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  #16  
Old January 4th 21, 06:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Apd wrote:
"Ant" wrote:
Apd wrote:
(Posting this mesage from Win2k)


Woah, W2K. What else do you use in it?


Not much these days. Some software development, archiving. It dual
boots to MSDOS if I fancy playing with that.


And what do you do in old school DOS?
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Old January 4th 21, 11:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"Ant" wrote:
Apd wrote:
"Ant" wrote:
Woah, W2K. What else do you use in it?


Not much these days. Some software development, archiving. It dual
boots to MSDOS if I fancy playing with that.


And what do you do in old school DOS?


Have nostalgia trips. Some old games/demos/whatever run better in real
DOS on real hardware than under emulation, particularly ones that
directly address the graphics card.


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Old January 4th 21, 03:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"Ant"

And what do you do in old school DOS?


You are sarcastic but DOS can still be useful. I use it for the backup of my
data, for changing attributes to groups of files, for Youtube-dl, and so on.

GF


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Old January 4th 21, 07:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 15:14:08, G.F. wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised):
"Ant"

And what do you do in old school DOS?


You are sarcastic but DOS can still be useful. I use it for the backup of my
data, for changing attributes to groups of files, for Youtube-dl, and so on.

GF


I think he was talking about real DOS; you're talking about command mode
from within Windows. (Which I agree is useful.)

I've often wondered why the youtube-dl folk haven't used a shorter name
- YT-dl would do - so as not to exceed 8 characters; but then, I wish
they'd name it something else anyway, as it works with so many websites,
not just YouTube.
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  #21  
Old January 4th 21, 11:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:51:32 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 15:14:08, G.F. wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised):
"Ant"

And what do you do in old school DOS?


You are sarcastic but DOS can still be useful. I use it for the backup of my
data, for changing attributes to groups of files, for Youtube-dl, and so on.

GF


I think he was talking about real DOS; you're talking about command mode
from within Windows. (Which I agree is useful.)


I still have some stuff that runs better on real DOS but most is OK in
DOSBOX. The stuff that runs from the command line is pretty limited
after you got to XP or 7. Some but not all batch commands are
supported. Same with DOSBOX. Any ANSI.SYS tricks are not going to work
at all.
  #22  
Old January 4th 21, 11:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
I think he was talking about real DOS;


I certainly was, and you can't run youtube-dl on 16-bit DOS.

you're talking about command mode from within Windows.


Which is not DOS.

I've often wondered why the youtube-dl folk haven't used a shorter name
- YT-dl would do - so as not to exceed 8 characters; but then, I wish
they'd name it something else anyway, as it works with so many websites,
not just YouTube.


What's stopping you from renaming it?


  #23  
Old January 5th 21, 02:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Apd wrote:
"Ant" wrote:
Apd wrote:
"Ant" wrote:
Woah, W2K. What else do you use in it?


Not much these days. Some software development, archiving. It dual
boots to MSDOS if I fancy playing with that.


And what do you do in old school DOS?


Have nostalgia trips. Some old games/demos/whatever run better in real
DOS on real hardware than under emulation, particularly ones that
directly address the graphics card.


Ah, do you do that often? I rarely did that with my old stuff. Heh.
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Old January 5th 21, 02:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 22:20:33, Apd wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised):
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
I think he was talking about real DOS;


I certainly was, and you can't run youtube-dl on 16-bit DOS.

you're talking about command mode from within Windows.


Which is not DOS.

I've often wondered why the youtube-dl folk haven't used a shorter name
- YT-dl would do - so as not to exceed 8 characters; but then, I wish
they'd name it something else anyway, as it works with so many websites,
not just YouTube.


What's stopping you from renaming it?

The upgrade process it goes through when you run it with the -U
parameter. (I already have y.bat to call it with the
don't-check-certificate option, for when using it fails bad
certificate.)

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Old January 5th 21, 01:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 22:20:33, Apd wrote:
What's stopping you from renaming it?


The upgrade process it goes through when you run it with the -U
parameter.


I've not tried but it shouldn't matter because it knows the filename
from which it was invoked. The "update.py" module gets it from argv[0]
which you will be familiar with if you know C or Python (yt-dl is
written in python). "argv" is an array of command-line arguments
passed to the program, the first being the filename.



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Old January 5th 21, 02:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 at 12:59:52, Apd wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised):
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 22:20:33, Apd wrote:
What's stopping you from renaming it?


The upgrade process it goes through when you run it with the -U
parameter.


