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On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:55:02 -0700, scarecrow wrote:
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:14:09 -0700, scarecrow With my memory starved Windows 32 GB tablet (Asus T100) You don't mean *memory* starved. Yes I do. Perhaps I should have said 'internal' memory if you are confused but memory is what it is. "Computer data storage, often called storage or memory", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_data_storage Very few of us have computers with 32-GB of *memory*, Mine does. Perhaps you meant 32 GB of RAM? You mean disk-space starved. No I don't. There's no mechanical 'disk' anywhere in this machine. "Storage size for the unit includes a 64 GB eMMC internal memory" http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/14...view-specs.htm Please don't mix the two terms up. In this case, I didn't have any trouble understanding what you meant, but it's very easy to mislead and confuse people if you don't correctly differentiate between the two terms. Yes teacher. But wouldn't the teacher have shown more skill to use the more exact terms RAM and SSD in his lesson? I find hunting and destroying unnecessary files a good thing. I can usually find a GB or so in just few months. Many Apps are just plain hoarders. The MS News app and the Google cache are two good examples. I imagine that they just figure most are running 500 GB drives these days so why not. Yes, I didn't say and I didn't mean that deleting unneeded files wasn't a good thing. My point was that doing so does not speed up your computer. Yes, it can save you disk space, and (although for most of us, it hardly matters), for some people, that savings can be very valuable. My comment was just an observation that there are times when clearing out the files is a good thing. Especially when you have a computer with only 32 GB of memory... Well, I agree with Ken and disagree with you. "Memory" is usually reserved to mean RAM and storage to mean a disk drive or equivalent. Here's a copy and paste from a ZDNet review (since Asus wasn't helpful - they sent me to a Japanese site, which I can't read): QUOTE Processor 1.33 GHz Intel Atom Quad-core (Bay Trail) Memory 2GB Display 10.1-inch, 1366x768, IPS Camera 1.2MP OS Windows 8.1 Storage 32GB SSD /QUOTE I replaced the tabs with spaces for clarity. Long and short URLs: http://www.zdnet.com/article/six-mon...indows-hybrid/ http://tinyurl.com/plhkzxh -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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"Gene E. Bloch" wrote:
"Memory" is usually reserved to mean RAM and storage to mean a disk drive or equivalent. Your key word there is "usually". But RAM a better term and leaves no doubt. As perhaps storage would have been in my post. But when I was complaining about my memory starved 32 GB T100 computer did you really have any doubt as to what I meant? If I really had 32 GB of RAM would I be complaining?? IMO the context left no doubt. Except in the mind of our resident condescending AH teacher of course. Here's a copy and paste from a ZDNet review (since Asus wasn't helpful - they sent me to a Japanese site, which I can't read): QUOTE Memory 2GB Storage 32GB SSD I see yours and raise you one: From a Walmart ad: "Asus T100 10.1" Tablet 64GB Memory Windows 8.1" http://www.walmart.com/ip/Refurbishe...-Touc/29461851 |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:15:14 -0700, scarecrow
wrote: "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: "Memory" is usually reserved to mean RAM and storage to mean a disk drive or equivalent. Your key word there is "usually". But RAM a better term and leaves no doubt. As perhaps storage would have been in my post. But when I was complaining about my memory starved 32 GB T100 computer did you really have any doubt as to what I meant? If I really had 32 GB of RAM would I be complaining?? IMO the context left no doubt. Except in the mind of our resident condescending AH teacher of course. Here's a copy and paste from a ZDNet review (since Asus wasn't helpful - they sent me to a Japanese site, which I can't read): QUOTE Memory 2GB Storage 32GB SSD I see yours and raise you one: From a Walmart ad: "Asus T100 10.1" Tablet 64GB Memory Windows 8.1" http://www.walmart.com/ip/Refurbishe...-Touc/29461851 You win. Technical cites don't get any better than walmart.com. |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:15:14 -0700, scarecrow "Asus T100 10.1" Tablet 64GB Memory Windows 8.1" http://www.walmart.com/ip/Refurbishe...-Touc/29461851 You win. Technical cites don't get any better than walmart.com. Thanks. A laptop review website any better for you? "The Transformer Book T100's 64GB of eMMc memory booted into Windows 8.1 in a modest 17 seconds, about on par with the 16.5-second category average." http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/tab...rmer-book-t100 |
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On 2/27/2015 12:32 AM, scarecrow wrote:
You win. Technical cites don't get any better than walmart.com. Thanks. A laptop review website any better for you? "The Transformer Book T100's 64GB of eMMc memory booted into Windows 8.1 in a modest 17 seconds, about on par with the 16.5-second category average." http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/tab...rmer-book-t100 I have no statistics but from reading several help forums for various computer system and software, I believe that at least 25 to 30% of the problems people have when asking for help is using terms that confuse the people trying to help. 32GB of memory vs 32 GB of permanent storage would certainly confuse any one requesting help. Another problem is when people ask for help and say they have Windows 8 when in fact they have Windows 8 RT. It makes a difference. Apps is another miss used term. I have seen it used for a program of with significant lines of code to a shortcut on someones browser toolbar. Again the implication in asking questions is significant. I sometime think the technogeeks use confusing language to keep the mystery in computers, so they can continue getting their big pay checks. If you have a problem