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  #46  
Old August 8th 04, 09:42 PM
+-J
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Default 127.0.0.3 of The RIOT ACT


Chad,

| two ocassions on these groups when MSFT OK'd posting up an attachment and posting in html (one wasn't a public group) and one was
a word group for the purpose of being able to review verbose logs.
+
Chad to Kelly:
On one of the Office groups, because there have been an epidemic of problems installing Office 2003 SP1 requiring the Resource

Kit tools and interpretation of Hotfix_MSI logs, MSFT has encouraged posting attachments of the logs.


You did not pay attention to their reasons for doing so.
Without even having seen those two announcements, I am confidently able to inform you that it is so in order that:-

- Executable text-formatted files such as .(S|J)HTM(L), .VBS, .JS and .REG (yes, remember those *.REG files?) may be *downloaded*
and safely examined in a TEXT Editor by those who wish to do so, and *not* be a bandwidth-burden on those who wish *not* to do so.

- Encoded files such as MS Office *.DOC and *.XLS, Adobe *.PDF, Multimedia such as *.JPEG and *.MPEG, *binary* executables such as
*.EXE may be attached rather than "inserted" into posts for bandwidth reasons.

- Same applies to those "VERBOSE logs" which are most likely plain-text (i.e. *not* HTML) files anyway.

As for "MSFT OK'd posting in html" - their websites are over-bloated, they foist "Smart Tags" on us, etc.
Exactly what did they about "posting in html"?

You are also now referring to the use of ATTACHMENTs.
This has *nothing* to do with posting in HTML, (which is what started this off-topic {but interesting, nonetheless} discussion.)
ATTACHMENTs are downloaded separately.


| What's the problem for people if you use italics or a bold or underlined word?

Nothing wrong, per se. It is *how* you do it.

USENET Etiqette:
*bold*, /italic/ and _underlined_
ALL CAPS IS SHOUTING!


| I can understand ...

Yet in the very same post you wrote...
||--(I'm not sure what that means ...

So, are you really, absolutely, positively sure at this point in time?


| Plato found that paste from Kelly's site small, and it gave his eyes a "workout"
|--that I call normal physiology.

Which is what Plato complained about...

Plato:
Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that is even smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.


So you replied...

Chad to Plato--
This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets is to use
the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you see here.
Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:
Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...smallertxt.reg
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm


YOU you are passing the buck TO Plato!

Also, your use of the word "rheostat' here is inappropriate. Only a person with electrical knowledge would comprehend what you were
attempting to convey. However, the entire sentence reads as superior nonsense. I believe you really meant "INconvenience"

To be continued...
---
Jan


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  #47  
Old August 8th 04, 10:13 PM
+-J
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Default 127.0.0.4 of The RIOT ACT


"Chad| Particularly given David Candy's comments above (this being a binary group).

*All* of these groups (graciously provided free of charge by Microsoft) are of type binary.
You *are* able to attach files, insert Multimedia files and post in HTML - the same as in eMails.
However, this does *not* mean that you *should* actually do any of these things, either willy-nilly or at all.

[ For the benefit of anyone still reading this mini-series via the web interface, the aforementioned options are not available to
you ]

David Candy posts in HTML only when appropriate, e.g. when posting a technical document which contains tables which might be
scrambled if posted in TEXT mode. David does *not* abuse the use of HTML.


If you drive a car which is capable of driving at twice the legal speed limit on a public road, would you drive at twice that
speed, just because you strongly believe that you are able to do so safely?


| I thought that rich text was conceived for the same good reason that there are multiple fonts.

Just like spammers think that the existence of the eMail system is a good reason for sending spam through it.

Just like script kiddies think that the existence of insecure websites is a good reason for hacking those sites.

Multiple fonts have evolved since the first visible document was produced.
The use of these was under the control of professional publishers until the introducton of "Desktop Publishing" and "Font Creation"
software on personal computers, and the uncontrolled publishing of "eye candy" on the Internet.


What are YOUR "good" reasons for rich text and multiple fonts?

I filter out the following from most of the websites that I visit:

- STYLE, FONT elements and attributes, LINKed stylesheets and META charsets

- COLOR attributes

I view posts in OE in TEXT mode (no HTML markup)


| 2) What was Kelly's point about testing in note pad first.
| Testing what? For why? A hyperlink in note pad for what reason?

Kelly wrote:
Whenever you copy and paste from a website
- paste it into Notepad first,
then copy and paste again.


Kelly wrote *nothing* about "testing".

Pasting HTML into a TEXT post converts that entire post into HTML.

However, pasting HTML into Notepad (or your favourite TEXT-editor or Word-Processor in TEXT-mode) first, will strip the HTML
markup. *Then* copy the resulting TEXT *from* Notepad and paste *into* OE.


PS: "There is *no* spoon!" [Matrix reloaded]

There is no "html bar".

Chad to Kelly:
The html bar I'm seeing as explicitly and expressly as I can convey it is native to OE (and as you say a component of IE/XP) and

it shows up if I click FormatRich texthtml.

If you really had changed that setting as often as you claim to have done, you should have noticed that the menu-item which you
mention actually reads as "Rich Text (HTML)".

Also, that ficticious bar does *not* appear when replying to a HTML post, provided that...

Tools | Options | /Read\
[Y] "Read all messages in plain text"

Tools | Options | /Send\
[_] 'Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent'

One of your three random replies to "127.0.0.1 of The RIOT ACT" is in HTML.
Reread your parent post and then reread those three replies.
See if you can make any sense out of what you wrote.

You still insist on telling others what THEY should or should not do, yet YOU cannot be told anything, and you believe that YOU
have been misunderstood and/or wronged.

In your reply to Ms. Tick in the thread titled "Windows Media Player, Help needed!" you ended with...
Some has done been more beta and some has done been less.


Is this university-speak?
Would you be so kind as to translate this into standard English?

Finally, are you a gifted child?
---
Jan


  #48  
Old August 9th 04, 05:59 AM
Chad Harris
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Default HTML in Newsgroups

I'm not sure what these refer to:

"What?

Well, Chad is it?"
---
Jan

but if you mean change in format strips the pasted html as David and
Incognitus just said, changing format causes stripping fer sure.

Chad
__________________________________________________ _______



"+-J" wrote in message
...

What?

Well, Chad is it?
---
Jan

"Incognitus" wrote:
| Thanks David, I wasn't arguing whether are not the setting would or
wouldn't
| strip pasted html, but rather to the fact that I didn't say it would, even
| if it does.
|
| "David Candy" wrote in message
| ...
| Cause it will strip pasted html. One would need to change the format to
html
| to keep the pasted html.
| The strip happens when the mail is sent.
| --
| ----------------------------------------------------------
| 'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
| http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...392635123.html
|
| "Incognitus" wrote in message
| ...
| Where did I suggest that this setting would strip pasted HTML, where did
I
| even comment on copy, pasting or even Notepad for that matter?
|
| I intentionally snipped everything except the part I replied to, which
| was:
| "I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in
| when
| I get ready to reply and I don't know why."
|
| Which will happen when the setting I mentioned is checked and you're
| replying to a HTML message.
|
| BTW, those "*" in your reply, are they head jerks? =)
|
|
| "+-J" wrote in message
| ...
| Incognitus,
|
| This setting will *not* strip HTML markup from "pasted HTML".
| However, pasting HTML into Notepad first *will* strip the HTML markup.
| Then copy the resulting TEXT from Notepad into OE.
| ---
| Jan
|
|
| "Incognitus" wrote:
| |
| | "Chad Harris" wrote:
| | Kelly--
| | I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar
kicks
| in
| when I get ready to reply and I don't know why.
| |
| |
| | Tools | Options | Send and uncheck 'Reply to messages using the
format
| in which they were sent'
|
|
|
|


  #49  
Old August 9th 04, 08:34 AM
Chad Harris
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Default 127.0.0.2 of The RIOT ACT/Jan has done used real big spooky words again!

Jan--

"Let's just say...there's a time and place for HTML and that time for the HTML formatting toolbar is now, but all I see are clickable hyperlinks and that fictional bar. I figured since you confirmed it's fictional, then I'm not really seein' it under subject "The RIOT ACT." But you didn't shout "the." Thank heavins fer small favors." I got that catchy phrase from the girl in the commercial for something I'm still trying to figure out--but it's on almost as much as them political candidates and all those swoosh sounds on Paula Zahn and CNN imported straight from the Columbia School of Journalism. Let's just say she's happy because of a new brand of soft drink? popcorn? Is Levitra from Levitown,Long Island like Bill O'Reilly??

This should illustrate the judicious use of html. I don't see anything that doesn't look the same as in plain text. The hyperlinks are clickable in either. Sometimes they look violet/magenta and other times they look blue. Maybe you will tell me why they are one or the other. Something to look forward to.

These here riot acts are multiplyin' like rabbits who watched that Levitra commerical--you know the one where the nice girl starts with the smug grin like she had a superlative meal or one of them real sweet green apples, and says "Let's just say..." She say's "Let's just say.." so many times I just can't figure out what she's hintin' about. TV keepin' secrets from me all mah life. Euphimism is bliss in the bunkers of Madison Avenue I guess.

You be here with * three(3) riot acts.* Can we eagerly look forward to them multiplying in a binary way? Do good riot acts come in threes or is it "three riot acts you're out."

3 now, then 9 and ...lots more where them first 3 riot acts hatched. At least now there's someplace to go for a laugh--polish these things up and Letterman, Jay, Colin, Craig or John Stewart may be burnin' up your phone.

So Bill and Paul conceived Windows so Jan could post multiple concommitant riot acts and you could put them up all at once. I knew they rode their bikes to the big iron company in Seattle as teenagers for a reason.

The nuance of how many words go nuts might be in some parts of the world is a quantum leap too sophisticated for me--plus the psychiatric implications. You aren't referring to puns or double entendres here are you?

The reference to file extensions is mildly interesting, but not even light years close to being on point as to why MSFT appropriately condoned html. The did it for the reasons that print media does it--it's visually and neurologically easier to assimilate and organize, and has more aesthetic value.

I referenced attachments because the bandwidth argument as well as a security argument is used against attachments being posted on these public groups. Attachments are posted on many other XP groups, and the assumption is that minimal security precautions can guard against viewing them. MSFT had no trouble inviting them when they felt logs should be attached to solve the recent Office SP1 installation problems that were a mild epidemic.


Exactly what did they about "posting in html"? I can't quote exactly what they said, because as I said before, it wasn't a public group. But despite your scepticism, I paraphrased it aptly and accurately. They said that if you thought it could be visually or conceptually helpful, to go for it--on those groups. Kelly and many others have access to the comment I feel sure. Anybody with an MSDN subscription would as well.

I don't recall using all caps unless caps were used in a file path. I think the only recent time was when I pasted your shouting in all caps. I understand: shouting feels good so you do it.

"ALL CAPS IS SHOUTING!"--and Jan feels better.

"So, are you really, absolutely, positively sure at this point in time?"

I'm only sure that nothing is certain, and that politicians in my country bank on the bell shaped curve of the population being consummately stupid and unwilling to read anything--but able to watch reality TV.

No, I wasn't passing the buck to Plato. Actually, I was mentioning moves that help me visually because I need for print to be larger. There was a post a couple days ago on trying to get fonts large because someone said they were visually challenged or had a visual problem whichever is more Usenet Etiquetesquely correct. In my country there is a mandatory use quotient of 3 times per week for that adverb.

I'm afraid I have to disagree with your context of the word rheostat. I don't think it requires any degree of electrical sophistication or a knowledge of the physics of electricity. I have a firm grasp of "what I really meant." Again, I really meant convenience and you should try the accessibility check in "ignore all fonts on specified web pages." It was a tip I got early on, and it works very well for the people I've passed it on to or who already use it.

