Windows Update problems - again!

Windows Miniupdate Tool shows a "Cumulative" security update of 04/10.
(182.76 gigabytes! Everything already on my drive totals 193 gb.)

I have repeatedly tried to install this update, with no success. I
have run the MS Update Troubleshooter several times. It always
rebuilds the database, but I still can't install the update.

Multiple error codes resulting from different attempts:
80070005
80240022
80070643
80240034

There must be some common thread with these, but danged if I can see
it.

Last time I tried using Update Tool to download the update rather than
install it...
Download reached 23.9 megabytes. Said complete. So I selected
install...
Said reboot required. I allowed it.
Screen with message "working on updates." Got to 16% complete and
rebooted.
"Working on updates."
"Couldn't complete..."
rebooted.
"undoing changes"

Normal operation except many of my settings had been changed, and
Comodo started as if it had never been run before, asking all the
set-up questions. So much for "undoing changes."

Other than the attempt to download first, this is what happens every
time I try the install.

So, restore backup made before trying to install Cumulative Security
update 04/10.


I've been going in circles with the above for two days. Any wisdom
would really be appreciated.

-dan z



--
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a nice contrast to the real world.
(Anonymous)

On 4/18/2018 8:31 AM, slate_leeper wrote:
leshooter several times. It always
Have you deleted the files in Windows\SoftwareDistribution and then run
the Windows Update trouble shooter.

After a series of update failures I have found thousands of files in
these folders after I have run the Troubleshooter.

Once I delete all detleteable files for SoftwareDistribution and rerun
the Truoble shooter the updates installed

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2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

slate_leeper wrote:
Windows Miniupdate Tool shows a "Cumulative" security update of 04/10.
(182.76 gigabytes! Everything already on my drive totals 193 gb.)

I have repeatedly tried to install this update, with no success. I
have run the MS Update Troubleshooter several times. It always
rebuilds the database, but I still can't install the update.

Multiple error codes resulting from different attempts:
80070005
80240022
80070643
80240034

There must be some common thread with these, but danged if I can see
it.

Last time I tried using Update Tool to download the update rather than
install it...
Download reached 23.9 megabytes. Said complete. So I selected
install...
Said reboot required. I allowed it.
Screen with message "working on updates." Got to 16% complete and
rebooted.
"Working on updates."
"Couldn't complete..."
rebooted.
"undoing changes"

Normal operation except many of my settings had been changed, and
Comodo started as if it had never been run before, asking all the
set-up questions. So much for "undoing changes."

Other than the attempt to download first, this is what happens every
time I try the install.

So, restore backup made before trying to install Cumulative Security
update 04/10.


I've been going in circles with the above for two days. Any wisdom
would really be appreciated.

-dan z

Using catalog.update.microsoft.com , type in the KB number, select
the line in the returned result for bitness of OS (x86 or x64 update),
and download it. Double-clicking the MSU will start installing it.

Any tool worth its salt, will, upon the next reboot, re-calculate the
updates, and then realize it's already installed. And consequently the
one "jammed" in the pipe, will be canceled.

An example of a Cumulative (one from April 10th), can be seen here.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/...date-kb4093112

I see eight lines here, for example.

http://www.catalog.update.microsoft....px?q=kb4093112

The one for my system would say it's 737.7MB and it's this one.

"2018-04 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 for x64-based Systems (KB4093112)"

The size of a download, could vary with language choice, and I
don't really have any data on what to expect from that perspective.

Paul

On 18-Apr-18 3:06 PM, Paul wrote:
[....]
"2018-04 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 for x64-based
Systems (KB4093112)"

The size of a download, could vary with language choice, and I
don't really have any data on what to expect from that perspective.

Â*Â* Paul

Looking in SettingsUpdate & SecurityWindows UpdateOS Build
Information (scroll down - it's under Related Links!)

There, I'm notified that I have ...

Windows 10 version 1709
OS Build 16299.371

So, even *I* can get there! ;-)

Your help and advice is much welcomed here, Paul. :-)

--
David B.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 08:31:09 -0400, slate_leeper
wrote:

Windows Miniupdate Tool shows a "Cumulative" security update of 04/10.
(182.76 gigabytes! Everything already on my drive totals 193 gb.)

I have repeatedly tried to install this update, with no success. I
have run the MS Update Troubleshooter several times. It always
rebuilds the database, but I still can't install the update.

Multiple error codes resulting from different attempts:
80070005
80240022
80070643
80240034

There must be some common thread with these, but danged if I can see
it.

