then, possible to know how many are being used, including illegal copies, corporate installations, copies lost or stolen or burned in building fires. This isn't unique in this situation, though. They all pad their numbers to impress stockholders and push prices of stocks up so they can sell their own holdings off for larger amounts. |
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Minimum services required to run Windows XP
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:27:02 -0500, Jim Macklin wrote:
I would expect that the world-wide base for XP (home and pro) is in the tens of millions. Based on what facts? I have an opinion of my own. Mine says yours is wrong. Prove that I'm not right. Since 95% of the computers sold in the past two years have had XP installed as sold, and many older computers have been upgraded.... Where did this 95% come from? Is that your expectation, too? Or do you keep track of such things and have everybody forward their statistics to you? How many were built by the owners and something else put on them? How many were built by small shops with either XP or something else entirely? If you can't provide the numbers for the last two questions, how can you hope to provide anything accurate on the 95% claim? Since MS requires activation for XP they sell, and OEMs may activate in their systems, they can probably give a count exactly. How many have done something along the lines of the following? http://microscum.kurttrail.com/mmpafaq/mmpafaq.htm How many are using corporate copies, legally or illegally, that don't require activation? How many are using pirated copies and still getting away with it? How many are using pirated copies and not getting updates nor registering? That last part would seem to up the numbers you claim. Perhaps it does. But it's also possible they're lower than you claim. How many of the activations were reinstalls? How many were caused by hardware upgrades that required reactivation? How many were reactivated because a borked hard drive made people lose everything? I doubt Microsoft wants to give the numbers based solely on activation. If they do that the numbers won't look as good as they can get if they also "estimate" corporate installations and others. If they make up those numbers, what's to stop them from padding the others? It could even be claimed to be an honest mistake because some people have had to activate more than once or twice. They could be counted multiple times because of that. Nobody will know, and if they ever find out it will be easy enough to explain away. In fact, they made impossible claims from the beginning, so any numbers they provide are suspect for all time. That has nothing to do with whether there are 1 million or 1 billion. The simple fact is any number not provided by Microsoft is a guess, and any number provided by Microsoft can't be trusted. |
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Minimum services required to run Windows XP
We sidestepped the main issue here.
After putting lots of effort and time into this, I decided WinXP is not worthed for the hassle. Win98 is better suited for "my" daily use. I will be using WinXP only for video editing, since I need a big partition. Thanks for all the feedback. |
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Minimum services required to run Windows XP
You have to choose what you think is best for yourself. Do you understand
that Microsoft will not be supporting Windows 98 after next January? That means no bug fixes, no security updates and no more articles in the Knowledgw Base. Also, if your computer is newer, say 2001 or later, Windows 98 may not have drivers for your hardware, and there is no guarantee that hardware vendors will support an operating system that is three generations old. Mike Mulligan "ultrum" wrote in message om... We sidestepped the main issue here. After putting lots of effort and time into this, I decided WinXP is not worthed for the hassle. Win98 is better suited for "my" daily use. I will be using WinXP only for video editing, since I need a big partition. Thanks for all the feedback. |
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Minimum services required to run Windows XP
Mike Mulligan, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to
use, wrote: You have to choose what you think is best for yourself. Do you understand that Microsoft will not be supporting Windows 98 after next January? That means no bug fixes, no security updates and no more articles in the Knowledgw Base. snip Mike Mulligan Wrong. Go to the link, almost to the bottom of the page. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycleconsumer.mspx John -- http://microscum.kurttrail.com/mmpafaq/mmpafaq.htm http://kadaitcha.ath.cx/ |
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Minimum services required to run Windows XP
Ultrum,
This article can be of help to you: http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article...,111121,00.asp -- Anando Microsoft-MVP for Windows XP Know more about the MVP program- http://mvp.support.microsoft.com Indian MVPs- http://www.microsoft.com/india/mvp/indiamvp.aspx "ultrum" wrote in message om... We sidestepped the main issue here. After putting lots of effort and time into this, I decided WinXP is not worthed for the hassle. Win98 is better suited for "my" daily use. I will be using WinXP only for video editing, since I need a big partition. Thanks for all the feedback. |
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