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  #31  
Old November 11th 06, 06:37 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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Daave wrote:


I often use their Shields Up page at
https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 in order to make sure all my ports
are in "Stealth mode." Can you recommend an alternative?


The last time I checked the "Shields Up" page, it neglected to check
some of the very ports used by Blaster/Welchia, et al. Has that
oversight been corrected?

Anyway, another site for testing is:

Symantec Security Check
http://security.symantec.com/ssc/home.asp


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  #32  
Old November 11th 06, 06:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
JS
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Thanks for the reply, all very interesting.

JS

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
JS wrote:
Why does MS have this article on their web site:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u.../stopspam.mspx



Do you really trust Microsoft's official stance for security issues? ;-}
Seriously, though, the second sentence of page does say "You should enable
the Internet Connection Firewall..." *before* advising the disabling of
the firewall. (And remember, the post I to which I replied made no
mention of a firewall; it offered disabling the messenger service as a
complete solution.)

The problem is that turning off the Messenger Service, by itself, does
*not* block the wide open TCP and UDP ports that the spammers used to
deliver the spam to the Messenger Service for display. With the Messenger
Service disabled, those spam deliveries are still continuing, but they're
simply not being displayed. It's like pulling the battery out of a noisy
smoke detector to silence it, rather than looking for and eliminating the
source of the smoke that set it off.

The danger of this "treat the symptoms" approach has been more than
aptly demonstrated by the advent of the W32.Blaster.Worm, the
W32.Welchia.Worm, the W32.Sasser. Worm, and their variants. These worms
attack PCs via some of the very same open ports that the Messenger Service
uses. Need I mention how many hundreds of thousands of PCs have been
infected by these worms since August of 2003? To date, according to my
records, I have personally responded to well over 1000 Usenet posts
concerning Blaster/Welchia/Sasser infections since last then, and I can't
possibly have seen and replied to every one that there's been posted in
this period.

Now, as for the Messenger Service itself, it generally doesn't hurt
any thing to turn it off, although I never recommend doing so. Granted,
the service is of little or no use to most home PC users (Although I've
had uses it on my home LAN.), and turning off unnecessary services is part
of any standard computer security protocol. However, I feel that the
potential benefits of leaving the Messenger Service enabled out-weigh any
as-yet-theoretical risks that it presents. It will indirectly let the
computer user know that his/her firewall has failed by displaying the
Messenger Service spam. Think of it as the canary that miners used to
take down into the mine shafts with them. There are others, of course,
who disagree with me on this point and advise turning off the service
because it isn't needed; you'll have to make up your own mind here.



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  #33  
Old November 11th 06, 07:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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JS wrote:
Thanks for the reply, all very interesting.


You're welcome.

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  #34  
Old November 11th 06, 08:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Daave
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Bruce Chambers wrote:
Daave wrote:


I often use their Shields Up page at
https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 in order to make sure all my
ports are in "Stealth mode." Can you recommend an alternative?


The last time I checked the "Shields Up" page, it neglected to check
some of the very ports used by Blaster/Welchia, et al. Has that
oversight been corrected?


Good question. Which ports would these be?

Anyway, another site for testing is:

Symantec Security Check
http://security.symantec.com/ssc/home.asp


Thanks!

--
Dave


  #35  
Old November 11th 06, 08:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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Daave wrote:


Good question. Which ports would these be?



UDP ports 135, 137, and 138 and TCP ports 135, 139, and 445


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  #36  
Old November 12th 06, 12:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Danny Wareham
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Bruce,

I actually couldn't agree with you anymore.

However, the problem is most people don't understand how to make their
computers secure and some could care less, they don't want to take the time
to learn how.

That is why I recommended GRC's shoot the messenger because it is any easy
tool for people like that to use to shut off the service.

As I said. I agree 100% with you.
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WareSoft Software

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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Danny Wareham wrote:
That sucks! I hate messenger spam. Make sure everyone who reads this
disables the messenger service.

Here is an easy freeware program for those that don't know how to do it:

http://www.grc.com/stm/shootthemessenger.htm




I realize that you're trying to help, and that such an intent is
commendable, but please don't post potentially harmful advice.

