OEM Windows

Not sure how good the encryption is from MS. Is that any good in
comparison to other offerings?
The other feature don't help me, thats why i opted for the home. I
used to have XP pro. Did not need all the option though.

On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 18:21:43 -0500, "KCB" wrote:


"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , KCB writes:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , VanguardLH
writes:
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Forgot to mention that the prices that I exampled were for the
Professional version. I don't waste my time with the Home editions.

Out of interest, why do you say that - what is missing from the home
editions that would make them a waste of your time?


Start here, then click the various tabs for more information:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...oducts/compare

Yes, I could have found that for myself: I was curious which feature(s)
YOU considered it a waste of time not to have.

To save others the time, the above page lists the differences as:

o XP mode only available in Pro
o company networks easier and more secure in Pro
o backup to a network only available in Pro
o BitLocker encryption only available in Ult
o language-switching only available in Ult

Here are others that you didn't mention, but I'm sure there are more. I
believe you were asking Vanguard, but the reason I like Pro is for the XP
Mode and Networking capabilities.
-Joining a domain only available in Pro and above
-Remote desktop is available to all, but can only connect to Pro and above
-File encryption in Pro and above
-Group Policy Editor in Pro and above

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Access denied....

Gee, i would opt for Amiga OS then. Best ever system i ran in my life.
Now we are stuck with 2 commercial choices. Windows and Mac. Thats it.
So big choices.

On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:51:48 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:


It's quantity and free enterprise.

I really wish the contemporary computer "world" was like 30+ years ago.
You could go to a store and see IBM, Commodore, Apple, Atari,
Timex/Sinclair, Radio Shack, TI, (who else was out there......), and a
lot of models of each. But, not too many different OS's exist anymore,
compared to then.

It does seem to be moving back to that situation, though. It used to be
you pretty much had to go to an Apple store to see Apples. PC's were
like trash on the street, pretty much everywhere.

But Apple seems to be branching out, you can now buy them at Micro
Center stores (the one in Denver, CO, USA has a real nice Mac section),
and Best Buy (cheesy Mac area), and there are a few remaining Apple
retailers (there's one here in Colorado Springs, CO).

I wish places like Micro Center and Best Buy would set up some Linux
machines, so consumers could have the opportunity to see and evaluate 3
OS's. Although I don't think, personally, that Linux is quite ready for
the general public from what little I've seen.
--

Access denied....

Well, i can't afford MSOffice. And i don't even need it so i use Libre
Office right now. Works for me.

Btw. my question really was about one computer with one copy of OS.
Not that that got mixed up somehow.

Donating is always good. There are so many programs that sometimes do
the same as full blown software.


On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 06:08:19 +0000, choro wrote:

Look, there is one rule that is both fair and simple. You buy and OEM
version and this should give you the right to run the OS on one machine
and not install it on more than one machine at any moment in time.

That would be both fair and simple both for MS and for the customer.

What they have done with MS Office, in that if you buy the Student/Home
version, you can run it on up to 3 machines, is both fair and simple.
That was a good positive move by MS. It just doesn't make sense to
charge a home user hundreds of dollars for ANY edition of MS Office.

Let me also add here that I am definitely against piracy and abhor it.
But do I welcome freeware? Of course I do. But I would rather pay a
reasonable sum for any software if it does a better job and if I am
going to make use of it for several years.

Sometimes I feel people have got their priorities wrong. I think people
should also donate at least some money to freebies just to show their
appreciation. I, for example, have started making a yearly donation to
Wikipedia and some other such setups. They DO deserve it.

Though beware of Registry Cleaners and certain AV programs that try to
get a free ride on the backs of freebies and lumber your computer in
stealth!
-- choro

On 04/03/2012 02:35, Joerg Jaeger wrote:
I have to say that it does sound silly. I mean you would keep a screw
and its the original state.
Well, but if that makes it legal its well.
Though, does it now tie it to a hardware or not? I am still puzzled on
that issue.

On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 17:07:39 -0600, wrote:

On 3/3/2012 4:26 PM, Joerg Jaeger wrote:
My concern would be the motherboard. My understanding was that the
motherboard consitutes as a computer. I mean, does Win7 not collect
information and send it then to MS? I actually thought that is what
they are doing. So in my logic they would know what hardware i run the
copy of Win7 on.

No, Microsoft made it clear that you can exchange a defective
motherboard with an OEM license. You can upgrade with an OEM license
too. The common rule is something original must be kept. What is unclear
is how small of the original can you go. As does one original screw
count or what?
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Access denied....
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Access denied....

