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Daave,
I tried all of nass's suggestions, and the one that sort of worked was this FavOrg tool. FavOrg - Restore and Save Favorite Icons http://www.gratilog.net/anglais/internet/favorg.zip It seemed to restore about half of the bookmark icons in my Favorites back to the IE icon, but only about half of them. Now when I'm on a website, the icon on the URL is the IE icon. so yeah it worked. As far as the other half of the Bookmark icons, if I actually physically replace the bookmark with a new one from the same website, it will show IE icon. I have over 300 bookmarks, so I won't be doing that. I'll have to live with the unrepaired ones, until I slowly but surely replace them. Thank you again for all your help. Tom "Daave" wrote: Hmmm. Sometimes rebooting (even twice) can fix such a problem. If not, did you try the two Kelly's Korner tweaks from nass's post? Tom B. wrote: No, sir. No luck there. Still missing. I have the desktop IE icon. Just the URL IE icon is that weird piece of paper with the corner folded down thing. Thanks. Tom "Daave" wrote: Tom B. wrote: Here's one last problem. After I downloaded SP3 and upgraded to IE7, the IE icon that's to the far left of the URL, and is next to every IE Bookmark on your Favorites, is not the IE icon anymore. It's that weird icon you get when you have a file, but no program to support it? Know what I mean? It's white colored and it looks like a corner of a piece of paper is folded over? Get me? How do I get the IE icon back on the address bar next to the URL, and in my Bookmarks? Try this for starters: http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/rest...indows-xp-sp3/ Any luck? 
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March 16th 09, 06:16 PM
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Daave,
I tried all of nass's suggestions, and the one that sort of worked was this FavOrg tool. FavOrg - Restore and Save Favorite Icons http://www.gratilog.net/anglais/internet/favorg.zip It seemed to restore about half of the bookmark icons in my Favorites back to the IE icon, but only about half of them. Now when I'm on a website, the icon on the URL is the IE icon. so yeah it worked. As far as the other half of the Bookmark icons, if I actually physically replace the bookmark with a new one from the same website, it will show IE icon. I have over 300 bookmarks, so I won't be doing that. I'll have to live with the unrepaired ones, until I slowly but surely replace them. Thank you again for all your help. Tom "Daave" wrote: Hmmm. Sometimes rebooting (even twice) can fix such a problem. If not, did you try the two Kelly's Korner tweaks from nass's post? Tom B. wrote: No, sir. No luck there. Still missing. I have the desktop IE icon. Just the URL IE icon is that weird piece of paper with the corner folded down thing. Thanks. Tom "Daave" wrote: Tom B. wrote: Here's one last problem. After I downloaded SP3 and upgraded to IE7, the IE icon that's to the far left of the URL, and is next to every IE Bookmark on your Favorites, is not the IE icon anymore. It's that weird icon you get when you have a file, but no program to support it? Know what I mean? It's white colored and it looks like a corner of a piece of paper is folded over? Get me? How do I get the IE icon back on the address bar next to the URL, and in my Bookmarks? Try this for starters: http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/rest...indows-xp-sp3/ Any luck?
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March 16th 09, 06:20 PM
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nass,
Of all your suggestions, the FavOrg tool was the one that fixed it. Thanks!! You're a genius. The icon on the actual URL in the address bar now has the IE icon. About half of the bookmark icons in my Favorites are back to the IE icon. The other half are still that weird "unsupported file" icon. I found that if I physically replace the Bookmark with a new one from the same website, it will show the IE icon. Since I have over 300 bookmarks, I won't be doing that. I'll have to live with them until slowly but surely they get replaced. Thank you again for all your help! Tom "nass" wrote: "Tom B." wrote: Here's one last problem. After I downloaded SP3 and upgraded to IE7, the IE icon that's to the far left of the URL, and is next to every IE Bookmark on your Favorites, is not the IE icon anymore. It's that weird icon you get when you have a file, but no program to support it? Know what I mean? It's white colored and it looks like a corner of a piece of paper is folded over? Get me? How do I get the IE icon back on the address bar next to the URL, and in my Bookmarks? Thanks. Tom - Click start Control Panel Double Click Network and Internet Connections Double click Internet Options, on the IE Properties window you will see these Options: General | Security | Privacy | Content | Connections | Programs | Advanced . Click on General Tab (1st Tab on the left) and you will see a Button called [ Clear History ..] click on it to clear your History caches, then click on [Delete Files..] to delete Internet Files created over the time, click on [ Delete Cookies...] to delete your cookies left by visiting websites. Then click on Advanced tab and scroll down to under the Browsing Option: [&] Browsing [ ] Enable Third-Party browser extensions (Req Rest) uncheck this box. Click [Apply] then [OK] to close the IE properties. Scan for malware from he SuperAntispyware - Free http://www.superantispyware.com/supe...freevspro.html FavOrg - Restore and Save Favorite Icons http://www.gratilog.net/anglais/internet/favorg.zip Increase Icon Cache-Line 121: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm Correct/Repair the Icon View-Line 4: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm HTH, nass --- http://www.nasstec.co.uk
