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Old December 15th 18, 01:59 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
No_Name
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7 year old Dell, running Windows 7, 250 GB SSD C:\
with 960 GB spinner for image storage etc.

Makes a peculiar sound at first day startuo :

https://vocaroo.com/i/s10aoBahOEH6

No other adverse symptoms.

It's NOT the CD Drive because it's still there
with the drive disconnected,

Any idea what this is ?
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Old December 15th 18, 03:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Spalls Hurgenson
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 07:59:44 -0500, wrote:

7 year old Dell, running Windows 7, 250 GB SSD C:\
with 960 GB spinner for image storage etc.


Makes a peculiar sound at first day startuo :
https://vocaroo.com/i/s10aoBahOEH6

No other adverse symptoms.


It's NOT the CD Drive because it's still there
with the drive disconnected,


Any idea what this is ?


Even with the recording, it is difficult to make out (I am assuming
the sound you are referring to is after you say "go"). But there are
two main sources of noise from computer internals.

The first is the various fans used in cooling. The second is the
clickity-clack of the hard-drive.

This sounds like the former, since it seems to rev up quickly and then
settle down to a quieter whir. Even though a hard-drive does have
spinning platters, this part is relatively quiet and has a constant
speed. So my bet is that its an older fan that's having problems
getting up to speed.




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Old December 15th 18, 03:16 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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wrote

| https://vocaroo.com/i/s10aoBahOEH6
|
| Any idea what this is ?

I like that website. Clean and simple. No nonsense
trying to download the file. (Even though they tell
me in big red letters that their site won't work
without javascript.)

You might try unplugging one or more fans to see
if it still happens. The housings can sometimes be
very tight. For instance, I used to have a graphics
card with a small fan that rubbed for a bit when the
room temperature was cool. It could be that you have
such a fan, that it's just making slight contact, and
that you only hear that as the speed ramps up.


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Old December 15th 18, 04:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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wrote:
7 year old Dell, running Windows 7, 250 GB SSD C:\
with 960 GB spinner for image storage etc.

Makes a peculiar sound at first day startuo :

https://vocaroo.com/i/s10aoBahOEH6

No other adverse symptoms.

It's NOT the CD Drive because it's still there
with the drive disconnected,

Any idea what this is ?


It sounds like a fan starting up but bumping against a loosely hanging
cable.
I've had that problem. After a second or two it keeps the cable at bay
with generated wind. If I'm right, you should hear something similar at
shutdown.

Ed

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Old December 15th 18, 05:06 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Mayayana
writes:
wrote

| https://vocaroo.com/i/s10aoBahOEH6
|
| Any idea what this is ?

I like that website. Clean and simple. No nonsense
trying to download the file. (Even though they tell
me in big red letters that their site won't work
without javascript.)


I had to enable Flash to hear it.

You might try unplugging one or more fans to see
if it still happens. The housings can sometimes be
very tight. For instance, I used to have a graphics
card with a small fan that rubbed for a bit when the
room temperature was cool. It could be that you have
such a fan, that it's just making slight contact, and
that you only hear that as the speed ramps up.

Like Spalls, I wasn't sure which sound was the problem; the general
consensus that it's a fan seems likely.

On at least one Dell I've encountered, the fans start at full speed,
then settle down. Is this something that's just started happening, or
something that's always been the case?
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Old December 15th 18, 05:22 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| I had to enable Flash to hear it.

I just clicked on the option to download as mp3.


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Old December 15th 18, 05:50 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 12/15/18 10:06 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[snip]

I had to enable Flash to hear it.


I don't have Flash on this computer, and still heard the sound. That
sounds like one of those badly written sites that use AUDIO as a
fallback for Flash, instead of the other way as it should be.

[snip]

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Old December 15th 18, 08:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
No_Name
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Thanks all for responses.

It happens every time, after being off for a time, like over night.

My "Go" is the press of the start button.

I've checked out the 2 fans thorughly, and all is smooth, tight and
seems right.

The sound is hard to pinpoint 'cause it's so short and only happens
once a day, but seems central to the PC and I'm suspecting it might be
through the speaker, if there is one.

This has been an ongoing thing for some time now, but I've always
wondered about it, and occasionally put out out a feeler.
  #10  
Old December 15th 18, 08:58 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message ,
writes:
Thanks all for responses.

It happens every time, after being off for a time, like over night.

My "Go" is the press of the start button.

I've checked out the 2 fans thorughly, and all is smooth, tight and
seems right.

The sound is hard to pinpoint 'cause it's so short and only happens
once a day, but seems central to the PC and I'm suspecting it might be
through the speaker, if there is one.


That should be easy - unplug it and see if sound goes away (-:. If there
is one - set something that continuously (or at least repetitively)
sounds through it, to help you find it.

This has been an ongoing thing for some time now, but I've always
wondered about it, and occasionally put out out a feeler.


In case it's just fans running at full, try to find a task that makes
the processor work hard, ideally in short bursts, and see if it sounds
similar.
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Q. How much is 2 + 2?
A. Thank you so much for asking your question.
Are you still having this problem? I'll be delighted to help you. Please
restate the problem twice and include your Windows version along with
all error logs.
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Old December 15th 18, 09:00 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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wrote:
Thanks all for responses.

It happens every time, after being off for a time, like over night.

