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Can Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint & with fonts?
Am Mon, 9 Apr 2018 16:01:02 -0400, schrieb Neil:
I didn't see Ken's comments as all that complex, and I certainly didn't reference anything beyond what he addressed to me. In that context, no facts were added to my comments in your response, as they referenced posts that I was not involved in. I saw it merely as an attempt to draw me into the interaction between the two of you, and I'm not interested in that. OK Neil. Fair enough. I accept fact since I'm extremely intelligent and very well educated and hence, I have no problem discussing facts with people who act like adults are supposed to act. We don't have to agree on opinions - but we should be able to agree on facts. As I understand the term "mostly", it would mean that the majority of his comments were wrong. I saw only 1 out of the 4 as such. That means that he was "mostly" right, and that your assessment is wrong. We're getting nowhere here, Neil. Really. We can go down Ken's list, where I was actually being extremely nice by saying "mostly", simply because he was almost completely wrong, if not totally wrong on all counts, but I really don't want to argue this fact. Let's just state what he said: Hi, Neil, I just finished reading this entire thread, and the more I read, the more angry I got. Since I wasn't going to offer any solutions, I was able to stand back and look at Ragnusen's project as he described it. And I came to the following conclusions... 1. Failure to follow the 6P rule. 2. Lack of knowledge about computer software available to do the job. 3. Insistence on using the wrong tools for the job. Cost is a red herring here. I see this all the time, and wonder if business owners realize how much money they are losing due to ignorance on their part. I wish Ragnusen had posted a couple samples of the desired finished product, or the general idea. I suspect there are hours and hours in this that was not necessary. Kind of feel sorry for the folks involved in this. And, I don't even know them. :-( I can't find a *single* thing he said that was actually correct. Assuming 6P means: Prior Preparation Prevents **** Poor Performace, what the hell does Ken think the thread was about anyway? A. Ken says he read the thread, and yet, he got *everything* wrong. B. That can only mean Ken lied - or - Ken can't comprehend English. C. Then he plays the silly 6P game - which is as dead wrong as can be. D. Furthermore, he plays the "missing data" card, which is dead wrong. E. And then he plays the silly "I'm sorry for them" idiotic card. F. Worse, he complains of the "wrong tools" where that is just dead wrong. Ken didn't understand the problem set. And yet, he feels the wrong tools were used. His "right tools" are left unstated, of course. I inferred his "right" tools are vector graphic tools, which we've already hashed out are like using nuclear bombs to try to catch fish. *Ken was dead wrong about everything he said.* Q: Did Ken get *anything* even close to right? A: The answer is no. I was being extremely nice when I posited he was "mostly wrong". He was completely wrong on all counts. But I'm not here to win a silly ****ing contest where I have to defend to you the mere fact that Ken didn't get a single statement correct in his entire tirade. This kind of "snipping" is not useful, as it destroys context. Why do you do that? Q: What is the good quoting etiquette? A: http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?quoting I think Ken didn't understand that a score of people have to be able to follow the process. That is not relevant to the comments he made in the post under discussion. Your "process" is problematic in the ways that he noted. C'mon Neil. Don't play that silly game. I am not as stupid as you'll need me to be in order to not realize that Ken is saying we used the wrong tools, when Ken clearly doesn't understand the problem set. Remember, Ken got *zero* facts right in his post. Zero. Need I repeat that? Zero. Ken got zero facts right, and yet, Ken states we didn't do the 6P preparation, and then he says we used the wrong tools. Of course, Ken doesn't understand the problem set, so does Ken propose the "right tools"? Of course not. *Ken clearly does not understand the problem set.* That's as clear as day. I'm not as dumb as you will need me to be to believe otherwise. *Otherwise, why else is _every_ statement by Ken dead wrong on facts?* See my comments about insults (below), and that is why I understood his frustration. Ken is frustrated because he lacks the intelligence to comprehend the problem set, so he assaults the solution, without even bothering to provide the courtesy of proposing a better solution that *fits* the problem set. Despite the fact that Ken doesn't understand the problem set, we can still resolve this silly issue you have with Ken's crazy statements very simply. All Ken has to do is propose a solution. See? Simple. Is it gonna happen? Hehhehhehheh... HINT: Ken clearly doesn't even understand the problem. |
