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Old December 10th 18, 10:44 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
JBI
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Default reverse image search utility, for 7/10?

Just what it says, I'm trying to find something portable and free that
would do a search of my hard drive the way Google does, where an input
image is given and then the search finds the same or similar images.
Thanks!
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Old December 10th 18, 01:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Big Al[_5_]
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Default reverse image search utility, for 7/10?

On 12/10/18 4:44 AM, JBI wrote:
Just what it says, I'm trying to find something portable and free that
would do a search of my hard drive the way Google does, where an input
image is given and then the search finds the same or similar images.
Thanks!

Now that would be cool. I know I have duplicates under different names.
You say "or similar", I'd just like to find a binary duplicate.

Al
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Old December 10th 18, 03:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
JBI
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Default reverse image search utility, for 7/10?

On 12/10/18 7:53 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 12/10/18 4:44 AM, JBI wrote:
Just what it says, I'm trying to find something portable and free that
would do a search of my hard drive the way Google does, where an input
image is given and then the search finds the same or similar images.
Thanks!

Now that would be cool.Â*Â* I know I have duplicates under different names.
You say "or similar", I'd just like to find a binary duplicate.

Al


Actually, I believe I can answer that for a change. During my search, I
tried out VisiPics and it does just what you describe. Brought out many
duplicates. It actually does seem to somewhat work for what I'm looking
for, but I was hoping for something a bit more efficient. Right now, I
am trying out another program called Find.Same.Images.OK. It is
currently scanning the hard drive and will wait and see how it goes.
  #4  
Old December 10th 18, 03:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
😉 Good Guy 😉
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Default reverse image search utility, for 7/10?

On 10/12/2018 09:44, JBI wrote:
Just what it says, I'm trying to find something portable and free that
would do a search of my hard drive the way Google does, where an input
image is given and then the search finds the same or similar images.
Thanks!



You have heard of Google but you don't seem to know how to use it. Is
this so?

https://www.google.com/search?q=duplicate+images+finder&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b

It is still free so please use it before asking stupid questions here.
We don't support Linux junkies on Windows newsgroups. they are superior
to all of us here but they still like to ask us before using their
brains to do the research for themselves.

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Old December 10th 18, 03:55 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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Default reverse image search utility, for 7/10?


"JBI" wrote

| Right now, I
| am trying out another program called Find.Same.Images.OK. It is
| currently scanning the hard drive and will wait and see how it goes.

Someone else will probably have better info than I
do, but I've seen people in the photo group talk
about what you want. My impression is that most
of them use "asset management" software and that
the software can find similar photos.

Asset management refers to the trend, started by
Picasa, I think, of assuming that people don't really know
how to use the file system. So Picasa would find all
images and make them available without needing to
use Windows Explorer.
(Turns out they were right. Most people don't
know how to use a file system like Exporer. Picasa
was a big hit.)

My impression is that this asset management software
has matured and can do things like finding EXIF data,
similar images, etc. I'm sorry I can't give you a link,
but that's all I know. If someone doesn't answer here
then try the photo group.


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Old December 10th 18, 04:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default reverse image search utility, for 7/10?

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 07:53:44 -0500, Big Al wrote:

On 12/10/18 4:44 AM, JBI wrote:
Just what it says, I'm trying to find something portable and free that
would do a search of my hard drive the way Google does, where an input
image is given and then the search finds the same or similar images.
Thanks!

Now that would be cool. I know I have duplicates under different names.
You say "or similar", I'd just like to find a binary duplicate.



Sorry, although there probably are such programs available, I have no
experience with any and can't name one. I just wanted to point out
that running such a program--searching an entire drive to look for an
exact match--would have to be very time-consuming.
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Old December 10th 18, 05:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default reverse image search utility, for 7/10?

In message , Big Al
writes:
On 12/10/18 4:44 AM, JBI wrote:
Just what it says, I'm trying to find something portable and free
that would do a search of my hard drive the way Google does, where an
input image is given and then the search finds the same or similar
images. Thanks!

