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Hardware Monitor found an error
I also wanted you to know what was running at the time I ran those vbs
files.. Incredimail, Sygate, Gadwins Printscreen, Yahoo Messenger, Aim, AVG and Unlocker.. Rainy "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message news On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:13:43 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: Thank you for responding.. you have given me a lot of information.. correcting my misinformation so I know how to proceed, it has been my intention to buy more ram.. so I will do this.. Before you buy more RAM, realize that very few people need more than 1GB with Windows XP. Even that amount is more than most people need. Read the following: How much RAM you need for good performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB. Almost anyone will see poor performance with less than 256MB. Some people, particularly those doing things like editing large photographic images, can see a performance boost by adding even more than 512MB--sometimes much more. If you are currently using the page file significantly, more memory will decrease or eliminate that usage, and improve your performance. If you are not using the page file significantly, more memory will do nothing for you. Go to http://billsway.com/notes%5Fpublic/winxp%5Ftweaks/ and download WinXP-2K_Pagefile.zip and monitor your pagefile usage. That should give you a good idea of whether more memory can help, and if so, how much more. and if I have enough money after the move, I can have a tech look at it and see where the problems lie.., My son is pretty good with hard ware, but not with windows XP .. I have fixed his computer before. thanks to this group.. I know what a power supply is but up til now had never heard of a power supply "system".. so I will check into that.. thanks for the technical input.. it's appreciated. thanks, Rainy w_tom" wrote in message ... On Apr 7, 7:44 pm, "Rainy" wrote: I'm thinking there is another reason why my computer was frozen. It could have been an out of resources situation. or one of the other things that have been listed in this thread.. I have tendency to open a lot of windows at the same time.. I have a gig of ram, but I am a graphics hog.. and probably need more ram, I also need a larger drive, a couple of them.. .. 1 gbyte memory is constantly too small. When the computer needs more memory, it simply transfers code out to disk - virtual memory. If virtual memory is too small, then an OS announces the problem, enlarges virtual memory (on the disk) and keeps working. At no time will insufficient resources crash an OS. Reliability even in 1960 mainframes demanded that an OS always keep working. If computer cannot provide the resources, then the OS stops or removes that program - and keeps working. Hardware reasons for freezing were listed previously. Niether insufficient memory nor a disk drive is on that list. Defective memory (in limited locations) can crash a computer. Insufficient resources could crash unreliable OSes such as Windows 9x/ME. But insufficient resources must never crash a true pre-emptive multitasking OS such as Windows NT based OSes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Hardware Monitor found an error
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:05:43 -0500, "Rainy"
wrote: thank you Ken for jumping in here.. You're welcome. Glad to help. I use Paint Shop pro and use graphics continually.. so I am pretty sure I can benefit from more ram.. If you do a lot of graphics work, yes, then more RAM may well benefit you. Still, I wouldn't simply assume it. Run the pagefile monitor program I mentioned below while you're doing your graphics work. Even if it confirms that you need more RAM, it will be a help by telling you how much you need. The tech that installed my 1 GB said "you will never use it".. I don't think he realized just how many graphics I am dealting with all the time.. I don't know your tech, of course, but in my experience, most so-called techs who work in large stores know next to nothing and are useless or worse. I will make every effort to follow the directions from the text file that came with the vbs files that I just downloaded, but no promises.. thanks, Rainy "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message news On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:13:43 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: Thank you for responding.. you have given me a lot of information.. correcting my misinformation so I know how to proceed, it has been my intention to buy more ram.. so I will do this.. Before you buy more RAM, realize that very few people need more than 1GB with Windows XP. Even that amount is more than most people need. Read the following: How much RAM you need for good performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB. Almost anyone will see poor performance with less than 256MB. Some people, particularly those doing things like editing large photographic images, can see a performance boost by adding even more than 512MB--sometimes much more. If you are currently using the page file significantly, more memory will decrease or eliminate that usage, and improve your performance. If you are not using the page file significantly, more memory will do nothing for you. Go to http://billsway.com/notes%5Fpublic/winxp%5Ftweaks/ and download WinXP-2K_Pagefile.zip and monitor your pagefile usage. That should give you a good idea of whether more memory can help, and if so, how much more. and if I have enough money after the move, I can have a tech look at it and see where the problems lie.., My son is pretty good with hard ware, but not with windows XP .. I have fixed his computer before. thanks to this group.. I know what a power supply is but up til now had never heard of a power supply "system".. so I will check into that.. thanks for the technical input.. it's appreciated. thanks, Rainy w_tom" wrote in message ... On Apr 7, 7:44 pm, "Rainy" wrote: I'm thinking there is another reason why my computer was frozen. It could have been an out of resources situation. or one of the other things that have been listed in this thread.. I have tendency to open a lot of windows at the same time.. I have a gig of ram, but I am a graphics hog.. and probably need more ram, I also need a larger drive, a couple of them.. .. 1 gbyte memory is constantly too small. When the computer needs more memory, it simply transfers code out to disk - virtual memory. If virtual memory is too small, then an OS announces the problem, enlarges virtual memory (on the disk) and keeps working. At no time will insufficient resources crash an OS. Reliability even in 1960 mainframes demanded that an OS always keep working. If computer cannot provide the resources, then the OS stops or removes that program - and keeps working. Hardware reasons for freezing were listed previously. Niether insufficient memory nor a disk drive is on that list. Defective memory (in limited locations) can crash a computer. Insufficient resources could crash unreliable OSes such as Windows 9x/ME. But insufficient resources must never crash a true pre-emptive multitasking OS such as Windows NT based OSes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Hardware Monitor found an error
On Apr 8, 3:13 pm, "Rainy" wrote:
