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In article , Ken Blake
wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:04:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my standard post on modems: Are you telling me that a DSL 'device' doesn't modulate the digital signal over an analogue line into several different frequency bins and demodulate what it receives back into digital? If you are saying that then just how does it work? What I wrote is my understanding of how it works. If you want more details, sorry, I'm the wrong person to ask and I can't provide them. your understanding is wrong. |
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
I don't know if I am right but I always suspect that when the telephone went digital in the 1980's, the differnce in the transmission of the digital conversation and data converged into the same basic system. I assumed this because of the a telephone number is the same number of digits as a URL 192.168.01.01 919-333-3636 Is this assumption correct? wha ??? Aktually, cause they're one digit different, they couldn't converge them. Now we have to start over again. That's why we have IPV6 today, the "telephone mistake". And because of one stinkin digit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_address "An example of an IPv6 address is: 2001:0db8:85a3:0000:0000:8a2e:0370:7334 " See how easy to remember that is ? I found that number on a bathroom wall once. "For a good time, dial... 2001:0db8:85a3:0000:0000:8a2e:0370:7334". OK, now run your telephone theory past me one more time. 2001:0db8:85a3:0000:0000:8a2e:0370:7334 919-333-3636-919-333-3636-919-333-3636 Damn! They're still off by one digit. What the... This is never going to work! ******* Do you realize how long it would take to explain this ? In the beginning, it started with two tomato tins and a piece of string. One tomato tin was "0", the other tomato tin was "1". And that's where "numbering plans" came from. "Can I talk to '1' please?" "Speaking". When they made the string longer, you had to put a 1- in front (long distance). Paul |
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In article , Paul
wrote: "An example of an IPv6 address is: 2001:0db8:85a3:0000:0000:8a2e:0370:7334 " See how easy to remember that is ? I found that number on a bathroom wall once. "For a good time, dial... 2001:0db8:85a3:0000:0000:8a2e:0370:7334". was it? |
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Paul wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote: I assumed this because of the a telephone number is the same number of digits as a URL Is this assumption correct? wha ??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong |
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 18:51:17 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote: KenK wrote: Zyxel model number C1100Z So you'll need to add a new PPoE "dialler" in control panel, network and sharing The PPPoE config should already be in the modem/router device, so by the time the PC sees anything, it's plain old Ethernet. No need for PPPoE on the PC. |
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 19:27:19 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote: Paul wrote: Andy Burns wrote: KenK wrote: Zyxel model number C1100Z So you'll need to add a new PPoE "dialler" in control panel, network and sharing VDSL2 Modem/router/icecube_maker. Odd that century link just describe it as "a modem", when taking an actual look, it is a combined modem/router/access point like everyone else calls "a router" ignore the PPPoE suggestion. Oops, ignore my previous post. You're spot on. |
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Char Jackson wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: you'll need to add a new PPoE "dialler" The PPPoE config should already be in the modem/router device, so by the time the PC sees anything, it's plain old Ethernet. No need for PPPoE on the PC. Yeah, using a xDSL device as a modem or bridge device was/is pretty rare, I shouldn't have believed the supplier's one-liner description. |
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 20:42:17 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote: On 12/5/2018 5:04 PM, rp wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:04:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my standard post on modems: Are you telling me that a DSL 'device' doesn't modulate the digital signal over an analogue line into several different frequency bins and demodulate what it receives back into digital? If you are saying that then just how does it work? It's still the sane old analogue telephone line until it gets a modulator and demodulator at each end to make it a digital subscriber line. I don't know if I am right but I always suspect that when the telephone went digital in the 1980's, the differnce in the transmission of the digital conversation and data converged into the same basic system. Went digital? POTS never went digital. Are you thinking of VoIP? I assumed this because of the a telephone number is the same number of digits as a URL Note that what follows is not a URL, but an example of an IPv4 address. 192.168.01.01 919-333-3636 Is this assumption correct? That's an interesting theory. Alas, it's completely wrong. :-) |
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In article , Char Jackson
wrote: I don't know if I am right but I always suspect that when the telephone went digital in the 1980's, the differnce in the transmission of the digital conversation and data converged into the same basic system. Went digital? POTS never went digital. Are you thinking of VoIP? other than the last mile, it did. |
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:31:59 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
Are you telling me that a DSL 'device' doesn't modulate the digital signal over an analogue line into several different frequency bins and demodulate what it receives back into digital? If you are saying that then just how does it work? What I wrote is my understanding of how it works. If you want more details, sorry, I'm the wrong person to ask and I can't provide them. You are the one saying it's not a modem and yet you don't understand how it works! Paul gives a good description but note that the word modulation is used. -- Regards - Rodney Pont The from address exists but is mostly dumped, please send any emails to the address below e-mail rpont (at) gmail (dot) com |
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 20:42:17 -0500, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I don't know if I am right but I always suspect that when the telephone went digital in the 1980's, the differnce in the transmission of the digital conversation and data converged into the same basic system. Transmission only went digital between exchanges. The line from the exchange to the phone is still analogue. It's converted to digital in the exchange, sent to the target exchange and then converted back to analogue and sent to the other parties phone. Otherwise everyone would have had to replace their handsets with ones that contain D/A and A/D converters. I assumed this because of the a telephone number is the same number of digits as a URL 192.168.01.01 919-333-3636 Is this assumption correct? No, that assumption is not correct. What about an IP address of 1.2.3.4, it exists and someone will (most likely) be using it. If you are adding leading zeroes your example must be 192.168.001.001 since each value can be from 0 to 255. The numbers are an IP address, a url is in letters (www.example.com). -- Regards - Rodney Pont The from address exists but is mostly dumped, please send any emails to the address below e-mail rpont (at) gmail (dot) com |
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 14:40:58 -0500, nospam wrote:
in some cases, a router *does* directly connect to the internet. In the UK domestic 'routers' connect to a local Digital Subscriber Line Access Multiplexer (property of OpenReach) that routes your traffic to somewhere in your ISP's network before it hits the 'Internet'. |
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In article , mechanic
wrote: in some cases, a router *does* directly connect to the internet. In the UK domestic 'routers' connect to a local Digital Subscriber Line Access Multiplexer (property of OpenReach) that routes your traffic to somewhere in your ISP's network before it hits the 'Internet'. that's for dsl. there are other options. |
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rp wrote:
Ken Blake wrote: What I wrote is my understanding of how it works. If you want more details, sorry, I'm the wrong person to ask and I can't provide them. You are the one saying it's not a modem and yet you don't understand how it works! Paul gives a good description but note that the word modulation is used. modem = modulation/demodulation ^^^________^^^ http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Modulator-Demodulator Paul mentioned both in his article. |
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mechanic wrote in news:e2qt8nor9swp
: On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 14:40:58 -0500, nospam wrote: in some cases, a router *does* directly connect to the internet. By strict definition, a router receives a digital packet from one port, and uses that packet's destination address info to select which other port to sent it out of, thus 'routing' it to its destination. In the UK domestic 'routers' connect to a local Digital Subscriber Line Access Multiplexer (property of OpenReach) that routes your traffic to somewhere in your ISP's network before it hits the 'Internet'. The DSLAM is the equipment that places the DSL data onto the analog subscriber phone line, and is located somewhere between the phone switch and the subscriber. These days they are usually co-located on premise with the telephone switch. For outgoing data, the DSLAM takes the packet off of the DSL line and passes it on to the provider's router to send it off to its destination on the internet. |
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