Now that would be cool. I know I have duplicates under different names.
You say "or similar", I'd just like to find a binary duplicate.

Al


I've found "Duplicate Image Finder", by Runningman software, works well:
you can set the percentage similarity you wish, including 100%. However,
this seems to have disappeared. I await with interest the results that
another poster in this thread reports from several other utilities that
person has found.

For binary duplicates, _if_ you know one filename, using the
"Everything" search utility, with no name specified, highlighting the
file, then sorting the result by the size column, will list files of
identical size adjacent to the highlighted one, so that their names and
locations can be seen, and then compared (if only with "fc /b").

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Old December 10th 18, 05:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Big Al[_5_]
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Default reverse image search utility, for 7/10?

On 12/10/18 9:25 AM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 10/12/2018 09:44, JBI wrote:
Just what it says, I'm trying to find something portable and free that
would do a search of my hard drive the way Google does, where an input
image is given and then the search finds the same or similar images.
Thanks!



You have heard of Google but you don't seem to know how to use it. Is
this so?

https://www.google.com/search?q=duplicate+images+finder&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b

It is still free so please use it before asking stupid questions here.
We don't support Linux junkies on Windows newsgroups.Â* they are superior
to all of us here but they still like to ask us before using their
brains to do the research for themselves.

You really do generalize don't you!
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Old December 10th 18, 05:35 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default reverse image search utility, for 7/10?

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:09:08 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Big Al
writes:
On 12/10/18 4:44 AM, JBI wrote:
Just what it says, I'm trying to find something portable and free
that would do a search of my hard drive the way Google does, where an
input image is given and then the search finds the same or similar
images. Thanks!

Now that would be cool. I know I have duplicates under different names.
You say "or similar", I'd just like to find a binary duplicate.

Al


I've found "Duplicate Image Finder", by Runningman software, works well:
you can set the percentage similarity you wish, including 100%. However,
this seems to have disappeared. I await with interest the results that
another poster in this thread reports from several other utilities that
person has found.

For binary duplicates, _if_ you know one filename, using the
"Everything" search utility, with no name specified, highlighting the
file, then sorting the result by the size column, will list files of
identical size adjacent to the highlighted one, so that their names and
locations can be seen, and then compared (if only with "fc /b").




A very good suggestion. That has to be *much* faster than comparing a
file with every other file on the drive, bit by bit.

On the other hand, perhaps a good duplicate finding program would
begin by doing the same kind of thing. I hadn't thought of that when I
posted my earlier message in this thread.
  #10  
Old December 10th 18, 05:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Big Al[_5_]
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Default reverse image search utility, for 7/10?

On 12/10/18 11:35 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:09:08 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Big Al
writes:
On 12/10/18 4:44 AM, JBI wrote:
Just what it says, I'm trying to find something portable and free
that would do a search of my hard drive the way Google does, where an
input image is given and then the search finds the same or similar
images. Thanks!
Now that would be cool. I know I have duplicates under different names.
You say "or similar", I'd just like to find a binary duplicate.

Al


I've found "Duplicate Image Finder", by Runningman software, works well:
you can set the percentage similarity you wish, including 100%. However,
this seems to have disappeared. I await with interest the results that
another poster in this thread reports from several other utilities that
person has found.

For binary duplicates, _if_ you know one filename, using the
"Everything" search utility, with no name specified, highlighting the
file, then sorting the result by the size column, will list files of
identical size adjacent to the highlighted one, so that their names and
locations can be seen, and then compared (if only with "fc /b").




A very good suggestion. That has to be *much* faster than comparing a
file with every other file on the drive, bit by bit.

On the other hand, perhaps a good duplicate finding program would
begin by doing the same kind of thing. I hadn't thought of that when I
posted my earlier message in this thread.

And now that you say this, I do remember a 'find dupes' type of program
that had adjustments you could set as to how it find dupes. I think
size was one, and turn off name was another. That might have worked if
I remembered the program grin.