... , it has been my intention to buy more ram.. so I will do this.. and if I have enough money after the move, I can have a tech look at it and see where the problems lie.., My son is pretty good with hard ware, but not with windows XP ... I know what a power supply is but up til now had never heard of a power supply "system".. so I will check into that. You don't want to 'check into it' because there is nothing for you to 'check into'. There is a power supply 'system'. Therefore go back to that post, do each paragraph, one at a time. Then read the next paragraph and do it. That power supply 'system'? You will learn about it by doing what the paragraph says and then reporting here what was learned - the numbers. It is a two way street. You do those paragraphs and post results. Only then do you learn what you did, why, and what the power supply 'system' is. If you don't perform each paragraph, then every reply says nothing useful to you. Knowing anything about Windows XP is completely irrelevant. That will be obvious when you do what each paragraph says. But if each paragraph is not executed, then you will never understand why Windows XP is not significant. Freezing of XP is limited to only some hardware. Disk drive is not on that list. List includes video processor, sound card, CPU, some motherboard functions, some memory, and power supply 'system'. That procedure then starts the process of getting a solution - maybe in less time than it took to post a single reply. But if each paragraph is not executed, then you will never understand what hardware is significant. Again, buying memory or a new power supply is not a solution. Do not replace anything until the problem is first identified. Either do each paragraph posted previously - or take twice as long posting replies here that don't elicit useful information. Your replies will only be as useful as the information you post. Until you do those paragraphs, then your post and its reply will be more like this one - useless. That report on Pagefile.sys only confirms you have no resource problem - which is why the OS does not announce that problem. But again, you are looking for solution in XP. XP can provide useful facts which is why the system (event) logs and Device Manager should have been consulted and reported here. Then do things without Windows (as posted previously) to actually find the problem. |
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:13:58 -0500, "Rainy"
wrote: I ran the winxp pagefile usage monitor and here are the results. 5/8/2008 5:11:44 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 91 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB I finally was able to do something you experts have asked me to. Whoopie!!!! lol I hope this helps you to help me.,. thanks, hugs Rainy Run it again, and while you are doing your heaviest graphics processing. Run it for a while, not just a short time, and keep track of current pagefile usage and session peak usage (don't worry about the pagefile size). Write down the numbers you see every few minutes, so you can see how they vary over the course of a day, or several hours. The more you use the page file, the more your performance will suffer. More RAM will decrease your pagefile usage by an equivalent amount. So if your peak usage doesn't exceed the 240MB reported above, 240MB more RAM is all you would really need. And if you use that 240MB of pagefile only seldom, that amount won't do a lot for you, and you don't really need it. In fact, assuming that you are more often near the 91MB than the 240, those numbers show fairly light page file usage. That's why it's important to monitor page file for a fairly long period, and while you're doing your most memory-intensive work. You don't want to fall into the trap of seeing a high peak usage (say 2GB) and think that you therefore need another 2GB of RAM. If that 2GB of page file use is only for a minute or two a day, and the rest of the day it's only 10MB, you shouldn't waste money on any more RAM. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message news On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:13:43 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: Thank you for responding.. you have given me a lot of information.. correcting my misinformation so I know how to proceed, it has been my intention to buy more ram.. so I will do this.. Before you buy more RAM, realize that very few people need more than 1GB with Windows XP. Even that amount is more than most people need. Read the following: How much RAM you need for good performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB. Almost anyone will see poor performance with less than 256MB. Some people, particularly those doing things like editing large photographic images, can see a performance boost by adding even more than 512MB--sometimes much more. If you are currently using the page file significantly, more memory will decrease or eliminate that usage, and improve your performance. If you are not using the page file significantly, more memory will do nothing for you. Go to http://billsway.com/notes%5Fpublic/winxp%5Ftweaks/ and download WinXP-2K_Pagefile.zip and monitor your pagefile usage. That should give you a good idea of whether more memory can help, and if so, how much more. and if I have enough money after the move, I can have a tech look at it and see where the problems lie.., My son is pretty good with hard ware, but not with windows XP .. I have fixed his computer before. thanks to this group.. I know what a power supply is but up til now had never heard of a power supply "system".. so I will check into that.. thanks for the technical input.. it's appreciated. thanks, Rainy w_tom" wrote in message ... On Apr 7, 7:44 pm, "Rainy" wrote: I'm thinking there is another reason why my computer was frozen. It could have been an out of resources situation. or one of the other things that have been listed in this thread.. I have tendency to open a lot of windows at the same time.. I have a gig of ram, but I am a graphics hog.. and probably need more ram, I also need a larger drive, a couple of them.. .. 1 gbyte memory is constantly too small. When the computer needs more memory, it simply transfers code out to disk - virtual memory. If virtual memory is too small, then an OS announces the problem, enlarges virtual memory (on the disk) and keeps working. At no time will insufficient resources crash an OS. Reliability even in 1960 mainframes demanded that an OS always keep working. If computer cannot provide the resources, then the OS stops or removes that program - and keeps working. Hardware reasons for freezing were listed previously. Niether insufficient memory nor a disk drive is on that list. Defective memory (in limited locations) can crash a computer. Insufficient resources could crash unreliable OSes such as Windows 9x/ME. But insufficient resources must never crash a true pre-emptive multitasking OS such as Windows NT based OSes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Hardware Monitor found an error
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:18:05 -0500, "Rainy"
wrote: I also wanted you to know what was running at the time I ran those vbs files.. Incredimail, Sygate, Gadwins Printscreen, Yahoo Messenger, Aim, AVG and Unlocker.. See my previous message, Rainy. You need to run it while running your Graphics software. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message news On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:13:43 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: Thank you for responding.. you have given me a lot of information.. correcting my misinformation so I know how to proceed, it has been my intention to buy more ram.. so I will do this.. Before you buy more RAM, realize that very few people need more than 1GB with Windows XP. Even that amount is more than most people need. Read the following: How much RAM you need for good performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB. Almost anyone will see poor performance with less than 256MB. Some people, particularly those doing things like editing large photographic images, can see a performance boost by adding even more than 512MB--sometimes much more. If you are currently using the page file significantly, more memory will decrease or eliminate that usage, and improve your performance. If you are not using the page file significantly, more memory will do nothing for you. Go to http://billsway.com/notes%5Fpublic/winxp%5Ftweaks/ and download WinXP-2K_Pagefile.zip and monitor your pagefile usage. That should give you a good idea of whether more memory can help, and if so, how much more. and if I have enough money after the move, I can have a tech look at it and see where the problems lie.., My son is pretty good with hard ware, but not with windows XP .. I have fixed his computer before. thanks to this group.. I know what a power supply is but up til now had never heard of a power supply "system".. so I will check into that.. thanks for the technical input.. it's appreciated. thanks, Rainy w_tom" wrote in message ... On Apr 7, 7:44 pm, "Rainy" wrote: I'm thinking there is another reason why my computer was frozen. It could have been an out of resources situation. or one of the other things that have been listed in this thread.. I have tendency to open a lot of windows at the same time.. I have a gig of ram, but I am a graphics hog.. and probably need more ram, I also need a larger drive, a couple of them.. .. 1 gbyte memory is constantly too small. When the computer needs more memory, it simply transfers code out to disk - virtual memory. If virtual memory is too small, then an OS announces the problem, enlarges virtual memory (on the disk) and keeps working. At no time will insufficient resources crash an OS. Reliability even in 1960 mainframes demanded that an OS always keep working. If computer cannot provide the resources, then the OS stops or removes that program - and keeps working. Hardware reasons for freezing were listed previously. Niether insufficient memory nor a disk drive is on that list. Defective memory (in limited locations) can crash a computer. Insufficient resources could crash unreliable OSes such as Windows 9x/ME. But insufficient resources must never crash a true pre-emptive multitasking OS such as Windows NT based OSes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Just wanted to clear up something.. My computer was built by this same
tech.. and he was pretty knowledgeable... Some are better than others though. I have had techs come to the house.. putter around doing nothing.. and after an hour or longer tell me it needed to be formatted.. I could have saved myself the expense.. at that time I knew how to format. My computer is about 8 years old.. I have swapped out hard drives and a sound card, and my ethernet adaptor failed, and had to buy a new one.. although now I am not sure it did fail.. Windows update seems to be able to detect it and has offered the driver for it.. anyway that's another thread.. Rainy "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:05:43 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: thank you Ken for jumping in here.. You're welcome. Glad to help. I use Paint Shop pro and use graphics continually.. so I am pretty sure I can benefit from more ram.. If you do a lot of graphics work, yes, then more RAM may well benefit you. Still, I wouldn't simply assume it. Run the pagefile monitor program I mentioned below while you're doing your graphics work. Even if it confirms that you need more RAM, it will be a help by telling you how much you need. The tech that installed my 1 GB said "you will never use it".. I don't think he realized just how many graphics I am dealting with all the time.. I don't know your tech, of course, but in my experience, most so-called techs who work in large stores know next to nothing and are useless or worse. I will make every effort to follow the directions from the text file that came with the vbs files that I just downloaded, but no promises.. thanks, Rainy "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message news On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:13:43 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: Thank you for responding.. you have given me a lot of information.. correcting my misinformation so I know how to proceed, it has been my intention to buy more ram.. so I will do this.. Before you buy more RAM, realize that very few people need more than 1GB with Windows XP. Even that amount is more than most people need. Read the following: How much RAM you need for good performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB. Almost anyone will see poor performance with less than 256MB. Some people, particularly those doing things like editing large photographic images, can see a performance boost by adding even more than 512MB--sometimes much more. If you are currently using the page file significantly, more memory will decrease or eliminate that usage, and improve your performance. If you are not using the page file significantly, more memory will do nothing for you. Go to http://billsway.com/notes%5Fpublic/winxp%5Ftweaks/ and download WinXP-2K_Pagefile.zip and monitor your pagefile usage. That should give you a good idea of whether more memory can help, and if so, how much more. and if I have enough money after the move, I can have a tech look at it and see where the problems lie.., My son is pretty good with hard ware, but not with windows XP .. I have fixed his computer before. thanks to this group.. I know what a power supply is but up til now had never heard of a power supply "system".. so I will check into that.. thanks for the technical input.. it's appreciated. thanks, Rainy w_tom" wrote in message ... On Apr 7, 7:44 pm, "Rainy" wrote: I'm thinking there is another reason why my computer was frozen. It could have been an out of resources situation. or one of the other things that have been listed in this thread.. I have tendency to open a lot of windows at the same time.. I have a gig of ram, but I am a graphics hog.. and probably need more ram, I also need a larger drive, a couple of them.. .. 1 gbyte memory is constantly too small. When the computer needs more memory, it simply transfers code out to disk - virtual memory. If virtual memory is too small, then an OS announces the problem, enlarges virtual memory (on the disk) and keeps working. At no time will insufficient resources crash an OS. Reliability even in 1960 mainframes demanded that an OS always keep working. If computer cannot provide the resources, then the OS stops or removes that program - and keeps working. Hardware reasons for freezing were listed previously. Niether insufficient memory nor a disk drive is on that list. Defective memory (in limited locations) can crash a computer. Insufficient resources could crash unreliable OSes such as Windows 9x/ME. But insufficient resources must never crash a true pre-emptive multitasking OS such as Windows NT based OSes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Gee I actually understood what you were saying.. lol thanks I will do