I think almost anyone who grew up in my part of the world is familiar with rheostat. "Yo--Ashley you get down here right now and rheostat that _________ light or is it "lahht" down. We all done heard it. Or "Ahm gonna rheostat the throttle on this here lawn mower up a notch so it kin stop missin' all thet grass."

"Superior nonsense" in this context is one of the more bizarre oxymorons I've ever seen, but I understand I ain't got all that book learnin' like you. Superior nonsense?? Nope. Just a nice way to mouse scroll the font to a size that's comfortable. It ain't like it's diggin' ditches to scroll a mouse is it?

I think passing the buck (some responsibility to control his visual environment) to Plato is one of the most constructive concepts you've had.

" YOU you are passing the buck TO Plato!" And there Jan, you have done shouted real loudly again." You like to scream.



Again, all the times I posted in html that started these rants, I did it by accident in that I didn't believe if I weren't using html anywhere in the text anyone would see or be inconvenienced by the impact of html. I explained that in my answer to Kelly. I'm still not sure about that and Kelly didn't respond. Maybe all these riot acts hurt her eyes, or (and I'd have to check on this) there may be a finite level of your "Riot Acts" before someone seizes. Isn't it true that analagous to photosensitive epilepsy:


"The likelihood of a seizure, as well as its type, in photosensitive individuals depends on the intensity, the contrast of the visual stimulus, and the specific frequency of flashing. Extensive EEG studies have shown that a flicker stimuli between 10 and 30 flashes per second induces the generalized epileptiform discharges and the clinical features characteristic of an epileptic seizure particularly well. Television, computer, and video game screens produce a 50 Hz flicker and a vibrating pattern at half the alternating-current frequency, or 25 flashes per second within the 10 to 30 flashes per second range. The vibrating pattern is only visible when sitting close to the television. Therefore, most television-induced seizures occur at viewing distances between 1.5 and two meters. 100 Hertz televisions cause a vibrating pattern of 50 flashes per second and do not induce seizures."

Trenite, D.G.A. Video Game Epilepsy. The Lancet. October 22, 1994


that your Riot Acts can induce seizure as well?

You know, Jan, I wouldn't have brought this up, your analogy is not even tangentially close.

"If you drive a car which is capable of driving at twice the legal speed limit on a public road, would you drive at twice that speed, just because you strongly believe that you are able to do so safely?"

*Jan--when you was studyin' The Art of Analogy 101--was you on one of them Pass-Fail Systems with a very empathetic sympathetic teacher?* Do you mind sharing? Did you get above D+ in that class? Not your major was it?

I don't subscribe to this concept, but the bell shaped curve of people where I live do. The mean speed on highways in my town was clocked recently in 3 days for 8 hours each day as 87 mph. That's smokin', and when you 'round the curve and have a 170 (mostly truck) pile up you begin to understand why people stood up at a major league baseball game and cheered when it was announced their schools were dead last in education for 3 years straigth.

In my neck of the woods, in the last 10 years there have been the growth of these mammoth trucks designed (poorly) to go off road. There are 7 times as many of them as there were 5 years ago. The consume exponentially more gas. Many of us call the "Humpty Dumpty trucks." Close to me, they kill several people a week who are occupants of them when they slide off the road. They kill several hundred people close to me a year, and I reckon you can do that math.

The head of the NTSB (a transportation safety agency) in my country spent 20 years as an ER doc. He found the humpties in 6 independent studies to cause 16 X the number of fatal accidents when they crashed alone, and nearly 27 times the number when they were involved with a small car or a non-humptie dumpty. They cause my country to make even more profound safety concessions because they are dependent on fuel from outside the country. There are multiple Canadian studies that parallel the studies in my country almost verbatim.

http://tinyurl.com/42tod


"Just like spammers think that the existence of the eMail system is a good reason for sending spam through it."

No Jan. Not even close. Any superficial, 3rd rate study of spammers shows that it ain't about the existence of the email system. It's about the money. Spammers would send Lady Godiva backwards on a limping donkey if they thought it would be significantly more profitable to fill your in box with commercials for all those prostheses that I am still trying to get decent information on. They must be incredibly helpful, because there are so many people selling them--it must translate to a huge market niche--or else an inordinate amount of people slam dunked from turnip trucks onto their heads when they were little.

"Just like script kiddies think that the existence of insecure websites is a good reason for hacking those sites."

No Jan. You are confusing script kiddies with White Knights or people who get caught hacking seriously and become Security IT Professionals to maximize their job potential.

Multiple fonts have evolved since the first visible document was produced. The use of these was under the control of professional publishers until the introducton of "Desktop Publishing" and "Font Creation" [used in] software on personal computers."

You make my point well, here. But that reference to "eye candy" sounds so downright postively sinful like that girl in the Superbowl halftime who threatened the systemic destruction of the very "fabric of society" and shook the very roots of the Universe, I just get nervous thinking about the eye candy. Where I come from, they say it causes severe brain damage and it may have.

"What are YOUR "good" reasons for rich text and multiple fonts?"

I thought I gave them. Anything including neurology, integration from the occipital cortex to the frontal cortex while the impulses take that winding road, and aesthetics would get the idea across for me. It jest looks prettier--much more prettier, and it emphasizes salient points in a cogent format.

"I filter out the following from most of the websites that I visit:

- STYLE, FONT elements and attributes, LINKed stylesheets and META charsets

- COLOR attributes"

Thanks a heap for sharing. And if you use Linux or one of a number of operating systems without all that eye candy that I've grown fond enough of to change skins and font colors and styles on my gui every half hour, then you won't have to fend with all of that in the first place.

There also are ways to give Windows XP, Longhorn, and Blackcomb a Windows 3.1 look. Or you can use Windows 3.1. Many sites allow the download, and I think MSFT graciously is not going to pursue it, and it's legal to download 3.1 right now.

"However, pasting HTML into Notepad (or your favourite TEXT-editor or Word-Processor in TEXT-mode) first, will strip the HTML markup. *Then* copy the resulting TEXT *from* Notepad and paste *into* OE."

That's absolutely fab, Jan. But even if that ominous html formatting bar is under the "Subject" line in OE, if all you'r posting is a clickable hyperlink, then what is it that requires Notepad's stripping. I mean again, the only thing in the text is a url to some site. You don't want to and don't I believe, strip the clickability which I think even you will conceded has pragmatic results.

Unless I can't remember, Kelly always signs her posts with links to her site, and the more people who get those links down, the better the world will be. Many people use links, last I checked and the links have been the source of some great information and terrific sites for me.

Again, I didn't think I was giving anyone anything in html but a link. The only thing I noticed was that the format of the newsgroup would post a link to the poster's email address or fake email address so that it was clickable.

PS: "There is *no* spoon!" [Matrix reloaded]

Matrix mania was not something that gripped me. I suspect the majority of Matrix fanatics did it for the inclusion and to feel cool then out of genuine enjoyment but just my opinion. So the ref is lost on me.

There is no "html bar". Hey Jan, you've already shown that you enjoy a little delusion in your life and that's cool with me. You can call it J-Lo's Business Suit if you want. But Microsoft calls it the "html formatting bar"--or Dr. Bryan Pfaffenberger and his editorial team call it that in the last MS Press fat book on IE and OE. You didn't give him that cutting edge name Phaffenblog for his blog did you? He has some html books, Jan--not to early to write Santa your wish list.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...46546?v=glance


http://pfaff.tcc.virginia.edu/pfaffe...w_articles.php

http://www.allbookstores.com/browse/...erger,%20Bryan

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...497768-5742023

http://www.programmertutorials.com/c...er&locale =us



You know them Microsofties--always playin' tricks and callin' it the "html formatting bar" on their website--is that like the registry D_Word value so intuitively named "Pretty Path??"

Mosy on down Jan to the fourth (4th) section in this article by the same company that graciously brought you the completely free Outlook Express and their newsgroups and their server farm at your disposal. How crazy could they be goin' on about that formatting toolbar. Probably a script kiddie hacked their site or messed with the Redmond server farm. They get 250,000 attacks a day and this could have been one.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...rsonalize.mspx

"... menu in a new message window: a black dot by the Rich Text (HTML) command shows ... On
the Formatting Bar, click the buttons for the options you want as shown below ..."


Ain't this some of where you was referrin' in OE?

http://tinyurl.com/58ocn


Ain't this here one the "Formatting bar" Jan? They done put up screenshots of it and everything. Lookit thet puppy in "Step 3" What do thet be? It looks like it just can't stop formattin'.

http://www.animationfactory.com/help/tutorial_oe.html

And Spinnin' Jenny she done got it too:
http://www.spinningjenny.com/outlook/rich_text.htm



Also, that ficticious bar does *not* appear when replying to a HTML post, provided that...

Tools | Options | /Read\
[Y] "Read all messages in plain text"

Tools | Options | /Send\
[_] 'Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent'

It sure do and if you want to put up some real money, I'll give you a shot at remote access and you can see fer yerselffff!!!!!

Now you got to decide or get help to decide if you are seein' a visual hallucination or MSFT has called it a "formatting toolbar" on their site.

" You still insist on telling others what THEY should or should not do, yet YOU cannot be told anything, and you believe that YOUhave been misunderstood and/or wronged."

If you see HTML formatting from now on, it's intentional. But I am not telling any others what they should do. I have a government that's gone way over the top in the last months doing that. I think whatever Jan. Knock yourself out.

What do you want to name that fictional puppy? How 'bout Jan and J-Lo's Evil Eye Candy bar?
How 'bout "the bar what Jan calls fictional right there." How 'bout that big Redmond company with a global reach is tryin' to play tricks on Jan again?

In your reply to Ms. Tick in the thread titled "Windows Media Player, Help needed!" you ended with...
Some has done been more beta and some has done been less.


Are you and Ms. Tick the same person?? You is beginnin' to sound a lot like Prim Prickly Prodigiously Confused Perspicacia--the Divine Ms. Tick. You really know the art of closing a document.

Is this university-speak?
Would you be so kind as to translate this into standard English?

They has got a university near me that tried to fire the President because they wouldn't keep a football coach around for 40 more years, and where one coach was taped teaching a course whose exam question literally asked how many halves their were in football and basketball games for 20% credit in the exam. Secret meetin's and things to fire the President and turn it into football university.

And I tried to go to a school in the same area, but much much different. A whole lots different.

That's where I picked up the Honors English program for fun.

"Finally, are you a gifted child?" Very nice thought.

I am sure that's not in the ballpark of most of the things I was called growing up, (99% of them would be quintissential eye candy for this family oriented forum, but I am certain my dog with big ears is. Does that count? Now everytime I yell " HTML Formatting toolbar"--he is giving me a spontaneous nuanced "Hi Five." He knows it when he sees it. He wants me to use it for Jan.

I have to go read him 7 minutes of "The Little Goat"--book from Booker Elementary, and then hold a Press Conference and run for Barksdale AFB in Louisiana and Offut AFB in Nebraska. It sounds like such an effective response, Jan. Then the FAA can tell Norad ah'm readin' The Little Goat in HTML or is it Plain Text--an' they don't have a clue what to do and no direction in HTML or Plain Text.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...bush091101.htm


Chad Harris




"One woof for Plain Text and Two Woofs for HTML--one if by land and two if by sea and Condi wouldn't recognize it if it were 6" from her with a neon sign--even if one out of 50 explicit discriptions was translated and the translaters were fired (60 Minutes X 3 shows) for complaining.
Boy ah feels real secure."

---H.W. Longfellow "Paul Revere's Ride"
__________________________________________________ ________


"+-J" wrote in message ...

Chad,

- - The story so far - -

Kelly to Chad:
... html?

-later-
... you were posting in html, until this post.


