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  #16  
Old March 8th 15, 12:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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Default It finally arrived!

On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 23:15:28 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:

SNIP

Well, I admit to having used a similar method for years. I keep a
Notepad file handy, which I call AccentKeys, and it contains many things.
This is it in its entirety;


SNIP

Since it's a bespoke file that you created for your own purposes and
since you apparently make much use of it, I suspect your searches for
characters are much quicker than mine :-)

But as Ken intimated, my use of special characters is "seldom". It's too
limited to worry much about the inefficiency.

If that changes I'll change my methods.

--
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  #17  
Old March 8th 15, 01:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
The Scream
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Default It finally arrived!

"Ed Cryer" escreveu na mensagem ...

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2015 11:39:26 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Sat, 7 Mar 2015 17:27:36 -0000, Android99 wrote:

"Android99" escreveu na mensagem ...

"Ed Cryer" escreveu na mensagem ...

Android99 wrote:
"Ed Cryer" escreveu na mensagem ...

Van Storm wrote:
The new HP Stream 11 has arrived to our country! I don't know if
Celeron
processor with 2 GB RAM is enough for Windows 8.1 but 209 Euro for
a
laptop I think is good deal. They have in pink and blue with white
keyboard. Looks pretty cool. The storage is 32 GB MMC. I'm
considering
the aquisition as a second machine. That's the kind of thing we
feel
the
need.

All reviews criticise the trackpad quite severely. Here's a typical
one;
http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/11/7...ream-11-review

I'd advise you to try one out before laying your money down.

Ed

The keyboard photos show it doesn't come with Euro sign. The review
says
you can't use a lot of apps at same time. The laptop comes with
Office
365 which is not cheap.

My keyboard doesn't have the Euro sign; but Alt+0128 gets it every
time.
If I used it regularly I'd probably use some utility to replace
either the
pound sterling or dollar key with it.

Ed

Now that you mention, where is the Euro sign in charmap? I was looking
in
Arial font and couldn't find it. I can't do Alt+0128 because my
keyboard is
a small one.

This keyboard doesn't have numlock or numeric keypad. How do I tyoe
special
characters like Alt+0128?

Are you sure there's not a Fn key or similar to change the function of
some keys?

Usually, though, I use Char Map and find the character somewhere in
there, then copy it from there and paste it. It's cumbersome, but it
saves learning how to use the keypad :-)

Also Windows has an onscreen keyboard, which I find too cumbersome to
use, but you might find it to be OK. It does foreign language alphabets,
but I don't know what else it can do - maybe enough for your purposes,
or maybe not.


But the other suggestion here (Stormin' Norman and Ken Blake) of a
keyboard utility program sounds better than anything I wrote.


Well, I admit to having used a similar method for years. I keep a Notepad
file handy, which I call AccentKeys, and it contains many things.
This is it in its entirety;

á=160 *=133 â=131 ä=132
é=130 è=138 ê=136 ë=137
*=161 ì=141 î=0238 ï=139
ó=162 ò=149 ô=147 ö=148
ú=163 ù=151 û=150 ü=0252
æ=145



