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Old August 23rd 17, 07:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken[_8_]
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Default Adobe Flash on Win 10

Has anyone gotten Flash to play on Windows 10?? I can get it to work
with Internet Explorer and SeaMonkey, but not Windows Edge. I have
enabled it and searched extensively for the problem, and found many who
have the same problem. Some maintain they got it to work, but there are
many like me that have not. Anyone got the answer??
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Old August 23rd 17, 08:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Adobe Flash on Win 10

Ken wrote:

Has anyone gotten Flash to play on Windows 10?? I can get it to work
with Internet Explorer and SeaMonkey, but not Windows Edge. I have
enabled it and searched extensively for the problem, and found many who
have the same problem. Some maintain they got it to work, but there are
many like me that have not. Anyone got the answer??


"Does not work" does not say if nothing of Flash will work (you see no
Flash content delivered when visiting a Flash-enabled web site), or you
can hear audio but not see any video, or something else.

Since you did not describe what you already tried (or read) then expect
duplication of your efforts in the responses here.

Did you make sure the Flash player is enabled in Edge?

https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player...s-10-edge.html

You give no examples of URLs to web sites with Flash content that "does
not work". That means vague responses, too. Does EVERY Flash-enabled
web site "not work" or just some of them? Sites may detect what web
browser (user agent) you are using but they are lagging in Edge support.
They may not know how to handle Edge as the client.

Also, many sites still use the archaic method of querying the web client
as to what plug-ins are available to know if the client will support
Flash or other content types the site wants to deliver. Firefox is
removing that capability; i.e., scripts in the delivered web page will
no longer be able to report back to the server what plug-ins or add-ons
are installed in Firefox. It is part of their anti-fingerprinting
project (to adapt some but not all anti-fingerprinting from the Tor web
browser, a Firefox variant). Visit https://panopticlick.eff.org to see
if they can detect what plug-ins are installed in Edge. If you use an
ad or script blocker, you will need to enable scripting (from
do-not-tracker.org, eviltracker.org, trackersimulator.org) from those
off-domain script sources since those sites provide support to EFF to do
the client testing. Adblockers may block some content from eff.org that
you will need to allow. EFF is a safe site so I don't know why any
adblocker (well, the blacklist(s) to which it subscribes) would block
any of its on-domain content (but I understand why off-domain content,
especially scripts, might get blocked). After doing the test, click on
"See full results for fingerprinting" to get more details, like plug-in
and add-on detection. If "Brower Plugin Details" says "undefined" then
scripts in the page delivered by a web site cannot report back to the
server what plug-ins are installed in the client. If the site uses that
obsolete and deprecated method to detect plug-ins, it will always say
that you need to install the plug-in. The site should be *testing* the
capabilities of the client, not querying the client for capabilities.

Long before now, the site should have moved to HTML5 video instead of
using Flash so you are visiting some non-updated sites. Some sites lag
a lot. I've seen bank sites that still demand Flash which means you
probably should be using a much better web browser (Firefox, Google
Chrome, or one of their variants).

An upgrade explicitly requires permission for Flash to run for a web
site's pages delivered to you. Flash is not allowed unless you click
the click-to-run jigsaw icon (left of the star and book icons in the
toolbar) to enable Flash for *that* site. The jigsaw icon appears only
if the site has Flash content. Don't ask me why Microsoft choose a
jigsaw icon for Flash control. They probably could've use the "A" or
slanted "f" icons from Adobe except those are probably trademarked.

https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/...LgpfrHj7JvU.97

Have you rebooted the OS yet? No, not by going into sleep, hibernate,
or hybrid mode but completely shutdown the OS and then cold boot the
computer.
  #3  
Old August 24th 17, 02:35 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Adobe Flash on Win 10

Ken wrote:
Has anyone gotten Flash to play on Windows 10?? I can get it to work
with Internet Explorer and SeaMonkey, but not Windows Edge. I have
enabled it and searched extensively for the problem, and found many who
have the same problem. Some maintain they got it to work, but there are
many like me that have not. Anyone got the answer??


Try this page.

http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/about/

The actual current plugin is 26.0.0.151.

You can check your browsers, and see what Flash patchlevel
they're at.

This file, could be used to install Flash on Firefox or Seamonkey.
That would give you another browser to test.

http://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flas...ash_player.exe

Also, the Settings (three dots) : Advanced Settings in MSEdge
has a button for enabling Flash. You can try that. I toggled mine
off and on again.

