Laptop DVD - SATA type desktop ?

Will a laptop DVD burner work in a SATA type desktop system ?

Thanks.

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:06:35 -0800 (PST), Andy
wrote:

Will a laptop DVD burner work in a SATA type desktop system ?


First, note that there's really no such thing as "a SATA type desktop
system." A desktop computer could have SATA on the motherboard or on
an add-in card, it could have IDE on the motherboard or on an add-in
card, or it could have both (for example, mine has both).

Second, the laptop's DVD drive could be SATA or IDE, depending on the
laptop.

So whether it would work depends on what kind of drive it is and what
support is on the desktop.

And also note that if the desktop computer doesn't have the kind of
support the drive needs, you can install an add-in card for it.

Andy wrote:
Will a laptop DVD burner work in a SATA type desktop system ?

Thanks.

Yes.

Laptop drives don't load down the 12V rail.
That's one difference.

On the connector front, sometimes the drives have
an adapter mated to the drive connector. And any object
like that has to be removed, before the drive can be
connected to a desktop.

This is different than IDE laptop drives, where sometimes
an adapter is needed to go from the higher pincount laptop
connector, to the pinout a desktop uses. SATA by comparison,
should be easier to figure out, and cable up.

Paul

Andy wrote:
Will a laptop DVD burner work in a SATA type desktop system ?

Thanks.

Maybe. It will likely need a Slimline SATA to SATA adaptor.

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 6:45:01 PM UTC-6, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:

Will a laptop DVD burner work in a SATA type desktop system ?



Thanks.



Yes.



Laptop drives don't load down the 12V rail.

That's one difference.



On the connector front, sometimes the drives have

an adapter mated to the drive connector. And any object

like that has to be removed, before the drive can be

connected to a desktop.



This is different than IDE laptop drives, where sometimes

an adapter is needed to go from the higher pincount laptop

connector, to the pinout a desktop uses. SATA by comparison,

should be easier to figure out, and cable up.



Paul

This is a pic of the DVD connector.

I can not figure out what connector would be needed. Link to
connector pic is below.

If I found the right connector, would it connect to an IDE port on the MB ?

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4c33885a.jpg

Andy

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:46:46 PM UTC-6, Andy wrote:
On Saturday, November 23, 2013 6:45:01 PM UTC-6, Paul wrote:

Andy wrote:



Will a laptop DVD burner work in a SATA type desktop system ?







Thanks.







Yes.







Laptop drives don't load down the 12V rail.



That's one difference.







On the connector front, sometimes the drives have



an adapter mated to the drive connector. And any object



like that has to be removed, before the drive can be



connected to a desktop.







This is different than IDE laptop drives, where sometimes



an adapter is needed to go from the higher pincount laptop



connector, to the pinout a desktop uses. SATA by comparison,



should be easier to figure out, and cable up.







Paul



This is a pic of the DVD connector.



I can not figure out what connector would be needed. Link to

connector pic is below.



If I found the right connector, would it connect to an IDE port on the MB ?



http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4c33885a.jpg



Andy

I am asking these question because I got a 64 bit partial system.

No hard drive yet, but it boots up o.k. but bios does not let you boot from
a pen drive. :-(

So for now, I can't run boot up an O.S. since I have no CD/DVD burner/player to boot from.

I have found a program to update the BIOS, maybe the newer version will allow pendrive bootups. :-)

Andy

Andy wrote:
On Saturday, November 23, 2013 6:45:01 PM UTC-6, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:

Will a laptop DVD burner work in a SATA type desktop system ?
Thanks.


Yes.



Laptop drives don't load down the 12V rail.

That's one difference.



On the connector front, sometimes the drives have

an adapter mated to the drive connector. And any object

like that has to be removed, before the drive can be

connected to a desktop.



This is different than IDE laptop drives, where sometimes

an adapter is needed to go from the higher pincount laptop

connector, to the pinout a desktop uses. SATA by comparison,

should be easier to figure out, and cable up.



Paul

This is a pic of the DVD connector.

I can not figure out what connector would be needed. Link to
connector pic is below.

