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On 02/17/2016 12:04 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 12:42 PM, philo wrote: On 02/17/2016 10:29 AM, Slimer wrote: My experiences with me, even the most recent, has shown otherwise. ReactOS has nothing to do with Linux, X' snipped but read It was pure folly to install a new OS by blowing the old one away. When I try something new, I usually install on an expendable machine. Or else disconnect the hard drive and put in another where I can experiment. Sixteen years ago Linux was a lot harder to figure out, but today I find it pretty easy. If you don't like it, don't use it. No one cares. |
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ReactOS
On 02/17/2016 10:58 AM, Stef wrote:
/less wrote: Try the live cd, it's fun! http://distrowatch.com/ http://www.reactos.org/ Been following its development for some years now just out of curiousity. If it ever reaches "final release" status, will it run my old Windows 2000 or XP apps? Didn't think so. That's much of the reason that many don't upgrade to newer Windows: the excessive cost of to replace all that perfectly good, working, still useful software. Stef One reason I still keep an XP installation....software I would not be able to transfer to another machine...or if so, difficult. |
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On 2016-02-17 1:35 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/17/2016 12:04 PM, Slimer wrote: On 2016-02-17 12:42 PM, philo wrote: On 02/17/2016 10:29 AM, Slimer wrote: My experiences with me, even the most recent, has shown otherwise. ReactOS has nothing to do with Linux, X' snipped but read It was pure folly to install a new OS by blowing the old one away. It had been imaged the day before. To be honest, I have a backup of the default state and had one of the most recent state. I am very cautious in general but had no reason to believe that Macrium had corrupted my image (if that's actually what happened). When I try something new, I usually install on an expendable machine. Or else disconnect the hard drive and put in another where I can experiment. Except that I needed to see how Linux kernel 4.4 works on my hardware, not on another's. Sixteen years ago Linux was a lot harder to figure out, but today I find it pretty easy. If you don't like it, don't use it. No one cares. Sure. However, I would rather prevent the toiletware from claiming another victim. -- Slimer OpenMedia & EFF Member / Conservative Party of Canada, IFAW, PETA & Mozilla Supporter After several serious attempts at using Linux, I can honestly say that the word is synonymous with garbage. |
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On 02/17/2016 12:38 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 1:35 PM, philo wrote: On 02/17/2016 12:04 PM, Slimer wrote: On 2016-02-17 12:42 PM, philo wrote: On 02/17/2016 10:29 AM, Slimer wrote: My experiences with me, even the most recent, has shown otherwise. ReactOS has nothing to do with Linux, X' snipped but read It was pure folly to install a new OS by blowing the old one away. It had been imaged the day before. To be honest, I have a backup of the default state and had one of the most recent state. I am very cautious in general but had no reason to believe that Macrium had corrupted my image (if that's actually what happened). When I try something new, I usually install on an expendable machine. Or else disconnect the hard drive and put in another where I can experiment. Except that I needed to see how Linux kernel 4.4 works on my hardware, not on another's. Ok fine... Then considering how inexpensive hard drives are, just pop one in place of the one(s) you were using. I literally have boxes of spare drives I can fool with... |
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On 2016-02-17 1:42 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/17/2016 12:38 PM, Slimer wrote: On 2016-02-17 1:35 PM, philo wrote: On 02/17/2016 12:04 PM, Slimer wrote: On 2016-02-17 12:42 PM, philo wrote: On 02/17/2016 10:29 AM, Slimer wrote: My experiences with me, even the most recent, has shown otherwise. ReactOS has nothing to do with Linux, X' snipped but read It was pure folly to install a new OS by blowing the old one away. It had been imaged the day before. To be honest, I have a backup of the default state and had one of the most recent state. I am very cautious in general but had no reason to believe that Macrium had corrupted my image (if that's actually what happened). When I try something new, I usually install on an expendable machine. Or else disconnect the hard drive and put in another where I can experiment. Except that I needed to see how Linux kernel 4.4 works on my hardware, not on another's. Ok fine... Then considering how inexpensive hard drives are, just pop one in place of the one(s) you were using. I literally have boxes of spare drives I can fool with... Linux has already wasted my time, it doesn't need to waste my money. -- Slimer OpenMedia & EFF Member / Conservative Party of Canada, IFAW, PETA & Mozilla Supporter After several serious attempts at using Linux, I can honestly say that the word is synonymous with garbage. |