Merely disabling the messenger service, as Gibson's utility does, is a
dangerous "head in the sand" approach to computer security that leaves the
PC vulnerable to threats such as the W32.Blaster, W32.Welchia, and
W32,Sasser worms.

The real problem is _not_ the messenger service pop-ups; they're
actually providing a useful, if unintentional, service by acting as a
security alert. The true problem is the unsecured computer, and your only
advice, however well-intended, was to turn off the warnings. Was this
truly helpful?

Equivalent Scenario: You over-exert your shoulder at work or play,
causing bursitis. After weeks of annoying and sometimes excruciating pain
whenever you try to reach over your head, you go to a doctor and say,
while demonstrating the motion, "Doc, it hurts when I do this." The
doctor, being as helpful as you've been, replies, "Well, don't do that."

The only true way to secure the PC, short of disconnecting it from the
Internet, is to install and *properly* configure a firewall; just
installing one and letting it's default settings handle things is no good.
Unfortunately, this does require one to learn a little bit more about
using a computer than used to be necessary.

Gibson is a very poor source for computer security advice. Gibson has
been fooling a lot of people for several years, now, so don't feel too bad
about having believed him. He mixes just enough facts in with his
hysteria and hyperbole to be plausible. Despicably, Gibson is assuming a
presumably morally superior pose as a White Knight out to rescue the poor,
defenseless computer user, all the while offering solutions that do no
good whatsoever.

Perhaps you should read what real computer security specialists have
to say about Steve Gibson's "security" expertise. You can start he
http://www.grcsucks.com/


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand
Russell



  #37  
Old November 12th 06, 12:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Danny Wareham
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Wow! I need to proofread better.

What a difference a space makes!

I wrote:

I actually couldn't agree with you anymore.

I meant:

I actually couldn't agree with you any more.

--
Danny Wareham, President
WareSoft Software

XP Smoker - The Hot Performance Booster for Windows XP
http://www.xp-smoker.com

Popular Software at Great Prices
http://www.waresoftsoftware.com

"Danny Wareham" wrote in message
...


Bruce,

I actually couldn't agree with you anymore.

However, the problem is most people don't understand how to make their
computers secure and some could care less, they don't want to take the
time to learn how.

That is why I recommended GRC's shoot the messenger because it is any easy
tool for people like that to use to shut off the service.

As I said. I agree 100% with you.
--
Danny Wareham, President
WareSoft Software

XP Smoker - The Hot Performance Booster for Windows XP
http://www.xp-smoker.com

Popular Software at Great Prices
http://www.waresoftsoftware.com

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Danny Wareham wrote:
That sucks! I hate messenger spam. Make sure everyone who reads this
disables the messenger service.

Here is an easy freeware program for those that don't know how to do it:

http://www.grc.com/stm/shootthemessenger.htm




I realize that you're trying to help, and that such an intent is
commendable, but please don't post potentially harmful advice.

Merely disabling the messenger service, as Gibson's utility does, is
a dangerous "head in the sand" approach to computer security that leaves
the PC vulnerable to threats such as the W32.Blaster, W32.Welchia, and
W32,Sasser worms.

The real problem is _not_ the messenger service pop-ups; they're
actually providing a useful, if unintentional, service by acting as a
security alert. The true problem is the unsecured computer, and your only
advice, however well-intended, was to turn off the warnings. Was this
truly helpful?

Equivalent Scenario: You over-exert your shoulder at work or play,
causing bursitis. After weeks of annoying and sometimes excruciating
pain whenever you try to reach over your head, you go to a doctor and
say, while demonstrating the motion, "Doc, it hurts when I do this." The
doctor, being as helpful as you've been, replies, "Well, don't do that."

The only true way to secure the PC, short of disconnecting it from
the Internet, is to install and *properly* configure a firewall; just
installing one and letting it's default settings handle things is no
good. Unfortunately, this does require one to learn a little bit more
about using a computer than used to be necessary.