If I found the right connector, would it connect to an IDE port on the MB ?

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4c33885a.jpg

Andy

Is that a 50 pin connector ?

http://pinouts.ru/DiskCables/cdrom_40to50_pinout.shtml

Perhaps you go 50 pin slim IDE to 44 pin IDE.

http://www.txcesssurplus.com/servlet...werEdge/Detail

then, 44 pin IDE to power cable + desktop_40_pin_IDE.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812196219

The 44 pin IDE has 2mm spacing. The 40 pin desktop has 0.1" spacing.

I don't know what spacing the 50 pin IDE has.

Apparently they also make an interposer that does the
conversion all in one shot.

http://www.idotpc.com/TheStore/pc/ca...cdradptbig.jpg

*******

This page has more examples. Mini ITX computer builds, tend to use
laptop optical drives to save space.

http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=5

Their mini-SATA cable, appears to be perhaps microSATA on
the left side, and desktop stuff on the right of the picture.

http://static.mini-itx.com/store/ima...-mini-sata.jpg

This is a picture of a microSATA on one end, and regular
SATA on the other end. For comparison to the previous picture.
Your laptop drive doesn't look like these. The connector
would need a discontinuity in the center.

http://www.cooldrives.com/media/cata...a-adapter5.jpg

Their 50 pin ones, come in two flavors. The top interposer
is a passive, and goes from 50 pin laptop to 40 pin desktop.
A separate four pin connector is used for power.

They have a second 50 pin one, which has a regulator chip
and an IDE to SATA conversion chip. That's an active adapter
that goes from 50 pin laptop IDE to SATA desktop.

So there are some adapters around. Just a matter of
finding a source close by.

Paul

"Andy" wrote in message ...
On Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:46:46 PM UTC-6, Andy wrote:
On Saturday, November 23, 2013 6:45:01 PM UTC-6, Paul wrote:

Andy wrote:
Will a laptop DVD burner work in a SATA type desktop system ?
Thanks.

Yes.
Laptop drives don't load down the 12V rail.
That's one difference.
On the connector front, sometimes the drives have
an adapter mated to the drive connector. And any object
like that has to be removed, before the drive can be
connected to a desktop.
This is different than IDE laptop drives, where sometimes
an adapter is needed to go from the higher pincount laptop
connector, to the pinout a desktop uses. SATA by comparison,
should be easier to figure out, and cable up.
Paul

This is a pic of the DVD connector.
I can not figure out what connector would be needed. Link to
connector pic is below.
If I found the right connector, would it connect to an IDE port on the MB ?
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4c33885a.jpg
Andy

I am asking these question because I got a 64 bit partial system.
No hard drive yet, but it boots up o.k. but bios does not let you boot from
a pen drive. :-(
So for now, I can't run boot up an O.S. since I have no CD/DVD burner/player to boot from.
I have found a program to update the BIOS, maybe the newer version will allow pendrive bootups. :-)
Andy

Yes can setup bios to run
a usb drive as a boot

Need name, Make and
model of Computer
will help as
help you

Andy wrote:


I am asking these question because I got a 64 bit partial system.

No hard drive yet, but it boots up o.k. but bios does not let you boot from
a pen drive. :-(

So for now, I can't run boot up an O.S. since I have no CD/DVD burner/player to boot from.

I have found a program to update the BIOS, maybe the newer version will allow pendrive bootups. :-)

Andy

Use the popup boot menu to boot from your pen drive.

For some reason, all popup boot menus tend to be decorated
like this. It's a BIOS function. You press a certain
function key to activate it. You use the cursor keys to navigate.
The function key, varies from motherboard brand to brand.
On my current machine, it is F8.

http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19127-01/...evice-Menu.gif

Popup boot menus have been supported for perhaps
eight years or so. Really old machines (my first
PC), don't have it. Not all USB2 PCs have it either.
So you can't predict purely on manufacture date,
as to whether support is present in the BIOS or not.