that... and once I do get some high readings I will post back here.. thanks so much for the information.. Rainy "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:13:58 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: I ran the winxp pagefile usage monitor and here are the results. 5/8/2008 5:11:44 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 91 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB I finally was able to do something you experts have asked me to. Whoopie!!!! lol I hope this helps you to help me.,. thanks, hugs Rainy Run it again, and while you are doing your heaviest graphics processing. Run it for a while, not just a short time, and keep track of current pagefile usage and session peak usage (don't worry about the pagefile size). Write down the numbers you see every few minutes, so you can see how they vary over the course of a day, or several hours. The more you use the page file, the more your performance will suffer. More RAM will decrease your pagefile usage by an equivalent amount. So if your peak usage doesn't exceed the 240MB reported above, 240MB more RAM is all you would really need. And if you use that 240MB of pagefile only seldom, that amount won't do a lot for you, and you don't really need it. In fact, assuming that you are more often near the 91MB than the 240, those numbers show fairly light page file usage. That's why it's important to monitor page file for a fairly long period, and while you're doing your most memory-intensive work. You don't want to fall into the trap of seeing a high peak usage (say 2GB) and think that you therefore need another 2GB of RAM. If that 2GB of page file use is only for a minute or two a day, and the rest of the day it's only 10MB, you shouldn't waste money on any more RAM. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message news On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:13:43 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: Thank you for responding.. you have given me a lot of information.. correcting my misinformation so I know how to proceed, it has been my intention to buy more ram.. so I will do this.. Before you buy more RAM, realize that very few people need more than 1GB with Windows XP. Even that amount is more than most people need. Read the following: How much RAM you need for good performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB. Almost anyone will see poor performance with less than 256MB. Some people, particularly those doing things like editing large photographic images, can see a performance boost by adding even more than 512MB--sometimes much more. If you are currently using the page file significantly, more memory will decrease or eliminate that usage, and improve your performance. If you are not using the page file significantly, more memory will do nothing for you. Go to http://billsway.com/notes%5Fpublic/winxp%5Ftweaks/ and download WinXP-2K_Pagefile.zip and monitor your pagefile usage. That should give you a good idea of whether more memory can help, and if so, how much more. and if I have enough money after the move, I can have a tech look at it and see where the problems lie.., My son is pretty good with hard ware, but not with windows XP .. I have fixed his computer before. thanks to this group.. I know what a power supply is but up til now had never heard of a power supply "system".. so I will check into that.. thanks for the technical input.. it's appreciated. thanks, Rainy w_tom" wrote in message ... On Apr 7, 7:44 pm, "Rainy" wrote: I'm thinking there is another reason why my computer was frozen. It could have been an out of resources situation. or one of the other things that have been listed in this thread.. I have tendency to open a lot of windows at the same time.. I have a gig of ram, but I am a graphics hog.. and probably need more ram, I also need a larger drive, a couple of them.. .. 1 gbyte memory is constantly too small. When the computer needs more memory, it simply transfers code out to disk - virtual memory. If virtual memory is too small, then an OS announces the problem, enlarges virtual memory (on the disk) and keeps working. At no time will insufficient resources crash an OS. Reliability even in 1960 mainframes demanded that an OS always keep working. If computer cannot provide the resources, then the OS stops or removes that program - and keeps working. Hardware reasons for freezing were listed previously. Niether insufficient memory nor a disk drive is on that list. Defective memory (in limited locations) can crash a computer. Insufficient resources could crash unreliable OSes such as Windows 9x/ME. But insufficient resources must never crash a true pre-emptive multitasking OS such as Windows NT based OSes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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What I meant by check into it.. was to learn about it.. I don't thinnk you
can fault me there.. I have given up trying to run those floppies because all it was doing was to stress me out.. and that I don't need.. I am willing and able to follow most instructions.. but I get lost on some.. I am 69 years of age, and a female, no excuses, because I love to learn.. but I know my limits.. thanks Rainy "w_tom" wrote in message ... On Apr 8, 3:13 pm, "Rainy" wrote: ... , it has been my intention to buy more ram.. so I will do this.. and if I have enough money after the move, I can have a tech look at it and see where the problems lie.., My son is pretty good with hard ware, but not with windows XP ... I know what a power supply is but up til now had never heard of a power supply "system".. so I will check into that. You don't want to 'check into it' because there is nothing for you to 'check into'. There is a power supply 'system'. Therefore go back to that post, do each paragraph, one at a time. Then read the next paragraph and do it. That power supply 'system'? You will learn about it by doing what the paragraph says and then reporting here what was learned - the numbers. It is a two way street. You do those paragraphs and post results. Only then do you learn what you did, why, and what the power supply 'system' is. If you don't perform each paragraph, then every reply says nothing useful to you. Knowing anything about Windows XP is completely irrelevant. That will be obvious when you do what each paragraph says. But if each paragraph is not executed, then you will never understand why Windows XP is not significant. Freezing of XP is limited to only some hardware. Disk drive is not on that list. List includes video processor, sound card, CPU, some motherboard functions, some memory, and power supply 'system'. That procedure then starts the process of getting a solution - maybe in less time than it took to post a single reply. But if each paragraph is not executed, then you will never understand what hardware is significant. Again, buying memory or a new power supply is not a solution. Do not replace anything until the problem is first identified. Either do each paragraph posted previously - or take twice as long posting replies here that don't elicit useful information. Your replies will only be as useful as the information you post. Until you do those paragraphs, then your post and its reply will be more like this one - useless. That report on Pagefile.sys only confirms you have no resource problem - which is why the OS does not announce that problem. But again, you are looking for solution in XP. XP can provide useful facts which is why the system (event) logs and Device Manager should have been consulted and reported here. Then do things without Windows (as posted previously) to actually find the problem. |
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Let me say this back to you so you know I am understanding.. If the peak