Last time I tried using Update Tool to download the update rather than
install it...
Download reached 23.9 megabytes. Said complete. So I selected
install...
Said reboot required. I allowed it.
Screen with message "working on updates." Got to 16% complete and
rebooted.
"Working on updates."
"Couldn't complete..."
rebooted.
"undoing changes"

Normal operation except many of my settings had been changed, and
Comodo started as if it had never been run before, asking all the
set-up questions. So much for "undoing changes."

Other than the attempt to download first, this is what happens every
time I try the install.

So, restore backup made before trying to install Cumulative Security
update 04/10.


I've been going in circles with the above for two days. Any wisdom
would really be appreciated.

-dan z

I had a similar problem and couldn't fix anything with the
troubleshooter either. I also used a few supposed solutions from a
variety of web sites to no avail. In the end, I was forced to restore
the system, keeping my files (the built-in Windows method) and decided
that I would no longer use any kind of registry cleaner which was, in
my opinion, the source of the issue to begin with.

It's actually quite amazing how well Windows works if you _don't_
clean the registry at all.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 08:37:03 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 4/18/2018 8:31 AM, slate_leeper wrote:
leshooter several times. It always
Have you deleted the files in Windows\SoftwareDistribution and then run
the Windows Update trouble shooter.

After a series of update failures I have found thousands of files in
these folders after I have run the Troubleshooter.

Once I delete all detleteable files for SoftwareDistribution and rerun
the Truoble shooter the updates installed

Where were you when I wanted to _avoid_ reinstalling!?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 07:30:43 -0600, Ken1943
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 08:31:09 -0400, slate_leeper
wrote:

Windows Miniupdate Tool shows a "Cumulative" security update of 04/10.
(182.76 gigabytes! Everything already on my drive totals 193 gb.)

I have repeatedly tried to install this update, with no success. I
have run the MS Update Troubleshooter several times. It always
rebuilds the database, but I still can't install the update.




Try removing Comodo first

I did turn Comodo off completely. No difference.

-dan z-



--
Someone who thinks logically provides
a nice contrast to the real world.
(Anonymous)

On 4/19/2018 4:39 AM, slate_leeper wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 07:30:43 -0600, Ken1943
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 08:31:09 -0400, slate_leeper
wrote:

Windows Miniupdate Tool shows a "Cumulative" security update of 04/10.
(182.76 gigabytes! Everything already on my drive totals 193 gb.)

I have repeatedly tried to install this update, with no success. I
have run the MS Update Troubleshooter several times. It always
rebuilds the database, but I still can't install the update.




Try removing Comodo first

I did turn Comodo off completely. No difference.

What's your definition of 'completely'?
I had issue with Comodo on earlier updates.
The ONLY thing that made it work was to UNINSTALL
comodo completely, then reinstall it after the update.

Comodo hasn't been a problem on recent updates.

-dan z-

On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 08:37:03 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 4/18/2018 8:31 AM, slate_leeper wrote:
leshooter several times. It always
Have you deleted the files in Windows\SoftwareDistribution and then run
the Windows Update trouble shooter.

After a series of update failures I have found thousands of files in
these folders after I have run the Troubleshooter.

Once I delete all detleteable files for SoftwareDistribution and rerun
the Truoble shooter the updates installed


I did that. There were 2 folders and 1 log file that I couldn't delete
("in use by Windows Update.")

Reran the troubleshooter.

Then I retried the update.
It downloaded much longer this time.
reboot
installing - 16% - reboot
installing - 16% - reboot
Failure - Undoing changes

This time it did apparently actually undo the changes.


-dan z-


--
Someone who thinks logically provides
a nice contrast to the real world.
(Anonymous)

slate_leeper wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 08:37:03 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 4/18/2018 8:31 AM, slate_leeper wrote:
leshooter several times. It always
Have you deleted the files in Windows\SoftwareDistribution and then run
the Windows Update trouble shooter.

After a series of update failures I have found thousands of files in
these folders after I have run the Troubleshooter.

Once I delete all detleteable files for SoftwareDistribution and rerun
the Truoble shooter the updates installed


I did that. There were 2 folders and 1 log file that I couldn't delete
("in use by Windows Update.")

Reran the troubleshooter.

Then I retried the update.
It downloaded much longer this time.
reboot
installing - 16% - reboot
installing - 16% - reboot
Failure - Undoing changes

This time it did apparently actually undo the changes.


-dan z-

To "reset" Windows Update, there are four services to stop,
and *then* you can delete stuff. That's if you do it from Windows.

The script in this article, shows some of the techniques used.
There are other tutorial articles similar to this, with three
different scripts (slightly nuanced results).

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

The Windows Update Troubleshooter is supposed to do those very things.
It's hard to say which came first. The script... or the Windows Update
Troubleshooter.

*******

If you download the update from catalog.update.microsoft.com , that can
also have the desired effect of getting the update done. Even if the
download file happens to be seven times larger. I do that
sometimes when i get ****ed off seeing that stuff "loop".