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March 16th 09, 06:20 PM
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nass,
Of all your suggestions, the FavOrg tool was the one that fixed it. Thanks!! You're a genius. The icon on the actual URL in the address bar now has the IE icon. About half of the bookmark icons in my Favorites are back to the IE icon. The other half are still that weird "unsupported file" icon. I found that if I physically replace the Bookmark with a new one from the same website, it will show the IE icon. Since I have over 300 bookmarks, I won't be doing that. I'll have to live with them until slowly but surely they get replaced. Thank you again for all your help! Tom "nass" wrote: "Tom B." wrote: Here's one last problem. After I downloaded SP3 and upgraded to IE7, the IE icon that's to the far left of the URL, and is next to every IE Bookmark on your Favorites, is not the IE icon anymore. It's that weird icon you get when you have a file, but no program to support it? Know what I mean? It's white colored and it looks like a corner of a piece of paper is folded over? Get me? How do I get the IE icon back on the address bar next to the URL, and in my Bookmarks? Thanks. Tom - Click start Control Panel Double Click Network and Internet Connections Double click Internet Options, on the IE Properties window you will see these Options: General | Security | Privacy | Content | Connections | Programs | Advanced . Click on General Tab (1st Tab on the left) and you will see a Button called [ Clear History ..] click on it to clear your History caches, then click on [Delete Files..] to delete Internet Files created over the time, click on [ Delete Cookies...] to delete your cookies left by visiting websites. Then click on Advanced tab and scroll down to under the Browsing Option: [&] Browsing [ ] Enable Third-Party browser extensions (Req Rest) uncheck this box. Click [Apply] then [OK] to close the IE properties. Scan for malware from he SuperAntispyware - Free http://www.superantispyware.com/supe...freevspro.html FavOrg - Restore and Save Favorite Icons http://www.gratilog.net/anglais/internet/favorg.zip Increase Icon Cache-Line 121: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm Correct/Repair the Icon View-Line 4: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm HTH, nass --- http://www.nasstec.co.uk
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March 16th 09, 07:16 PM
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Tom I think you installed SP3 first then IE7 which will make it difficult to uninstall IE7. Why? Because I'm guessing your IE installation not complete or damaged by interferring from the Anti-virus or the download interrrupted somehow/somewhere along the line!!! Last thing to try is to reinstall IE7 by downloading the installer from here and run it. Please disconnect from the internet and Disable your Firewall/Antivirus program then double click the installer to execute. Reboot your machine and the first thing to do is to RENABLE the Firewall/Antivirus program then reconnect to the Internet. Internet Explorer 7 downloads http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow.../getitnow.mspx If the above didn't work try to Run the Disk Check up on Reboot and see if that will solve the issue. Other than that leave it it my need another security updates to sort out this mess. You can download this tool to run clean up (run both the Application and the Registry Options): http://www.ccleaner.com/download/bui...wnloading-slim Run this command: sfc /scannow HTH, nass ------- http://www.nasstec.co.uk "Tom B." wrote: Incidentally, I received these tips from Don Varnau (MS-MVP), and neither of these worked either. Here's a copy and paste: Hi, First try the procedure in this article to reset the icon cache: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=926715 Then see this article: 930426- The default system icon is displayed for Internet shortcut files: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/930426 - Hope this helps, Don [MS MVP- IE] Tom "Daave" wrote: Tom B. wrote: Here's one last problem. After I downloaded SP3 and upgraded to IE7, the IE icon that's to the far left of the URL, and is next to every IE Bookmark on your Favorites, is not the IE icon anymore. It's that weird icon you get when you have a file, but no program to support it? Know what I mean? It's white colored and it looks like a corner of a piece of paper is folded over? Get me? How do I get the IE icon back on the address bar next to the URL, and in my Bookmarks? Try this for starters: http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/rest...indows-xp-sp3/ Any luck?