I've not tried but it shouldn't matter because it knows the filename
from which it was invoked. The "update.py" module gets it from argv[0]
which you will be familiar with if you know C or Python (yt-dl is
written in python). "argv" is an array of command-line arguments
passed to the program, the first being the filename.


You're right! Just tried it: renamed it to shorter name, ran --version
(2020-12-12), ran -U (got 2021-1-3), ran (using the shorter name)
--version, and it showed 2021-1-3.

Maybe they've changed the -U process, or maybe that particular aspect
isn't affected by the (very minor) bug I found, which was: I think
within the last year or two, I found -U didn't work if I had it in a
path with certain characters in (I think "." threw it; it wasn't just
space). On investigation, I found this was because it creates (and then
deletes) a batch file if it detects a newer version exists [basically:
get new version (under temporary name), delete old version, rename new
version]. The pathname characters broke the batch file. I'd assumed it
explicitly specified "youtube-dl.exe"; obviously it uses argv[0].

(I still wish they'd use a different _default_ name, though, as
youtube-dl makes lots of people think it's only for YouTube; in
practice, I've rarely found a webpage it _won't_ work on.)
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  #28  
Old January 5th 21, 02:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| Maybe they've changed the -U process, or maybe that particular aspect
| isn't affected by the (very minor) bug I found, which was: I think
| within the last year or two, I found -U didn't work if I had it in a
| path with certain characters in (I think "." threw it; it wasn't just
| space). On investigation, I found this was because it creates (and then
| deletes) a batch file if it detects a newer version exists [basically:
| get new version (under temporary name), delete old version, rename new
| version]. The pathname characters broke the batch file. I'd assumed it
| explicitly specified "youtube-dl.exe"; obviously it uses argv[0].
|

Wasn't it you who told me it was far too much
work to put youtube-dl.org into a browser and click
the download link? It sure seems easy to me, the
once a month or so that I need to do it.

I'm repeatedly grateful that the authors/maintainers keep
updating it. I downloaded the code at one point and it's
fairly involved. To update it myself I'd need to not only
figure out all the code but also work out breaking changes
to webpages, which seem to be frequent. I'd like to see
them make a GUI for it, but I'm not complaining. That would
be like a starvuing man who receives a meal and complains
that the plate it's served on is chintzy.


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Old January 5th 21, 03:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 11:55:54 +0700, JJ wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 17:01:55 -0500, wrote:

The stuff that runs from the command line is pretty limited
after you got to XP or 7.


That'll be more like all 64-bit Windows, where they can't natively run
16-bit programs. Windows version doesn't really matter.

Some but not all batch commands are supported. Same with DOSBOX.


In terms of internal commands, the missing ones are only a few and they're
not quite important, IMO (e.g. TRUENAME). However, the trick that can make
the FOR command to iterate each character in the given string, is no longer
possible.

DosBox's command line features on the other hand, is more limited even if
compares with MS-DOS (v6.x).

Any ANSI.SYS tricks are not going to work at all.


ANSI escape codes is natively supported by DosBox's built in command
shell/prompt. Though, I don't know how well it covers the whole ANSI escape
code specifications.

Also, there's no way to disable the ANSI unless DosBox is used to boot a DOS
image which doesn't load ANSI.SYS. Running other command shell such as
FreeDOS' COMMAND.COM (i.e. FreeCOM) from within DosBox's built in command
shell won't disable ANSI either.


DOSBOX doesn't seem to support all of the PROMPT tricks I used in DOS
6.3. (redefining keyboard keys etc)
It does seem to support the direct access in dBase that Windows has
choked on since XP. I can also run pretty much all of my 16 bit stuff.
If I really want to walk down memory lane I do have a 1g FAT16
partition on one of my drives that will boot into real DOS. That looks
like the machine on my desk when I retired in 1996 with W/3.1
available if I want to look at my old Prodigy notes ;-)


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Old January 6th 21, 02:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 at 08:47:04, Mayayana wrote
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[]
Wasn't it you who told me it was far too much
work to put youtube-dl.org into a browser and click
the download link? It sure seems easy to me, the
once a month or so that I need to do it.


Might have been (-:. I tend only to update it when it doesn't work!

I'm repeatedly grateful that the authors/maintainers keep
updating it. I downloaded the code at one point and it's
fairly involved. To update it myself I'd need to not only
figure out all the code but also work out breaking changes
to webpages, which seem to be frequent. I'd like to see
them make a GUI for it, but I'm not complaining. That would
be like a starvuing man who receives a meal and complains
that the plate it's served on is chintzy.

Your counterpart on these 'groups has made one.

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