usage is 50 mb then that is all I might need in additional ram? I will do this.. and write again after I have gathered some more data.. thanks Ken, Rainy "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:13:58 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: I ran the winxp pagefile usage monitor and here are the results. 5/8/2008 5:11:44 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 91 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB I finally was able to do something you experts have asked me to. Whoopie!!!! lol I hope this helps you to help me.,. thanks, hugs Rainy Run it again, and while you are doing your heaviest graphics processing. Run it for a while, not just a short time, and keep track of current pagefile usage and session peak usage (don't worry about the pagefile size). Write down the numbers you see every few minutes, so you can see how they vary over the course of a day, or several hours. The more you use the page file, the more your performance will suffer. More RAM will decrease your pagefile usage by an equivalent amount. So if your peak usage doesn't exceed the 240MB reported above, 240MB more RAM is all you would really need. And if you use that 240MB of pagefile only seldom, that amount won't do a lot for you, and you don't really need it. In fact, assuming that you are more often near the 91MB than the 240, those numbers show fairly light page file usage. That's why it's important to monitor page file for a fairly long period, and while you're doing your most memory-intensive work. You don't want to fall into the trap of seeing a high peak usage (say 2GB) and think that you therefore need another 2GB of RAM. If that 2GB of page file use is only for a minute or two a day, and the rest of the day it's only 10MB, you shouldn't waste money on any more RAM. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message news On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:13:43 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: Thank you for responding.. you have given me a lot of information.. correcting my misinformation so I know how to proceed, it has been my intention to buy more ram.. so I will do this.. Before you buy more RAM, realize that very few people need more than 1GB with Windows XP. Even that amount is more than most people need. Read the following: How much RAM you need for good performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB. Almost anyone will see poor performance with less than 256MB. Some people, particularly those doing things like editing large photographic images, can see a performance boost by adding even more than 512MB--sometimes much more. If you are currently using the page file significantly, more memory will decrease or eliminate that usage, and improve your performance. If you are not using the page file significantly, more memory will do nothing for you. Go to http://billsway.com/notes%5Fpublic/winxp%5Ftweaks/ and download WinXP-2K_Pagefile.zip and monitor your pagefile usage. That should give you a good idea of whether more memory can help, and if so, how much more. and if I have enough money after the move, I can have a tech look at it and see where the problems lie.., My son is pretty good with hard ware, but not with windows XP .. I have fixed his computer before. thanks to this group.. I know what a power supply is but up til now had never heard of a power supply "system".. so I will check into that.. thanks for the technical input.. it's appreciated. thanks, Rainy w_tom" wrote in message ... On Apr 7, 7:44 pm, "Rainy" wrote: I'm thinking there is another reason why my computer was frozen. It could have been an out of resources situation. or one of the other things that have been listed in this thread.. I have tendency to open a lot of windows at the same time.. I have a gig of ram, but I am a graphics hog.. and probably need more ram, I also need a larger drive, a couple of them.. .. 1 gbyte memory is constantly too small. When the computer needs more memory, it simply transfers code out to disk - virtual memory. If virtual memory is too small, then an OS announces the problem, enlarges virtual memory (on the disk) and keeps working. At no time will insufficient resources crash an OS. Reliability even in 1960 mainframes demanded that an OS always keep working. If computer cannot provide the resources, then the OS stops or removes that program - and keeps working. Hardware reasons for freezing were listed previously. Niether insufficient memory nor a disk drive is on that list. Defective memory (in limited locations) can crash a computer. Insufficient resources could crash unreliable OSes such as Windows 9x/ME. But insufficient resources must never crash a true pre-emptive multitasking OS such as Windows NT based OSes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Hardware Monitor found an error
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:18:10 -0500, "Rainy"
wrote: Gee I actually understood what you were saying.. lol thanks I will do that... and once I do get some high readings I will post back here.. thanks so much for the information.. Rainy You're welcome, and I'm glad to be understood. ;-) "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:13:58 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: I ran the winxp pagefile usage monitor and here are the results. 5/8/2008 5:11:44 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 91 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB I finally was able to do something you experts have asked me to. Whoopie!!!! lol I hope this helps you to help me.,. thanks, hugs Rainy Run it again, and while you are doing your heaviest graphics processing. Run it for a while, not just a short time, and keep track of current pagefile usage and session peak usage (don't worry about the pagefile size). Write down the numbers you see every few minutes, so you can see how they vary over the course of a day, or several hours. The more you use the page file, the more your performance will suffer. More RAM will decrease your pagefile usage by an equivalent amount. So if your peak usage doesn't exceed the 240MB reported above, 240MB more RAM is all you would really need. And if you use that 240MB of pagefile only seldom, that amount won't do a lot for you, and you don't really need it. In fact, assuming that you are more often near the 91MB than the 240, those numbers show fairly light page file usage. That's why it's important to monitor page file for a fairly long period, and while you're doing your most memory-intensive work. You don't want to fall into the trap of seeing a high peak usage (say 2GB) and think that you therefore need another 2GB of RAM. If that 2GB of page file use is only for a minute or two a day, and the rest of the day it's only 10MB, you shouldn't waste money on any more RAM. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message news On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:13:43 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: Thank you for responding.. you have given me a lot of information.. correcting my misinformation so I know how to proceed, it has been my intention to buy more ram.. so I will do this.. Before you buy more RAM, realize that very few people need more than 1GB with Windows XP. Even that amount is more than most people need. Read the following: How much RAM you need for good performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB. Almost anyone will see poor performance with less than 256MB. Some people, particularly those doing things like editing large photographic images, can see a performance boost by adding even more than 512MB--sometimes much more. If you are currently using the page file significantly, more memory will decrease or eliminate that usage, and improve your performance. If you are not using the page file significantly, more memory will do nothing for you. Go to http://billsway.com/notes%5Fpublic/winxp%5Ftweaks/ and download WinXP-2K_Pagefile.zip and monitor your pagefile usage. That should give you a good idea of whether more memory can help, and if so, how much more. and if I have enough money after the move, I can have a tech look at it and see where the problems lie.., My son is pretty good with hard ware, but not with windows XP .. I have fixed his computer before. thanks to this group.. I know what a power supply is but up til now had never heard of a power supply "system".. so I will check into that.. thanks for the technical input.. it's appreciated. thanks, Rainy w_tom" wrote in message ... On Apr 7, 7:44 pm, "Rainy" wrote: I'm thinking there is another reason why my computer was frozen. It could have been an out of resources situation. or one of the other things that have been listed in this thread.. I have tendency to open a lot of windows at the same time.. I have a gig of ram, but I am a graphics hog.. and probably need more ram, I also need a larger drive, a couple of them.. .. 1 gbyte memory is constantly too small. When the computer needs more memory, it simply transfers code out to disk - virtual memory. If virtual memory is too small, then an OS announces the problem, enlarges virtual memory (on the disk) and keeps working. At no time will insufficient resources crash an OS. Reliability even in 1960 mainframes demanded that an OS always keep working. If computer cannot provide the resources, then the OS stops or removes that program - and keeps working. Hardware reasons for freezing were listed previously. Niether insufficient memory nor a disk drive is on that list. Defective memory (in limited locations) can crash a computer. Insufficient resources could crash unreliable OSes such as Windows 9x/ME. But insufficient resources must never crash a true pre-emptive multitasking OS such as Windows NT based OSes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Hardware Monitor found an error