Jan to Plato:
I fail to see why people insist on posting in HTML (or even write eMails in HTML).


Chad to Kelly:
I still don't understand what the **huge deal is about posting in html***


Chad to Ken Blake:
I fail to see why people go nuts when you post in html...

-later-
"Go nuts" is too strong a word but people are going to jump up and down if you use HTML that much I'm certain.



Neither Kelly nor I "made a huge deal", "went nuts" or "jumped up and down" about posting in HTML.

Also, in my part of the world, the expression "Go nuts" actually seems to consist of two (2) words, not one.


- - the story continues - -

Chad wrote:
| 1) Why is posting in html a huge deal?

--1. Bandwidth - As has been explained over the years in these newsgroups by Ken Blake (see adjacent excellent reply by him) and
several other people well versed in HTML.

To see the overhead of HTML markup in your post:

1. Message | New Mesage |
2. Format | Rich Text (HTML) | [Edit]
3. Click in the text area, and type a word.
4. [Source]
5. Look at all the pretty colours. This the overhead for HTML.
6. [Edit]
7, Click the [b] button
8. Type another word in the text area.
9. [Source]
10. Look at the result.
11. [Edit]
12. Now view Kelly's webpage again.
13. Copy that snippet of text.
14. Paste that snippet of text.
15. [Source]
16. Look at all the pretty colours. See the overhead for that snippet of text.

--2. "Eye candy" (or for non-Americans, visual pollution) is enjoyed about as much as spam is.

You seem to be obsessed with using StyleXP and other unapproved third-party applications on steroids which trash your XP SP 2.

Start with a clean slate - stop using StyleXP.

This is *not* a forum for publishing academic dissertations.

Nobody likes YOUR choice of font-(family|size|style) or (fore|back)ground-colours.


| I can site (sic)

Consult the "Concise Oxford Dictionary" for the meanings of the following homonyms...
CITE, SIGHT and SITE

To be continued...
---
Jan


  #50  
Old August 9th 04, 10:10 AM
Kelly
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Default New Imformation: Also Kelly's Line 227 Left: Set IE Fonts

Chad,

I do appreciate your wanting to understand/critique things, but beings this
is an OE issue, perhaps you could visit the great guys and gals in the OE
groups where this type of thing is discussed daily. )

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this....


Glad to hear and maybe it is time to move on?

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
appreciate it.


This had to do with a mention you made about doing a copy and paste from a
website. Again, when you are doing so (because of formatting, etc) copy it
into Notepad before copying it here. Simple! )
--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this, just a
little miffed when Jan kept pushing the "lack of consideration by intent
element." I'm pretty familiar with the options tabs, although I can't
recite from rote what's on them, but after the first couple messages I
double checked to see if there was any stone I was leaving unturned, and
why in the world the html formatting bar or whatever you want to call it
was showing up. I made sure that I had the two places that address plain
text configured for it on the send tab, and went over the "plain text
dialogue box" whose options I don't claim to understand perfectly even
after seeing them contexted in the IE box--but to make sure that they
wouldn't contribute. So what I do if I see the bar is just to go to
format and select Plain Text and it goes away.

Another thing that contributed to making html posts was when the html bar
was down for whatever reason, I thought that if I wasn't going to do
anything but paste a hyperlink, (i.e. not underline or italicize or bold
type any words), then even if it had been set on html there would be
*nothing to show up as html*. Obviously, this isn't the case. I
understand from David that Ctrl+3 can give you that information and some
additional informaiton, but what puzzles me is *what would show as html
or cause the bandwidth problems if you didn't have an off-sized font and
you didn't do anything else.

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
appreciate it.

Chad

__________________________________________________ _____________________________
"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

I didn't mean to get you upset. IF your settings were as you claim a week
or so ago, this would not be happening, thus my thinking it was third
party.
IF and when you see the html bar appear, it means that you will be posting
to the like, thus your settings aren't as you claimed.

As for attachments, that is different than posting html. Attachments can
be
included via plain text and are on rare occasions here.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
It is getting old Kelly The html bar I'm seeing as explicitly and
expressly
as I can convey it is native to OE (and as you say a component of IE/XP)
and
it shows up if I click FormatRich texthtml. *It's not part of any 3rd
party app.* It's native to OE meaning IE meaning XP. My question was not
*what notepad is or where I can find it*--it was introduced in Windows 95
(and there are many free apps that are notepad on steroids like Notepad
XP)--actually two different 3rd parties have that name--

http://www.acsoftware.org/

that have 10 X the features of Notepad, but I didn't see the point of
having to test paste a link into notepad if a plain link will show up as
in
this message formatted in plain text--it just seemed like a wasted step.
But you always say things for a good reason, so I asked why and I'm still
asking why?

For whatever reason, once in a while when I open a new message or reply
message it shows up and if it does I click format and change back to
plain
text and it's gone.

The ratio of times I posted in html versus plain text have been less than
.05% of posts. And I still don't understand what the **huge deal is
about
posting in html*** partly for the reasons David Candy gave above, and
because bold text or underlining makes it easier than a lousy asterick
to
emphasize a phrase and allow it to stand out. Italics have their place
for
the same reason you see them every where else. Are there really that
many
on dial up who are *that compromised by an ocassional italic or bold
word?*
I wasn't talking about posting images or attachements, although there
should
be a mechanism for that to happen too.

On one of the Office groups, because there have been an epidemic of
problems
installing Office 2003 SP1 requiring the Resource Kit tools and
interpretation of Hotfix_MSI logs, MSFT has encouraged posting
attachments
of the logs. It's the same kind of binary group as this one on the NTTP
newsreader.

Best,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Not to be rude, but this is getting old. Other than that, whatever html

bar
you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP (thus
also
meaning OE). And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the body. Notepad
is

a
simple text editor program that comes with all versions of Windows.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in
when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why. This is after several
posts

in
plain text where plain text has been selected.
If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in
html

it
wasn't meant to happen.

The spell checker is not on the blink. I don't use one, so I have to
watch
the typos. I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need
help
spelling. I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news, it just
drives
me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a
learning
curve) it stops on many words and software terms that aren't

misspelled.
So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from a
website
(I'm sure you mean the url here), *you should to do it in notepad

first.*
If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in
OE,

in
text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks in
a
plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by opening
notepad and pasting them in there first?

Thanks,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving. ) Other than that,
you
were
posting in html, until this post.

As for the latter: Whenever you copy and paste from a website -
paste

it
into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm


"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Plato--

This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets is
to
use
the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you see
here.

Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:

Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...smallertxt.reg

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Best,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ _____________________


"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
...
Chad Harris wrote:

There have been a number of installation errors of the July 27th

Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that
is
even
smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.














  #51  
Old August 9th 04, 06:24 PM
Chad Harris
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default New Imformation: Also Kelly's Any html deployed here?

Sorry for being so dense. What you meant is that the different formatting on your SR article (possibly supplied by the guy who wrote it) would be stripped and wouldn't have been reproduced after notepad stripped it. Had I known it would bother someone, I could have easily reformatted it before posting by simply moving it next to regular plain text--the same way large MSKB titles get changed or anything else. I really was suprised when it was prerved just as I was surprised when that reg key was preserved from Is It True? Why? Because they never had been before--and I assumed they would be stripped automaticaly. That's what happened.

You're right about OE problems going to OE, and normally that's what I'd do. I wonder though if you can answer one question that still has me confused.

If the html formatting bar or whatever you would like to name it (I know Jan says it doesn't exist) but Microsoft does in a dozen places cubed) is down--and it does show up on this group and not others when I click reply on the OE toolbar but the only thing you are posting is plain text--you aren't underlining anything or I paste a link from Kelly's XP how have I posted in html--I'm not arguing I'm just trying to figure this out. That bar has come down hundreds of times in this group, but I never got a complaint when you were on the thread and I think the reason is because regular hyperlinks and text were just plain text and hyperlinks on the post. What changed was that font preserved in your Sys Restore article.

BTW Kelly--That little tidbit of very important information is mentioned absolutely nowhere I can find on the web going to scores of XP sites and SR articles. It's key to understanding why so many people complained SR won't work. Before I saw that I attributed it to dirty shutdowns and corrupted restore points as the logical cause it failed, although of course there could have been some others.

MSFT doesn't mention it anywhere on MSDN or Technet or any of their KBs on SP1 or SR. And wouldn't you agree that if I interpret it correctly, a whole lot of people walked away from trying to use SR to save their system or make a change believing SR was just not effective. The guy from the SR team never explained exactly how people were locked away from the restore point, but if they didn't reach it, they weren't going to get the snapshot of the registry back to before the problem they were trying to fix.

Right now the bar is down. But I'm not pasting so much as a hyperlink so there shouldn't be any html deployed and shouldn't even if I do paste a hyperlink. It would only become a problem if I did something with a font or paragraph formatting, ect. wouldn't it? I'm not trying to run this into the ground, or foist an OE problem on the XP group, but I know you can straighten me out on this one.

Is there anything in this post that causes any html problems Jan or anyone else outlined. The checks or radio buttons have been in the correct box on the send tab, but it comes down and on this group for reasons that escape me but not other MSFT public groups. I can take that question to OE--I just wonder if there is anything showing here that steps over the html line? My guess is no.

Thanks,

Chad Harris


"Kelly" wrote in message ...
Chad,

I do appreciate your wanting to understand/critique things, but beings this
is an OE issue, perhaps you could visit the great guys and gals in the OE
groups where this type of thing is discussed daily. )

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this....


Glad to hear and maybe it is time to move on?

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
appreciate it.


This had to do with a mention you made about doing a copy and paste from a
website. Again, when you are doing so (because of formatting, etc) copy it
into Notepad before copying it here. Simple! )
--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this, just a
little miffed when Jan kept pushing the "lack of consideration by intent
element." I'm pretty familiar with the options tabs, although I can't
recite from rote what's on them, but after the first couple messages I
double checked to see if there was any stone I was leaving unturned, and
why in the world the html formatting bar or whatever you want to call it
was showing up. I made sure that I had the two places that address plain
text configured for it on the send tab, and went over the "plain text
dialogue box" whose options I don't claim to understand perfectly even
after seeing them contexted in the IE box--but to make sure that they
wouldn't contribute. So what I do if I see the bar is just to go to
format and select Plain Text and it goes away.

Another thing that contributed to making html posts was when the html bar
was down for whatever reason, I thought that if I wasn't going to do
anything but paste a hyperlink, (i.e. not underline or italicize or bold
type any words), then even if it had been set on html there would be
*nothing to show up as html*. Obviously, this isn't the case. I
understand from David that Ctrl+3 can give you that information and some
additional informaiton, but what puzzles me is *what would show as html
or cause the bandwidth problems if you didn't have an off-sized font and
you didn't do anything else.

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
appreciate it.

Chad

__________________________________________________ _____________________________
"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

I didn't mean to get you upset. IF your settings were as you claim a week
or so ago, this would not be happening, thus my thinking it was third
party.
IF and when you see the html bar appear, it means that you will be posting
to the like, thus your settings aren't as you claimed.

As for attachments, that is different than posting html. Attachments can
be
included via plain text and are on rare occasions here.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
It is getting old Kelly The html bar I'm seeing as explicitly and
expressly
as I can convey it is native to OE (and as you say a component of IE/XP)
and
it shows up if I click FormatRich texthtml. *It's not part of any 3rd
party app.* It's native to OE meaning IE meaning XP. My question was not
*what notepad is or where I can find it*--it was introduced in Windows 95
(and there are many free apps that are notepad on steroids like Notepad
XP)--actually two different 3rd parties have that name--

http://www.acsoftware.org/

that have 10 X the features of Notepad, but I didn't see the point of
having to test paste a link into notepad if a plain link will show up as
in
this message formatted in plain text--it just seemed like a wasted step.
But you always say things for a good reason, so I asked why and I'm still
asking why?

