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OT - does Google send e-mails about security??
On 04 Feb 2018, "Linea Recta" wrote in
alt.windows7.general: "Nil" schreef in bericht ... Google explains it he https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255 Thanks very much, that did the job! I had no idea I was using an "app". I thought VistaMail was called a program, or client if you will. I don't use any apps on no mobile phone. Just VM on two computers with Windows 7. Are all conventional clients, like Thunderbird etc. also considered unsafe by Google? The term "app" has been co-opted by mobile device companies. To me it has always been short for "application", or a compiled program of any kind, and I still use it that way. Nowadays "app" has come to refer more to the toy programs sold in Google Play or Microsoft's and Apple's online store. I guess I should be take care to be distinguish between "app" and "program" to avoid confusion. But I guess I'm not the only one, since Google is using "app" in the broader sense here, referring to any email program that's not using their OAuth security scheme as a "less secure app". |
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OT - does Google send e-mails about security?? YES
On 2/4/2018 5:57 AM, Linea Recta scribbled: "Paul" schreef in bericht news Linea Recta wrote: "Nil" schreef in bericht ... On 03 Feb 2018, "Linea Recta" wrote in alt.windows7.general: I logged into my gmail account with chrome and "solved" a security risk by clicking the advised button. Now my settings are supposed to be more secure. As a result I cant log in anymore with my client Vista Mail, I keep getting a message to use the browser for web mail. I'm not a hacker, just dont want to use web mail. Wasted the whole day trying to turn this back. What can I do to return to the previous situation? Vista Mail is considered by Google to be a "less secure app". In order to use it, you have to go back to Google and allow less secure apps. It's really not "less secure", it just doesn't use Google's preferred security scheme. Google explains it he https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255 Thanks very much, that did the job! I had no idea I was using an "app". I thought VistaMail was called a program, or client if you will. I don't use any apps on no mobile phone. Just VM on two computers with Windows 7. Are all conventional clients, like Thunderbird etc. also considered unsafe by Google? They added OAUTH2 to Thunderbird, but I think Thunderbird users are expected to turn that off now. Maybe it's not working as intended this week ? I don't know the reasons not to use it. OAUTH2 requires a web client to do the authentication. This is a violation of "email clients use email authentication methods". However, to appease Google, Thunderbird (which is really a copy of Firefox and has a web rendering engine anyway), added support for OAUTH2. Now, whether that's enough to appease Google, who knows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oauth When you're dealing with Google for services, you're dealing with "a vending machine nobody services". Paul Well, I suppose I'm getting old and having problems increasingly to keep up with developments, as they keep inventing new difficulties. Of course security is important and I use the google identification by cell phone number, using an old Nokia (with internet access disabled). I hope that's secure enough. The whole issue started with an unexpected e-mail from google. Nowadays I receive more e-mails "from companies" with "easy" links. I never use those because you can trust nobody nowadays. Criminals are imitating these sort of e-mails, so the only alternative seems to keep checking everything and doing everything by hand ALLWAYS. Google is a problem altogether because they believe they can monitor your computer. So if you like to use private browser, such as a private network, they will send you all kinds of security emails saying your not you. In reality, they are ass holes that have absolute no security at all to offer you. If someone wants to hack you, they will. Same is to be said about life lock. They offer nothing, and take your money. What is smart to do, is get you some malware removers, such as simple made items, not like antivirus type software, that will set the machine back in its original state without removing your important files. It only removes malware. Many hackers use malware to get inside a machine foolingyou. Believe me, no cell phone number makes anything secure when your using a password and a user name. IF you use a private network, and log in to google, they will claim your not you as i said. Now thats security to keep you out of your account. Great right. Besides, they let anyone email anyone. what is email anyway is what you need to ask yourself. Especially if you may change your cell number. then the opps i forgot happens to you, and your back in the soup again locked out. yup, we hackers don't care. The cell numbers can be found the same as your password and user. This is reality of the web. Maybe you should find something else besides email. WE do use Retro Share ourselves. Its a whole new way of speaking to friends. Safely. And without corporate thieves. |
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OT - does Google send e-mails about security??
"Linea Recta" wrote
| Thanks very much, that did the job! | I had no idea I was using an "app". I thought VistaMail was called a | program, or client if you will. Just fads in terminology. Apple popularized "app" for phones. Regular software is typically called a program. Some people say application. The problem with that is that the use is the application, not the program. It's only an application when it's used to do something. That's similar to Microsoft calling a software project a "solution". It's not a solution until the software is finished and used to solve a problem, obviously. But Microsoft are very good at coming up with valorizing jargon. It gets even more confusing because there's a trend toward "deprecating" actual software in favor of Metro/RT/Universal "apps" that are little more than webpages. And those can run on Win8/10, while MS doesn't have a phone anymore to have apps on. What runs on phones is really applets, trinkets, or webpages. But application makes it sound more functional. I guess you can count your blessings in the knowledge that at least no one still talks about running a proggie on their lappy. |
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OT - does Google send e-mails about security??
On 02/04/2018 9:19 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Linea Recta" wrote | Thanks very much, that did the job! | I had no idea I was using an "app". I thought VistaMail was called a | program, or client if you will. Just fads in terminology. Apple popularized "app" for phones. Regular software is typically called a program. Some people say application. The problem with that is that the use is the application, not the program. It's only an application when it's used to do something. That's similar to Microsoft calling a software project a "solution". It's not a solution until the software is finished and used to solve a problem, obviously. But Microsoft are very good at coming up with valorizing jargon. It gets even more confusing because there's a trend toward "deprecating" actual software in favor of Metro/RT/Universal "apps" that are little more than webpages. And those can run on Win8/10, while MS doesn't have a phone anymore to have apps on. What runs on phones is really applets, trinkets, or webpages. But application makes it sound more functional. I guess you can count your blessings in the knowledge that at least no one still talks about running a proggie on their lappy. those 2 words in the same sentence are enough to make your stomach churn. Rene |
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