My "Go" is the press of the start button.

I've checked out the 2 fans thorughly, and all is smooth, tight and
seems right.

The sound is hard to pinpoint 'cause it's so short and only happens
once a day, but seems central to the PC and I'm suspecting it might be
through the speaker, if there is one.

This has been an ongoing thing for some time now, but I've always
wondered about it, and occasionally put out out a feeler.


If you thought it was the optical drive, you could
unplug the optical drive SATA-power and SATA-data
cables, then start the computer and listen again.

On fans, pressing on the center of the hub may
modulate the sound effect, and help confirm
"you're touching the right fan". That's if the
fan noise was persistent, such as a bad bearing.

Some fans use FDB bearings (fluid dynamic). When
the fan first starts, the bearing is dry. After
a second or two, the FDB "pumping action" ensures
the fan bearing is coated in oil and then all
friction in the fan bearing stops. Perhaps
only where the fan bearing is held so the fan
can't come out of the bearing, that surface
could still wear, depending on fan orientation.
The very best FDB bearing man has ever built, has
been calculated to last 1200 years. They can be
good, as long as the lubricant never escapes.

The other bearing types are ball bearing and
sleeve bearing. Ball bearing, the bearing noise
goes up with time. The bearings continue to work,
even if the sound drives you crazy. (I have some
IBM 9GB hard drives that fit in this category
of being "too noisy" but "working fine".)

The cheapest bearing is a sleeve bearing. It's
like a ball bearing, only without balls. Typically
no seal at all. I got one sleeve bearing fan once,
where the oil had drained out and made a puddle
on the bottom of the chassis. Of course the fan
was destroyed in the first day of usage, since
the quality was a large -1.

A sleeve bearing will "rattle" rather than "spin",
when it's dry or has worn to an out-of-spec
condition. That's not your sound either, as sleeve
bearings could continue to make rude noises until
you rest your finger on the hub... for a while.

So if disconnecting the optical drive doesn't
provide relief, it's probably a fan. In a Dell,
it's the "hoover" fitted in the CPU area (the
one that vents the computer case, as well as
providing forced air through the CPU fins
at the same time). The Dell fan is normally
electrically turned down. In the event of a
control failure (Dell won't POST), the fan runs
full speed, because the BIOS cannot set the
register that controls the fan speed. The speed
is set higher, in response to measured temps
inside the casing. If there is no CPU in the
motherboard for example, then the fan should
default to high speed ("hoover mode") and scare
the crap out of you.

Paul
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Old December 15th 18, 09:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 11:22:28 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| I had to enable Flash to hear it.

I just clicked on the option to download as mp3.


+1 one. I never allow Flash. Don't even have it installed. Too
much of a security risk.
As to the sound - I have no idea what the first one is. The
second sound at the very end is the HD spinning up.
Have you tried sticking a plastic screwdriver to your ear and
pressing it against various areas of the PC ? Like listening for
knocks in a car engine. It can help you to pinpoint the origin.
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Old December 15th 18, 10:35 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Shadow" wrote

| I just clicked on the option to download as mp3.
|
|
| +1 one. I never allow Flash. Don't even have it installed. Too
| much of a security risk.

I'm surprised that anyone does. I've never had it
installed, but these days it's being phased out, anyway.

I also don't normally enable sound. I turn on the
speakers if I want to do something like watch a video.
Otherwise, I don't consider sound to be a relevant
part of using a computer. Sounds that accompany
message windows or Explorer actions are nonsense at
best to me. At worst they're jarring. I have all of
that disabled.
Example: Try saving this to Notepad, rename as
msg.vbs, and run it:

msgbox "Here's a nasty one!", 16, "Error message"


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Old December 15th 18, 10:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 16:35:10 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Shadow" wrote

| I just clicked on the option to download as mp3.
|
|
| +1 one. I never allow Flash. Don't even have it installed. Too
| much of a security risk.

I'm surprised that anyone does. I've never had it
installed, but these days it's being phased out, anyway.

I also don't normally enable sound. I turn on the
speakers if I want to do something like watch a video.
Otherwise, I don't consider sound to be a relevant
part of using a computer. Sounds that accompany
message windows or Explorer actions are nonsense at
best to me. At worst they're jarring. I have all of
that disabled.
Example: Try saving this to Notepad, rename as
msg.vbs, and run it:

msgbox "Here's a nasty one!", 16, "Error message"


"Windows Scripting Host disabled on this machine"

(rough translation from Portuguese).

I get also error messages when I try to run .jar files.
Odd, huh ? I'm surprised I've never been hacked, what with all
the missing "essential" stuff.

[]'s

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Old December 15th 18, 11:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Shadow" wrote

| msgbox "Here's a nasty one!", 16, "Error message"
|
| "Windows Scripting Host disabled on this machine"
|

I'm surprised. You seem to be very knowledgeable, and
WSH is a very handy tool.

In any case, the 16 causes a message that shows
an error message, with a red circle containing a white X.
There are different types of messages: plain, Information
with a small i, question mark, exclamation and error. The
default error sound makes me jump. For that reason,
whenever I need to show a message I use information:

Msgbox "message here", 64

It produces a gentle ding sound.

But on my main machine I don't actually have any WAVs in
the media folder. There are not even any options in the
Sounds applet.


 




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