For whatever reason, once in a while when I open a new message or reply
message it shows up and if it does I click format and change back to
plain
text and it's gone.

The ratio of times I posted in html versus plain text have been less than
.05% of posts. And I still don't understand what the **huge deal is
about
posting in html*** partly for the reasons David Candy gave above, and
because bold text or underlining makes it easier than a lousy asterick
to
emphasize a phrase and allow it to stand out. Italics have their place
for
the same reason you see them every where else. Are there really that
many
on dial up who are *that compromised by an ocassional italic or bold
word?*
I wasn't talking about posting images or attachements, although there
should
be a mechanism for that to happen too.

On one of the Office groups, because there have been an epidemic of
problems
installing Office 2003 SP1 requiring the Resource Kit tools and
interpretation of Hotfix_MSI logs, MSFT has encouraged posting
attachments
of the logs. It's the same kind of binary group as this one on the NTTP
newsreader.

Best,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Not to be rude, but this is getting old. Other than that, whatever html

bar
you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP (thus
also
meaning OE). And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the body. Notepad
is

a
simple text editor program that comes with all versions of Windows.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks in
when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why. This is after several
posts

in
plain text where plain text has been selected.
If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in
html

it
wasn't meant to happen.

The spell checker is not on the blink. I don't use one, so I have to
watch
the typos. I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need
help
spelling. I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news, it just
drives
me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a
learning
curve) it stops on many words and software terms that aren't

misspelled.
So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from a
website
(I'm sure you mean the url here), *you should to do it in notepad

first.*
If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in
OE,

in
text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks in
a
plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by opening
notepad and pasting them in there first?

Thanks,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving. ) Other than that,
you
were
posting in html, until this post.

As for the latter: Whenever you copy and paste from a website -
paste

it
into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm


"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Plato--

This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets is
to
use
the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you see
here.

Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:

Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...smallertxt.reg

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Best,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ _____________________


"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
...
Chad Harris wrote:

There have been a number of installation errors of the July 27th

Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that
is
even
smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.














  #52  
Old August 10th 04, 07:30 AM
Kelly
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default New Imformation: Also Kelly's Any html deployed here?

Chad,

You are posting in html again.

As for your line: SR, Is it True,Why?......I have no clue what you are
speaking of. If it is on my site, you would have to give more information
as to which section, etc.

However, I haven't worked any SR threads as of late, so don't even know why
you are bringing this up in this thread, anyway. I would suggest starting a
new one for someone else.

As for your settings for OE (to view, read and send in plain text) has
already been explained and you verified. As for hyperlinks, etc. as you can
clearly see, my signature contain one, 90% of the body of my replies contain
them and I post in plain text.

To prevent posting in html using OE don't use Rich Text.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Sorry for being so dense. What you meant is that the different formatting
on your SR article (possibly supplied by the guy who wrote it) would be
stripped and wouldn't have been reproduced after notepad stripped it. Had I
known it would bother someone, I could have easily reformatted it before
posting by simply moving it next to regular plain text--the same way large
MSKB titles get changed or anything else. I really was suprised when it was
prerved just as I was surprised when that reg key was preserved from Is It
True? Why? Because they never had been before--and I assumed they would be
stripped automaticaly. That's what happened.

You're right about OE problems going to OE, and normally that's what I'd do.
I wonder though if you can answer one question that still has me confused.

If the html formatting bar or whatever you would like to name it (I know Jan
says it doesn't exist) but Microsoft does in a dozen places cubed) is
down--and it does show up on this group and not others when I click reply on
the OE toolbar but the only thing you are posting is plain text--you aren't
underlining anything or I paste a link from Kelly's XP how have I posted in
html--I'm not arguing I'm just trying to figure this out. That bar has come
down hundreds of times in this group, but I never got a complaint when you
were on the thread and I think the reason is because regular hyperlinks and
text were just plain text and hyperlinks on the post. What changed was
that font preserved in your Sys Restore article.

BTW Kelly--That little tidbit of very important information is mentioned
absolutely nowhere I can find on the web going to scores of XP sites and SR
articles. It's key to understanding why so many people complained SR won't
work. Before I saw that I attributed it to dirty shutdowns and corrupted
restore points as the logical cause it failed, although of course there
could have been some others.

MSFT doesn't mention it anywhere on MSDN or Technet or any of their KBs on
SP1 or SR. And wouldn't you agree that if I interpret it correctly, a whole
lot of people walked away from trying to use SR to save their system or make
a change believing SR was just not effective. The guy from the SR team
never explained exactly how people were locked away from the restore point,
but if they didn't reach it, they weren't going to get the snapshot of the
registry back to before the problem they were trying to fix.

Right now the bar is down. But I'm not pasting so much as a hyperlink so
there shouldn't be any html deployed and shouldn't even if I do paste a
hyperlink. It would only become a problem if I did something with a font or
paragraph formatting, ect. wouldn't it? I'm not trying to run this into the
ground, or foist an OE problem on the XP group, but I know you can
straighten me out on this one.

Is there anything in this post that causes any html problems Jan or anyone
else outlined. The checks or radio buttons have been in the correct box
on the send tab, but it comes down and on this group for reasons that escape
me but not other MSFT public groups. I can take that question to OE--I just
wonder if there is anything showing here that steps over the html line? My
guess is no.

Thanks,

Chad Harris


"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

I do appreciate your wanting to understand/critique things, but beings
this
is an OE issue, perhaps you could visit the great guys and gals in the OE
groups where this type of thing is discussed daily. )

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this....


Glad to hear and maybe it is time to move on?

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
appreciate it.


This had to do with a mention you made about doing a copy and paste from a
website. Again, when you are doing so (because of formatting, etc) copy
it
into Notepad before copying it here. Simple! )
--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this, just a
little miffed when Jan kept pushing the "lack of consideration by intent
element." I'm pretty familiar with the options tabs, although I can't
recite from rote what's on them, but after the first couple messages I
double checked to see if there was any stone I was leaving unturned,

and
why in the world the html formatting bar or whatever you want to call it
was showing up. I made sure that I had the two places that address

plain
text configured for it on the send tab, and went over the "plain text
dialogue box" whose options I don't claim to understand perfectly even
after seeing them contexted in the IE box--but to make sure that they
wouldn't contribute. So what I do if I see the bar is just to go to
format and select Plain Text and it goes away.

Another thing that contributed to making html posts was when the html

bar
was down for whatever reason, I thought that if I wasn't going to do
anything but paste a hyperlink, (i.e. not underline or italicize or bold
type any words), then even if it had been set on html there would be
*nothing to show up as html*. Obviously, this isn't the case. I
understand from David that Ctrl+3 can give you that information and some
additional informaiton, but what puzzles me is *what would show as html
or cause the bandwidth problems if you didn't have an off-sized font and
you didn't do anything else.

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
appreciate it.

Chad


__________________________________________________ _____________________________
"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

I didn't mean to get you upset. IF your settings were as you claim a

week
or so ago, this would not be happening, thus my thinking it was third
party.
IF and when you see the html bar appear, it means that you will be

posting
to the like, thus your settings aren't as you claimed.

As for attachments, that is different than posting html. Attachments

can
be
included via plain text and are on rare occasions here.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
It is getting old Kelly The html bar I'm seeing as explicitly and
expressly
as I can convey it is native to OE (and as you say a component of

IE/XP)
and
it shows up if I click FormatRich texthtml. *It's not part of any

3rd
party app.* It's native to OE meaning IE meaning XP. My question was

not
*what notepad is or where I can find it*--it was introduced in Windows

95
(and there are many free apps that are notepad on steroids like Notepad
XP)--actually two different 3rd parties have that name--

http://www.acsoftware.org/

that have 10 X the features of Notepad, but I didn't see the point of
having to test paste a link into notepad if a plain link will show up

as
in
this message formatted in plain text--it just seemed like a wasted

step.
But you always say things for a good reason, so I asked why and I'm

still
asking why?

For whatever reason, once in a while when I open a new message or

reply
message it shows up and if it does I click format and change back to
plain
text and it's gone.

The ratio of times I posted in html versus plain text have been less

than
.05% of posts. And I still don't understand what the **huge deal is
about
posting in html*** partly for the reasons David Candy gave above, and
because bold text or underlining makes it easier than a lousy asterick
to
emphasize a phrase and allow it to stand out. Italics have their place
for
the same reason you see them every where else. Are there really that
many
on dial up who are *that compromised by an ocassional italic or bold
word?*
I wasn't talking about posting images or attachements, although there
should
be a mechanism for that to happen too.

On one of the Office groups, because there have been an epidemic of
problems
installing Office 2003 SP1 requiring the Resource Kit tools and
interpretation of Hotfix_MSI logs, MSFT has encouraged posting
attachments
of the logs. It's the same kind of binary group as this one on the

NTTP
newsreader.

Best,

Chad Harris


__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Not to be rude, but this is getting old. Other than that, whatever

html
bar
you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP (thus
also
meaning OE). And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the body.

Notepad
is

a
simple text editor program that comes with all versions of Windows.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks

in
when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why. This is after several
posts

in
plain text where plain text has been selected.
If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in
html

it
wasn't meant to happen.

The spell checker is not on the blink. I don't use one, so I have

to
watch
the typos. I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need
help
spelling. I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news, it

just
drives
me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a
learning
curve) it stops on many words and software terms that aren't

misspelled.
So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from a
website
(I'm sure you mean the url here), *you should to do it in notepad

first.*
If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in
OE,

in
text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks

in
a
plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by

opening
notepad and pasting them in there first?

Thanks,

Chad Harris


__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving. ) Other than that,
you
were
posting in html, until this post.

As for the latter: Whenever you copy and paste from a website -
paste

it
into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm


"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Plato--

This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets is
to
use
the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you

see
here.

Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:

Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...smallertxt.reg

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Best,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ _____________________


"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
...
Chad Harris wrote:

There have been a number of installation errors of the July

27th

Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that
is
even
smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.















  #53  
Old August 10th 04, 12:16 PM
Ron Sommer
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default New Imformation: Also Kelly's Any html deployed here?

When you are composing the message, Format, Plain Text.
If you have the formatting bar in your composition window, you are using
HTML even if you only put text in the message.

You guess is wrong.
Even a text only email formatted HTML has a larger file size than plain
text.
--
Ron Sommer

==snipped==

Right now the bar is down. But I'm not pasting so much as a hyperlink so
there shouldn't be any html deployed and shouldn't even if I do paste a
hyperlink. It would only become a problem if I did something with a font or
paragraph formatting, ect. wouldn't it? I'm not trying to run this into the
ground, or foist an OE problem on the XP group, but I know you can
straighten me out on this one.

Is there anything in this post that causes any html problems Jan or anyone
else outlined. The checks or radio buttons have been in the correct box
on the send tab, but it comes down and on this group for reasons that escape
me but not other MSFT public groups. I can take that question to OE--I just
wonder if there is anything showing here that steps over the html line? My
guess is no.

Thanks,

Chad Harris


==snipped==

  #54  
Old August 10th 04, 07:55 PM
Chad Harris
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default New Imformation: "Out Out damned html!" --Macbeth?:"

Kelly--

1) If I'm posting in HTML again, it's really difficult to tell how.
Everything is turned off at every possible html spicket. I have both mail
and newsgroups set to plain text on the ToolsOptions send.

2) When I click on the Reply icon on the toolbar, it automatically sets up
to format in html--I have no clue why nor does anyone else here, and I'll
take it to the OE MVPs but I am turning it off manually by selecting
FormatPlain text on the newsgroup message. If this message posts as html,
I'm missing something gigantic.

