What should we do?

Should we little people buy Windows 8.1 DVD Bing Edition and then upgrade to
Windows 10 Free or go directly for Windows 10?. We're struggling with an
Eurozone crisis, they don't know if we will get to the end, if we are losing
our chances of being a great unique nation with many little counties united,
so if we lose we will not have internet anymore. Then, what shall we do with
Windows 8.1 Bing if we can't search for opportunities and be connected? I've
still some hope we will overcome this negative moment and we will go on for
Windows 10 and forget all the hard times we been through. It's not urgent, I
just need your advice because Windows 10 Edition is coming this Summer and I
feel we're not prepared. Personally, I think I must quit and let this
mission to younger people to do their good work and have fun.

Jack Miles wrote:
Should we little people buy Windows 8.1 DVD Bing Edition and then
upgrade to Windows 10 Free or go directly for Windows 10?. We're
struggling with an Eurozone crisis, they don't know if we will get to
the end, if we are losing our chances of being a great unique nation
with many little counties united, so if we lose we will not have
internet anymore. Then, what shall we do with Windows 8.1 Bing if we
can't search for opportunities and be connected? I've still some hope we
will overcome this negative moment and we will go on for Windows 10 and
forget all the hard times we been through. It's not urgent, I just need
your advice because Windows 10 Edition is coming this Summer and I feel
we're not prepared. Personally, I think I must quit and let this mission
to younger people to do their good work and have fun.

In a Eurozone crisis, you use the OS already on the computer.
There is no need to buy anything else, Bing or otherwise.

The computer I'm typing this on, is running WinXP, and several
other OSes are available as virtual machines. Any OS modern
enough to run VirtualBox from Oracle/Sun, can run other
OSes just fine (as a virtual machine guest). You can get a copy
of your "whizzy" OSes from here, for your VirtualBox installation.
If you think the OS search features are so wonderful.

http://dev.modern.ie/tools/vms/#downloads

Use your brain, not your wallet.

Paul

"Paul" escreveu na mensagem ...

Jack Miles wrote:
Should we little people buy Windows 8.1 DVD Bing Edition and then upgrade
to Windows 10 Free or go directly for Windows 10?. We're struggling with
an Eurozone crisis, they don't know if we will get to the end, if we are
losing our chances of being a great unique nation with many little
counties united, so if we lose we will not have internet anymore. Then,
what shall we do with Windows 8.1 Bing if we can't search for
opportunities and be connected? I've still some hope we will overcome
this negative moment and we will go on for Windows 10 and forget all the
hard times we been through. It's not urgent, I just need your advice
because Windows 10 Edition is coming this Summer and I feel we're not
prepared. Personally, I think I must quit and let this mission to younger
people to do their good work and have fun.

In a Eurozone crisis, you use the OS already on the computer.
There is no need to buy anything else, Bing or otherwise.

The computer I'm typing this on, is running WinXP, and several
other OSes are available as virtual machines. Any OS modern
enough to run VirtualBox from Oracle/Sun, can run other
OSes just fine (as a virtual machine guest). You can get a copy
of your "whizzy" OSes from here, for your VirtualBox installation.
If you think the OS search features are so wonderful.

http://dev.modern.ie/tools/vms/#downloads

Use your brain, not your wallet.

Paul

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10. Still I live in a almost
poor country and Eurozone crisis is real, it can affect all our people.
Thanks for your opinion, this system still works good, maybe I just preserve
it.

Per Bahabi:
I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.

What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
--
Pete Cresswell

On 17-Jun-2015 08:55, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Bahabi:
I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.

What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?


Less control over your OS. :-(

Jack Miles wrote:

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That's more appropriately an e-mail format. Don't use it in Usenet.
For newsgroup HTML/Plain format settings, use None. Then set the max
physical line length to 72 to 76 characters long.

Should we little people buy Windows 8.1 DVD Bing Edition and then upgrade to
Windows 10 Free or go directly for Windows 10?.

What will Windows 10 do for you that you cannot do now using Windows 8?
Yep, didn't think so.

snipped the diatribe from a nymshifter

Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.

What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?

Less control over your OS. :-(

Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling (notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates, you will
need the Pro version of Windows 10.

Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to service us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction, they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro edition and
get serviced another way.