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March 16th 09, 07:16 PM
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Tom I think you installed SP3 first then IE7 which will make it difficult to uninstall IE7. Why? Because I'm guessing your IE installation not complete or damaged by interferring from the Anti-virus or the download interrrupted somehow/somewhere along the line!!! Last thing to try is to reinstall IE7 by downloading the installer from here and run it. Please disconnect from the internet and Disable your Firewall/Antivirus program then double click the installer to execute. Reboot your machine and the first thing to do is to RENABLE the Firewall/Antivirus program then reconnect to the Internet. Internet Explorer 7 downloads http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow.../getitnow.mspx If the above didn't work try to Run the Disk Check up on Reboot and see if that will solve the issue. Other than that leave it it my need another security updates to sort out this mess. You can download this tool to run clean up (run both the Application and the Registry Options): http://www.ccleaner.com/download/bui...wnloading-slim Run this command: sfc /scannow HTH, nass ------- http://www.nasstec.co.uk "Tom B." wrote: Incidentally, I received these tips from Don Varnau (MS-MVP), and neither of these worked either. Here's a copy and paste: Hi, First try the procedure in this article to reset the icon cache: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=926715 Then see this article: 930426- The default system icon is displayed for Internet shortcut files: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/930426 - Hope this helps, Don [MS MVP- IE] Tom "Daave" wrote: Tom B. wrote: Here's one last problem. After I downloaded SP3 and upgraded to IE7, the IE icon that's to the far left of the URL, and is next to every IE Bookmark on your Favorites, is not the IE icon anymore. It's that weird icon you get when you have a file, but no program to support it? Know what I mean? It's white colored and it looks like a corner of a piece of paper is folded over? Get me? How do I get the IE icon back on the address bar next to the URL, and in my Bookmarks? Try this for starters: http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/rest...indows-xp-sp3/ Any luck?
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March 20th 09, 04:59 PM
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why don't you download from another computer?
"Tom B." escreveu na mensagem ... I have never installed Service Pack 2 because I always get an error 3/4 of the way through installation. My system has worked fine without it up until now. Now I'm having real browser problems and stuff. Every time I have ever attempted to download SP2, the error message code is Error Code: 0x80070080. How do I rectify this? I really want to upgrade my service pack. Thanks.
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March 20th 09, 04:59 PM
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why don't you download from another computer?
"Tom B." escreveu na mensagem ... I have never installed Service Pack 2 because I always get an error 3/4 of the way through installation. My system has worked fine without it up until now. Now I'm having real browser problems and stuff. Every time I have ever attempted to download SP2, the error message code is Error Code: 0x80070080. How do I rectify this? I really want to upgrade my service pack. Thanks.
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#54
March 26th 09, 05:23 AM
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nass,
Yes, I did download SP3 first before I downloaded IE7. Reason being that I had SP1 before and couldn't download IE7 until I upgraded my Service Pack. I'll go to the website and re-download IE7 and let you know what happens. Tom "nass" wrote: Tom I think you installed SP3 first then IE7 which will make it difficult to uninstall IE7. Why? Because I'm guessing your IE installation not complete or damaged by interferring from the Anti-virus or the download interrrupted somehow/somewhere along the line!!! Last thing to try is to reinstall IE7 by downloading the installer from here and run it. Please disconnect from the internet and Disable your Firewall/Antivirus program then double click the installer to execute. Reboot your machine and the first thing to do is to RENABLE the Firewall/Antivirus program then reconnect to the Internet. Internet Explorer 7 downloads http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow.../getitnow.mspx If the above didn't work try to Run the Disk Check up on Reboot and see if that will solve the issue. Other than that leave it it my need another security updates to sort out this mess. You can download this tool to run clean up (run both the Application and the Registry Options): http://www.ccleaner.com/download/bui...wnloading-slim Run this command: sfc /scannow HTH, nass ------- http://www.nasstec.co.uk "Tom B." wrote: Incidentally, I received these tips from Don Varnau (MS-MVP), and neither of these worked either. Here's a copy and paste: Hi, First try the procedure in this article to reset the icon cache: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=926715 Then see this article: 930426- The default system icon is displayed for Internet shortcut files: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/930426 - Hope this helps, Don [MS MVP- IE] Tom "Daave" wrote: Tom B. wrote: Here's one last problem. After I downloaded SP3 and upgraded to IE7, the IE icon that's to the far left of the URL, and is next to every IE Bookmark on your Favorites, is not the IE icon anymore. It's that weird icon you get when you have a file, but no program to support it? Know what I mean? It's white colored and it looks like a corner of a piece of paper is folded over? Get me? How do I get the IE icon back on the address bar next to the URL, and in my Bookmarks? Try this for starters: http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/rest...indows-xp-sp3/ Any luck?