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On 4/9/2018 5:34 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Mon, 9 Apr 2018 16:01:02 -0400, schrieb Neil: I didn't see Ken's comments as all that complex, and I certainly didn't reference anything beyond what he addressed to me. In that context, no facts were added to my comments in your response, as they referenced posts that I was not involved in. I saw it merely as an attempt to draw me into the interaction between the two of you, and I'm not interested in that. OK Neil. Fair enough. I accept fact since I'm extremely intelligent and very well educated and hence, I have no problem discussing facts with people who act like adults are supposed to act. We don't have to agree on opinions - but we should be able to agree on facts. Yes, we disagree on our opinions about the accuracy of Ken's post to me. (rest of the second attempt to draw me into an interaction between you and Ken deleted) -- best regards, Neil |
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Am Mon, 9 Apr 2018 20:34:48 -0400, schrieb Neil:
Yes, we disagree on our opinions about the accuracy of Ken's post to me. Hi Neil, I'm different from you since I speak facts, and, I back them up (as I just did). You don't apparently speak facts Ken, and, worse, you, Ken, apparently can't back up your own statement above. To wit: - Name a single statement that Ken made that wasn't patently false. Just one. |
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Am Tue, 10 Apr 2018 09:02:12 -0700, schrieb Ragnusen Ultred:
Hi Neil, I'm different from you since I speak facts, and, I back them up (as I just did). You don't apparently speak facts Ken, and, worse, you, Ken, apparently can't back up your own statement above. To wit: - Name a single statement that Ken made that wasn't patently false. Just one. Oops. Since there are children here who like to play silly semantic games, I'll note publicly I accidentally mixed the two of you up since you, Neil, and Ken, are so extremely similar in not comprehending facts and in not backing up anything you say with facts. So I repeat, corrected... Hi Neil, *I'm different from you since I speak facts*, and, I back them up (as I just did). *You don't apparently speak facts Neil*, and, worse, you, Neil, apparently can't back up your own statement above. To wit: - *Name a single statement that Ken made that wasn't patently false.* Just one. |
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On 4/10/2018 12:09 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Tue, 10 Apr 2018 09:02:12 -0700, schrieb Ragnusen Ultred: Hi Neil, I'm different from you since I speak facts, and, I back them up (as I just did). You don't apparently speak facts Ken, and, worse, you, Ken, apparently can't back up your own statement above. To wit: - Name a single statement that Ken made that wasn't patently false. Just one. Oops. Since there are children here who like to play silly semantic games, I'll note publicly I accidentally mixed the two of you up since you, Neil, and Ken, are so extremely similar in not comprehending facts and in not backing up anything you say with facts. How ironic. You get the facts of who you are referring to wrong, and resort to insulting those who might be reading this thread (for some unknown reason as there is nothing of value here). So I repeat, corrected... Hi Neil, *I'm different from you since I speak facts*, and, I back them up (as I just did). No, you did not, and you still don't understand why. *You don't apparently speak facts Neil*, and, worse, you, Neil, apparently can't back up your own statement above. What statement might that be, since your consistently bad snipping excluded *all* statements by me. I'm done with this nonsense. -- best regards, Neil |
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On 10/04/2018 19:29, Neil wrote:
I'm done with this nonsense. You were unbelieveably tolerant, Neil! Kudos :-) -- David B. |
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Update from the printers... the Mac Adobe Illustrator screwed up when it
read in the Window AI file with the fonts converted to shapes. ----- here is the email from the printer ----- We will figure it out. You don't need to do anymore. When importing a file from an older version of AI into a newer version, the layers collect information into what are called "compound paths". This messes up what has been outlined somehow. I can normally fix it, but the file from you has 10 layers of compound paths, which is not normal. You didn't do anything wrong. I hope to fix this file tomorrow for the guys to get the printing process going. |
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On 4/18/2018 7:19 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Update from the printers... the Mac Adobe Illustrator screwed up when it read in the Window AI file with the fonts converted to shapes. ----- here is the email from the printer ----- We will figure it out. You don't need to do anymore. When importing a file from an older version of AI into a newer version, the layers collect information into what are called "compound paths". This messes up what has been outlined somehow. I can normally fix it, but the file from you has 10 layers of compound paths, which is not normal. You didn't do anything wrong. I hope to fix this file tomorrow for the guys to get the printing process going. It's good that they're being so nice to you, because they want your business. However, what you ran into is no surprise to me. The reality is that _when Illustrator is used correctly_, the PC and Mac versions are completely compatible. Illustrator is a complex program that requires users to have a good understanding of vector graphics programs. I've used this program for over 30 years, but perhaps you and Paul can come up with some "Googled solutions". 8-P -- best regards, Neil |
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Can Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint & with fonts?