Al
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Old December 10th 18, 05:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default reverse image search utility, for 7/10?

In message , Big Al
writes:
On 12/10/18 11:35 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:09:08 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

[]
For binary duplicates, _if_ you know one filename, using the
"Everything" search utility, with no name specified, highlighting the
file, then sorting the result by the size column, will list files of
identical size adjacent to the highlighted one, so that their names and
locations can be seen, and then compared (if only with "fc /b").

A very good suggestion. That has to be *much* faster than
comparing a
file with every other file on the drive, bit by bit.


Well, it's worth remembering that identical files tend to have identical
sizes (-:! [Though it's possible for _image_ files to have identical
_image_ data and _not_ be of identical size - different comment data,
for example. Though the size would usually be _similar_ enough that the
above "Everything" search might still have them _nearby_.]

On the other hand, perhaps a good duplicate finding program would
begin by doing the same kind of thing. I hadn't thought of that when I
posted my earlier message in this thread.


Specifically on images, Runningman's duplicate image finder did also
allow you to compare images of different sizes (number of pixels) and
formats (e. g. GIF/JPEG), and I think even 90 degree rotations.

And now that you say this, I do remember a 'find dupes' type of program
that had adjustments you could set as to how it find dupes. I think
size was one, and turn off name was another. That might have worked
if I remembered the program grin.


David Taylor's FindDup http://www.satsignal.eu/software/disk.html? That
certainly had the option to turn off name, and also ignore 0 size files.
(It isn't an image one, though.)

Al

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Old December 10th 18, 07:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Sjouke Burry[_2_]
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Default reverse image search utility, for 7/10?

On 10-12-2018 13:53, Big Al wrote:
On 12/10/18 4:44 AM, JBI wrote:
Just what it says, I'm trying to find something portable and free that
would do a search of my hard drive the way Google does, where an input
image is given and then the search finds the same or similar images.
Thanks!

Now that would be cool. I know I have duplicates under different names.
You say "or similar", I'd just like to find a binary duplicate.

Al

Google for doublekiller, it works quite well for me.
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Old December 10th 18, 08:50 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:09:08 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Big Al
writes:
On 12/10/18 4:44 AM, JBI wrote:
Just what it says, I'm trying to find something portable and free
that would do a search of my hard drive the way Google does, where an
input image is given and then the search finds the same or similar
images. Thanks!
Now that would be cool. I know I have duplicates under different names.
You say "or similar", I'd just like to find a binary duplicate.

Al

I've found "Duplicate Image Finder", by Runningman software, works well:
you can set the percentage similarity you wish, including 100%. However,
this seems to have disappeared. I await with interest the results that
another poster in this thread reports from several other utilities that
person has found.

For binary duplicates, _if_ you know one filename, using the
"Everything" search utility, with no name specified, highlighting the
file, then sorting the result by the size column, will list files of
identical size adjacent to the highlighted one, so that their names and
locations can be seen, and then compared (if only with "fc /b").




A very good suggestion. That has to be *much* faster than comparing a
file with every other file on the drive, bit by bit.

On the other hand, perhaps a good duplicate finding program would
begin by doing the same kind of thing. I hadn't thought of that when I
posted my earlier message in this thread.


They do make some pretty strange software.

http://www.mindgems.com/products/VS-...SDIF-About.htm

This is similar to what the image upload Google finder
was *supposed* to do. It pretends to compute a "percentage
of similarity" and notice it's not doing autocorrelation.
It almost seems like a crude classifier.

http://www.mindgems.com/products/VS-...tae_images.png

When I tested it, the Google one was terrible. And it's
a "hard" problem, so I'm not faulting them for this. No
matter what approach you use, it simply won't do a good
job on all possible inputs.

*******

"Duplicate files", where the MD5 of the files must be
exact, to detect a duplicate, that's an O(n) problem.
The detecting similar images can be O(n) or O(n^2),
depending on how you attempt to do it.