Symbol
Character Name
Character Code
€ = [Alt]+0128;
À capital A, grave accent [Alt]+0192;
Á capital A, acute accent [Alt]+0193;
 capital A, circumflex accent [Alt]+0194;
à capital A, tilde [Alt]+0195;
Ä capital A, umlaut [Alt]+0196;
Å capital A, ring [Alt]+0197;
Æ capital AE ligature [Alt]+0198;
Ç capital C, cedilla [Alt]+0199;
È capital E, grave accent [Alt]+0200;
É capital E, acute accent [Alt]+0201;
Ê capital E, circumflex accent [Alt]+0202;
Ë capital E, umlaut [Alt]+0203;
Ì capital I, grave accent [Alt]+0204;
Í capital I, acute accent [Alt]+0205;
Î capital I, circumflex accent [Alt]+0206;
Ï capital I, umlaut [Alt]+0207;
Ð capital Eth, Icelandic [Alt]+0208;
Ñ capital N, tilde [Alt]+0209;
Ò capital O, grave accent [Alt]+0210;
Ó capital O, acute accent [Alt]+0211;
Ô capital O, circumflex accent [Alt]+0212;
Õ capital O, tilde [Alt]+0213;
Ö capital O, umlaut [Alt]+0214;
× multiplication sign [Alt]+0215;
Ø capital O, slash [Alt]+0216;
Ù capital U, grave accent [Alt]+0217;
Ú capital U, acute accent [Alt]+0218;
Û capital U, circumflex accent [Alt]+0219;
Ü capital U, umlaut [Alt]+0220;
Ý capital Y, acute accent [Alt]+0221;
Þ capital THORN, Icelandic [Alt]+0222;
ß small ess-tsett (ss), German [Alt]+0223;
* small a, grave accent [Alt]+0224;
á small a, acute accent [Alt]+0225;
â small a, circumflex accent [Alt]+0226;
ã small a, tilde [Alt]+0227;
ä small a, umlaut [Alt]+0228;
å small a, ring [Alt]+0229;
æ small ae ligature [Alt]+0230;
ç small c, cedilla [Alt]+0231;
è small e, grave accent [Alt]+0232;
é small e, acute accent [Alt]+0233;
ê small e, circumflex accent [Alt]+0234;
ë small e, umlaut [Alt]+0235;
ì small i, grave accent [Alt]+0236;
* small i, acute accent [Alt]+0237;
î small i, circumflex accent [Alt]+0238;
ï small i, umlaut [Alt]+0239;
ð small eth, Icelandic [Alt]+0240;
ñ small n, tilde [Alt]+0241;
ò small o, grave accent [Alt]+0242;
ó small o, acute accent [Alt]+0243;
ô small o, circumflex accent [Alt]+0244;
õ small o, tilde [Alt]+0245;
ö small o, umlaut [Alt]+0246;
÷ division sign [Alt]+0247;
ø small o, slash [Alt]+0248;
ù small u, grave accent [Alt]+0249;
ú small u, acute accent [Alt]+0250;
û small u, circumflex accent [Alt]+0251;
ü small u, umlaut [Alt]+0252;
ý small y, acute accent [Alt]+0253;
þ small thorn, Icelandic [Alt]+0254;
ÿ small y, umlaut [Alt]+0255;
¡ inverted exclamation mark [Alt]+0161;
¢ cent sign [Alt]+0162;
£ pound sign [Alt]+0163;
¤ currency sign [Alt]+0164;
¥ yen sign [Alt]+0165;
§ section sign [Alt]+0167;
¨ spacing umlaut [Alt]+0168;
© copyright sign [Alt]+0169;
ª feminine ordinal indicator [Alt]+0170;
« angle quotation mark, left [Alt]+0171;
¬ negation sign [Alt]+0172;
* soft hyphen [Alt]+0173;
® circled R registered sign [Alt]+0174;
¯ spacing macron [Alt]+0175;
° degree sign [Alt]+0176;
± plus-or-minus sign [Alt]+0177;
² superscript 2 [Alt]+0178;
³ superscript 3 [Alt]+0179;
´ spacing acute [Alt]+0180;
µ micro sign [Alt]+0181;
¶ paragraph sign [Alt]+0182;
· middle dot [Alt]+0183;
¸ spacing cedilla [Alt]+0184;
¹ superscript 1 [Alt]+0185;
º masculine ordinal indicator [Alt]+0186;
» angle quotation mark, right [Alt]+0187;
¼ fraction 1/4 [Alt]+0188;
½ fraction 1/2 [Alt]+0189;
¾ fraction 3/4 [Alt]+0190;
¿ inverted question mark [Alt]+0191;
‽ interrobang [Alt]+8253 (in Word)
:-) = Smiley
8-) = Specs smiley




Ed




In Excel there's a function called CHAR() that returns the character from
specific ascii value. I've € for CHAR(128).

  #18  
Old March 8th 15, 02:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ed Cryer
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Default It finally arrived!

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 23:15:28 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:

SNIP

Well, I admit to having used a similar method for years. I keep a
Notepad file handy, which I call AccentKeys, and it contains many things.
This is it in its entirety;


SNIP

Since it's a bespoke file that you created for your own purposes and
since you apparently make much use of it, I suspect your searches for
characters are much quicker than mine :-)

But as Ken intimated, my use of special characters is "seldom". It's too
limited to worry much about the inefficiency.

If that changes I'll change my methods.


I used to correspond quite a lot in Spanish and French. I'd use the Win
keyboards for that.
Nowadays what happens most frequently is that I'll be quoting a foreign
word in an English setting, and I'll just want an ü or an é; and it's
quicker to just copy and paste from the file.

Ed

  #19  
Old March 8th 15, 03:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ed Cryer
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Posts: 2,621
Default It finally arrived!

The Scream wrote:
"Ed Cryer" escreveu na mensagem ...

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2015 11:39:26 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Sat, 7 Mar 2015 17:27:36 -0000, Android99 wrote:

"Android99" escreveu na mensagem ...

"Ed Cryer" escreveu na mensagem ...

Android99 wrote:
"Ed Cryer" escreveu na mensagem ...