For example, today, if I know 16299.371 is the very latest update,
I run "winver" and see I'm running 16299.334, then with a fair
degree of confidence, I can hunt down the KB for it. Using the
KB number, I can get the corresponding .msu from the catalog server.
The nice thing about the catalog server updates, is they won't
install if the update is already present. But they also won't
install if the pre-requisites aren't met. By reading the KB
article, I see i will be "shopping for two items".

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...date-kb4093112

"When installing both the servicing stack update (SSU) (KB4099989)
and the latest cumulative update (LCU) from the Microsoft Update Catalog,
install the SSU before installing the LCU [KB4093112]."

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft...px?q=KB4093112

2018-04 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 for x64-based Systems (KB4093112)
737.7 MB

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft...px?q=KB4099989

2018-04 Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 for x64-based Systems (KB4099989)
13.2MB

Paul

On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 13:46:03 -0400, Paul
wrote:



"When installing both the servicing stack update (SSU) (KB4099989)
and the latest cumulative update (LCU) from the Microsoft Update Catalog,
install the SSU before installing the LCU [KB4093112]."

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft...px?q=KB4093112

2018-04 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 for x64-based Systems (KB4093112)
737.7 MB

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft...px?q=KB4099989

2018-04 Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 for x64-based Systems (KB4099989)
13.2MB

Paul


Thanks much, Paul. After looking at the description of the update, I
don't need it. I use exactly zero of the programs mentioned as being
updated.

Still can't figure out the reported update size of 187.76 Gigabytes.


-dan z-


--
Someone who thinks logically provides
a nice contrast to the real world.
(Anonymous)

On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 05:03:32 -0700, mike wrote:



Try removing Comodo first

I did turn Comodo off completely. No difference.

What's your definition of 'completely'?
I had issue with Comodo on earlier updates.
The ONLY thing that made it work was to UNINSTALL
comodo completely, then reinstall it after the update.

Comodo hasn't been a problem on recent updates.

-dan z-




I tried that also, Mike. Still no happy face.


--
Someone who thinks logically provides
a nice contrast to the real world.
(Anonymous)

On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 18:33:07 +0100, Good Guy
wrote:

On 19/04/2018 18:22, slate_leeper wrote:

I did that. There were 2 folders and 1 log file that I couldn't delete
("in use by Windows Update.")


You need to stop the "Windows Update" Module before you can delete or
rename the SoftwareDistribution folder.

to stop the service you need to type: Services in the search box or
Cortana and the Services.msc Desktop App will show up then click on it
and look for something like in this pictu

https://i.imgur.com/ehGBr3h.png https://i.imgur.com/ehGBr3h.png


Great tip. That did allow deletion of all. As mentioned elsewhere in
this thread, I have decided not to install this update anyway, but
maybe that will help with the next one.

-dan z-


--
Someone who thinks logically provides
a nice contrast to the real world.
(Anonymous)

slate_leeper wrote:

Thanks much, Paul. After looking at the description of the update, I
don't need it. I use exactly zero of the programs mentioned as being
updated.

Still can't figure out the reported update size of 187.76 Gigabytes.


-dan z-

That's a quirk of that update tool you're using.
There are reports of the wrong size showing up.

Paul

On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 08:31:09 -0400, slate_leeper
wrote:

Windows Miniupdate Tool shows a "Cumulative" security update of 04/10.

Presumably that is 4th of October 2017 so perhaps it is no longer
available.
Or it may be 4th of October 2018 so not available yet.

(182.76 gigabytes! Everything already on my drive totals 193 gb.)

Sounds like a scam. The date is very sus.

I have repeatedly tried to install this update, with no success. I
have run the MS Update Troubleshooter several times. It always
rebuilds the database, but I still can't install the update.

Multiple error codes resulting from different attempts:
80070005
80240022
80070643
80240034

There must be some common thread with these, but danged if I can see
it.

Last time I tried using Update Tool to download the update rather than
install it...
Download reached 23.9 megabytes. Said complete. So I selected
install...
Said reboot required. I allowed it.
Screen with message "working on updates." Got to 16% complete and
rebooted.
"Working on updates."
"Couldn't complete..."
rebooted.
"undoing changes"

Normal operation except many of my settings had been changed, and
Comodo started as if it had never been run before, asking all the
set-up questions. So much for "undoing changes."

Other than the attempt to download first, this is what happens every
time I try the install.

So, restore backup made before trying to install Cumulative Security
update 04/10.

That was nearly 7 months ago. I suggest you look for something
newer.

I've been going in circles with the above for two days. Any wisdom
would really be appreciated.

Don't try to install out of date updates.

-dan z