Thanks for the link and info.
I always thought that they did know what hardware i was running.
Perhaps i was to paranoid.
So they would see a change but would not know what changed. In that
case it should be possible to replace the motherboard. Well, but thats
just out of curiousity.

On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 19:55:01 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 14:26:33 -0800, Joerg Jaeger
wrote:

My concern would be the motherboard. My understanding was that the
motherboard consitutes as a computer. I mean, does Win7 not collect
information and send it then to MS? I actually thought that is what
they are doing. So in my logic they would know what hardware i run the
copy of Win7 on.

I seem to remember reading that Windows collects information about the
hardware that it sees *and then computes a hash* from that
information. Thus, MS would have no knowledge of the hardware you're
using, but they can see if it changes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_function
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Access denied....

On 3/4/12 12:10 AM, Joerg Jaeger wrote:
Gee, i would opt for Amiga OS then.

I don 't know the details, but the Amiga OS is still out there.

--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 10.0.2
Thunderbird 10.0.2
LibreOffice 3.5.0 rc3

On 04/03/2012 07:15, Joerg Jaeger wrote:
Well, i can't afford MSOffice. And i don't even need it so i use Libre
Office right now. Works for me.

LibreOffice is to be recommended. I have it installed too and recommend
it to others. Actually LibreOffice will do everything MS Office (Home
and Student version) will do and more.
-- choro


Btw. my question really was about one computer with one copy of OS.
Not that that got mixed up somehow.

Donating is always good. There are so many programs that sometimes do
the same as full blown software.


On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 06:08:19 +0000, wrote:

Look, there is one rule that is both fair and simple. You buy and OEM
version and this should give you the right to run the OS on one machine
and not install it on more than one machine at any moment in time.

That would be both fair and simple both for MS and for the customer.

What they have done with MS Office, in that if you buy the Student/Home
version, you can run it on up to 3 machines, is both fair and simple.
That was a good positive move by MS. It just doesn't make sense to
charge a home user hundreds of dollars for ANY edition of MS Office.

Let me also add here that I am definitely against piracy and abhor it.
But do I welcome freeware? Of course I do. But I would rather pay a
reasonable sum for any software if it does a better job and if I am
going to make use of it for several years.

Sometimes I feel people have got their priorities wrong. I think people
should also donate at least some money to freebies just to show their
appreciation. I, for example, have started making a yearly donation to
Wikipedia and some other such setups. They DO deserve it.

Though beware of Registry Cleaners and certain AV programs that try to
get a free ride on the backs of freebies and lumber your computer in
stealth!
-- choro

On 04/03/2012 02:35, Joerg Jaeger wrote:
I have to say that it does sound silly. I mean you would keep a screw
and its the original state.
Well, but if that makes it legal its well.
Though, does it now tie it to a hardware or not? I am still puzzled on
that issue.

On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 17:07:39 -0600, wrote:

On 3/3/2012 4:26 PM, Joerg Jaeger wrote:
My concern would be the motherboard. My understanding was that the
motherboard consitutes as a computer. I mean, does Win7 not collect
information and send it then to MS? I actually thought that is what
they are doing. So in my logic they would know what hardware i run the
copy of Win7 on.

No, Microsoft made it clear that you can exchange a defective
motherboard with an OEM license. You can upgrade with an OEM license
too. The common rule is something original must be kept. What is unclear
is how small of the original can you go. As does one original screw
count or what?
--

Access denied....
--

Access denied....

Ken Springer wrote:
On 3/4/12 12:10 AM, Joerg Jaeger wrote:
Gee, i would opt for Amiga OS then.

I don 't know the details, but the Amiga OS is still out there.

So's DOS if you don't insist on it being MS. FreeDOS is available for
CLI freaks.

http://www.freedos.org/

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

choro wrote:
On 04/03/2012 07:15, Joerg Jaeger wrote:
Well, i can't afford MSOffice. And i don't even need it so i use Libre
Office right now. Works for me.

LibreOffice is to be recommended. I have it installed too and recommend
it to others. Actually LibreOffice will do everything MS Office (Home
and Student version) will do and more.
-- choro

It has problems opening a few complicated MS documents, but then again,
so do versions of MS Office other than those which created the document.