3) My reference to "Is It true" was a registry key I pasted when HTML kicked
in automatically and I didn't know it--that retained HTML formatting and it
brought the comment "html?" from you in a post the other day--Same issue as
#2 and the same thing I pasted from here in your SR article on your site at
the bottom. It didn't have anything to do with *any SR thread* you
"worked."

I *really* appreciate the clarification from Ron here--it helps--I was
caught off guard thinking that if you only put text in the message and the
bar is down you aren't posting in html--now I know you are-- but the bar
(the one that doesn't exist in Jan's universe but does in Microsoft's IE/OE
development team's) won't be staying down at least in this group.

"When you are composing the message, Format, Plain Text.
If you have the formatting bar in your composition window, you are using
HTML even if you only put text in the message."

There shouldn't be a relationship with the Mail Sending Format and the
Email sending format but maybe there is. I think Tom Koch and many others
have pointed out that OE has not been the most perfectly crafted (to use the
over-worked TV talking head Congressional buzz word) application--it's free
but it brings the newsgroups a lot better than the web interface so it's
valuable. It also is easier to use for mail than Outlook for some new
users.

BTW I pasted that title below from the System Restore web page on your site
linked below into Notepad and it came into this message *still in a bold
format,* but my friend the HTML Formatting bar wasn't showing. So as not to
risk it, I just wiped it out and typed it.

Highlights of System Restore Fixes in SP1

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_restore.htm

So I'll look for the answer to those two questions from OE
MVPs/mavens/experts/enthusiasts

1) Why does the ##%%%&&** bar persist in showing up when I click reply on
the message toolbar under subject so that I manually have to turn it off
(mouse clicks not digging ditches)?

2) Why did the title from your webpage at the bottom from the piece that
Anshul Rawat [MS] wrote persist in bold even after I stripped it into
notepad?

If anyone knows another place to stop html I'm all ears for this--if it's
still showing up. I seriously doubt it is. I thought I hit every location
on the OE menus possible.

Chad



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

You are posting in html again.

As for your line: SR, Is it True,Why?......I have no clue what you are
speaking of. If it is on my site, you would have to give more information
as to which section, etc.

However, I haven't worked any SR threads as of late, so don't even know why
you are bringing this up in this thread, anyway. I would suggest starting a
new one for someone else.

As for your settings for OE (to view, read and send in plain text) has
already been explained and you verified. As for hyperlinks, etc. as you can
clearly see, my signature contain one, 90% of the body of my replies contain
them and I post in plain text.

To prevent posting in html using OE don't use Rich Text.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Sorry for being so dense. What you meant is that the different formatting
on your SR article (possibly supplied by the guy who wrote it) would be
stripped and wouldn't have been reproduced after notepad stripped it. Had I
known it would bother someone, I could have easily reformatted it before
posting by simply moving it next to regular plain text--the same way large
MSKB titles get changed or anything else. I really was suprised when it was
prerved just as I was surprised when that reg key was preserved from Is It
True? Why? Because they never had been before--and I assumed they would be
stripped automaticaly. That's what happened.

You're right about OE problems going to OE, and normally that's what I'd do.
I wonder though if you can answer one question that still has me confused.

If the html formatting bar or whatever you would like to name it (I know Jan
says it doesn't exist) but Microsoft does in a dozen places cubed) is
down--and it does show up on this group and not others when I click reply on
the OE toolbar but the only thing you are posting is plain text--you aren't
underlining anything or I paste a link from Kelly's XP how have I posted in
html--I'm not arguing I'm just trying to figure this out. That bar has come
down hundreds of times in this group, but I never got a complaint when you
were on the thread and I think the reason is because regular hyperlinks and
text were just plain text and hyperlinks on the post. What changed was
that font preserved in your Sys Restore article.

BTW Kelly--That little tidbit of very important information is mentioned
absolutely nowhere I can find on the web going to scores of XP sites and SR
articles. It's key to understanding why so many people complained SR won't
work. Before I saw that I attributed it to dirty shutdowns and corrupted
restore points as the logical cause it failed, although of course there
could have been some others.

MSFT doesn't mention it anywhere on MSDN or Technet or any of their KBs on
SP1 or SR. And wouldn't you agree that if I interpret it correctly, a whole
lot of people walked away from trying to use SR to save their system or make
a change believing SR was just not effective. The guy from the SR team
never explained exactly how people were locked away from the restore point,
but if they didn't reach it, they weren't going to get the snapshot of the
registry back to before the problem they were trying to fix.

Right now the bar is down. But I'm not pasting so much as a hyperlink so
there shouldn't be any html deployed and shouldn't even if I do paste a
hyperlink. It would only become a problem if I did something with a font or
paragraph formatting, ect. wouldn't it? I'm not trying to run this into the
ground, or foist an OE problem on the XP group, but I know you can
straighten me out on this one.

Is there anything in this post that causes any html problems Jan or anyone
else outlined. The checks or radio buttons have been in the correct box
on the send tab, but it comes down and on this group for reasons that escape
me but not other MSFT public groups. I can take that question to OE--I just
wonder if there is anything showing here that steps over the html line? My
guess is no.

Thanks,

Chad Harris


"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

I do appreciate your wanting to understand/critique things, but beings
this
is an OE issue, perhaps you could visit the great guys and gals in the OE
groups where this type of thing is discussed daily. )

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this....


Glad to hear and maybe it is time to move on?

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
appreciate it.


This had to do with a mention you made about doing a copy and paste from a
website. Again, when you are doing so (because of formatting, etc) copy
it
into Notepad before copying it here. Simple! )
--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this, just a
little miffed when Jan kept pushing the "lack of consideration by intent
element." I'm pretty familiar with the options tabs, although I can't
recite from rote what's on them, but after the first couple messages I
double checked to see if there was any stone I was leaving unturned,

and
why in the world the html formatting bar or whatever you want to call it
was showing up. I made sure that I had the two places that address

plain
text configured for it on the send tab, and went over the "plain text
dialogue box" whose options I don't claim to understand perfectly even
after seeing them contexted in the IE box--but to make sure that they
wouldn't contribute. So what I do if I see the bar is just to go to
format and select Plain Text and it goes away.

Another thing that contributed to making html posts was when the html

bar
was down for whatever reason, I thought that if I wasn't going to do
anything but paste a hyperlink, (i.e. not underline or italicize or bold
type any words), then even if it had been set on html there would be
*nothing to show up as html*. Obviously, this isn't the case. I
understand from David that Ctrl+3 can give you that information and some
additional informaiton, but what puzzles me is *what would show as html
or cause the bandwidth problems if you didn't have an off-sized font and
you didn't do anything else.

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
appreciate it.

Chad


__________________________________________________ _____________________________
"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

I didn't mean to get you upset. IF your settings were as you claim a

week
or so ago, this would not be happening, thus my thinking it was third
party.
IF and when you see the html bar appear, it means that you will be

posting
to the like, thus your settings aren't as you claimed.

As for attachments, that is different than posting html. Attachments

can
be
included via plain text and are on rare occasions here.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
It is getting old Kelly The html bar I'm seeing as explicitly and
expressly
as I can convey it is native to OE (and as you say a component of

IE/XP)
and
it shows up if I click FormatRich texthtml. *It's not part of any

3rd
party app.* It's native to OE meaning IE meaning XP. My question was

not
*what notepad is or where I can find it*--it was introduced in Windows

95
(and there are many free apps that are notepad on steroids like Notepad
XP)--actually two different 3rd parties have that name--

http://www.acsoftware.org/

that have 10 X the features of Notepad, but I didn't see the point of
having to test paste a link into notepad if a plain link will show up

as
in
this message formatted in plain text--it just seemed like a wasted

step.
But you always say things for a good reason, so I asked why and I'm

still
asking why?

For whatever reason, once in a while when I open a new message or

reply
message it shows up and if it does I click format and change back to
plain
text and it's gone.

The ratio of times I posted in html versus plain text have been less

than
.05% of posts. And I still don't understand what the **huge deal is
about
posting in html*** partly for the reasons David Candy gave above, and
because bold text or underlining makes it easier than a lousy asterick
to
emphasize a phrase and allow it to stand out. Italics have their place
for
the same reason you see them every where else. Are there really that
many
on dial up who are *that compromised by an ocassional italic or bold
word?*
I wasn't talking about posting images or attachements, although there
should
be a mechanism for that to happen too.

On one of the Office groups, because there have been an epidemic of
problems
installing Office 2003 SP1 requiring the Resource Kit tools and
interpretation of Hotfix_MSI logs, MSFT has encouraged posting
attachments
of the logs. It's the same kind of binary group as this one on the

NTTP
newsreader.

Best,

Chad Harris


__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Not to be rude, but this is getting old. Other than that, whatever

html
bar
you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP (thus
also
meaning OE). And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the body.

Notepad
is

a
simple text editor program that comes with all versions of Windows.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks

in
when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why. This is after several
posts

in
plain text where plain text has been selected.
If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in
html

it
wasn't meant to happen.

The spell checker is not on the blink. I don't use one, so I have

to
watch
the typos. I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need
help
spelling. I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news, it

just
drives
me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a
learning
curve) it stops on many words and software terms that aren't

misspelled.
So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from a
website
(I'm sure you mean the url here), *you should to do it in notepad

first.*
If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in
OE,

in
text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks

in
a
plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by

opening
notepad and pasting them in there first?

Thanks,

Chad Harris


__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving. ) Other than that,
you
were
posting in html, until this post.

As for the latter: Whenever you copy and paste from a website -
paste

it
into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm


"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Plato--

This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets is
to
use
the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you

see
here.

Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:

Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...smallertxt.reg

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Best,

Chad Harris

__________________________________________________ _____________________


"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
...
Chad Harris wrote:

There have been a number of installation errors of the July

27th

Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that
is
even
smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.














  #55  
Old August 11th 04, 11:32 AM
Kelly
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default New Imformation: "Out Out damned html!" --Macbeth?:"

LOL Doubt it was Macbeth, though. Good luck!

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

1) If I'm posting in HTML again, it's really difficult to tell how.
Everything is turned off at every possible html spicket. I have both mail
and newsgroups set to plain text on the ToolsOptions send.

2) When I click on the Reply icon on the toolbar, it automatically sets up
to format in html--I have no clue why nor does anyone else here, and I'll
take it to the OE MVPs but I am turning it off manually by selecting
FormatPlain text on the newsgroup message. If this message posts as html,
I'm missing something gigantic.

3) My reference to "Is It true" was a registry key I pasted when HTML
kicked in automatically and I didn't know it--that retained HTML
formatting and it brought the comment "html?" from you in a post the other
day--Same issue as #2 and the same thing I pasted from here in your SR
article on your site at the bottom. It didn't have anything to do with
*any SR thread* you "worked."

I *really* appreciate the clarification from Ron here--it helps--I was
caught off guard thinking that if you only put text in the message and the
bar is down you aren't posting in html--now I know you are-- but the bar
(the one that doesn't exist in Jan's universe but does in Microsoft's
IE/OE development team's) won't be staying down at least in this group.

"When you are composing the message, Format, Plain Text.
If you have the formatting bar in your composition window, you are using
HTML even if you only put text in the message."

There shouldn't be a relationship with the Mail Sending Format and the
Email sending format but maybe there is. I think Tom Koch and many others
have pointed out that OE has not been the most perfectly crafted (to use
the over-worked TV talking head Congressional buzz word) application--it's
free but it brings the newsgroups a lot better than the web interface so
it's valuable. It also is easier to use for mail than Outlook for some
new users.

BTW I pasted that title below from the System Restore web page on your
site linked below into Notepad and it came into this message *still in a
bold format,* but my friend the HTML Formatting bar wasn't showing. So as
not to risk it, I just wiped it out and typed it.