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March 26th 09, 05:23 AM
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nass,
Yes, I did download SP3 first before I downloaded IE7. Reason being that I had SP1 before and couldn't download IE7 until I upgraded my Service Pack. I'll go to the website and re-download IE7 and let you know what happens. Tom "nass" wrote: Tom I think you installed SP3 first then IE7 which will make it difficult to uninstall IE7. Why? Because I'm guessing your IE installation not complete or damaged by interferring from the Anti-virus or the download interrrupted somehow/somewhere along the line!!! Last thing to try is to reinstall IE7 by downloading the installer from here and run it. Please disconnect from the internet and Disable your Firewall/Antivirus program then double click the installer to execute. Reboot your machine and the first thing to do is to RENABLE the Firewall/Antivirus program then reconnect to the Internet. Internet Explorer 7 downloads http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow.../getitnow.mspx If the above didn't work try to Run the Disk Check up on Reboot and see if that will solve the issue. Other than that leave it it my need another security updates to sort out this mess. You can download this tool to run clean up (run both the Application and the Registry Options): http://www.ccleaner.com/download/bui...wnloading-slim Run this command: sfc /scannow HTH, nass ------- http://www.nasstec.co.uk "Tom B." wrote: Incidentally, I received these tips from Don Varnau (MS-MVP), and neither of these worked either. Here's a copy and paste: Hi, First try the procedure in this article to reset the icon cache: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=926715 Then see this article: 930426- The default system icon is displayed for Internet shortcut files: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/930426 - Hope this helps, Don [MS MVP- IE] Tom "Daave" wrote: Tom B. wrote: Here's one last problem. After I downloaded SP3 and upgraded to IE7, the IE icon that's to the far left of the URL, and is next to every IE Bookmark on your Favorites, is not the IE icon anymore. It's that weird icon you get when you have a file, but no program to support it? Know what I mean? It's white colored and it looks like a corner of a piece of paper is folded over? Get me? How do I get the IE icon back on the address bar next to the URL, and in my Bookmarks? Try this for starters: http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/rest...indows-xp-sp3/ Any luck?
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March 26th 09, 06:08 AM
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nass,
So I went ahead and installed IE8 for SP3 and it resolved the icon/favicon problem. Simple enough. Thanks for all your invaluable help along the way. Tom "nass" wrote: Tom I think you installed SP3 first then IE7 which will make it difficult to uninstall IE7. Why? Because I'm guessing your IE installation not complete or damaged by interferring from the Anti-virus or the download interrrupted somehow/somewhere along the line!!! Last thing to try is to reinstall IE7 by downloading the installer from here and run it. Please disconnect from the internet and Disable your Firewall/Antivirus program then double click the installer to execute. Reboot your machine and the first thing to do is to RENABLE the Firewall/Antivirus program then reconnect to the Internet. Internet Explorer 7 downloads http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow.../getitnow.mspx If the above didn't work try to Run the Disk Check up on Reboot and see if that will solve the issue. Other than that leave it it my need another security updates to sort out this mess. You can download this tool to run clean up (run both the Application and the Registry Options): http://www.ccleaner.com/download/bui...wnloading-slim Run this command: sfc /scannow HTH, nass ------- http://www.nasstec.co.uk "Tom B." wrote: Incidentally, I received these tips from Don Varnau (MS-MVP), and neither of these worked either. Here's a copy and paste: Hi, First try the procedure in this article to reset the icon cache: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=926715 Then see this article: 930426- The default system icon is displayed for Internet shortcut files: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/930426 - Hope this helps, Don [MS MVP- IE] Tom "Daave" wrote: Tom B. wrote: Here's one last problem. After I downloaded SP3 and upgraded to IE7, the IE icon that's to the far left of the URL, and is next to every IE Bookmark on your Favorites, is not the IE icon anymore. It's that weird icon you get when you have a file, but no program to support it? Know what I mean? It's white colored and it looks like a corner of a piece of paper is folded over? Get me? How do I get the IE icon back on the address bar next to the URL, and in my Bookmarks? Try this for starters: http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/rest...indows-xp-sp3/ Any luck?