Am Wed, 18 Apr 2018 20:17:22 -0400, schrieb Neil:
It's good that they're being so nice to you, because they want your business. However, what you ran into is no surprise to me. The reality is that _when Illustrator is used correctly_, the PC and Mac versions are completely compatible. Illustrator is a complex program that requires users to have a good understanding of vector graphics programs. I've used this program for over 30 years, but perhaps you and Paul can come up with some "Googled solutions". 8-P Hi Neil, Thanks for your words of both caution and wisdom, and, for the little dig at the end, which I smiled at. I'm just reporting what they told me, so, I wish I knew more; but I just don't. Since I had to re-create the files for the shop, I took the one page template (bearing in mind that the actual file is a score of signs and not just the one sign in the template) and posted them, just now, just in case someone has a later Adobe Illustrator who can read in the AI file that I created from Windows to figure out what AI is screwing up exactly. Here are the updated files from Adobe Illustrator in CS2 on Windows. 0. With the Roadgeek 2005 Series B font set already installed into the system font directory on windows... http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005 https://www119.zippyshare.com/v/333rxp7d/file.html 1. Starting with signs.pptx from MS Office 2007 on Windows which has the entire font set embedded but which only uses "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" fonts. https://www119.zippyshare.com/v/EqdGVdCQ/file.html 2. I saved that as PDF using the official Microsoft Office Save-as-PDF plugin, with embedded fonts saved into the PDF as signs.pdf. https://www119.zippyshare.com/v/Zf65nNnd/file.html 3. I opened that PDF with Adobe Illustrator 12.0 from CS2 on Windows, which popped up a form saying: - Illustrator PDF: Warnings - The document contains PDF objects that have been reinterpreted: - The font Roadgeek#202005#20Series#20B is missing. (sic) - Affected text will be displayed using a substitute font. (sic) - I substituted the RoadGeek font 4. I then selected all with control a, and then pressed AI: Type Font (I selected "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" using the dumbest GUI there could possibly be for a font selection, which is to endlessly scroll, manually, since typing "R" doesn't work and AI is too stupid to have a scroll bar - but no big deal, eventually it scrolled to the Roadgeek 2005 Series B font to then save as "signs_with_font_substituted.ai". https://www119.zippyshare.com/v/Dm3XIJJm/file.html 5. I then pressed control+a and then control+shift+o to create outlines and saved that ai file as "signs_with_outlines.ai" https://www119.zippyshare.com/v/JGit6LU6/file.html 6 And then I chose EPS to save as "signs_with_outlines.eps" https://www119.zippyshare.com/v/Vj43bvg2/file.html 7. And then I saved as SVG as "signs_with_outlines.svg". https://www119.zippyshare.com/v/KMSPgaup/file.html When the #4 signs_with_outlines.ai is read into a current Mac Adobe AI at the printers, the outlines are all screwed up as explained earlier today. |
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On 4/18/2018 9:21 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Wed, 18 Apr 2018 20:17:22 -0400, schrieb Neil: It's good that they're being so nice to you, because they want your business. However, what you ran into is no surprise to me. The reality is that _when Illustrator is used correctly_, the PC and Mac versions are completely compatible. Illustrator is a complex program that requires users to have a good understanding of vector graphics programs. I've used this program for over 30 years, but perhaps you and Paul can come up with some "Googled solutions". 8-P Hi Neil, Thanks for your words of both caution and wisdom, and, for the little dig at the end, which I smiled at. I'm just reporting what they told me, so, I wish I knew more; but I just don't. Since I had to re-create the files for the shop, I took the one page template (bearing in mind that the actual file is a score of signs and not just the one sign in the template) and posted them, just now, just in case someone has a later Adobe Illustrator who can read in the AI file that I created from Windows to figure out what AI is screwing up exactly. Your problem is not the version of AI. Adobe products are backwards compatible and cross-platform compatible. Your problem is the lack of knowledge that you are coming to realize and the solution is the same one I suggested a number of times in this thread: HIRE A PROFESSIONAL. -- best regards, Neil |
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Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 08:06:00 -0400, schrieb Neil:
Your problem is not the version of AI. Adobe products are backwards compatible and cross-platform compatible. Your problem is the lack of knowledge that you are coming to realize and the solution is the same one I suggested a number of times in this thread: HIRE A PROFESSIONAL. Hi Neil, I completely understand everything you say, since what you say we all knew before the thread was opened. It adds zero value, when people are actually *doing things* to say hire a professional. It's like someone wants to install Windows 10, and you say "HIRE A PROFESSIONAL". It's like someone asks how to set up the Windows start menu, and you say "HIRE A PROFESSIONAL". It's like someone asks how to prevent Windows from updating, and you say "HIRE A PROFESSIONAL". It's like someone asks which is the best font for road signs, and you say "HIRE A PROFESSIONAL". It's like someone asks what application draws arrows and you say "HIRE A PROFESSIONAL". It's like someone asks what's a good encryption tool and you say "HIRE A PROFESSIONAL". I suspect you don't understand a single word I wrote above, so let's just say that I think you should get professional help. |
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On 4/20/2018 8:04 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Thu, 19 Apr 2018 08:06:00 -0400, schrieb Neil: Your problem is not the version of AI. Adobe products are backwards compatible and cross-platform compatible. Your problem is the lack of knowledge that you are coming to realize and the solution is the same one I suggested a number of times in this thread: HIRE A PROFESSIONAL. Hi Neil, I completely understand everything you say, since what you say we all knew before the thread was opened. It adds zero value, when people are actually *doing things* to say hire a professional. If you think what you're "doing" is the right way to go about the task, then you are more clueless than I thought earlier. It's like someone wants to install Windows 10, and you say "HIRE A PROFESSIONAL". I *would* say that to someone who has the lack experience with computers that you have with graphic arts. I suspect you don't understand a single word I wrote above, so let's just say that I think you should get professional help. Well, I doubt that you'd find a lot of support for your ignorant presumptions about my ability to understand what you write. OTOH, you don't even understand the ignorance embedded in your own writing, so if someone needs professional help, it's you. -- best regards, Neil |
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