Highlights of System Restore Fixes in SP1

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_restore.htm

So I'll look for the answer to those two questions from OE
MVPs/mavens/experts/enthusiasts

1) Why does the ##%%%&&** bar persist in showing up when I click reply on
the message toolbar under subject so that I manually have to turn it off
(mouse clicks not digging ditches)?

2) Why did the title from your webpage at the bottom from the piece that
Anshul Rawat [MS] wrote persist in bold even after I stripped it into
notepad?

If anyone knows another place to stop html I'm all ears for this--if it's
still showing up. I seriously doubt it is. I thought I hit every
location on the OE menus possible.

Chad



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

You are posting in html again.

As for your line: SR, Is it True,Why?......I have no clue what you are
speaking of. If it is on my site, you would have to give more information
as to which section, etc.

However, I haven't worked any SR threads as of late, so don't even know
why
you are bringing this up in this thread, anyway. I would suggest starting
a
new one for someone else.

As for your settings for OE (to view, read and send in plain text) has
already been explained and you verified. As for hyperlinks, etc. as you
can
clearly see, my signature contain one, 90% of the body of my replies
contain
them and I post in plain text.

To prevent posting in html using OE don't use Rich Text.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Sorry for being so dense. What you meant is that the different formatting
on your SR article (possibly supplied by the guy who wrote it) would be
stripped and wouldn't have been reproduced after notepad stripped it. Had
I
known it would bother someone, I could have easily reformatted it before
posting by simply moving it next to regular plain text--the same way large
MSKB titles get changed or anything else. I really was suprised when it
was
prerved just as I was surprised when that reg key was preserved from Is It
True? Why? Because they never had been before--and I assumed they would
be
stripped automaticaly. That's what happened.

You're right about OE problems going to OE, and normally that's what I'd
do.
I wonder though if you can answer one question that still has me confused.

If the html formatting bar or whatever you would like to name it (I know
Jan
says it doesn't exist) but Microsoft does in a dozen places cubed) is
down--and it does show up on this group and not others when I click reply
on
the OE toolbar but the only thing you are posting is plain text--you
aren't
underlining anything or I paste a link from Kelly's XP how have I posted
in
html--I'm not arguing I'm just trying to figure this out. That bar has
come
down hundreds of times in this group, but I never got a complaint when you
were on the thread and I think the reason is because regular hyperlinks
and
text were just plain text and hyperlinks on the post. What changed was
that font preserved in your Sys Restore article.

BTW Kelly--That little tidbit of very important information is mentioned
absolutely nowhere I can find on the web going to scores of XP sites and
SR
articles. It's key to understanding why so many people complained SR
won't
work. Before I saw that I attributed it to dirty shutdowns and corrupted
restore points as the logical cause it failed, although of course there
could have been some others.

MSFT doesn't mention it anywhere on MSDN or Technet or any of their KBs on
SP1 or SR. And wouldn't you agree that if I interpret it correctly, a
whole
lot of people walked away from trying to use SR to save their system or
make
a change believing SR was just not effective. The guy from the SR team
never explained exactly how people were locked away from the restore
point,
but if they didn't reach it, they weren't going to get the snapshot of the
registry back to before the problem they were trying to fix.

Right now the bar is down. But I'm not pasting so much as a hyperlink so
there shouldn't be any html deployed and shouldn't even if I do paste a
hyperlink. It would only become a problem if I did something with a font
or
paragraph formatting, ect. wouldn't it? I'm not trying to run this into
the
ground, or foist an OE problem on the XP group, but I know you can
straighten me out on this one.

Is there anything in this post that causes any html problems Jan or anyone
else outlined. The checks or radio buttons have been in the correct box
on the send tab, but it comes down and on this group for reasons that
escape
me but not other MSFT public groups. I can take that question to OE--I
just
wonder if there is anything showing here that steps over the html line?
My
guess is no.

Thanks,

Chad Harris


"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

I do appreciate your wanting to understand/critique things, but beings
this
is an OE issue, perhaps you could visit the great guys and gals in the OE
groups where this type of thing is discussed daily. )

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this....


Glad to hear and maybe it is time to move on?

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying

to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
appreciate it.


This had to do with a mention you made about doing a copy and paste from
a
website. Again, when you are doing so (because of formatting, etc) copy
it
into Notepad before copying it here. Simple! )
--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this, just a
little miffed when Jan kept pushing the "lack of consideration by

intent
element." I'm pretty familiar with the options tabs, although I can't
recite from rote what's on them, but after the first couple messages I
double checked to see if there was any stone I was leaving unturned,

and
why in the world the html formatting bar or whatever you want to call

it
was showing up. I made sure that I had the two places that address

plain
text configured for it on the send tab, and went over the "plain text
dialogue box" whose options I don't claim to understand perfectly even
after seeing them contexted in the IE box--but to make sure that they
wouldn't contribute. So what I do if I see the bar is just to go to
format and select Plain Text and it goes away.

Another thing that contributed to making html posts was when the html

bar
was down for whatever reason, I thought that if I wasn't going to do
anything but paste a hyperlink, (i.e. not underline or italicize or

bold
type any words), then even if it had been set on html there would be
*nothing to show up as html*. Obviously, this isn't the case. I
understand from David that Ctrl+3 can give you that information and

some
additional informaiton, but what puzzles me is *what would show as

html
or cause the bandwidth problems if you didn't have an off-sized font

and
you didn't do anything else.

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying

to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
appreciate it.

Chad


__________________________________________________ _____________________________
"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

I didn't mean to get you upset. IF your settings were as you claim a

week
or so ago, this would not be happening, thus my thinking it was third
party.
IF and when you see the html bar appear, it means that you will be

posting
to the like, thus your settings aren't as you claimed.

As for attachments, that is different than posting html. Attachments

can
be
included via plain text and are on rare occasions here.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
It is getting old Kelly The html bar I'm seeing as explicitly and
expressly
as I can convey it is native to OE (and as you say a component of

IE/XP)
and
it shows up if I click FormatRich texthtml. *It's not part of any

3rd
party app.* It's native to OE meaning IE meaning XP. My question was

not
*what notepad is or where I can find it*--it was introduced in Windows

95
(and there are many free apps that are notepad on steroids like

Notepad
XP)--actually two different 3rd parties have that name--

http://www.acsoftware.org/

that have 10 X the features of Notepad, but I didn't see the point of
having to test paste a link into notepad if a plain link will show up

as
in
this message formatted in plain text--it just seemed like a wasted

step.
But you always say things for a good reason, so I asked why and I'm

still
asking why?

For whatever reason, once in a while when I open a new message or

reply
message it shows up and if it does I click format and change back to
plain
text and it's gone.

The ratio of times I posted in html versus plain text have been less

than
.05% of posts. And I still don't understand what the **huge deal is
about
posting in html*** partly for the reasons David Candy gave above, and
because bold text or underlining makes it easier than a lousy

asterick
to
emphasize a phrase and allow it to stand out. Italics have their

place
for
the same reason you see them every where else. Are there really that
many
on dial up who are *that compromised by an ocassional italic or bold
word?*
I wasn't talking about posting images or attachements, although there
should
be a mechanism for that to happen too.

On one of the Office groups, because there have been an epidemic of
problems
installing Office 2003 SP1 requiring the Resource Kit tools and
interpretation of Hotfix_MSI logs, MSFT has encouraged posting
attachments
of the logs. It's the same kind of binary group as this one on the

NTTP
newsreader.

Best,

Chad Harris


__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Not to be rude, but this is getting old. Other than that, whatever

html
bar
you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP (thus
also
meaning OE). And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the body.

Notepad
is
a
simple text editor program that comes with all versions of Windows.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks

in
when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why. This is after several
posts
in
plain text where plain text has been selected.
If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in
html
it
wasn't meant to happen.

The spell checker is not on the blink. I don't use one, so I have

to
watch
the typos. I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need
help
spelling. I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news, it

just
drives
me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a
learning
curve) it stops on many words and software terms that aren't
misspelled.
So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from

a
website
(I'm sure you mean the url here), *you should to do it in notepad
first.*
If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in
OE,
in
text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks

in
a
plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by

opening
notepad and pasting them in there first?

Thanks,

Chad Harris


__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving. ) Other than that,
you
were
posting in html, until this post.

As for the latter: Whenever you copy and paste from a website -
paste
it
into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm


"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Plato--

This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets

is
to
use
the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you

see
here.

Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:

Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...smallertxt.reg

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Best,

Chad Harris


__________________________________________________ _____________________


"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
...
Chad Harris wrote:

There have been a number of installation errors of the July

27th

Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one

that
is
even
smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.
















  #56  
Old August 15th 04, 01:22 AM
Chad Harris
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Lady Mac Scene V Act 1:35

Kelly--

One of the places it is best known for is Lady Macbeth Scene V Act 1 Line
35.
"Out, damn'd spot!" Lady Macbeth cries, "out, I say!" (V:i:35). Some count
it as line 34.

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache...+macbeth&hl=en

http://www.toxiccustard.com/shakespeare/macbeth5ix.html

http://www.toxiccustard.com/shakespeare/


With all the sites spinning off of this quote for a million different
purposes, and all the Shakespeare sites--some incredibly good, I was
wondering what it must be like to take a lap top to school when your mom has
one of the best Windows sites on the web instead of sitting in a hot
terribly lit library lugging huge books out of it, and trying to find a book
to write your paper(the *one you have to have*) that won't ever be back in
the library. You could take notes in your classes with a cheap mike and One
Note and write your papers with Word and the internet and turn them in
electronically with hyperlinks instead of footnotes.

Chad
__________________________________________


"Kelly" wrote in message
...
LOL Doubt it was Macbeth, though. Good luck!

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

1) If I'm posting in HTML again, it's really difficult to tell how.
Everything is turned off at every possible html spicket. I have both mail
and newsgroups set to plain text on the ToolsOptions send.

2) When I click on the Reply icon on the toolbar, it automatically sets up
to format in html--I have no clue why nor does anyone else here, and I'll
take it to the OE MVPs but I am turning it off manually by selecting
FormatPlain text on the newsgroup message. If this message posts as html,
I'm missing something gigantic.

3) My reference to "Is It true" was a registry key I pasted when HTML
kicked in automatically and I didn't know it--that retained HTML
formatting and it brought the comment "html?" from you in a post the other
day--Same issue as #2 and the same thing I pasted from here in your SR
article on your site at the bottom. It didn't have anything to do with
*any SR thread* you "worked."

I *really* appreciate the clarification from Ron here--it helps--I was
caught off guard thinking that if you only put text in the message and the
bar is down you aren't posting in html--now I know you are-- but the bar
(the one that doesn't exist in Jan's universe but does in Microsoft's
IE/OE development team's) won't be staying down at least in this group.

"When you are composing the message, Format, Plain Text.
If you have the formatting bar in your composition window, you are using
HTML even if you only put text in the message."

There shouldn't be a relationship with the Mail Sending Format and the
Email sending format but maybe there is. I think Tom Koch and many others
have pointed out that OE has not been the most perfectly crafted (to use
the over-worked TV talking head Congressional buzz word) application--it's
free but it brings the newsgroups a lot better than the web interface so
it's valuable. It also is easier to use for mail than Outlook for some
new users.

BTW I pasted that title below from the System Restore web page on your
site linked below into Notepad and it came into this message *still in a
bold format,* but my friend the HTML Formatting bar wasn't showing. So as
not to risk it, I just wiped it out and typed it.

Highlights of System Restore Fixes in SP1

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_restore.htm

So I'll look for the answer to those two questions from OE
MVPs/mavens/experts/enthusiasts

1) Why does the ##%%%&&** bar persist in showing up when I click reply on
the message toolbar under subject so that I manually have to turn it off
(mouse clicks not digging ditches)?