you will get better and quicker resolution if you take the time to learn as much as you can about your problem and ask the question in commonly accepted terminology of the people you are asking the question |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:29:42 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:55:02 -0700, scarecrow wrote: "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:14:09 -0700, scarecrow With my memory starved Windows 32 GB tablet (Asus T100) You don't mean *memory* starved. Yes I do. Perhaps I should have said 'internal' memory if you are confused but memory is what it is. "Computer data storage, often called storage or memory", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_data_storage Very few of us have computers with 32-GB of *memory*, Mine does. Perhaps you meant 32 GB of RAM? You mean disk-space starved. No I don't. There's no mechanical 'disk' anywhere in this machine. "Storage size for the unit includes a 64 GB eMMC internal memory" http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/14...view-specs.htm Please don't mix the two terms up. In this case, I didn't have any trouble understanding what you meant, but it's very easy to mislead and confuse people if you don't correctly differentiate between the two terms. Yes teacher. But wouldn't the teacher have shown more skill to use the more exact terms RAM and SSD in his lesson? I find hunting and destroying unnecessary files a good thing. I can usually find a GB or so in just few months. Many Apps are just plain hoarders. The MS News app and the Google cache are two good examples. I imagine that they just figure most are running 500 GB drives these days so why not. Yes, I didn't say and I didn't mean that deleting unneeded files wasn't a good thing. My point was that doing so does not speed up your computer. Yes, it can save you disk space, and (although for most of us, it hardly matters), for some people, that savings can be very valuable. My comment was just an observation that there are times when clearing out the files is a good thing. Especially when you have a computer with only 32 GB of memory... Well, I agree with Ken and disagree with you. "Memory" is usually reserved to mean RAM and storage to mean a disk drive or equivalent. Yes. "Or equivalent" is key here. I am well aware that tablets never (or at least almost never) have mechanical disk drives; although there are no physical disks in an SSD, an SSD is an *equivalent* of a disk drive. I use the word "disk" very loosely in what I posted, because it's important not to use the word "memory" the way he used it, since it is likely to confuse people. And of course even a physical disk drive is a *kind* of memory. However in the computer world the term is not used that way; do so only if you don't care if readers of your message get confused. |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:15:14 -0700, scarecrow
wrote: "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: "Memory" is usually reserved to mean RAM and storage to mean a disk drive or equivalent. Your key word there is "usually". But RAM a better term and leaves no doubt. As perhaps storage would have been in my post. Yes, my point exactly. But when I was complaining about my memory starved 32 GB T100 computer did you really have any doubt as to what I meant? As I said, "In this case, I didn't have any trouble understanding what you meant, but it's very easy to mislead and confuse people if you don't correctly differentiate between the two terms." I don't want to speak for Gene, but I greatly doubt whether he had any trouble either. |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 07:43:01 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote: I have no statistics but from reading several help forums for various computer system and software, I believe that at least 25 to 30% of the problems people have when asking for help is using terms that confuse the people trying to help. 32GB of memory vs 32 GB of permanent storage would certainly confuse any one requesting help. Another problem is when people ask for help and say they have Windows 8 when in fact they have Windows 8 RT. It makes a difference. Yes. Or Outlook when they mean Outlook Express or Outlook.com. Apps is another miss used term. I have seen it used for a program of with significant lines of code to a shortcut on someones browser toolbar. Again the implication in asking questions is significant. Yes. I sometime think the technogeeks use confusing language to keep the mystery in computers, so they can continue getting their big pay checks. If you have a problem you will get better and quicker resolution if you take the time to learn as much as you can about your problem and ask the question in commonly accepted terminology of the people you are asking the question Yes. "Commonly accepted terminology" is key. |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 07:43:01 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote: I have no statistics but from reading several help forums for various computer system and software, I believe that at least 25 to 30% of the problems people have when asking for help is using terms that confuse the people trying to help. 32GB of memory vs 32 GB of permanent storage would certainly confuse any one requesting help. Another problem is when people ask for help and say they have Windows 8 when in fact they have Windows 8 RT. It makes a difference. Apps is another miss used term. I have seen it used for a program of with significant lines of code to a shortcut on someones browser toolbar. Again the implication in asking questions is significant. I sometime think the technogeeks use confusing language to keep the mystery in computers, so they can continue getting their big pay checks. If you have a problem you will get better and quicker resolution if you take the time to learn as much as you can about your problem and ask the question in commonly accepted terminology of the people you are asking the question Along those lines, I wish a certain lady would stop calling me to tell me that the Internet is down. Ma'am, the Internet isn't down. :-) In her case, she seems to pick up malware every month or so that hijacks IE and points it at a proxy server. MBAM cleans it up, but doesn't reset IE's proxy settings, so IE points to a dead proxy and no pages load. Easy fix, and much easier than bringing up the Internet if it were down. |