Van Storm wrote:
The new HP Stream 11 has arrived to our country! I don't know if
Celeron
processor with 2 GB RAM is enough for Windows 8.1 but 209 Euro
for a
laptop I think is good deal. They have in pink and blue with
white
keyboard. Looks pretty cool. The storage is 32 GB MMC. I'm
considering
the aquisition as a second machine. That's the kind of thing
we feel
the
need.

All reviews criticise the trackpad quite severely. Here's a
typical
one;
http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/11/7...ream-11-review

I'd advise you to try one out before laying your money down.

Ed

The keyboard photos show it doesn't come with Euro sign. The
review says
you can't use a lot of apps at same time. The laptop comes with
Office
365 which is not cheap.

My keyboard doesn't have the Euro sign; but Alt+0128 gets it
every time.
If I used it regularly I'd probably use some utility to replace
either the
pound sterling or dollar key with it.

Ed

Now that you mention, where is the Euro sign in charmap? I was
looking in
Arial font and couldn't find it. I can't do Alt+0128 because my
keyboard is
a small one.

This keyboard doesn't have numlock or numeric keypad. How do I tyoe
special
characters like Alt+0128?

Are you sure there's not a Fn key or similar to change the function of
some keys?

Usually, though, I use Char Map and find the character somewhere in
there, then copy it from there and paste it. It's cumbersome, but it
saves learning how to use the keypad :-)

Also Windows has an onscreen keyboard, which I find too cumbersome to
use, but you might find it to be OK. It does foreign language
alphabets,
but I don't know what else it can do - maybe enough for your purposes,
or maybe not.

But the other suggestion here (Stormin' Norman and Ken Blake) of a
keyboard utility program sounds better than anything I wrote.


Well, I admit to having used a similar method for years. I keep a
Notepad file handy, which I call AccentKeys, and it contains many things.
This is it in its entirety;

á=160 *=133 â=131 ä=132
é=130 è=138 ê=136 ë=137
*=161 ì=141 î=0238 ï=139
ó=162 ò=149 ô=147 ö=148
ú=163 ù=151 û=150 ü=0252
æ=145



Symbol
Character Name
Character Code
€ = [Alt]+0128;
À capital A, grave accent [Alt]+0192;
Á capital A, acute accent [Alt]+0193;
 capital A, circumflex accent [Alt]+0194;
à capital A, tilde [Alt]+0195;
Ä capital A, umlaut [Alt]+0196;
Å capital A, ring [Alt]+0197;
Æ capital AE ligature [Alt]+0198;
Ç capital C, cedilla [Alt]+0199;
È capital E, grave accent [Alt]+0200;
É capital E, acute accent [Alt]+0201;
Ê capital E, circumflex accent [Alt]+0202;
Ë capital E, umlaut [Alt]+0203;
Ì capital I, grave accent [Alt]+0204;
Í capital I, acute accent [Alt]+0205;
Î capital I, circumflex accent [Alt]+0206;
Ï capital I, umlaut [Alt]+0207;
Ð capital Eth, Icelandic [Alt]+0208;
Ñ capital N, tilde [Alt]+0209;
Ò capital O, grave accent [Alt]+0210;
Ó capital O, acute accent [Alt]+0211;
Ô capital O, circumflex accent [Alt]+0212;
Õ capital O, tilde [Alt]+0213;
Ö capital O, umlaut [Alt]+0214;
× multiplication sign [Alt]+0215;
Ø capital O, slash [Alt]+0216;
Ù capital U, grave accent [Alt]+0217;
Ú capital U, acute accent [Alt]+0218;
Û capital U, circumflex accent [Alt]+0219;
Ü capital U, umlaut [Alt]+0220;
Ý capital Y, acute accent [Alt]+0221;
Þ capital THORN, Icelandic [Alt]+0222;
ß small ess-tsett (ss), German [Alt]+0223;
* small a, grave accent [Alt]+0224;
á small a, acute accent [Alt]+0225;
â small a, circumflex accent [Alt]+0226;
ã small a, tilde [Alt]+0227;
ä small a, umlaut [Alt]+0228;
å small a, ring [Alt]+0229;
æ small ae ligature [Alt]+0230;
ç small c, cedilla [Alt]+0231;
è small e, grave accent [Alt]+0232;
é small e, acute accent [Alt]+0233;
ê small e, circumflex accent [Alt]+0234;
ë small e, umlaut [Alt]+0235;
ì small i, grave accent [Alt]+0236;
* small i, acute accent [Alt]+0237;
î small i, circumflex accent [Alt]+0238;
ï small i, umlaut [Alt]+0239;
ð small eth, Icelandic [Alt]+0240;
ñ small n, tilde [Alt]+0241;
ò small o, grave accent [Alt]+0242;
ó small o, acute accent [Alt]+0243;
ô small o, circumflex accent [Alt]+0244;
õ small o, tilde [Alt]+0245;
ö small o, umlaut [Alt]+0246;
÷ division sign [Alt]+0247;
ø small o, slash [Alt]+0248;
ù small u, grave accent [Alt]+0249;
ú small u, acute accent [Alt]+0250;
û small u, circumflex accent [Alt]+0251;
ü small u, umlaut [Alt]+0252;
ý small y, acute accent [Alt]+0253;
þ small thorn, Icelandic [Alt]+0254;
ÿ small y, umlaut [Alt]+0255;
¡ inverted exclamation mark [Alt]+0161;
¢ cent sign [Alt]+0162;
£ pound sign [Alt]+0163;
¤ currency sign [Alt]+0164;
¥ yen sign [Alt]+0165;
§ section sign [Alt]+0167;
¨ spacing umlaut [Alt]+0168;
© copyright sign [Alt]+0169;
ª feminine ordinal indicator [Alt]+0170;
« angle quotation mark, left [Alt]+0171;
¬ negation sign [Alt]+0172;
* soft hyphen [Alt]+0173;
® circled R registered sign [Alt]+0174;
¯ spacing macron [Alt]+0175;
° degree sign [Alt]+0176;
± plus-or-minus sign [Alt]+0177;
² superscript 2 [Alt]+0178;
³ superscript 3 [Alt]+0179;
´ spacing acute [Alt]+0180;
µ micro sign [Alt]+0181;
¶ paragraph sign [Alt]+0182;
· middle dot [Alt]+0183;
¸ spacing cedilla [Alt]+0184;
¹ superscript 1 [Alt]+0185;
º masculine ordinal indicator [Alt]+0186;
» angle quotation mark, right [Alt]+0187;
¼ fraction 1/4 [Alt]+0188;
½ fraction 1/2 [Alt]+0189;
¾ fraction 3/4 [Alt]+0190;
¿ inverted question mark [Alt]+0191;
‽ interrobang [Alt]+8253 (in Word)
:-) = Smiley
8-) = Specs smiley