2) Why did the title from your webpage at the bottom from the piece that
Anshul Rawat [MS] wrote persist in bold even after I stripped it into
notepad?

If anyone knows another place to stop html I'm all ears for this--if it's
still showing up. I seriously doubt it is. I thought I hit every
location on the OE menus possible.

Chad



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

You are posting in html again.

As for your line: SR, Is it True,Why?......I have no clue what you are
speaking of. If it is on my site, you would have to give more information
as to which section, etc.

However, I haven't worked any SR threads as of late, so don't even know
why
you are bringing this up in this thread, anyway. I would suggest starting
a
new one for someone else.

As for your settings for OE (to view, read and send in plain text) has
already been explained and you verified. As for hyperlinks, etc. as you
can
clearly see, my signature contain one, 90% of the body of my replies
contain
them and I post in plain text.

To prevent posting in html using OE don't use Rich Text.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Sorry for being so dense. What you meant is that the different formatting
on your SR article (possibly supplied by the guy who wrote it) would be
stripped and wouldn't have been reproduced after notepad stripped it. Had
I
known it would bother someone, I could have easily reformatted it before
posting by simply moving it next to regular plain text--the same way large
MSKB titles get changed or anything else. I really was suprised when it
was
prerved just as I was surprised when that reg key was preserved from Is It
True? Why? Because they never had been before--and I assumed they would
be
stripped automaticaly. That's what happened.

You're right about OE problems going to OE, and normally that's what I'd
do.
I wonder though if you can answer one question that still has me confused.

If the html formatting bar or whatever you would like to name it (I know
Jan
says it doesn't exist) but Microsoft does in a dozen places cubed) is
down--and it does show up on this group and not others when I click reply
on
the OE toolbar but the only thing you are posting is plain text--you
aren't
underlining anything or I paste a link from Kelly's XP how have I posted
in
html--I'm not arguing I'm just trying to figure this out. That bar has
come
down hundreds of times in this group, but I never got a complaint when you
were on the thread and I think the reason is because regular hyperlinks
and
text were just plain text and hyperlinks on the post. What changed was
that font preserved in your Sys Restore article.

BTW Kelly--That little tidbit of very important information is mentioned
absolutely nowhere I can find on the web going to scores of XP sites and
SR
articles. It's key to understanding why so many people complained SR
won't
work. Before I saw that I attributed it to dirty shutdowns and corrupted
restore points as the logical cause it failed, although of course there
could have been some others.

MSFT doesn't mention it anywhere on MSDN or Technet or any of their KBs on
SP1 or SR. And wouldn't you agree that if I interpret it correctly, a
whole
lot of people walked away from trying to use SR to save their system or
make
a change believing SR was just not effective. The guy from the SR team
never explained exactly how people were locked away from the restore
point,
but if they didn't reach it, they weren't going to get the snapshot of the
registry back to before the problem they were trying to fix.

Right now the bar is down. But I'm not pasting so much as a hyperlink so
there shouldn't be any html deployed and shouldn't even if I do paste a
hyperlink. It would only become a problem if I did something with a font
or
paragraph formatting, ect. wouldn't it? I'm not trying to run this into
the
ground, or foist an OE problem on the XP group, but I know you can
straighten me out on this one.

Is there anything in this post that causes any html problems Jan or anyone
else outlined. The checks or radio buttons have been in the correct box
on the send tab, but it comes down and on this group for reasons that
escape
me but not other MSFT public groups. I can take that question to OE--I
just
wonder if there is anything showing here that steps over the html line?
My
guess is no.

Thanks,

Chad Harris


"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

I do appreciate your wanting to understand/critique things, but beings
this
is an OE issue, perhaps you could visit the great guys and gals in the OE
groups where this type of thing is discussed daily. )

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this....


Glad to hear and maybe it is time to move on?

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying

to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
appreciate it.


This had to do with a mention you made about doing a copy and paste from
a
website. Again, when you are doing so (because of formatting, etc) copy
it
into Notepad before copying it here. Simple! )
--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this, just a
little miffed when Jan kept pushing the "lack of consideration by

intent
element." I'm pretty familiar with the options tabs, although I can't
recite from rote what's on them, but after the first couple messages I
double checked to see if there was any stone I was leaving unturned,

and
why in the world the html formatting bar or whatever you want to call

it
was showing up. I made sure that I had the two places that address

plain
text configured for it on the send tab, and went over the "plain text
dialogue box" whose options I don't claim to understand perfectly even
after seeing them contexted in the IE box--but to make sure that they
wouldn't contribute. So what I do if I see the bar is just to go to
format and select Plain Text and it goes away.

Another thing that contributed to making html posts was when the html

bar
was down for whatever reason, I thought that if I wasn't going to do
anything but paste a hyperlink, (i.e. not underline or italicize or

bold
type any words), then even if it had been set on html there would be
*nothing to show up as html*. Obviously, this isn't the case. I
understand from David that Ctrl+3 can give you that information and

some
additional informaiton, but what puzzles me is *what would show as

html
or cause the bandwidth problems if you didn't have an off-sized font

and
you didn't do anything else.

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying

to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
appreciate it.

Chad


__________________________________________________ _____________________________
"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

I didn't mean to get you upset. IF your settings were as you claim a

week
or so ago, this would not be happening, thus my thinking it was third
party.
IF and when you see the html bar appear, it means that you will be

posting
to the like, thus your settings aren't as you claimed.

As for attachments, that is different than posting html. Attachments

can
be
included via plain text and are on rare occasions here.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
It is getting old Kelly The html bar I'm seeing as explicitly and
expressly
as I can convey it is native to OE (and as you say a component of

IE/XP)
and
it shows up if I click FormatRich texthtml. *It's not part of any

3rd
party app.* It's native to OE meaning IE meaning XP. My question was

not
*what notepad is or where I can find it*--it was introduced in Windows

95
(and there are many free apps that are notepad on steroids like

Notepad
XP)--actually two different 3rd parties have that name--

http://www.acsoftware.org/

that have 10 X the features of Notepad, but I didn't see the point of
having to test paste a link into notepad if a plain link will show up

as
in
this message formatted in plain text--it just seemed like a wasted

step.
But you always say things for a good reason, so I asked why and I'm

still
asking why?

For whatever reason, once in a while when I open a new message or

reply
message it shows up and if it does I click format and change back to
plain
text and it's gone.

The ratio of times I posted in html versus plain text have been less

than
.05% of posts. And I still don't understand what the **huge deal is
about
posting in html*** partly for the reasons David Candy gave above, and
because bold text or underlining makes it easier than a lousy

asterick
to
emphasize a phrase and allow it to stand out. Italics have their

place
for
the same reason you see them every where else. Are there really that
many
on dial up who are *that compromised by an ocassional italic or bold
word?*
I wasn't talking about posting images or attachements, although there
should
be a mechanism for that to happen too.

On one of the Office groups, because there have been an epidemic of
problems
installing Office 2003 SP1 requiring the Resource Kit tools and
interpretation of Hotfix_MSI logs, MSFT has encouraged posting
attachments
of the logs. It's the same kind of binary group as this one on the

NTTP
newsreader.

Best,

Chad Harris


__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Not to be rude, but this is getting old. Other than that, whatever

html
bar
you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP (thus
also
meaning OE). And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the body.

Notepad
is
a
simple text editor program that comes with all versions of Windows.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks

in
when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why. This is after several
posts
in
plain text where plain text has been selected.
If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in
html
it
wasn't meant to happen.

The spell checker is not on the blink. I don't use one, so I have

to
watch
the typos. I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need
help
spelling. I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news, it

just
drives
me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a
learning
curve) it stops on many words and software terms that aren't
misspelled.
So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from

a
website
(I'm sure you mean the url here), *you should to do it in notepad
first.*
If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in
OE,
in
text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks

in
a
plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by

opening
notepad and pasting them in there first?

Thanks,

Chad Harris


__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving. ) Other than that,
you
were
posting in html, until this post.

As for the latter: Whenever you copy and paste from a website -
paste
it
into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm


"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Plato--

This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets

is
to
use
the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you

see
here.

Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:

Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...smallertxt.reg

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Best,

Chad Harris


__________________________________________________ _____________________


"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
...
Chad Harris wrote:

There have been a number of installation errors of the July

27th

Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one

that
is
even
smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.















  #57  
Old August 15th 04, 01:22 AM
Chad Harris
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Lady Mac Scene V Act 1:35

Kelly--

One of the places it is best known for is Lady Macbeth Scene V Act 1 Line
35.
"Out, damn'd spot!" Lady Macbeth cries, "out, I say!" (V:i:35). Some count
it as line 34.

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache...+macbeth&hl=en

http://www.toxiccustard.com/shakespeare/macbeth5ix.html

http://www.toxiccustard.com/shakespeare/


With all the sites spinning off of this quote for a million different
purposes, and all the Shakespeare sites--some incredibly good, I was
wondering what it must be like to take a lap top to school when your mom has
one of the best Windows sites on the web instead of sitting in a hot
terribly lit library lugging huge books out of it, and trying to find a book
to write your paper(the *one you have to have*) that won't ever be back in
the library. You could take notes in your classes with a cheap mike and One
Note and write your papers with Word and the internet and turn them in
electronically with hyperlinks instead of footnotes.

Chad
__________________________________________


"Kelly" wrote in message
...
LOL Doubt it was Macbeth, though. Good luck!

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

1) If I'm posting in HTML again, it's really difficult to tell how.
Everything is turned off at every possible html spicket. I have both mail
and newsgroups set to plain text on the ToolsOptions send.

2) When I click on the Reply icon on the toolbar, it automatically sets up
to format in html--I have no clue why nor does anyone else here, and I'll
take it to the OE MVPs but I am turning it off manually by selecting
FormatPlain text on the newsgroup message. If this message posts as html,
I'm missing something gigantic.

3) My reference to "Is It true" was a registry key I pasted when HTML
kicked in automatically and I didn't know it--that retained HTML
formatting and it brought the comment "html?" from you in a post the other
day--Same issue as #2 and the same thing I pasted from here in your SR
article on your site at the bottom. It didn't have anything to do with
*any SR thread* you "worked."

I *really* appreciate the clarification from Ron here--it helps--I was
caught off guard thinking that if you only put text in the message and the
bar is down you aren't posting in html--now I know you are-- but the bar
(the one that doesn't exist in Jan's universe but does in Microsoft's
IE/OE development team's) won't be staying down at least in this group.

"When you are composing the message, Format, Plain Text.
If you have the formatting bar in your composition window, you are using
HTML even if you only put text in the message."

There shouldn't be a relationship with the Mail Sending Format and the
Email sending format but maybe there is. I think Tom Koch and many others
have pointed out that OE has not been the most perfectly crafted (to use
the over-worked TV talking head Congressional buzz word) application--it's
free but it brings the newsgroups a lot better than the web interface so
it's valuable. It also is easier to use for mail than Outlook for some
new users.

BTW I pasted that title below from the System Restore web page on your
site linked below into Notepad and it came into this message *still in a
bold format,* but my friend the HTML Formatting bar wasn't showing. So as
not to risk it, I just wiped it out and typed it.

Highlights of System Restore Fixes in SP1

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_restore.htm

So I'll look for the answer to those two questions from OE
MVPs/mavens/experts/enthusiasts

1) Why does the ##%%%&&** bar persist in showing up when I click reply on
the message toolbar under subject so that I manually have to turn it off
(mouse clicks not digging ditches)?

2) Why did the title from your webpage at the bottom from the piece that
Anshul Rawat [MS] wrote persist in bold even after I stripped it into
notepad?

If anyone knows another place to stop html I'm all ears for this--if it's
still showing up. I seriously doubt it is. I thought I hit every
location on the OE menus possible.