Gibson is a very poor source for computer security advice. Gibson
has been fooling a lot of people for several years, now, so don't feel
too bad about having believed him. He mixes just enough facts in with
his hysteria and hyperbole to be plausible. Despicably, Gibson is
assuming a presumably morally superior pose as a White Knight out to
rescue the poor, defenseless computer user, all the while offering
solutions that do no good whatsoever.

Perhaps you should read what real computer security specialists have
to say about Steve Gibson's "security" expertise. You can start he
http://www.grcsucks.com/


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand
Russell





  #38  
Old November 14th 06, 06:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
VaioWoman
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Hello Danny, Sorry to butt in but can you tell me where I can learn about
Registry Basics I need the knowledge to understand what I am doing if I was
to try and fix registry or remove redundent registry. I have not had a chance
yet to look at yours but certainly going to have a look if it will remove or
clean my registry without doing any harm as I have my first Laptop (1 Year)
which has been quite a headache with unwanted software etc attached to it. It
is a VAIO-A417S which I have had to recover approx 7 times in one year, so am
nervous about touching registry. Even now I am not sure what I am talking
about as it has been a steep learning curve with VAIO unlike the standard PC.
Best regards.

"Danny Wareham" wrote:


Wow! I need to proofread better.

What a difference a space makes!

I wrote:

I actually couldn't agree with you anymore.

I meant:

I actually couldn't agree with you any more.

--
Danny Wareham, President
WareSoft Software

XP Smoker - The Hot Performance Booster for Windows XP
http://www.xp-smoker.com

Popular Software at Great Prices
http://www.waresoftsoftware.com

"Danny Wareham" wrote in message
...


Bruce,

I actually couldn't agree with you anymore.

However, the problem is most people don't understand how to make their
computers secure and some could care less, they don't want to take the
time to learn how.

That is why I recommended GRC's shoot the messenger because it is any easy
tool for people like that to use to shut off the service.

As I said. I agree 100% with you.
--
Danny Wareham, President
WareSoft Software

XP Smoker - The Hot Performance Booster for Windows XP
http://www.xp-smoker.com

Popular Software at Great Prices
http://www.waresoftsoftware.com

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Danny Wareham wrote:
That sucks! I hate messenger spam. Make sure everyone who reads this
disables the messenger service.

Here is an easy freeware program for those that don't know how to do it:

http://www.grc.com/stm/shootthemessenger.htm




I realize that you're trying to help, and that such an intent is
commendable, but please don't post potentially harmful advice.

Merely disabling the messenger service, as Gibson's utility does, is
a dangerous "head in the sand" approach to computer security that leaves
the PC vulnerable to threats such as the W32.Blaster, W32.Welchia, and
W32,Sasser worms.

The real problem is _not_ the messenger service pop-ups; they're
actually providing a useful, if unintentional, service by acting as a
security alert. The true problem is the unsecured computer, and your only
advice, however well-intended, was to turn off the warnings. Was this
truly helpful?

Equivalent Scenario: You over-exert your shoulder at work or play,
causing bursitis. After weeks of annoying and sometimes excruciating
pain whenever you try to reach over your head, you go to a doctor and
say, while demonstrating the motion, "Doc, it hurts when I do this." The
doctor, being as helpful as you've been, replies, "Well, don't do that."

The only true way to secure the PC, short of disconnecting it from
the Internet, is to install and *properly* configure a firewall; just
installing one and letting it's default settings handle things is no
good. Unfortunately, this does require one to learn a little bit more
about using a computer than used to be necessary.

Gibson is a very poor source for computer security advice. Gibson
has been fooling a lot of people for several years, now, so don't feel
too bad about having believed him. He mixes just enough facts in with
his hysteria and hyperbole to be plausible. Despicably, Gibson is
assuming a presumably morally superior pose as a White Knight out to
rescue the poor, defenseless computer user, all the while offering
solutions that do no good whatsoever.

Perhaps you should read what real computer security specialists have
to say about Steve Gibson's "security" expertise. You can start he
http://www.grcsucks.com/


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand
Russell






  #39  
Old November 14th 06, 07:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Hex2EBCDIC
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I have found this to be correct also, Bruce.