If you go to catalog.update.microsoft.com , you can try
searching on "Adobe Flash 1703" and manually install.
Or, you could check Settings : Update and Security : History,
and see if you received a Flash update around Aug2 to Aug8 or so.
I think that might have been the last patch. I'd really need
to dig up my Release disk on the other machine and check, as
the VM I'm running on this machine is "modified" :-)
Modified to make it "compliant".

Paul
  #4  
Old August 24th 17, 12:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken[_8_]
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Default Adobe Flash on Win 10

VanguardLH wrote:
Ken wrote:

Has anyone gotten Flash to play on Windows 10?? I can get it to work
with Internet Explorer and SeaMonkey, but not Windows Edge. I have
enabled it and searched extensively for the problem, and found many who
have the same problem. Some maintain they got it to work, but there are
many like me that have not. Anyone got the answer??


"Does not work" does not say if nothing of Flash will work (you see no
Flash content delivered when visiting a Flash-enabled web site), or you
can hear audio but not see any video, or something else.


Each time I go to a website requiring Flash, I get a message saying it
is not enabled. This includes the Adobe Flash test sites. "Flash Player
is currently disabled." I follow the instructions for enabling it as
well as downloading the latest version, and it still does not work. I
even visited a site that spelled out where to look in the registry to
see if it is enabled. It is!!! But the same message occurs.

Again the Flash works with IE and SeaMonkey just fine. There is a
peculiar thing I discovered however: I have another computer that has
the same version of Win 10 and the same version of Flash. There was a
point when the puzzle piece appeared asking me to enable Flash and I did
so. After that, Flash continued to work on that computer. This does
not occur with this computer however, and I suspect something is
blocking Flash but I cannot figure out what it could be. I have the
same A/V program, same OS, same version of Flash, and looked at every
setting I could to find something different.

Even the updates for Flash show on the updates section of Settings for
the computer that fails.
2017-08 Security Update for Adobe Flash Player for Windows 10 Version

1703 for x64-based Systems (KB4034662)




Since you did not describe what you already tried (or read) then expect
duplication of your efforts in the responses here.

Did you make sure the Flash player is enabled in Edge?


Yes

https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player...s-10-edge.html

You give no examples of URLs to web sites with Flash content that "does
not work". That means vague responses, too.


https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player...s-10-edge.html

Does EVERY Flash-enabled
web site "not work" or just some of them?


Every one.

Sites may detect what web
browser (user agent) you are using but they are lagging in Edge support.
They may not know how to handle Edge as the client.

Also, many sites still use the archaic method of querying the web client
as to what plug-ins are available to know if the client will support
Flash or other content types the site wants to deliver. Firefox is
removing that capability; i.e., scripts in the delivered web page will
no longer be able to report back to the server what plug-ins or add-ons
are installed in Firefox. It is part of their anti-fingerprinting
project (to adapt some but not all anti-fingerprinting from the Tor web
browser, a Firefox variant). Visit https://panopticlick.eff.org to see
if they can detect what plug-ins are installed in Edge. If you use an
ad or script blocker, you will need to enable scripting (from
do-not-tracker.org, eviltracker.org, trackersimulator.org) from those
off-domain script sources since those sites provide support to EFF to do
the client testing. Adblockers may block some content from eff.org that
you will need to allow. EFF is a safe site so I don't know why any
adblocker (well, the blacklist(s) to which it subscribes) would block
any of its on-domain content (but I understand why off-domain content,
especially scripts, might get blocked). After doing the test, click on
"See full results for fingerprinting" to get more details, like plug-in
and add-on detection. If "Brower Plugin Details" says "undefined" then
scripts in the page delivered by a web site cannot report back to the
server what plug-ins are installed in the client. If the site uses that
obsolete and deprecated method to detect plug-ins, it will always say
that you need to install the plug-in. The site should be *testing* the
capabilities of the client, not querying the client for capabilities.

Long before now, the site should have moved to HTML5 video instead of
using Flash so you are visiting some non-updated sites. Some sites lag
a lot. I've seen bank sites that still demand Flash which means you
probably should be using a much better web browser (Firefox, Google
Chrome, or one of their variants).