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On 02/17/2016 12:35 PM, Slimer wrote:
als, howtos, etc. I was tested as having a 140 IQ when I was 22. Meanwhile, I am smarter now than I have ever been in my past. Don't question my intelligence at refusing to use an operating system which demands that I jump through hoops just to get it working properly; question yourself for having such low standards and self-esteem as to accept such mediocrity on your hardware. You proved you are a dummy because IQ does not change that much with age, but if at all, it goes down. I do not know what my IQ is but am sure it's under 140 If I can use Linux I'm anyone can. You are basically just too lazy to learn. Because it works differently from Windows, many Linux newbies think it's broken. |
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Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-16 11:34 PM, /less wrote: Try the live cd, it's fun! http://distrowatch.com/ http://www.reactos.org/ I installed Linux two days ago... it ignored my RAID and once installed, froze after going to sleep and prevented Steam from working at all after an update. To say the least, mediocre software doesn't deserve to be run in general. Did you research what distro that Steam gamers are using ? My guess is, you picked the wrong distro for this. Remember that some distros have a relatively small team of people working on them. Or, the "scope" of the project is way too big, and the fit and finish ends up lacking. While people may have issues with the direction Ubuntu is taking, if I needed something to work, I might start there (their Repository is in good shape). But I'm saying that, without collecting the opinion of Steam users, and Linux Steam users are likely to already have identified a good distro for the purpose. The idea being, gaming is #1, and all other considerations are secondary. Their game might always work, but maybe some other thing is less than perfect. And as for running a RAID, did you do any reading on the topic first ? If I had a RAID, I wouldn't just "whap in a copy of Linux" and expect a miracle. Usually some pre-install reading is in order, even with other OSes, to achieve the best outcome. For example, some RAID packages support "migration", you can install the OS on a single disk, then "migrate" to a RAID 0/1/5 config, and the RAID rebuilds while you work. But for that to happen, first you'd have to realize the brand of RAID supports migration, and you learn that by reading. I can think of at least two RAID implementations, where extra effort was put into software RAID migration for the array. Paul |
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On 2016-02-17 2:06 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/17/2016 12:35 PM, Slimer wrote: als, howtos, etc. I was tested as having a 140 IQ when I was 22. Meanwhile, I am smarter now than I have ever been in my past. Don't question my intelligence at refusing to use an operating system which demands that I jump through hoops just to get it working properly; question yourself for having such low standards and self-esteem as to accept such mediocrity on your hardware. You proved you are a dummy because IQ does not change that much with age, but if at all, it goes down. Your mathematical skill improves with age as does your logic. I disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment. I do not know what my IQ is but am sure it's under 140 If I can use Linux I'm anyone can. Nice self-nuke there. You are basically just too lazy to learn. I can use every distribution on the planet. I have more trouble with Arch but it's because the package manager is not my favourite but otherwise I'm fine. I have the technical skills to get it working, but I don't have the patience to tolerate it not working in the manner that it is supposed to. Because it works differently from Windows, many Linux newbies think it's broken. Yeah, that must be it. -- Slimer OpenMedia & EFF Member / Conservative Party of Canada, IFAW, PETA & Mozilla Supporter After several serious attempts at using Linux, I can honestly say that the word is synonymous with garbage. |
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On 2016-02-17 2:13 PM, Paul wrote:
Slimer wrote: On 2016-02-16 11:34 PM, /less wrote: Try the live cd, it's fun! http://distrowatch.com/ http://www.reactos.org/ I installed Linux two days ago... it ignored my RAID and once installed, froze after going to sleep and prevented Steam from working at all after an update. To say the least, mediocre software doesn't deserve to be run in general. Did you research what distro that Steam gamers are using ? My guess is, you picked the wrong distro for this. Typical Linux user response. There should be no handicap to a Linux user who chooses Sabayon over Debian; they should all work in the same manner. The fact that they don't highlights one of the many problems with Linux. Remember that some distros have a relatively small team of people working on them. Or, the "scope" of the project is way too big, and the fit and finish ends up lacking. While people may have issues with the direction Ubuntu is taking, if I needed something to work, I might start there (their Repository is in good shape). But I'm saying that, without collecting the opinion of Steam users, and Linux Steam users are likely to already have identified a good distro for the purpose. The idea being, gaming is #1, and all other considerations are secondary. Their game might always work, but maybe some other thing is less than perfect. And as for running a RAID, did you do any reading on the topic first ? If I had a RAID, I wouldn't just "whap in a copy of Linux" and expect a miracle. Usually some pre-install reading is in order, even with other OSes, to achieve the best outcome. For example, some RAID packages support "migration", you can install the OS on a single disk, then "migrate" to a RAID 0/1/5 config, and the RAID rebuilds while you work. But for that to happen, first you'd have to realize the brand of RAID supports migration, and you learn that by reading. I can think of at least two RAID implementations, where extra effort was put into software RAID migration for the array. Good points but I don't respect an operating system which, in 2016, still doesn't recognize what the Hell a RAID is. It's a very old technology so it's surprising that some distributions would ignore it entirely. -- Slimer OpenMedia & EFF Member / Conservative Party of Canada, IFAW, PETA & Mozilla Supporter After several serious attempts at using Linux, I can honestly say that the word is synonymous with garbage. |
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Paul wrote on 2016/02/17:
less wrote: Try the live cd, it's fun! http://distrowatch.com/ http://www.reactos.org/ No need to download it. You can learn about it here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReactOS They've been working on ReactOS since 1998. 18 years later and all they have, at best, is alphaware. Crash, crash, crash. Nowhere ready for public consumption. Play with it if you want to donate your QA effort to their project. They could use a *lot* more alpha testers. Go volunteer your time and a spare computer to their cause. What else have you got to do? (rolls eyes) |
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On 02/17/2016 01:45 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 2:06 PM, philo wrote: On 02/17/2016 12:35 PM, Slimer wrote: als, howtos, etc. I was tested as having a 140 IQ when I was 22. Meanwhile, I am smarter now than I have ever been in my past. Don't question my intelligence at refusing to use an operating system which demands that I jump through hoops just to get it working properly; question yourself for having such low standards and self-esteem as to accept such mediocrity on your hardware. You proved you are a dummy because IQ does not change that much with age, but if at all, it goes down. Your mathematical skill improves with age as does your logic. I disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment. Maybe you are getting smarter with age but I am sure getting dumber... at any rate I find Linux easy enough to figure out...but if I have to strain a bit at times, it's always been a good learning experience. If you are as smart as you claim to be, yet cannot figure things out then what's left is that you are lazy. Here is a poem I wrote today: I LOVE LOVE LOVE, The 21st Century! I LOVE LOVE LOVE, My iPhone! I LOVE LOVE LOVE, Facebook! I can talk to my friends, Any place on earth. How did you survive, Back then? We spoke to our neighbors. |
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On 02/17/2016 01:29 PM, Yrrah wrote:
Slimer : I installed Linux two days ago... Really? Which distro? it ignored my RAID and once installed, froze after going to sleep and prevented Steam from working at all after an update. To say the least, mediocre software doesn't deserve to be run in general. Linux distros are not for mediocre people with mediocre minds who don't think and don't read manuals, howtos, etc. Yrrah Linux is for the seriously curious -- Caver1 |
