Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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"john" wrote in message
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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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"john" wrote in message
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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs
will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major
computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer
runs second to making money..


exactly, same goes for Microsoft.




And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..

glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service to
the customer runs second to making money.



Without the making of money, there would be no service, no development,
nada..

Linux is offered free on the back of other money making enterprises..

Do NOT accredit me with words that are not mine..

you took my statement and added "And..."
that generally means in addition to.
sounded like an agreement to me.

On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:32:22 -0400, "john" wrote:


"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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"john" wrote in message
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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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"john" wrote in message
...

"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...

Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs
will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major
computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer
runs second to making money..


exactly, same goes for Microsoft.




And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..

glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service to
the customer runs second to making money.



Without the making of money, there would be no service, no development,
nada..

Linux is offered free on the back of other money making enterprises..

Do NOT accredit me with words that are not mine..

you took my statement and added "And..."
that generally means in addition to.
sounded like an agreement to me.


Always fun to watch Mike Hall try to wiggle out of what he said.

Memo to Mike Hall:

The word 'and' is intended to indicate some connection or additions to
what was previously said. Often used to express logical modification,
some consequence or supplementary explanation to another. May be used
to form a conjunction, list more of the same or of a similar kind.

Always amusing to see the Microsoft fateful exclude Microsoft from
what they admit are a laundry list of sins of other software
companies, software/hardware retailers etc., when everybody knows
Microsoft is the biggest offender when it comes to poor service,
crappy always buggy products and attempts to bully and be the 800
pound gorilla in the room.

You see Mike, that MVP badge you so love to flash around looks pretty
tarnished when you always excuse Microsoft no matter what pretending
they are guiltless, like a good little fanboy is suppose to do.

Tim Slattery wrote:
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with
over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

Yes but....there's an article in the Washington Post this morning
about how the digital over-the-air signals are not as robust as analog
signals. Somebody who gets acceptable over-the-air analog reception
might not do so well with digital signals.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...=moreheadlines


It is that digital signals are more picky about the signal quality. You
will need a higher signal strength to get a respectable digital signal
otherwise you will get a pretty bad picture.


--
Robert Pendell


"A perfect world is one of chaos."

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jim wrote:
As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right out
of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the tone
for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's
$200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course).

Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations are
set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy
treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad.

As reported on CNET
(http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-994...?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy has
been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready for the
February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals) televisions
without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets will
not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional digital
converter.

That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work for
less than a year without the new digital signal converters.

Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on
people's PCs.

jim



This applies to over the air signals only. If you use any other source
for the signal then they are fine.

--
Robert Pendell


"A perfect world is one of chaos."

Thawte Web of Trust Notary
CAcert Assurer

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
"john" wrote in message
...

"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...

Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the
TVs will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other
major computer stores have little integrity, and service to the
customer runs second to making money..


exactly, same goes for Microsoft.




And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..


Not all of them.

--
Robert Pendell


"A perfect world is one of chaos."

Thawte Web of Trust Notary
CAcert Assurer

"Tim Slattery" wrote in message
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"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with
over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

Yes but....there's an article in the Washington Post this morning
about how the digital over-the-air signals are not as robust as analog
signals. Somebody who gets acceptable over-the-air analog reception
might not do so well with digital signals.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...=moreheadlines

--
Tim Slattery
MS MVP(Shell/User)

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
Perhaps that is correct for some sets in some localities. However, my TV
receives both analog and digital signals. The only difference I see is that
the digital signals are sharper and have better colors.

Jim

The date and time was 5/20/2008 10:32 AM, and on a whim, Jim pounded out
on the keyboard:

"Tim Slattery" wrote in message
...
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with
over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.
Yes but....there's an article in the Washington Post this morning
about how the digital over-the-air signals are not as robust as analog
signals. Somebody who gets acceptable over-the-air analog reception
might not do so well with digital signals.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...=moreheadlines

--
Tim Slattery
MS MVP(Shell/User)

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
Perhaps that is correct for some sets in some localities. However, my TV
receives both analog and digital signals. The only difference I see is that
the digital signals are sharper and have better colors.

Jim



Those living in the boonies will suffer the most probably. Since analog
gives varying degrees of quality, from lousy to good, digital will
either work or it won't. You won't "kind" of get a signal. If it's not
strong enough, you're out of luck.

--
Terry R.

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"Adam Albright" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:32:22 -0400, "john" wrote:


"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
"john" wrote in message
...

"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
"john" wrote in message
...

"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...

Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the
TVs
will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major
computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer
runs second to making money..


exactly, same goes for Microsoft.




And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..

glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service
to
the customer runs second to making money.



Without the making of money, there would be no service, no development,
nada..

Linux is offered free on the back of other money making enterprises..

Do NOT accredit me with words that are not mine..

you took my statement and added "And..."
that generally means in addition to.
sounded like an agreement to me.


Always fun to watch Mike Hall try to wiggle out of what he said.

Memo to Mike Hall:

The word 'and' is intended to indicate some connection or additions to
what was previously said. Often used to express logical modification,
some consequence or supplementary explanation to another. May be used
to form a conjunction, list more of the same or of a similar kind.

Always amusing to see the Microsoft fateful exclude Microsoft from
what they admit are a laundry list of sins of other software
companies, software/hardware retailers etc., when everybody knows
Microsoft is the biggest offender when it comes to poor service,
crappy always buggy products and attempts to bully and be the 800
pound gorilla in the room.