Ken1943 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 08:44:53 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.
What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
Less control over your OS. :-(
Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling (notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates, you will
need the Pro version of Windows 10.

Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to service us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction, they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro edition and
get serviced another way.

And many of us just sit back and wait for the release to really see what
will happen. I can't wait to see what predictions/bull **** were close.

KenW

Ken, when you looked in the Windows 10 Preview control panels,
what did the Windows Update control panel show you ?

OK, here is a snapshot of the Win10 10130 control panels.

http://i62.tinypic.com/29e4nsm.jpg

There is *no* Windows Update control panel.

It would be pretty hard to control updates, without a control panel.

Paul

VanguardLH wrote:
Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.
What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
Less control over your OS. :-(

Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling (notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates, you will
need the Pro version of Windows 10.

Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to service us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction, they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro edition and
get serviced another way.

I ran preview version win 10 10130 and it was alright on the intel core
i7 but had problems with sound drivers on the AMD processors.I had sound
fine with the drivers originally installed,but then auto update updated
the drivers to hardware not on my system and no sound. The only choice
it gave me on my win 10 pro edition was to reschedule an install date
for update installation.
This has helped me decide what to do,as I will be sticking to win 7 and
win 8.1 for a while.

Dino wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.
What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
Less control over your OS. :-(

Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling (notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates, you will
need the Pro version of Windows 10.
Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to service us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction, they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro edition and
get serviced another way.

I ran preview version win 10 10130 and it was alright on the intel core
i7 but had problems with sound drivers on the AMD processors.I had sound
fine with the drivers originally installed,but then auto update updated
the drivers to hardware not on my system and no sound. The only choice
it gave me on my win 10 pro edition was to reschedule an install date
for update installation.
This has helped me decide what to do,as I will be sticking to win 7 and
win 8.1 for a while.

Did you try installing a driver from the hardware
manufacturer ? As an alternative.

For example, if the audio hardware was Realtek, I would go to
realtek.com.tw and get a driver there. As I've noticed when
a Windows OS does sound itself, the "brand" of the audio is not
shown, and it looks like a "generic" driver is being used. You
can always test a manufacturer driver as a substitute.
That's assuming there is nothing in the INF to prevent it.
I think when I've done that, Device Manager changes from
a generic HDAudio label, to a Realtek label.

Paul

On 17-Jun-2015 11:12, Dino wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.
What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
Less control over your OS. :-(

Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling (notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates, you will
need the Pro version of Windows 10.
Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to service us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction, they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro edition and
get serviced another way.

I ran preview version win 10 10130 and it was alright on the intel core
i7 but had problems with sound drivers on the AMD processors.I had sound
fine with the drivers originally installed,but then auto update updated
the drivers to hardware not on my system and no sound. The only choice
it gave me on my win 10 pro edition was to reschedule an install date
for update installation.
This has helped me decide what to do,as I will be sticking to win 7 and
win 8.1 for a while.

I have a very similar sound problem on my 2 Dell desktops. One Dell XPS
8700 w/ Win 8.1 Home x64 and one Dell Studio XPS 435MT w/ Win 7 Ultimate
x64. The very first Win 10 build, sound was working fine, after that
all the following buids, no sound. No matter what I do , new drivers
uninstall/install, Realtek drivers, Dell drivers, etc, etc just can't
get sound to work. Looks to me that Windows 10 hates Dell. :-)

Paul wrote:
Dino wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.
What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
Less control over your OS. :-(

Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling (notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates, you will
need the Pro version of Windows 10. Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to service us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction, they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro edition and
get serviced another way.

I ran preview version win 10 10130 and it was alright on the intel
core i7 but had problems with sound drivers on the AMD processors.I
had sound fine with the drivers originally installed,but then auto
update updated the drivers to hardware not on my system and no sound.
The only choice it gave me on my win 10 pro edition was to reschedule
an install date for update installation.
This has helped me decide what to do,as I will be sticking to win 7
and win 8.1 for a while.

Did you try installing a driver from the hardware
manufacturer ? As an alternative.

For example, if the audio hardware was Realtek, I would go to
realtek.com.tw and get a driver there. As I've noticed when
a Windows OS does sound itself, the "brand" of the audio is not
shown, and it looks like a "generic" driver is being used. You
can always test a manufacturer driver as a substitute.
That's assuming there is nothing in the INF to prevent it.
I think when I've done that, Device Manager changes from
a generic HDAudio label, to a Realtek label.