Ed




In Excel there's a function called CHAR() that returns the character
from specific ascii value. I've € for CHAR(128).


In Word there's an "insert" button on the menu, and it can insert just
about anything; one being "Symbols". You can add characters, edit,
associate with shortcut keys, and it has access to all the fonts installed.

Ed

  #20  
Old March 8th 15, 03:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]
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Default It finally arrived!

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 13:56:43 +0000, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 23:15:28 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:

SNIP

Well, I admit to having used a similar method for years. I keep a
Notepad file handy, which I call AccentKeys, and it contains many things.
This is it in its entirety;


SNIP

Since it's a bespoke file that you created for your own purposes and
since you apparently make much use of it, I suspect your searches for
characters are much quicker than mine :-)

But as Ken intimated, my use of special characters is "seldom". It's too
limited to worry much about the inefficiency.

If that changes I'll change my methods.


I used to correspond quite a lot in Spanish and French. I'd use the Win
keyboards for that.
Nowadays what happens most frequently is that I'll be quoting a foreign
word in an English setting, and I'll just want an or an ; and it's
quicker to just copy and paste from the file.



Let me just add, for both of you, that when you use a program like
WizKey, copy and paste isn't required. You use a mnemonic key
combination, which is much easier and faster So, for example, with
WizKey if you want a , you hold down the Ctrl key and press the comma
key, then press the c key.
  #21  
Old March 8th 15, 04:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ed Cryer
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Default It finally arrived!

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 13:56:43 +0000, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 23:15:28 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
SNIP

Well, I admit to having used a similar method for years. I keep a
Notepad file handy, which I call AccentKeys, and it contains many things.
This is it in its entirety;

SNIP

Since it's a bespoke file that you created for your own purposes and
since you apparently make much use of it, I suspect your searches for
characters are much quicker than mine :-)

But as Ken intimated, my use of special characters is "seldom". It's too
limited to worry much about the inefficiency.

If that changes I'll change my methods.


I used to correspond quite a lot in Spanish and French. I'd use the Win
keyboards for that.
Nowadays what happens most frequently is that I'll be quoting a foreign
word in an English setting, and I'll just want an ü or an é; and it's
quicker to just copy and paste from the file.



Let me just add, for both of you, that when you use a program like
WizKey, copy and paste isn't required. You use a mnemonic key
combination, which is much easier and faster So, for example, with
WizKey if you want a ç, you hold down the Ctrl key and press the comma
key, then press the c key.