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March 26th 09, 06:08 AM
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nass,
So I went ahead and installed IE8 for SP3 and it resolved the icon/favicon problem. Simple enough. Thanks for all your invaluable help along the way. Tom "nass" wrote: Tom I think you installed SP3 first then IE7 which will make it difficult to uninstall IE7. Why? Because I'm guessing your IE installation not complete or damaged by interferring from the Anti-virus or the download interrrupted somehow/somewhere along the line!!! Last thing to try is to reinstall IE7 by downloading the installer from here and run it. Please disconnect from the internet and Disable your Firewall/Antivirus program then double click the installer to execute. Reboot your machine and the first thing to do is to RENABLE the Firewall/Antivirus program then reconnect to the Internet. Internet Explorer 7 downloads http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow.../getitnow.mspx If the above didn't work try to Run the Disk Check up on Reboot and see if that will solve the issue. Other than that leave it it my need another security updates to sort out this mess. You can download this tool to run clean up (run both the Application and the Registry Options): http://www.ccleaner.com/download/bui...wnloading-slim Run this command: sfc /scannow HTH, nass ------- http://www.nasstec.co.uk "Tom B." wrote: Incidentally, I received these tips from Don Varnau (MS-MVP), and neither of these worked either. Here's a copy and paste: Hi, First try the procedure in this article to reset the icon cache: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=926715 Then see this article: 930426- The default system icon is displayed for Internet shortcut files: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/930426 - Hope this helps, Don [MS MVP- IE] Tom "Daave" wrote: Tom B. wrote: Here's one last problem. After I downloaded SP3 and upgraded to IE7, the IE icon that's to the far left of the URL, and is next to every IE Bookmark on your Favorites, is not the IE icon anymore. It's that weird icon you get when you have a file, but no program to support it? Know what I mean? It's white colored and it looks like a corner of a piece of paper is folded over? Get me? How do I get the IE icon back on the address bar next to the URL, and in my Bookmarks? Try this for starters: http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/rest...indows-xp-sp3/ Any luck?
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March 26th 09, 06:11 AM
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Daave,
Resolved the missing icon/favicon problem by upgrading browser to IE8 for SP3. Thanks for all your help! It was appreciated. Tom "Daave" wrote: Hmmm. Sometimes rebooting (even twice) can fix such a problem. If not, did you try the two Kelly's Korner tweaks from nass's post? Tom B. wrote: No, sir. No luck there. Still missing. I have the desktop IE icon. Just the URL IE icon is that weird piece of paper with the corner folded down thing. Thanks. Tom "Daave" wrote: Tom B. wrote: Here's one last problem. After I downloaded SP3 and upgraded to IE7, the IE icon that's to the far left of the URL, and is next to every IE Bookmark on your Favorites, is not the IE icon anymore. It's that weird icon you get when you have a file, but no program to support it? Know what I mean? It's white colored and it looks like a corner of a piece of paper is folded over? Get me? How do I get the IE icon back on the address bar next to the URL, and in my Bookmarks? Try this for starters: http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/rest...indows-xp-sp3/ Any luck?
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March 26th 09, 06:11 AM
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Daave,
Resolved the missing icon/favicon problem by upgrading browser to IE8 for SP3. Thanks for all your help! It was appreciated. Tom "Daave" wrote: Hmmm. Sometimes rebooting (even twice) can fix such a problem. If not, did you try the two Kelly's Korner tweaks from nass's post? Tom B. wrote: No, sir. No luck there. Still missing. I have the desktop IE icon. Just the URL IE icon is that weird piece of paper with the corner folded down thing. Thanks. Tom "Daave" wrote: Tom B. wrote: Here's one last problem. After I downloaded SP3 and upgraded to IE7, the IE icon that's to the far left of the URL, and is next to every IE Bookmark on your Favorites, is not the IE icon anymore. It's that weird icon you get when you have a file, but no program to support it? Know what I mean? It's white colored and it looks like a corner of a piece of paper is folded over? Get me? How do I get the IE icon back on the address bar next to the URL, and in my Bookmarks? Try this for starters: http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/rest...indows-xp-sp3/ Any luck?
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March 26th 09, 02:26 PM
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Happy it's been resolved. Thanks for letting us know.
Tom B. wrote: Daave, Resolved the missing icon/favicon problem by upgrading browser to IE8 for SP3. Thanks for all your help! It was appreciated. Tom "Daave" wrote: Hmmm. Sometimes rebooting (even twice) can fix such a problem. If not, did you try the two Kelly's Korner tweaks from nass's post? Tom B. wrote: No, sir. No luck there. Still missing. I have the desktop IE icon. Just the URL IE icon is that weird piece of paper with the corner folded down thing. Thanks. Tom "Daave" wrote: Tom B. wrote: Here's one last problem. After I downloaded SP3 and upgraded to IE7, the IE icon that's to the far left of the URL, and is next to every IE Bookmark on your Favorites, is not the IE icon anymore. It's that weird icon you get when you have a file, but no program to support it? Know what I mean? It's white colored and it looks like a corner of a piece of paper is folded over? Get me? How do I get the IE icon back on the address bar next to the URL, and in my Bookmarks? Try this for starters: http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/rest...indows-xp-sp3/ Any luck?
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