Paul

"Paul" wrote in message ...
Andy wrote:
I am asking these question because I got a 64 bit partial system.
No hard drive yet, but it boots up o.k. but bios does not let you boot from
a pen drive. :-(
So for now, I can't run boot up an O.S. since I have no CD/DVD burner/player to boot from.
I have found a program to update the BIOS, maybe the newer version will allow pendrive bootups. :-)
Andy
Use the popup boot menu to boot from your pen drive.
For some reason, all popup boot menus tend to be decorated
like this. It's a BIOS function. You press a certain
function key to activate it. You use the cursor keys to navigate.
The function key, varies from motherboard brand to brand.
On my current machine, it is F8.
http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19127-01/...evice-Menu.gif

Popup boot menus have been supported for perhaps
eight years or so. Really old machines (my first
PC), don't have it. Not all USB2 PCs have it either.
So you can't predict purely on manufacture date,
as to whether support is present in the BIOS or not.


Paul in my PC you have to turn
USB support in the BIOS
Before it can be seen in
the popup boot menus

But you are right on the Popup boot menus

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:55:50 AM UTC-6, Hot-Text wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message ...

Andy wrote:

I am asking these question because I got a 64 bit partial system.

No hard drive yet, but it boots up o.k. but bios does not let you boot from

a pen drive. :-(

So for now, I can't run boot up an O.S. since I have no CD/DVD burner/player to boot from.

I have found a program to update the BIOS, maybe the newer version will allow pendrive bootups. :-)

Andy

Use the popup boot menu to boot from your pen drive.

For some reason, all popup boot menus tend to be decorated

like this. It's a BIOS function. You press a certain

function key to activate it. You use the cursor keys to navigate.

The function key, varies from motherboard brand to brand.

On my current machine, it is F8.

http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19127-01/...evice-Menu.gif



Popup boot menus have been supported for perhaps

eight years or so. Really old machines (my first

PC), don't have it. Not all USB2 PCs have it either.

So you can't predict purely on manufacture date,

as to whether support is present in the BIOS or not.





Paul in my PC you have to turn

USB support in the BIOS

Before it can be seen in

the popup boot menus



But you are right on the Popup boot menus

What I found for the desktop that I am trying to bring back to life.

Compaq

PC SR5123 WM

Prod. # GC660A-ABA

When it had a hard drive, it had Vista.

64 bit AMD chip - (Cooling fan is as big as the case fan. )

Phoenix BIOS Dated 2007

I have a utility on a CD to scan and update the BIOS.

In the boot order, I did not see a USB boot option.

I saw a network interface as a pick which I have never seen. ?

This is pretty interesting learning experience.

Andy

Andy wrote:
On Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:55:50 AM UTC-6, Hot-Text wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message ...

Andy wrote:
I am asking these question because I got a 64 bit partial system.
No hard drive yet, but it boots up o.k. but bios does not let you boot from
a pen drive. :-(
So for now, I can't run boot up an O.S. since I have no CD/DVD burner/player to boot from.
I have found a program to update the BIOS, maybe the newer version will allow pendrive bootups. :-)
Andy
Use the popup boot menu to boot from your pen drive.
For some reason, all popup boot menus tend to be decorated
like this. It's a BIOS function. You press a certain
function key to activate it. You use the cursor keys to navigate.
The function key, varies from motherboard brand to brand.
On my current machine, it is F8.
http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19127-01/...evice-Menu.gif
Popup boot menus have been supported for perhaps
eight years or so. Really old machines (my first
PC), don't have it. Not all USB2 PCs have it either.
So you can't predict purely on manufacture date,
as to whether support is present in the BIOS or not.


Paul in my PC you have to turn

USB support in the BIOS

Before it can be seen in

the popup boot menus



But you are right on the Popup boot menus

What I found for the desktop that I am trying to bring back to life.

Compaq

PC SR5123 WM

Prod. # GC660A-ABA

When it had a hard drive, it had Vista.

64 bit AMD chip - (Cooling fan is as big as the case fan. )

Phoenix BIOS Dated 2007

I have a utility on a CD to scan and update the BIOS.

In the boot order, I did not see a USB boot option.

I saw a network interface as a pick which I have never seen. ?