I can't find it now, but I did have a heuristic program
that computes a signature for each photo, and you compare
"how many bits are different" between two photo signatures,
to tell whether they're similar. And that one was O(n).
It could easily produce false positives, and isn't intended
for the "flower" problem above. You'll notice the "flower"
example is much more tolerant (whatever the method is).

Paul
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Old December 10th 18, 09:00 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Paul wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:09:08 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Big Al
writes:
On 12/10/18 4:44 AM, JBI wrote:
Just what it says, I'm trying to find something portable and free
that would do a search of my hard drive the way Google does, where
an input image is given and then the search finds the same or
similar images. Thanks!
Now that would be cool. I know I have duplicates under different
names.
You say "or similar", I'd just like to find a binary duplicate.

Al
I've found "Duplicate Image Finder", by Runningman software, works
well: you can set the percentage similarity you wish, including 100%.
However, this seems to have disappeared. I await with interest the
results that another poster in this thread reports from several other
utilities that person has found.

For binary duplicates, _if_ you know one filename, using the
"Everything" search utility, with no name specified, highlighting the
file, then sorting the result by the size column, will list files of
identical size adjacent to the highlighted one, so that their names
and locations can be seen, and then compared (if only with "fc /b").




A very good suggestion. That has to be *much* faster than comparing a
file with every other file on the drive, bit by bit.

On the other hand, perhaps a good duplicate finding program would
begin by doing the same kind of thing. I hadn't thought of that when I
posted my earlier message in this thread.


One of the methods, is called the Haar algorithm. O(n).
It's possible that's the code I tried out.

https://photo.stackexchange.com/ques...te-image-files

"using a special technique (Haar algorithm) that makes it
possible to compare images by comparing this calculated signature.

The less numerical difference there is between any two
image signatures, the more they resemble each other."

So if two image signatures are like this, they're "exact",
which means they're kinda close, and not exact in the
way a banker or accountant would consider them.

110110
110110

If the images differ in one bit, they're a less exact match

111110
110110 less exact

You set the "number of bits difference" as a measure of
how far off an image can be, before you select it for
human appraisal.

And it's O(n) because you only compute the "110110"
thing once, then do a quick O(n^2) when comparing
the six bit values to one another.

The program I had, might have produced a 32 bit wide
number or so. The six bits above is just to demonstrate
how it works.

The program I had, said it was "tuned" for small pictures.
It was working at 1024x768. If you fed it 1280x1024,
it would scale the image first, before the computation.
If you fed in a 4000x3000 picture, the signature then
would not be as accurate perhaps. Lots of details
would be missing because of the tuning.

Paul
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Old December 11th 18, 03:21 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mandy Liefbowitz
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Default reverse image search utility, for 7/10?

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 09:23:34 -0500, JBI wrote:

On 12/10/18 7:53 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 12/10/18 4:44 AM, JBI wrote:
Just what it says, I'm trying to find something portable and free that
would do a search of my hard drive the way Google does, where an input
image is given and then the search finds the same or similar images.
Thanks!

Now that would be cool.** I know I have duplicates under different names.
You say "or similar", I'd just like to find a binary duplicate.

Al


Actually, I believe I can answer that for a change. During my search, I
tried out VisiPics


Which has a Wiki at
http://www.visipics.info/index.php?title=Main_Page


and it does just what you describe. Brought out many
duplicates. It actually does seem to somewhat work for what I'm looking
for, but I was hoping for something a bit more efficient. Right now, I
am trying out another program called Find.Same.Images.OK.


From these guys: (or this guy?) http://www.softwareok.com
his download page is at: http://www.softwareok.com/?Download and has
loads of goodies. The direct linky to the recent version of FSIOK is
at: http://www.softwareok.com/?Download=Find.Same.Images.OK


It is
currently scanning the hard drive and will wait and see how it goes.


It is *easy* to provide linkies to programs you recommend to save us
from having to search for them.
True, it costs *you* a search but it saves us from doing hundreds,
maybe thousands of them.

And it's polite.
Mand.
 




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