Are they all as intuitive as that? I have good reason to ask, because
I've seen many utilities to handle polytonic ancient Greek, and I
constantly had to consult some list before knowing which keys to hit.
It's still the same with the Win polytonic Greek keyboard.
κατέβην χθὲς εἰς *ειραιᾶ takes some time to input.

Ed


  #22  
Old March 8th 15, 04:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
David Rance[_2_]
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Default It finally arrived!

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:55:38 Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 13:56:43 +0000, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 23:15:28 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
SNIP

Well, I admit to having used a similar method for years. I keep a
Notepad file handy, which I call AccentKeys, and it contains many things.
This is it in its entirety;

SNIP

Since it's a bespoke file that you created for your own purposes and
since you apparently make much use of it, I suspect your searches for
characters are much quicker than mine :-)

But as Ken intimated, my use of special characters is "seldom". It's too
limited to worry much about the inefficiency.

If that changes I'll change my methods.


I used to correspond quite a lot in Spanish and French. I'd use the Win
keyboards for that.
Nowadays what happens most frequently is that I'll be quoting a foreign
word in an English setting, and I'll just want an or an ; and it's
quicker to just copy and paste from the file.



Let me just add, for both of you, that when you use a program like
WizKey, copy and paste isn't required. You use a mnemonic key
combination, which is much easier and faster So, for example, with
WizKey if you want a , you hold down the Ctrl key and press the comma
key, then press the c key.


That works for Word without Wizkey!

David

--
David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK
  #23  
Old March 8th 15, 07:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]
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Posts: 1,699
Default It finally arrived!

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 15:07:58 +0000, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:


Let me just add, for both of you, that when you use a program like
WizKey, copy and paste isn't required. You use a mnemonic key
combination, which is much easier and faster So, for example, with
WizKey if you want a , you hold down the Ctrl key and press the comma
key, then press the c key.


Are they all as intuitive as that? I have good reason to ask, because
I've seen many utilities to handle polytonic ancient Greek, and I
constantly had to consult some list before knowing which keys to hit.
It's still the same with the Win polytonic Greek keyboard.
??????? ???? ??? ??????? takes some time to input.



Go to http://tinyurl.com/krzhrds
or
https://antibody-software.com/web/so...de-characters/
You can see them there.

Ken
  #24  
Old March 8th 15, 07:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]
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Posts: 1,699
Default It finally arrived!

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 15:54:04 +0000, David Rance
wrote:


Let me just add, for both of you, that when you use a program like
WizKey, copy and paste isn't required. You use a mnemonic key
combination, which is much easier and faster So, for example, with
WizKey if you want a , you hold down the Ctrl key and press the comma
key, then press the c key.


That works for Word without Wizkey!



Word is just one program. Most of us use several different programs
into which we enter text (word processor, notepad, e-mail client,
newsreader, browser, etc.) and as far as I'm concerned, there's a
great advantage to having everything work the same way in different
programs.

Moreover, not everyone use Word as their word processor. For example,
I use WordPerfect, which I like much better than Word. And although I
can also create all kids of keyboard shortcuts in WordPerfect, I
prefer not to do it there, for the reason above.

  #25  
Old March 8th 15, 11:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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Default It finally arrived!

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 07:55:38 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 13:56:43 +0000, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 23:15:28 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
SNIP

Well, I admit to having used a similar method for years. I keep a
Notepad file handy, which I call AccentKeys, and it contains many things.
This is it in its entirety;

SNIP

Since it's a bespoke file that you created for your own purposes and
since you apparently make much use of it, I suspect your searches for
characters are much quicker than mine :-)

But as Ken intimated, my use of special characters is "seldom". It's too
limited to worry much about the inefficiency.

If that changes I'll change my methods.


I used to correspond quite a lot in Spanish and French. I'd use the Win
keyboards for that.
Nowadays what happens most frequently is that I'll be quoting a foreign
word in an English setting, and I'll just want an or an ; and it's
quicker to just copy and paste from the file.


Let me just add, for both of you, that when you use a program like
WizKey, copy and paste isn't required. You use a mnemonic key
combination, which is much easier and faster So, for example, with
WizKey if you want a , you hold down the Ctrl key and press the comma
key, then press the c key.


I understand that, of course. But my usage is as Ed described, and since
I'm not so good at learning KB shortcuts and even mnemonic sequences,
that will suffice unless my usage changes a lot.

BTW, on my Android devices, Google Translate and the system keyboards
work quit well for my style and needs, although just Friday I was
surprised & disappointed to see that there's no Breton translation
available.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
 




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