Chad



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

You are posting in html again.

As for your line: SR, Is it True,Why?......I have no clue what you are
speaking of. If it is on my site, you would have to give more information
as to which section, etc.

However, I haven't worked any SR threads as of late, so don't even know
why
you are bringing this up in this thread, anyway. I would suggest starting
a
new one for someone else.

As for your settings for OE (to view, read and send in plain text) has
already been explained and you verified. As for hyperlinks, etc. as you
can
clearly see, my signature contain one, 90% of the body of my replies
contain
them and I post in plain text.

To prevent posting in html using OE don't use Rich Text.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Sorry for being so dense. What you meant is that the different formatting
on your SR article (possibly supplied by the guy who wrote it) would be
stripped and wouldn't have been reproduced after notepad stripped it. Had
I
known it would bother someone, I could have easily reformatted it before
posting by simply moving it next to regular plain text--the same way large
MSKB titles get changed or anything else. I really was suprised when it
was
prerved just as I was surprised when that reg key was preserved from Is It
True? Why? Because they never had been before--and I assumed they would
be
stripped automaticaly. That's what happened.

You're right about OE problems going to OE, and normally that's what I'd
do.
I wonder though if you can answer one question that still has me confused.

If the html formatting bar or whatever you would like to name it (I know
Jan
says it doesn't exist) but Microsoft does in a dozen places cubed) is
down--and it does show up on this group and not others when I click reply
on
the OE toolbar but the only thing you are posting is plain text--you
aren't
underlining anything or I paste a link from Kelly's XP how have I posted
in
html--I'm not arguing I'm just trying to figure this out. That bar has
come
down hundreds of times in this group, but I never got a complaint when you
were on the thread and I think the reason is because regular hyperlinks
and
text were just plain text and hyperlinks on the post. What changed was
that font preserved in your Sys Restore article.

BTW Kelly--That little tidbit of very important information is mentioned
absolutely nowhere I can find on the web going to scores of XP sites and
SR
articles. It's key to understanding why so many people complained SR
won't
work. Before I saw that I attributed it to dirty shutdowns and corrupted
restore points as the logical cause it failed, although of course there
could have been some others.

MSFT doesn't mention it anywhere on MSDN or Technet or any of their KBs on
SP1 or SR. And wouldn't you agree that if I interpret it correctly, a
whole
lot of people walked away from trying to use SR to save their system or
make
a change believing SR was just not effective. The guy from the SR team
never explained exactly how people were locked away from the restore
point,
but if they didn't reach it, they weren't going to get the snapshot of the
registry back to before the problem they were trying to fix.

Right now the bar is down. But I'm not pasting so much as a hyperlink so
there shouldn't be any html deployed and shouldn't even if I do paste a
hyperlink. It would only become a problem if I did something with a font
or
paragraph formatting, ect. wouldn't it? I'm not trying to run this into
the
ground, or foist an OE problem on the XP group, but I know you can
straighten me out on this one.

Is there anything in this post that causes any html problems Jan or anyone
else outlined. The checks or radio buttons have been in the correct box
on the send tab, but it comes down and on this group for reasons that
escape
me but not other MSFT public groups. I can take that question to OE--I
just
wonder if there is anything showing here that steps over the html line?
My
guess is no.

Thanks,

Chad Harris


"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

I do appreciate your wanting to understand/critique things, but beings
this
is an OE issue, perhaps you could visit the great guys and gals in the OE
groups where this type of thing is discussed daily. )

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this....


Glad to hear and maybe it is time to move on?

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying

to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
appreciate it.


This had to do with a mention you made about doing a copy and paste from
a
website. Again, when you are doing so (because of formatting, etc) copy
it
into Notepad before copying it here. Simple! )
--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this, just a
little miffed when Jan kept pushing the "lack of consideration by

intent
element." I'm pretty familiar with the options tabs, although I can't
recite from rote what's on them, but after the first couple messages I
double checked to see if there was any stone I was leaving unturned,

and
why in the world the html formatting bar or whatever you want to call

it
was showing up. I made sure that I had the two places that address

plain
text configured for it on the send tab, and went over the "plain text
dialogue box" whose options I don't claim to understand perfectly even
after seeing them contexted in the IE box--but to make sure that they
wouldn't contribute. So what I do if I see the bar is just to go to
format and select Plain Text and it goes away.

Another thing that contributed to making html posts was when the html

bar
was down for whatever reason, I thought that if I wasn't going to do
anything but paste a hyperlink, (i.e. not underline or italicize or

bold
type any words), then even if it had been set on html there would be
*nothing to show up as html*. Obviously, this isn't the case. I
understand from David that Ctrl+3 can give you that information and

some
additional informaiton, but what puzzles me is *what would show as

html
or cause the bandwidth problems if you didn't have an off-sized font

and
you didn't do anything else.

Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying

to
figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
appreciate it.

Chad


__________________________________________________ _____________________________
"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

I didn't mean to get you upset. IF your settings were as you claim a

week
or so ago, this would not be happening, thus my thinking it was third
party.
IF and when you see the html bar appear, it means that you will be

posting
to the like, thus your settings aren't as you claimed.

As for attachments, that is different than posting html. Attachments

can
be
included via plain text and are on rare occasions here.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
It is getting old Kelly The html bar I'm seeing as explicitly and
expressly
as I can convey it is native to OE (and as you say a component of

IE/XP)
and
it shows up if I click FormatRich texthtml. *It's not part of any

3rd
party app.* It's native to OE meaning IE meaning XP. My question was

not
*what notepad is or where I can find it*--it was introduced in Windows

95
(and there are many free apps that are notepad on steroids like

Notepad
XP)--actually two different 3rd parties have that name--

http://www.acsoftware.org/

that have 10 X the features of Notepad, but I didn't see the point of
having to test paste a link into notepad if a plain link will show up

as
in
this message formatted in plain text--it just seemed like a wasted

step.
But you always say things for a good reason, so I asked why and I'm

still
asking why?

For whatever reason, once in a while when I open a new message or

reply
message it shows up and if it does I click format and change back to
plain
text and it's gone.

The ratio of times I posted in html versus plain text have been less

than
.05% of posts. And I still don't understand what the **huge deal is
about
posting in html*** partly for the reasons David Candy gave above, and
because bold text or underlining makes it easier than a lousy

asterick
to
emphasize a phrase and allow it to stand out. Italics have their

place
for
the same reason you see them every where else. Are there really that
many
on dial up who are *that compromised by an ocassional italic or bold
word?*
I wasn't talking about posting images or attachements, although there
should
be a mechanism for that to happen too.

On one of the Office groups, because there have been an epidemic of
problems
installing Office 2003 SP1 requiring the Resource Kit tools and
interpretation of Hotfix_MSI logs, MSFT has encouraged posting
attachments
of the logs. It's the same kind of binary group as this one on the

NTTP
newsreader.

Best,

Chad Harris


__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Not to be rude, but this is getting old. Other than that, whatever

html
bar
you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP (thus
also
meaning OE). And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the body.

Notepad
is
a
simple text editor program that comes with all versions of Windows.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com




"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Kelly--

I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks

in
when
I get ready to reply and I don't know why. This is after several
posts
in
plain text where plain text has been selected.
If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in
html
it
wasn't meant to happen.

The spell checker is not on the blink. I don't use one, so I have

to
watch
the typos. I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need
help
spelling. I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news, it

just
drives
me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a
learning
curve) it stops on many words and software terms that aren't
misspelled.
So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from

a
website
(I'm sure you mean the url here), *you should to do it in notepad
first.*
If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in
OE,
in
text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks

in
a
plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by

opening
notepad and pasting them in there first?

Thanks,

Chad Harris


__________________________________________________ __________________________
__



"Kelly" wrote in message
...
Chad,

Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving. ) Other than that,
you
were
posting in html, until this post.

As for the latter: Whenever you copy and paste from a website -
paste
it
into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.

--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm


"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Plato--

This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets

is
to
use
the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you

see
here.

Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:

Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...smallertxt.reg

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Best,

Chad Harris


__________________________________________________ _____________________


"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
...
Chad Harris wrote:

There have been a number of installation errors of the July

27th

Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one

that
is
even
smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.















  #58  
Old August 19th 04, 06:35 PM
Bill
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"+-J" wrote:


Chad,

| Thanks Jan--
|
| May have seemed obvious, but I thought by definition that a hyperlink is in
| HTML and I'll have to clear this up for myself.

For HTML in a web browser, yes.


| I also thought in general
| with OE and OL, that whatever format you used would only be viewed if the
| recipient has format enough to view it--and I know RTF has a different
| meaning in OL and OE.
|
| This is a different question and technically one in OE but if you embed a
| graphic into the text of OE won't the recipient have to have HTML activated
| to view the picture. If they don't when they receive it and read directions
| to activate it will they be able to see the picture?


For MS Outlook (Express|) - not the same behaviour.


I use MS Outlook Express (in "minimal" mode) only as a news-reader.

I would never use it for eMails.

I observe how it behaves, but I have no interest in its inner workings.
(However, David does know.)
---
Jan


| "+-J" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "Chad Harris" wrote:
| SNIP /
| | Even if you're posting in simple text, a hyperlink is going to show up
| | and doesn't that require html?
| SNIP /
| Chad,
| In Outlook Express, in TEXT-mode, all hyperlinks are clickable.
| ---
| Jan



  #59  
Old July 24th 05, 02:58 AM
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"Chad Harris" wrote:

There have been a number of installation errors of the July 27th Office 2003 Updates and other Office version updates, particularly Office 2003 SP1 remedied by Office resource kit tools and other tools like the Windows Installer Cleanup Utility, and I'm pasting this information that has come up from Sloan Crayton [MS] who has been generously helping and providing some useful information on using these Office tools to help with install/setup problems. Because it involves information I have not seen anywhere, including MSKB, MSDN, Technet or Windows SP2/MSI 3.0 articles and good artifcles on System Restore, I'm pasting some of it he

__________________________________________________ _____

After running the Installer Clean utility to remove remnants of OfficeXP, now if I try to update Office 2003 Pro from the website, this is EXACTLY what I get:


The Office Update site is unable to check for updates on this
computer. This may be happening because of one of the following
reasons:

You do not have administrative privileges for this computer.

There is a network problem and the detection catalog used by the
Office Update site failed to download. Go back to the Downloads home
page and try running detection again.

Windows Installer patch files (.MSP files) from previously applied
Office updates are missing from the \Windows\Installer hidden
directory on your computer. MSP files are stored on your computer
after update installation completes because they need to be referenced
for future update operations. If the files are missing you will not be
able to apply Office updates. You may also be unable to uninstall
Office products as a result of the same problem. Please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services for assistance.

You installed Office updates in the past and then upgraded from
Windows Installer version 1.0 to Windows Installer version 1.1. For
more information see the KB article Windows Installer May Prompt for
Install Source if Unavailable.

Search for Office updates in the Download Catalog


The Problem With System Restore and the Windows Installer Corrected by Windows Installer 3.0

(Fixing the Problem but not Fixing the Registry Once It's Corrupted):

__________________________________________________ ____________

Windows System Restore will corrupt the Windows Installer registry
information for Office (and other applications). Windows Installer 3.0
(included in Windows XP SP2 when it ships) will fix this bug

The use of Windows System Restore is one of the known causes. Windows Installer 3.0 which is included in Windows XP SP2 fixes this problem (but will not fix it once it's broken).

You will need to use the Windows Installer Cleanup Utility to remove the
Windows Installer registry information for all installed Office products.
Then you'll need to install Office 2003 again and then install any service
packs and public updates.

This is documented in the KB article at
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;304498.

Sloan Crayton
Microsoft

__________________________________________________ _______________

Best,

Chad Harris


 




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