I've used registry cleaner software to try and clean the register and have
found myself pulling my hair out when the PC would boot up after fixing
"SUPPOSED" errors!!!!!

Now I baackup the register entries after anything has been installed and use
REGEDIT.EXE and my own 2 eyes to clean the thing!

Hex2EBCDIC, a fellow computer nerd
"Bruce Chambers" wrote:

Adam wrote:
This might be to general of a question, but I believe that I am having
problems with my registry.



What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not snake
oil some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems, created with the
primary purpose of selling you a useless product) that you think can be
fixed by using a registry cleaner?


? Is there any way, preferably free, that I can fix
these problems?



Certainly. Start Run Regedit.exe. Correct the specific key(s)
that's causing your specific problem.


I tried to download a program to fix them, but they wanted
me to purchases the program to actually take care of my registry problems,
which they said I had something like 347 of.



Avoid snake oil solutions. If you do have a problem that is rooted in
the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after backing up,
of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the
problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job?
Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is
far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated
product to make multiple changes simultaneously.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change. Having seen the results of inexperienced people
using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user.

The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge
and Regedit.exe. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain
your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

Further, no one has ever demonstrated, to my satisfaction, that the
use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability.

I always use Regedit.exe. I trust my own experience and judgment
far more than I would any automated registry cleaner. I strongly
encourage others to acquire the knowledge, as well.



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  #40  
Old November 23rd 06, 08:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Pharaon3000
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"Adam" wrote:

This might be to general of a question, but I believe that I am having
problems with my registry. Is there any way, preferably free, that I can fix
these problems? I tried to download a program to fix them, but they wanted
me to purchases the program to actually take care of my registry problems,
which they said I had something like 347 of.
Oh and I am running Windows XP Professional on a Dell notebook.
Thanks.


i don't realy understand to munch of these but here is what I did when I had
the same problem. Start you pc in safe mode, make the changes you need to do
(specialy the ones to log in windows) an restore your system to an earlier
time preferible to a point of time when your system was runing ok and "BINGO"
everything will be as it was. good luck. Raf.

  #41  
Old November 24th 06, 05:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Mustangcp2
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"Adam" wrote:

This might be to general of a question, but I believe that I am having
problems with my registry. Is there any way, preferably free, that I can fix
these problems? I tried to download a program to fix them, but they wanted
me to purchases the program to actually take care of my registry problems,
which they said I had something like 347 of.
Oh and I am running Windows XP Professional on a Dell notebook.
Thanks.

  #42  
Old November 24th 06, 06:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Mustangcp2
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"Adam" wrote:

This might be to general of a question, but I believe that I am having
problems with my registry. Is there any way, preferably free, that I can fix
these problems? I tried to download a program to fix them, but they wanted
me to purchases the program to actually take care of my registry problems,
which they said I had something like 347 of.
Oh and I am running Windows XP Professional on a Dell notebook.
Thanks.


Go to download.com, find TweakNow Regcleaner it's a free download. While you
are there find CCcleaner another free download. Both work great.
  #43  
Old December 1st 06, 08:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Hex2EBCDIC
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Adam,

Your best bet is to:
A) Use REGEDIT from the MS-Dos command prompt of the Windows Run option.

B) Export your registry files to your hard drive.

C) Use Notepad to open the files (DO NOT USE REGEDIT TO OPEN THE FILES)

D) Use the Notepad FIND command to find programs you have removed such as
games like Doom or something.

E) Delete the entries yourself.

F) Use REGEDIT to Import the files back into your registry.

From personal experience I have messed up more little duckies with registry
clean programs which clobbered the register and I was unable to boot the
system!!!




"Adam" wrote:

This might be to general of a question, but I believe that I am having
problems with my registry. Is there any way, preferably free, that I can fix
these problems? I tried to download a program to fix them, but they wanted
me to purchases the program to actually take care of my registry problems,
which they said I had something like 347 of.
Oh and I am running Windows XP Professional on a Dell notebook.
Thanks.

 




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