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have no statistics but from reading several help forums for various computer system and software, I believe that at least 25 to 30% of the problems people have when asking for help is using terms that confuse the people trying to help. 32GB of memory vs 32 GB of permanent storage would certainly confuse any one requesting help. Maybe, but not in my case. 1. If you ask any non-technical person how much memory his tablet has he will invariably give you the storage memory, not RAM. 2. Tell any technical person that your tablet has 32GB of memory and he will invariably understand that you mean storage memory. not RAM. So in my case when I said my tablet has 32GB of memory both the tech and non-tech people should have understood me if 1 and 2 above are reasonable assumptions. |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:32:02 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:14:11 -0700, scarecrow wrote: So in my case when I said my tablet has 32GB of memory both the tech and non-tech people should have understood me if 1 and 2 above are reasonable assumptions. Any engineer / technician worth their daily salt will never make assumptions. If something is in doubt, the problem solver is responsible for clarifying the issue. If clarifying assertions of the customer is too tedious, then the service provider should find a new occupation or hobby as they will end up making errors, doing harm or wasting resources. IMHO. A strong ditto! |
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Stormin' Norman wrote:
scarecrow wrote: 1. If you ask any non-technical person how much memory his tablet has he will invariably give you the storage memory, not RAM. 2. Tell any technical person that your tablet has 32GB of memory and he will invariably understand that you mean storage memory. not RAM. So in my case when I said my tablet has 32GB of memory both the tech and non-tech people should have understood me if 1 and 2 above are reasonable assumptions. Any engineer / technician worth their daily salt will never make assumptions. I notice that you didn't refute my assumptions. Perhaps because they're not only reasonable but invariably true. If something is in doubt, But nothing was in doubt in my particular statement. Or did I actually confuse you and you thought that my Asus tablet actually had 32 GB of RAM? the problem solver is responsible for clarifying the issue. If clarifying assertions of the customer is too tedious, then the service provider should find a new occupation or hobby as they will end up making errors, doing harm or wasting resources. IMHO. And if one was confused that my (or any) tablet actually has 32 GB of RAM then perhaps they are the one who should be looking for another hobby or occupation. IMHO. |
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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
I am well aware that tablets never (or at least almost never) have mechanical disk drives; although there are no physical disks in an SSD, an SSD is an *equivalent* of a disk drive. I use the word "disk" very loosely You used the word '"disk" loosely as I used the word "memory" loosely perhaps? in what I posted, because it's important not to use the word "memory" the way he used it, since it is likely to confuse people. Saying a tablet has a disk won't confuse people? And of course even a physical disk drive is a *kind* of memory. However in the computer world the term is not used that way; do so only if you don't care if readers of your message get confused. There are hundreds of links (according to Google) where the word "memory" is used to mean storage memory. Context usually removes any confusion. |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:15:14 -0700, scarecrow wrote:
"Gene E. Bloch" wrote: "Memory" is usually reserved to mean RAM and storage to mean a disk drive or equivalent. Your key word there is "usually". But RAM a better term and leaves no doubt. As perhaps storage would have been in my post. But when I was complaining about my memory starved 32 GB T100 computer did you really have any doubt as to what I meant? If I really had 32 GB of RAM would I be complaining?? IMO the context left no doubt. Except in the mind of our resident condescending AH teacher of course. I didn't care, although I would have bet that the tablet had only 1 or 2 GB of memory, like most of them. It was only when I saw your responses to Ken - and the tone thereof - that I decided to say something. Here's a copy and paste from a ZDNet review (since Asus wasn't helpful - they sent me to a Japanese site, which I can't read): QUOTE Memory 2GB Storage 32GB SSD I see yours and raise you one: From a Walmart ad: "Asus T100 10.1" Tablet 64GB Memory Windows 8.1" http://www.walmart.com/ip/Refurbishe...-Touc/29461851 I didn't even look at the Walmart link (which had also turned up in my search), since I preferred a more authoritative source. Even so, I still had to compromise. I would have used the Asus link if I could read Japanese :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:18:54 -0700, scarecrow
wrote: Stormin' Norman wrote: scarecrow wrote: 1. If you ask any non-technical person how much memory his tablet has he will invariably give you the storage memory, not RAM. 2. Tell any technical person that your tablet has 32GB of memory and he will invariably understand that you mean storage memory. not RAM. So in my case when I said my tablet has 32GB of memory both the tech and non-tech people should have understood me if 1 and 2 above are reasonable assumptions. Any engineer / technician worth their daily salt will never make assumptions. I notice that you didn't refute my assumptions. Perhaps because they're not only reasonable but invariably true. No, probably because it is not worth arguing. [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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