This is pretty interesting learning experience.

Andy

It's six years old.

I can't find an example of popup boot info for the specific machine.
There is a suggestion here to press esc or F12, but I think F11 and
F12 on that machine, are for functions like recovery or BIOS setup.

http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Other-D...B/td-p/1272919

The SR5123 WM is modern enough (SATA, Vista), that kind of
feature should be there.

Sometimes, there are slight differences between entering the
BIOS and setting up the boot order. And using the popup boot
key. The popup boot key, when triggered, should show all
devices that the BIOS was able to register via Extended INT 0x13
disk reading capability. If the BIOS has a USB2 support module
(recognizes USB floppy, USB removable drive, USB fixed drive,
provides various emulation modes), then a USB device should
show up in the popup boot menu. I use this all the time
on my current machine, to boot from USB sticks. external USB
drive, USB floppy, etc. I haven't tried USB ZIP - I have one,
but never ever tried to put an OS on one.

Paul

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 8:51:53 AM UTC-6, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:55:50 AM UTC-6, Hot-Text wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message ...



Andy wrote:

I am asking these question because I got a 64 bit partial system.

No hard drive yet, but it boots up o.k. but bios does not let you boot from

a pen drive. :-(

So for now, I can't run boot up an O.S. since I have no CD/DVD burner/player to boot from.

I have found a program to update the BIOS, maybe the newer version will allow pendrive bootups. :-)

Andy

Use the popup boot menu to boot from your pen drive.

For some reason, all popup boot menus tend to be decorated

like this. It's a BIOS function. You press a certain

function key to activate it. You use the cursor keys to navigate.

The function key, varies from motherboard brand to brand.

On my current machine, it is F8.

http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19127-01/...evice-Menu.gif

Popup boot menus have been supported for perhaps

eight years or so. Really old machines (my first

PC), don't have it. Not all USB2 PCs have it either.

So you can't predict purely on manufacture date,

as to whether support is present in the BIOS or not.





Paul in my PC you have to turn



USB support in the BIOS



Before it can be seen in



the popup boot menus







But you are right on the Popup boot menus



What I found for the desktop that I am trying to bring back to life.



Compaq



PC SR5123 WM



Prod. # GC660A-ABA



When it had a hard drive, it had Vista.



64 bit AMD chip - (Cooling fan is as big as the case fan. )



Phoenix BIOS Dated 2007



I have a utility on a CD to scan and update the BIOS.



In the boot order, I did not see a USB boot option.



I saw a network interface as a pick which I have never seen. ?



This is pretty interesting learning experience.



Andy



It's six years old.



I can't find an example of popup boot info for the specific machine.

There is a suggestion here to press esc or F12, but I think F11 and

F12 on that machine, are for functions like recovery or BIOS setup.



http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Other-D...B/td-p/1272919



The SR5123 WM is modern enough (SATA, Vista), that kind of

feature should be there.



Sometimes, there are slight differences between entering the

BIOS and setting up the boot order. And using the popup boot

key. The popup boot key, when triggered, should show all

devices that the BIOS was able to register via Extended INT 0x13

disk reading capability. If the BIOS has a USB2 support module

(recognizes USB floppy, USB removable drive, USB fixed drive,

provides various emulation modes), then a USB device should

show up in the popup boot menu. I use this all the time

on my current machine, to boot from USB sticks. external USB

drive, USB floppy, etc. I haven't tried USB ZIP - I have one,

but never ever tried to put an OS on one.



Paul

Someone gave me 2 SATA drives that I will hopefully get today.

One has XP but it may not work if wasn't originally in my system.

I plan on just putting Puppy Slacko on it or test out some other Linux
varieties.

Maybe I will get lucky and a BIOS update will let the system boot from a pen drive.

From what I read, the 2 gigs of RAM it has is max which seems odd for a 64 bit
system with a AMD 64 CPU. ?

Andy

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 8:51:53 AM UTC-6, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:55:50 AM UTC-6, Hot-Text wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message ...



Andy wrote:

I am asking these question because I got a 64 bit partial system.