You see Mike, that MVP badge you so love to flash around looks pretty
tarnished when you always excuse Microsoft no matter what pretending
they are guiltless, like a good little fanboy is suppose to do.


Memo to Adam Albright:

The word "retard" is reserved for our special child in this group and you
just happen to fit that bill. You always love to put down everyone who
doesn't agree with your views on Vista. That makes you look stupid in this
group and you lose credibility every time you post. Pretty soon, most
people will killfile your sorry ass and you will look more like the fool you
already are. Take the "and" and shove it where the sun DON'T shine.

Now go see if you can get a T1 line so you can have bandwith for your EGO.

Terry R. wrote:

The date and time was 5/20/2008 10:32 AM, and on a whim, Jim pounded out
on the keyboard:

"Tim Slattery" wrote in message
...

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with
over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

Yes but....there's an article in the Washington Post this morning
about how the digital over-the-air signals are not as robust as analog
signals. Somebody who gets acceptable over-the-air analog reception
might not do so well with digital signals.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...=moreheadlines


--
Tim Slattery
MS MVP(Shell/User)

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

Perhaps that is correct for some sets in some localities. However, my
TV receives both analog and digital signals. The only difference I
see is that
the digital signals are sharper and have better colors.

Jim


Those living in the boonies will suffer the most probably. Since analog
gives varying degrees of quality, from lousy to good, digital will
either work or it won't. You won't "kind" of get a signal. If it's not
strong enough, you're out of luck.


Yep, digital, ON/OFF, don't ya just love this new technology. VBG

To make more money on that inventory they will eventually need to dump?

jim wrote:
Of course you are right, but why wouldn't Best Buy tell their customers
this?

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
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The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with
over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

"Mark H" wrote in message
...
Your TV will not work if you do not receive Satellite or Cable and it is
not
digital ready.

If you currently receive Satellite or Cable, it will work just fine and
the
TVs are a lot cheaper.


"jim" wrote in message
.. .
As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates
right
out of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets
the tone for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that
Microsoft's $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course).

Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations
are
set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best
Buy
treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad.

As reported on CNET
(http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-994...?tag=nefd.top), Best
Buy
has been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready
for the February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals)
televisions
without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets
will not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional
digital
converter.

That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work
for
less than a year without the new digital signal converters.

Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on
people's PCs.

jim

Ahh, but see that would be too technical, for most of the Hollywood consumer
set here. :-)

I like that term digital terrestrial receivers MUCH better - at least it
explains a bit better what it is (i.e., with the tuner for the new digital
channels).

Synapse Syndrome wrote:
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
...
The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with
over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

I don't know about what you call these in America, but we do not call them
converter boxes. They are digital terrestrial receivers, as these
analogue
TVs just lack digital tuners.

ss.

True enough.
I wonder what % will be that way (receiving only local, over the air,
broadcasts, having no cable or satellite). I'll hazard a guess: maybe
20% of the population? (I figure the overwhelming majority are on cable or
satellite now, but I could be wrong)

Colin Barnhorst wrote:
The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with
over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

"Mark H" wrote in message
...
Your TV will not work if you do not receive Satellite or Cable and it is
not
digital ready.

If you currently receive Satellite or Cable, it will work just fine and
the
TVs are a lot cheaper.


"jim" wrote in message
.. .
As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right
out
of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the
tone
for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's
$200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course).

Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations
are
set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy
treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad.

As reported on CNET
(http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-994...?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy
has
been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready for
the
February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals)
televisions
without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets
will
not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional digital
converter.

That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work
for
less than a year without the new digital signal converters.

Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on
people's PCs.

jim

On Tue, 20 May 2008 06:35:09 -0400, jim wrote:

As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right out
of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the tone
for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's
$200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course).

This thread has nothing at all to do with either Vista or XP so please end
it. Those who want to continue this useless discussion should take it to
email, it doesn't belong in any of the news groups it has been excessively
cross-posted to.

--
Paul Adare
http://www.identit.ca
You forgot to do your backup 16 days ago. Tomorrow you will need that
version.

Paul Adare wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2008 06:35:09 -0400, jim wrote:

As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right out
of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the tone
for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's
$200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course).

This thread has nothing at all to do with either Vista or XP so please end
it. Those who want to continue this useless discussion should take it to
email, it doesn't belong in any of the news groups it has been excessively
cross-posted to.


Your net-cop response in this thread has nothing at all to do with
either Vista or XP so please end it. If you want to continue this
useless net-nazi discussion should take it to email, it doesn't belong
in any of the news groups it has been excessively cross-posted to.

--
"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/se...35&tag=nl.e101

Adam Albright wrote:

Always amusing to see the Microsoft fateful exclude Microsoft from
what they admit are a laundry list of sins of other software
companies, software/hardware retailers etc., when everybody knows
Microsoft is the biggest offender when it comes to poor service,
crappy always buggy products and attempts to bully and be the 800
pound gorilla in the room.


You see Mike, that MVP badge you so love to flash around looks pretty
tarnished when you always excuse Microsoft no matter what pretending
they are guiltless, like a good little fanboy is suppose to do.

There is a difference. Microsoft may release poor quality products and not
stand behind them, but Microsoft's motives are pure and the perceived
offenses can easily be attributed to oversight, mistake, or human error.
That stands in stark contrast to those companies who deliberately set out to
deceive.

I wouldn't own stock in a wicked, wicked company!

Anyway, to return to the thread - Best Buy is in for a change. They are
bidding to take over Netflix, which has a very high customer statisfaction
quotient. Whether Best Buy is the agent of change or the recipient has yet
to be determined.