One thing which Libre Office will do that MSO often won't do without
faffing about is open, edit and save MS Works documents.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

In ,
Ken Springer wrote:
I wish places like Micro Center and Best Buy would set up some Linux
machines, so consumers could have the opportunity to see and evaluate
3 OS's. Although I don't think, personally, that Linux is quite
ready for the general public from what little I've seen.

Linux has been in stores off and on for years. But the same thing always
happens, they finally get pulled from the shelves since they don't sell
well.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Ken Springer wrote:
I wish places like Micro Center and Best Buy would set up some Linux
machines, so consumers could have the opportunity to see and evaluate
3 OS's. Although I don't think, personally, that Linux is quite
ready for the general public from what little I've seen.

Linux has been in stores off and on for years. But the same thing always
happens, they finally get pulled from the shelves since they don't sell
well.

Two reasons I don't use Linux at the moment. There's a lack of hardware
support compared to Windows, and the interface seems to change every
time I look at it.

As a contrast, every peripheral I buy either comes with a Windows driver
disc, or is supported natively, and I haven't had to learn a new
interface since 2003.

Windows 7 is not the same as XP, but it's also not *that* different.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 3/4/12 2:45 AM, John Williamson wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Ken Springer wrote:
I wish places like Micro Center and Best Buy would set up some Linux
machines, so consumers could have the opportunity to see and evaluate
3 OS's. Although I don't think, personally, that Linux is quite
ready for the general public from what little I've seen.

Linux has been in stores off and on for years. But the same thing always
happens, they finally get pulled from the shelves since they don't sell
well.

Two reasons I don't use Linux at the moment. There's a lack of hardware
support compared to Windows, and the interface seems to change every
time I look at it.

But this phenomenon is true regardless of the industry. The best
selling/desired autos get the most 3rd party accessories. The most
popular computer activity gets the most software choices, i.e. games vs.
CAD.

As for the interface, there's only one basic "face" to Windows. But how
many "faces" are there to Linux?

As a contrast, every peripheral I buy either comes with a Windows driver
disc, or is supported natively, and I haven't had to learn a new
interface since 2003.

But I see more and more Linux drivers available as time goes by.

What about cell phone interfaces?

Windows 7 is not the same as XP, but it's also not *that* different.

I've not looked at Windows 8 at all, but the comments I hear says it's
very different.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 10.0.2
Thunderbird 10.0.2
LibreOffice 3.5.0 rc3

On 3/4/12 2:27 AM, John Williamson wrote:
choro wrote:
On 04/03/2012 07:15, Joerg Jaeger wrote:
Well, i can't afford MSOffice. And i don't even need it so i use Libre
Office right now. Works for me.

LibreOffice is to be recommended. I have it installed too and recommend
it to others. Actually LibreOffice will do everything MS Office (Home
and Student version) will do and more.
-- choro

It has problems opening a few complicated MS documents, but then again,
so do versions of MS Office other than those which created the document.

One thing which Libre Office will do that MSO often won't do without
faffing about is open, edit and save MS Works documents.

As you can tell from my sig, I also use LO. But, if you have need for a
powerful database, LO's Base has quite a ways to got to match Access.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 10.0.2
Thunderbird 10.0.2
LibreOffice 3.5.0 rc3

Ken Springer wrote:
On 3/4/12 2:27 AM, John Williamson wrote:
choro wrote:
On 04/03/2012 07:15, Joerg Jaeger wrote:
Well, i can't afford MSOffice. And i don't even need it so i use Libre
Office right now. Works for me.

LibreOffice is to be recommended. I have it installed too and recommend
it to others. Actually LibreOffice will do everything MS Office (Home
and Student version) will do and more.
-- choro

It has problems opening a few complicated MS documents, but then again,
so do versions of MS Office other than those which created the document.

One thing which Libre Office will do that MSO often won't do without
faffing about is open, edit and save MS Works documents.

As you can tell from my sig, I also use LO. But, if you have need for a
powerful database, LO's Base has quite a ways to got to match Access.


I'll not disagree there. I have played with MySQL, but ICBA transferring
the databases I currently use to it. Simple Access databases will open
and work in LO Base, though.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 3/4/2012 5:09 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 3/4/12 2:45 AM, John Williamson wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Ken Springer wrote:
I wish places like Micro Center and Best Buy would set up some Linux
machines, so consumers could have the opportunity to see and evaluate
3 OS's. Although I don't think, personally, that Linux is quite
ready for the general public from what little I've seen.

Linux has been in stores off and on for years. But the same thing always
happens, they finally get pulled from the shelves since they don't sell
well.