An upgrade explicitly requires permission for Flash to run for a web
site's pages delivered to you. Flash is not allowed unless you click
the click-to-run jigsaw icon (left of the star and book icons in the
toolbar) to enable Flash for *that* site. The jigsaw icon appears only
if the site has Flash content. Don't ask me why Microsoft choose a
jigsaw icon for Flash control. They probably could've use the "A" or
slanted "f" icons from Adobe except those are probably trademarked.

https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/...LgpfrHj7JvU.97

Have you rebooted the OS yet? No, not by going into sleep, hibernate,
or hybrid mode but completely shutdown the OS and then cold boot the
computer.

I rebooted several times after making changes. I even uninstalled
Flash, rebooted and installed it again. The same results. It worked
again for IE and SeaMonkey, but not for Edge. Again there is no puzzle
piece appearing when Edge is open and on a Flash website.

I appreciate the extensive comments from Paul and you, and you are
correct I was brief in my explanation of what I had done. It was out of
frustration and I had hoped that a brief story would find someone who
had similar experiences but with a solution. My guess is there is a
setting somewhere that is blocking Flash for Edge but I cannot find it.
Thanks to both of you for your effort.
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Old August 24th 17, 07:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Adobe Flash on Win 10

Ken wrote:

there is no puzzle piece appearing when Edge is open and on a Flash
website.

I appreciate the extensive comments from Paul and you, and you are
correct I was brief in my explanation of what I had done. It was out of
frustration and I had hoped that a brief story would find someone who
had similar experiences but with a solution. My guess is there is a
setting somewhere that is blocking Flash for Edge but I cannot find it.
Thanks to both of you for your effort.


Did the panopticlick test show plug-ins are hidden or exposed?

I just hit a site (wish I could remember where it was) that made the
same bogus claim that I needed a newer version of Flash. That was with
Firefox 55.0.2 (but earlier versions had this) which will not reveal to
the page's script what plug-ins are installed in Firefox hence the
server doesn't get notified by the script and the page script just pukes
out a bogus error. The script cannot get details about installed
plug-ins but instead of telling you that the site demands use of Flash
and you need to install the plug-in, it instead says you don't have the
newest version. This is like claiming you need a new light bulb in a
dark room but you chose to keep the light switch off.

Have you tried rebooting Windows into its safe mode w/networking?

Internet Explorer has a reset function (Internet Options - Advanced
tab, Reset button). Edge does not. You can only clear out Edge. See:

https://www.groovypost.com/howto/res...ault-settings/
https://www.howtogeek.com/237527/how...in-windows-10/
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Old August 24th 17, 07:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken[_8_]
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Default Adobe Flash on Win 10

VanguardLH wrote:
Ken wrote:

there is no puzzle piece appearing when Edge is open and on a Flash
website.

I appreciate the extensive comments from Paul and you, and you are
correct I was brief in my explanation of what I had done. It was out of
frustration and I had hoped that a brief story would find someone who
had similar experiences but with a solution. My guess is there is a
setting somewhere that is blocking Flash for Edge but I cannot find it.
Thanks to both of you for your effort.


Did the panopticlick test show plug-ins are hidden or exposed?

I just hit a site (wish I could remember where it was) that made the
same bogus claim that I needed a newer version of Flash. That was with
Firefox 55.0.2 (but earlier versions had this) which will not reveal to
the page's script what plug-ins are installed in Firefox hence the
server doesn't get notified by the script and the page script just pukes
out a bogus error. The script cannot get details about installed
plug-ins but instead of telling you that the site demands use of Flash
and you need to install the plug-in, it instead says you don't have the
newest version. This is like claiming you need a new light bulb in a
dark room but you chose to keep the light switch off.

Have you tried rebooting Windows into its safe mode w/networking?

Internet Explorer has a reset function (Internet Options - Advanced
tab, Reset button). Edge does not. You can only clear out Edge. See:

https://www.groovypost.com/howto/res...ault-settings/
https://www.howtogeek.com/237527/how...in-windows-10/


I give up. I tried the reset of Edge based upon the two links you
posted, and I thought I might be on the right track the way Edge
started. But the minute I tried to run Flash it gave me the message
that "Flash Player is currently disabled." Even though it is not
disabled. Since I can view Flash via IE and SeaMonkey, it was more an
annoyance than a necessity. Thanks for your effort.
  #7  
Old August 24th 17, 09:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Elvira
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Default Adobe Flash on Win 10

On 24-Aug-2017 14:46, Ken wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Ken wrote:

there is no puzzle piece appearing when Edge is open and on a Flash
website.