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Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 1:10 AM, John Q. Public wrote: Slimer wrote: 1. Run Linux LiveCD, enjoy what I'm using. 2. Attempt to install Linux. For whatever reason, it doesn't see my RAID and forces me to use my two SSDs as separate drives rather than just one. 3. Install Linux anyway and am pleased to discover that all of the hardware works. Don't mind that startup goes from taking 8 seconds to about 60. 4. Run Steam, it asks to update. 5. Update the whole computer. 6. Steam suddenly doesn't load at all. 7. Try to restore the Macrium Reflect image of my previous Windows 10 install: it fails (apparently because the RAID I re-created is different even though the settings are identical. However, it claims that the image is corrupted). 8. Try to restore my computer's image of Windows 8.1 OS install, created when I purchased the machine. It fails as well. 9. Out of desperate, try to restore an image of the whole computer and risk losing all of my data. Luckily, it works without deleting the data I was careful to put on a separate drive. 10. Partitions are suddenly out of whack even though the RAID was for two M.2 SSD drives totaling 240GB. Everything works but EaseUS is used to correct the partitions and bring everything back to normal. Windows 10? No wonder you had problems. With Windows 8.1 and 10, my computer boots to the desktop in about 8 seconds and is completely ready for action after about 20. In Linux, one whole minute and the icons in KDE still hadn't appeared. Not only that but if my display turned off in Linux (kernel 4.4 btw), it froze the computer. That is definitely not what I would consider to be quality. Try installing Linux with Windows 10 nowhere near the machine. Linux is like a Chrysler car; if it is anywhere near something better, it breaks down and leaves you stranded on the highway. And when you do, install Linux Mint Mate and then get back to us with your stereotypes, biases and ignorance. The typical answer of a Linux loser: you chose the wrong one of our hundreds of distributions. #371 is the right one. BTW, Windows 10 is more of a store than an operating system. Be prepared to pay rent soon. We'll see. If that happens, I'd still rather pay whatever Microsoft asks. Another Windows loser that's lost his ability to think logically. -- John Q. Public |
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On 2016-02-17, Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 2:13 PM, Paul wrote: Slimer wrote: On 2016-02-16 11:34 PM, /less wrote: Try the live cd, it's fun! http://distrowatch.com/ http://www.reactos.org/ I installed Linux two days ago... it ignored my RAID and once installed, froze after going to sleep and prevented Steam from working at all after an update. To say the least, mediocre software doesn't deserve to be run in general. Sorry to hear that. That is not usual. Not sure what you mean "ignored my Raid". No idea what Steam is. You give no details so you are going to get no help. Did you research what distro that Steam gamers are using ? My guess is, you picked the wrong distro for this. Typical Linux user response. There should be no handicap to a Linux user who chooses Sabayon over Debian; they should all work in the same manner. The fact that they don't highlights one of the many problems with Linux. And what is the excuse that every version of Windows works differently? migration for the array. Good points but I don't respect an operating system which, in 2016, still doesn't recognize what the Hell a RAID is. It's a very old ?? Linux has done raid for 20 years by now. technology so it's surprising that some distributions would ignore it entirely. some people want it some people want to use their disks for other things than speed or duplication. |
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On 2/17/2016 11:06 AM, philo wrote:
You are basically just too lazy to learn. Because it works differently from Windows, many Linux newbies think it's broken. It's not that it works differently. You can learn to use something different if it works. Problem is that they can't figger out HOW to make it work. Or they reached their frustration limit. If a mere mortal can't make it work, it's broken. Linux is a great bunch of parts. But it's packaged as an onion of frustration. Fix one thing and there's another layer right beneath. Then somebody changes the onion altogether so you get to start over. You wanna see what desktop linux could be, go download macpup 5.29. The damn thing just works. You don't have to try to understand what nouveau is. You don't have to learn about windows networking to talk to your windows network. I could go on and on and on about the frustrations new users would never encounter with puppy. Puppy is built with the USER in mind. Most desktop linux distros are built with the developer in mind...all zillion of them at cross purposes. |
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