Paul
I did that and it was corrected until it auto updated again. Unless
updates are manual I will pass on this version.

Ken1943 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:21:35 -0400, Paul wrote:

Ken1943 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 08:44:53 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.
What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
Less control over your OS. :-(
Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling (notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates, you will
need the Pro version of Windows 10.

Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to service us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction, they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro edition and
get serviced another way.
And many of us just sit back and wait for the release to really see what
will happen. I can't wait to see what predictions/bull **** were close.

KenW
Ken, when you looked in the Windows 10 Preview control panels,
what did the Windows Update control panel show you ?

OK, here is a snapshot of the Win10 10130 control panels.

http://i62.tinypic.com/29e4nsm.jpg

There is *no* Windows Update control panel.

It would be pretty hard to control updates, without a control panel.

Paul

I don't do beta, but one never knows the final outcome except death. LOL


KenW

I guess I don't know my Win10 Preview all that well.

While "Control Panels" has no Windows Update, if
you use the "Settings" from the main menu, it has
a Metro application called "Updates and Security".
And in there, it could give a kinda squashed listing
of what Windows Updates it was about to install. There
were no controls I could see, except a note that
says "we'll install when you aren't busy" or some such.

Further inside, there is a control labeled "Delay Upgrades"
but the "Learn More" button underneath it doesn't work.
And since the word is "Upgrades" and not "Updates", who
knows what it is for. Maybe it's just for the Preview.

So there are some controls. And since the prototype
has room for it now (there is a "space" for them to
work in), that shows a commitment to differentiation.

Paul

Dino wrote:
Paul wrote:
Dino wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.
What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
Less control over your OS. :-(

Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling
(notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates, you will
need the Pro version of Windows 10. Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to service
us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or
fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction, they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro edition and
get serviced another way.

I ran preview version win 10 10130 and it was alright on the intel
core i7 but had problems with sound drivers on the AMD processors.I
had sound fine with the drivers originally installed,but then auto
update updated the drivers to hardware not on my system and no sound.
The only choice it gave me on my win 10 pro edition was to reschedule
an install date for update installation.
This has helped me decide what to do,as I will be sticking to win 7
and win 8.1 for a while.

Did you try installing a driver from the hardware
manufacturer ? As an alternative.

For example, if the audio hardware was Realtek, I would go to
realtek.com.tw and get a driver there. As I've noticed when
a Windows OS does sound itself, the "brand" of the audio is not
shown, and it looks like a "generic" driver is being used. You
can always test a manufacturer driver as a substitute.
That's assuming there is nothing in the INF to prevent it.
I think when I've done that, Device Manager changes from
a generic HDAudio label, to a Realtek label.

Paul
I did that and it was corrected until it auto updated again. Unless
updates are manual I will pass on this version.

It turns out there is a control to help you.

http://i61.tinypic.com/9awj9g.jpg

System control panel : Advanced System Settings : System Properties, Hardware Tab
Device Installation settings : Let me choose what to do

I don't know what it does, but there is a tick box...

"Do you want Windows to download driver software
and realistic icons for your devices"

So apparently there is a need for realistic icons.
Who knew ?

Maybe if you tick that, it'll stop overwriting your Realtek ?

My 10130 preview, has a RealTek driver 6.0.1.7503, but
I can't figure out where it came from. I don't have a
driver file in my Downloads folder, so it isn't from there.
I can tell you, my Device Manager lists a Realtek item,
so it didn't use a generic HDAudio driver with no brand
string.

Paul

Per VanguardLH:
Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to service us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or fight
back.

I just accepted a firmware update to my Samsung flat-screen TV -
foolishly dreaming of functional enhancements like losing that annoying
"Mute" icon when listening via headphones...

Guess what?

Right: no detectable enhancements, but they have started to spam the
screen with promotional material. Low-level at this time.... but I'll
never, ever, accept an "Upgrade" on that device again.

The logic seems the same: Consumer has purchased a device; attempt to
take control of it for marketing purposes.

Makes sense at a certain level.... albeit a rather low level.
--
Pete Cresswell