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:24:20 -0500, "Rainy"
wrote: Let me say this back to you so you know I am understanding.. If the peak usage is 50 mb then that is all I might need in additional ram? If the peak usage is that low, you don't need *any* additional RAM. Even if average usage is that low, you'd probably not notice any improvement by adding RAM. I will do this.. and write again after I have gathered some more data.. thanks Ken, Rainy "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:13:58 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: I ran the winxp pagefile usage monitor and here are the results. 5/8/2008 5:11:44 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 91 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB I finally was able to do something you experts have asked me to. Whoopie!!!! lol I hope this helps you to help me.,. thanks, hugs Rainy Run it again, and while you are doing your heaviest graphics processing. Run it for a while, not just a short time, and keep track of current pagefile usage and session peak usage (don't worry about the pagefile size). Write down the numbers you see every few minutes, so you can see how they vary over the course of a day, or several hours. The more you use the page file, the more your performance will suffer. More RAM will decrease your pagefile usage by an equivalent amount. So if your peak usage doesn't exceed the 240MB reported above, 240MB more RAM is all you would really need. And if you use that 240MB of pagefile only seldom, that amount won't do a lot for you, and you don't really need it. In fact, assuming that you are more often near the 91MB than the 240, those numbers show fairly light page file usage. That's why it's important to monitor page file for a fairly long period, and while you're doing your most memory-intensive work. You don't want to fall into the trap of seeing a high peak usage (say 2GB) and think that you therefore need another 2GB of RAM. If that 2GB of page file use is only for a minute or two a day, and the rest of the day it's only 10MB, you shouldn't waste money on any more RAM. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message news On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:13:43 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: Thank you for responding.. you have given me a lot of information.. correcting my misinformation so I know how to proceed, it has been my intention to buy more ram.. so I will do this.. Before you buy more RAM, realize that very few people need more than 1GB with Windows XP. Even that amount is more than most people need. Read the following: How much RAM you need for good performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB. Almost anyone will see poor performance with less than 256MB. Some people, particularly those doing things like editing large photographic images, can see a performance boost by adding even more than 512MB--sometimes much more. If you are currently using the page file significantly, more memory will decrease or eliminate that usage, and improve your performance. If you are not using the page file significantly, more memory will do nothing for you. Go to http://billsway.com/notes%5Fpublic/winxp%5Ftweaks/ and download WinXP-2K_Pagefile.zip and monitor your pagefile usage. That should give you a good idea of whether more memory can help, and if so, how much more. and if I have enough money after the move, I can have a tech look at it and see where the problems lie.., My son is pretty good with hard ware, but not with windows XP .. I have fixed his computer before. thanks to this group.. I know what a power supply is but up til now had never heard of a power supply "system".. so I will check into that.. thanks for the technical input.. it's appreciated. thanks, Rainy w_tom" wrote in message ... On Apr 7, 7:44 pm, "Rainy" wrote: I'm thinking there is another reason why my computer was frozen. It could have been an out of resources situation. or one of the other things that have been listed in this thread.. I have tendency to open a lot of windows at the same time.. I have a gig of ram, but I am a graphics hog.. and probably need more ram, I also need a larger drive, a couple of them.. .. 1 gbyte memory is constantly too small. When the computer needs more memory, it simply transfers code out to disk - virtual memory. If virtual memory is too small, then an OS announces the problem, enlarges virtual memory (on the disk) and keeps working. At no time will insufficient resources crash an OS. Reliability even in 1960 mainframes demanded that an OS always keep working. If computer cannot provide the resources, then the OS stops or removes that program - and keeps working. Hardware reasons for freezing were listed previously. Niether insufficient memory nor a disk drive is on that list. Defective memory (in limited locations) can crash a computer. Insufficient resources could crash unreliable OSes such as Windows 9x/ME. But insufficient resources must never crash a true pre-emptive multitasking OS such as Windows NT based OSes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Hardware Monitor found an error
I see, thanks.. Rainy
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:24:20 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: Let me say this back to you so you know I am understanding.. If the peak usage is 50 mb then that is all I might need in additional ram? If the peak usage is that low, you don't need *any* additional RAM. Even if average usage is that low, you'd probably not notice any improvement by adding RAM. I will do this.. and write again after I have gathered some more data.. thanks Ken, Rainy "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:13:58 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: I ran the winxp pagefile usage monitor and here are the results. 5/8/2008 5:11:44 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 91 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB I finally was able to do something you experts have asked me to. Whoopie!!!! lol I hope this helps you to help me.,. thanks, hugs Rainy Run it again, and while you are doing your heaviest graphics processing. Run it for a while, not just a short time, and keep track of current pagefile usage and session peak usage (don't worry about the pagefile size). Write down the numbers you see every few minutes, so you can see how they vary over the course of a day, or several hours. The more you use the page file, the more your performance will suffer. More RAM will decrease your pagefile usage by an equivalent amount. So if your peak usage doesn't exceed the 240MB reported above, 240MB more RAM is all you would really need. And if you use that 240MB of pagefile only seldom, that amount won't do a lot for you, and you don't really need it. In fact, assuming that you are more often near the 91MB than the 240, those numbers show fairly light page file usage. That's why it's important to monitor page file for a fairly long period, and while you're doing your most memory-intensive work. You don't want to fall into the trap of seeing a high peak usage (say 2GB) and think that you therefore need another 2GB of RAM. If that 2GB of page file use is only for a minute or two a day, and the rest of the day it's only 10MB, you shouldn't waste money on any more RAM. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message news On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:13:43 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: Thank you for responding.. you have given me a lot of information.. correcting my misinformation so I know how to proceed, it has been my intention to buy more ram.. so I will do this.. Before you buy more RAM, realize that very few people need more than 1GB with Windows XP. Even that amount is more than most people need. Read the following: How much RAM you need for good performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB. Almost anyone will see poor performance with less than 256MB. Some people, particularly those doing things like editing large photographic images, can see a performance boost by adding even more than 512MB--sometimes much more. If you are currently using the page file significantly, more memory will decrease or eliminate that usage, and improve your performance. If you are not using the page file significantly, more memory will do nothing for you. Go to http://billsway.com/notes%5Fpublic/winxp%5Ftweaks/ and download WinXP-2K_Pagefile.zip and monitor your pagefile usage. That should give you a good idea of whether more memory can help, and if so, how much more. and if I have enough money after the move, I can have a tech look at it and see where the problems lie.., My son is pretty good with hard ware, but not with windows XP .. I have fixed his computer before. thanks to this group.. I know what a power supply is but up til now had never heard of a power supply "system".. so I will check into that.. thanks for the technical input.. it's appreciated. thanks, Rainy w_tom" wrote in message ... On Apr 7, 7:44 pm, "Rainy" wrote: I'm thinking there is another reason why my computer was frozen. It could have been an out of resources situation. or one of the other things that have been listed in this thread.. I have tendency to open a lot of windows at the same time.. I have a gig of ram, but I am a graphics hog.. and probably need more ram, I also need a larger drive, a couple of them.. .. 1 gbyte memory is constantly too small. When the computer needs more memory, it simply transfers code out to disk - virtual memory. If virtual memory is too small, then an OS announces the problem, enlarges virtual memory (on the disk) and keeps working. At no time will insufficient resources crash an OS. Reliability even in 1960 mainframes demanded that an OS always keep working. If computer cannot provide the resources, then the OS stops or removes that program - and keeps working. Hardware reasons for freezing were listed previously. Niether insufficient memory nor a disk drive is on that list. Defective memory (in limited locations) can crash a computer. Insufficient resources could crash unreliable OSes such as Windows 9x/ME. But insufficient resources must never crash a true pre-emptive multitasking OS such as Windows NT based OSes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Hi, Most of the time Paint Shop pro was running, and when the page usage was
the highest, I had The Font Thing, Paint shop Pro and Itunes.up. so it doesn't look like I need more ram.. thanks for all the help I did have one last question .. If I changed the pagefile size, could that benefit me? Thanks so much Rainy 4/9/2008 7:18:56 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 102 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/9/2008 3:45:16 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 99 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/9/2008 3:29:32 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 152 MB The Font viewer along with paint shope pro were being used Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/9/2008 3:29:20 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 148 MB The Font viewer along with paint shope pro were being used Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/9/2008 1:24:09 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 163 MB Paint Shop Pro, Itunes, and The Font Thing were being used Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/9/2008 9:45:36 AM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 154 MB The Font viewer along with paint shope pro were being used Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/9/2008 9:42:32 AM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 153 MB The Font viewer along with paint shope pro were being used Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/9/2008 9:00:21 AM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 152 MB The Font viewer along with paint shope pro were being used.. Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/9/2008 7:17:16 AM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 100 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/9/2008 6:49:09 AM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 98 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/8/2008 11:25:52 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 96 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/8/2008 10:44:35 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 143 MB The Font viewer along with paint shope pro were being used Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/8/2008 9:44:07 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 100 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/8/2008 7:47:21 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 95 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/8/2008 7:40:05 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 101 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/8/2008 6:45:19 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 91 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/8/2008 6:30:41 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 91 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/8/2008 6:27:35 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 91 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/8/2008 5:36:10 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 102 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB 4/8/2008 5:11:44 PM Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys Current Pagefile Usage: 91 MB Session Peak Usage: 240 MB Current Pagefile Size: 1536 MB "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:18:05 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: I also wanted you to know what was running at the time I ran those vbs files.. Incredimail, Sygate, Gadwins Printscreen, Yahoo Messenger, Aim, AVG and Unlocker.. See my previous message, Rainy. You need to run it while running your Graphics software. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message news On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:13:43 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: Thank you for responding.. you have given me a lot of information.. correcting my misinformation so I know how to proceed, it has been my intention to buy more ram.. so I will do this.. Before you buy more RAM, realize that very few people need more than 1GB with Windows XP. Even that amount is more than most people need. Read the following: How much RAM you need for good performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB. Almost anyone will see poor performance with less than 256MB. Some people, particularly those doing things like editing large photographic images, can see a performance boost by adding even more than 512MB--sometimes much more. If you are currently using the page file significantly, more memory will decrease or eliminate that usage, and improve your performance. If you are not using the page file significantly, more memory will do nothing for you. Go to http://billsway.com/notes%5Fpublic/winxp%5Ftweaks/ and download WinXP-2K_Pagefile.zip and monitor your pagefile usage. That should give you a good idea of whether more memory can help, and if so, how much more. and if I have enough money after the move, I can have a tech look at it and see where the problems lie.., My son is pretty good with hard ware, but not with windows XP .. I have fixed his computer before. thanks to this group.. I know what a power supply is but up til now had never heard of a power supply "system".. so I will check into that.. thanks for the technical input.. it's appreciated. thanks, Rainy w_tom" wrote in message ... On Apr 7, 7:44 pm, "Rainy" wrote: I'm thinking there is another reason why my computer was frozen. It could have been an out of resources situation. or one of the other things that have been listed in this thread.. I have tendency to open a lot of windows at the same time.. I have a gig of ram, but I am a graphics hog.. and probably need more ram, I also need a larger drive, a couple of them.. .. 1 gbyte memory is constantly too small. When the computer needs more memory, it simply transfers code out to disk - virtual memory. If virtual memory is too small, then an OS announces the problem, enlarges virtual memory (on the disk) and keeps working. At no time will insufficient resources crash an OS. Reliability even in 1960 mainframes demanded that an OS always keep working. If computer cannot provide the resources, then the OS stops or removes that program - and keeps working. Hardware reasons for freezing were listed previously. Niether insufficient memory nor a disk drive is on that list. Defective memory (in limited locations) can crash a computer. Insufficient resources could crash unreliable OSes such as Windows 9x/ME. But insufficient resources must never crash a true pre-emptive multitasking OS such as Windows NT based OSes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Hardware Monitor found an error UPDATE
Just wanted you to know that I found the problem.. It was not a hard ware
problem.. but dirt* or rather tons of dust in the tower.. Normally I clean my tower often, but have overlooked it for some time.. Lots of things going on in my life at the moment, so I just didn't think about it.. When I was reading a thread online for someone having the same problem, they mentioned dirt.. so I immediately went to Walmart and bought a can of air, and a new *surge protector, since mine was only showing one yellow light and one green one.. The new one has all lights showing..but I don't know if that was part of the problem or not. I like to update my request for others reading the thread.. thanks for all the help.. hugs Rainy "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:18:05 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: I also wanted you to know what was running at the time I ran those vbs files.. Incredimail, Sygate, Gadwins Printscreen, Yahoo Messenger, Aim, AVG and Unlocker.. See my previous message, Rainy. You need to run it while running your Graphics software. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message news On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:13:43 -0500, "Rainy" wrote: Thank you for responding.. you have given me a lot of information.. correcting my misinformation so I know how to proceed, it has been my intention to buy more ram.. so I will do this.. Before you buy more RAM, realize that very few people need more than 1GB with Windows XP. Even that amount is more than most people need. Read the following: How much RAM you need for good performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB. Almost anyone will see poor performance with less than 256MB. Some people, particularly those doing things like editing large photographic images, can see a performance boost by adding even more than 512MB--sometimes much more. If you are currently using the page file significantly, more memory will decrease or eliminate that usage, and improve your performance. If you are not using the page file significantly, more memory will do nothing for you. Go to http://billsway.com/notes%5Fpublic/winxp%5Ftweaks/ and download WinXP-2K_Pagefile.zip and monitor your pagefile usage. That should give you a good idea of whether more memory can help, and if so, how much more. and if I have enough money after the move, I can have a tech look at it and see where the problems lie.., My son is pretty good with hard ware, but not with windows XP .. I have fixed his computer before. thanks to this group.. I know what a power supply is but up til now had never heard of a power supply "system".. so I will check into that.. thanks for the technical input.. it's appreciated. thanks, Rainy w_tom" wrote in message ... On Apr 7, 7:44 pm, "Rainy" wrote: I'm thinking there is another reason why my computer was frozen. It could have been an out of resources situation. or one of the other things that have been listed in this thread.. I have tendency to open a lot of windows at the same time.. I have a gig of ram, but I am a graphics hog.. and probably need more ram, I also need a larger drive, a couple of them.. .. 1 gbyte memory is constantly too small. When the computer needs more memory, it simply transfers code out to disk - virtual memory. If virtual memory is too small, then an OS announces the problem, enlarges virtual memory (on the disk) and keeps working. At no time will insufficient resources crash an OS. Reliability even in 1960 mainframes demanded that an OS always keep working. If computer cannot provide the resources, then the OS stops or removes that program - and keeps working. Hardware reasons for freezing were listed previously. Niether insufficient memory nor a disk drive is on that list. Defective memory (in limited locations) can crash a computer. Insufficient resources could crash unreliable OSes such as Windows 9x/ME. But insufficient resources must never crash a true pre-emptive multitasking OS such as Windows NT based OSes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Hardware Monitor found an error UPDATE
On Apr 16, 8:21*am, "Rainy" wrote:
Just wanted you to know that I found the problem.. It was not a hard ware problem.. but dirt* or rather tons of dust in the tower.. Normally I clean my tower often, but have overlooked it for some time.. Lots of things going on in my life at the moment, so I just didn't think about it.. When I was reading a thread online for someone having the same problem, they mentioned dirt.. so I immediately went to Walmart and bought a can of air, and a new *surge protector, since mine was only showing one yellow light and one green one.. The new one has all lights showing..but I don't know if that was part of the problem or not. The dirt has to be so thick that (for example) no holes existed in the heatsink). If not, then you may have only cured a symptom - heating being a diagnostic tool to find defective hardware. This summer is a good time to locate defective hardware. Operate the computer in a room that is 100 degrees F. Best is to execute diagnostics. No matter what the computer executes, it must work perfectly fine even in that 100 degree room. If not, then you still have defective hardware. Any computer that works just fine in 100 degrees should also work just fine with dirt in a 70 degree room. Unfortunately many clean a computer, see no problem, then blame the dirt - also called curing symptoms. Any desktop or laptop must work happy and fine all day in a 100 degree room. If not, then heat is the diagnostic tool to find defective hardware. |
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