No hard drive yet, but it boots up o.k. but bios does not let you boot from

a pen drive. :-(

So for now, I can't run boot up an O.S. since I have no CD/DVD burner/player to boot from.

I have found a program to update the BIOS, maybe the newer version will allow pendrive bootups. :-)

Andy

Use the popup boot menu to boot from your pen drive.

For some reason, all popup boot menus tend to be decorated

like this. It's a BIOS function. You press a certain

function key to activate it. You use the cursor keys to navigate.

The function key, varies from motherboard brand to brand.

On my current machine, it is F8.

http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19127-01/...evice-Menu.gif

Popup boot menus have been supported for perhaps

eight years or so. Really old machines (my first

PC), don't have it. Not all USB2 PCs have it either.

So you can't predict purely on manufacture date,

as to whether support is present in the BIOS or not.





Paul in my PC you have to turn



USB support in the BIOS



Before it can be seen in



the popup boot menus







But you are right on the Popup boot menus



What I found for the desktop that I am trying to bring back to life.



Compaq



PC SR5123 WM



Prod. # GC660A-ABA



When it had a hard drive, it had Vista.



64 bit AMD chip - (Cooling fan is as big as the case fan. )



Phoenix BIOS Dated 2007



I have a utility on a CD to scan and update the BIOS.



In the boot order, I did not see a USB boot option.



I saw a network interface as a pick which I have never seen. ?



This is pretty interesting learning experience.



Andy



It's six years old.



I can't find an example of popup boot info for the specific machine.

There is a suggestion here to press esc or F12, but I think F11 and

F12 on that machine, are for functions like recovery or BIOS setup.



http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Other-D...B/td-p/1272919



The SR5123 WM is modern enough (SATA, Vista), that kind of

feature should be there.



Sometimes, there are slight differences between entering the

BIOS and setting up the boot order. And using the popup boot

key. The popup boot key, when triggered, should show all

devices that the BIOS was able to register via Extended INT 0x13

disk reading capability. If the BIOS has a USB2 support module

(recognizes USB floppy, USB removable drive, USB fixed drive,

provides various emulation modes), then a USB device should

show up in the popup boot menu. I use this all the time

on my current machine, to boot from USB sticks. external USB

drive, USB floppy, etc. I haven't tried USB ZIP - I have one,

but never ever tried to put an OS on one.



Paul

Thanks, I plugged in the pen drive with Slacko on it and it booted right up into Linux.

Doesn't like it has a wireless card.

Andy

Andy wrote:


Someone gave me 2 SATA drives that I will hopefully get today.

One has XP but it may not work if wasn't originally in my system.

I plan on just putting Puppy Slacko on it or test out some other Linux
varieties.

Maybe I will get lucky and a BIOS update will let the system boot from a pen drive.

From what I read, the 2 gigs of RAM it has is max which seems odd for a 64 bit
system with a AMD 64 CPU. ?

Andy

The memory is likely DDR400. Unbuffered (UDIMM) tops out at 1GB or so.
Two sticks in dual channel mode gives 2GB.

Devices like AMD Opteron can handle RDIMMs and x4 (nibble wide) chips.
And have ECC operating with ChipKill protection. You get higher
capacities that way (server designs). And then you're in 64 bit country.

AMD tends to put common features across the chip families of the
same generation. Since they needed certain features for the
Opteron, the desktop tends to get them for free.

Intel is a bit more stingy, having created some
Core2 processor with VT-X and some without VT-X.
Later, some processors with SLAT and some without. Intel
plays these games, to screw over customers like me.
With AMD, I'm more likely to get whatever is going
around in that generation.

When AMD product lists have "weird" processors,
like something with 3 cores, or a 64 bit family
with some 32 bit members, that could be done
for yield reasons. It's not a statement about
architecture, as much as it's a matter of
"what do we do with these less than perfect processors".
If the appropriate switches are in place in the processor,
they can switch off stuff with defects, bin the processor
into a lower price bucket, and still give the customer
a functional processor. In a 4-core family, that's
where the 3-core processors come from.

Paul