I appreciate the extensive comments from Paul and you, and you are
correct I was brief in my explanation of what I had done.* It was out of
frustration and I had hoped that a brief story would find someone who
had similar experiences but with a solution.* My guess is there is a
setting somewhere that is blocking Flash for Edge but I cannot find it.
Thanks to both of you for your effort.


Did the panopticlick test show plug-ins are hidden or exposed?

I just hit a site (wish I could remember where it was) that made the
same bogus claim that I needed a newer version of Flash.* That was with
Firefox 55.0.2 (but earlier versions had this) which will not reveal to
the page's script what plug-ins are installed in Firefox hence the
server doesn't get notified by the script and the page script just pukes
out a bogus error.* The script cannot get details about installed
plug-ins but instead of telling you that the site demands use of Flash
and you need to install the plug-in, it instead says you don't have the
newest version.* This is like claiming you need a new light bulb in a
dark room but you chose to keep the light switch off.

Have you tried rebooting Windows into its safe mode w/networking?

Internet Explorer has a reset function (Internet Options - Advanced
tab, Reset button).* Edge does not.* You can only clear out Edge.* See:

https://www.groovypost.com/howto/res...ault-settings/
https://www.howtogeek.com/237527/how...in-windows-10/



I give up.* I tried the reset of Edge based upon the two links you
posted, and I thought I might be on the right track the way Edge
started.* But the minute I tried to run Flash it gave me the message
that "Flash Player is currently disabled."* Even though it is not
disabled.* Since I can view Flash via IE and SeaMonkey, it was more an
annoyance than a necessity.* Thanks for your effort.


Yep! Give it up. I'm using the latest Windows 10 Insider build 16273rs3
and flash is not working for me either in Edge even after clicking the
popup to tell it to Allow permanently.
  #8  
Old August 24th 17, 11:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken[_8_]
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Default Adobe Flash on Win 10

Elvira wrote:
On 24-Aug-2017 14:46, Ken wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Ken wrote:

there is no puzzle piece appearing when Edge is open and on a Flash
website.

I appreciate the extensive comments from Paul and you, and you are
correct I was brief in my explanation of what I had done. It was
out of
frustration and I had hoped that a brief story would find someone who
had similar experiences but with a solution. My guess is there is a
setting somewhere that is blocking Flash for Edge but I cannot find it.
Thanks to both of you for your effort.

Did the panopticlick test show plug-ins are hidden or exposed?

I just hit a site (wish I could remember where it was) that made the
same bogus claim that I needed a newer version of Flash. That was with
Firefox 55.0.2 (but earlier versions had this) which will not reveal to
the page's script what plug-ins are installed in Firefox hence the
server doesn't get notified by the script and the page script just pukes
out a bogus error. The script cannot get details about installed
plug-ins but instead of telling you that the site demands use of Flash
and you need to install the plug-in, it instead says you don't have the
newest version. This is like claiming you need a new light bulb in a
dark room but you chose to keep the light switch off.

Have you tried rebooting Windows into its safe mode w/networking?

Internet Explorer has a reset function (Internet Options - Advanced
tab, Reset button). Edge does not. You can only clear out Edge. See:

https://www.groovypost.com/howto/res...ault-settings/
https://www.howtogeek.com/237527/how...in-windows-10/



I give up. I tried the reset of Edge based upon the two links you
posted, and I thought I might be on the right track the way Edge
started. But the minute I tried to run Flash it gave me the message
that "Flash Player is currently disabled." Even though it is not
disabled. Since I can view Flash via IE and SeaMonkey, it was more an
annoyance than a necessity. Thanks for your effort.


Yep! Give it up. I'm using the latest Windows 10 Insider build 16273rs3
and flash is not working for me either in Edge even after clicking the
popup to tell it to Allow permanently.


That is interesting!!!
  #9  
Old August 25th 17, 05:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Adobe Flash on Win 10

Ken1943 wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:26:27 -0500, Ken wrote:

Has anyone gotten Flash to play on Windows 10?? I can get it to work
with Internet Explorer and SeaMonkey, but not Windows Edge. I have
enabled it and searched extensively for the problem, and found many who
have the same problem. Some maintain they got it to work, but there are
many like me that have not. Anyone got the answer??


Just tested and it works. Can say how or why.


Ken1943


Check your Windows Update history for evidence.

Flash updates will be logged in there.

Paul
 




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