Two reasons I don't use Linux at the moment. There's a lack of hardware
support compared to Windows, and the interface seems to change every
time I look at it.

But this phenomenon is true regardless of the industry. The best selling/desired autos get the most 3rd party accessories. The most popular computer activity gets the most software choices, i.e. games vs. CAD.

As for the interface, there's only one basic "face" to Windows. But how many "faces" are there to Linux?

As a contrast, every peripheral I buy either comes with a Windows driver
disc, or is supported natively, and I haven't had to learn a new
interface since 2003.

But I see more and more Linux drivers available as time goes by.

What about cell phone interfaces?

Windows 7 is not the same as XP, but it's also not *that* different.

I've not looked at Windows 8 at all, but the comments I hear says it's very different.

I'm running it right now. It is different, but at least I'll give Microsoft
this much credit. At least I can get some things to work in Metro, but
I can't say the same for Unity. I just end up confused in Unity by
comparison.

On the first screen, there is still a "desktop" tile, and clicking that gets
you to the desktop. That will probably be missing on an ARM based tablet.

I had to laugh at the article I read today, explaining to people how to find
the "shutdown/restart" type stuff in Windows 8. I managed to find it OK,
without reading the article. It wasn't that hard (there's a good chance
you'll accidentally wander near the corners of the screen, and then it's
a dead giveaway). But I have to agree with the comments from the author
of that article, that it shouldn't be so hard to find. For any computer
phobes out there, that'll drive them crazy.

Another funny bit for you, is currently I double click the trash can,
so I can traverse the file system. I haven't located where the "Computer"
type entry is supposed to be. But by using the Trash can, I'm getting by.

I'm currently testing Thunderbird 10.0.2 in Windows 8, and my memory
usage varies between perhaps 88MB and 200MB. At this very instant,
usage is listed as 139.2MB, and I've "refreshed" the groups list in
the two servers I use (to pull as much stuff into RAM as possible).
So I haven't noticed any leak type behavior.

One problem I had, was transferring files between WinXP and Windows 8.
While the Windows 8 hard drive was slaved up to the computer, I transferred
over my Thunderbird profile. When I booted Windows 8, the folder was gone,
and I suspect that is some "junction point magic". Most annoying, as I
thought I was in my user folder. I don't know what other place in the
file system, would be "safe" for such a transfer. This time, I put the
folder on a USB stick, so I could finish the transfer. And eventually
got Thunderbird to reuse the old profile, after editing profile.ini.

It seems marginally slower than the Developer preview, but what do I know.
Maybe my expectations are too high...

Paul

Ken Springer wrote:
On 3/4/12 2:45 AM, John Williamson wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Ken Springer wrote:
I wish places like Micro Center and Best Buy would set up some Linux
machines, so consumers could have the opportunity to see and evaluate
3 OS's. Although I don't think, personally, that Linux is quite
ready for the general public from what little I've seen.

Linux has been in stores off and on for years. But the same thing always
happens, they finally get pulled from the shelves since they don't sell
well.

Two reasons I don't use Linux at the moment. There's a lack of hardware
support compared to Windows, and the interface seems to change every
time I look at it.

But this phenomenon is true regardless of the industry. The best
selling/desired autos get the most 3rd party accessories. The most
popular computer activity gets the most software choices, i.e. games vs.
CAD.

One of the least common "cars" is the Land Rover, and have you *seen*
the number of ways you can customise one of those? ;-)

But I deliberately mentioned Hardware support, not software support.
Hardware supported under Linux is a subset of hardware supported under
Windows.

As for the interface, there's only one basic "face" to Windows. But how
many "faces" are there to Linux?

Lots, but this may be a two edged sword. Somebody who's running Windows
and the core MS applications can get help from just about anywhere.
Someone running Linux first is almost forced to find someone running the
same distribution. Go from Debian to Ubuntu, and most of the settings
are in a different place, for instance.

When I set up a system for my Mother a while ago, I deliberately set it
up to use XP and Outlook Express for e-mail, because I knew she could
get help from her next door neighbour or the local computer store if
needed. Now, I'd use Windows 7. If I'd set it up using Linux for better
security and crash resistance, I would have been her only support option.

As a contrast, every peripheral I buy either comes with a Windows driver
disc, or is supported natively, and I haven't had to learn a new
interface since 2003.

But I see more and more Linux drivers available as time goes by.

Same with Windows. Linux has seemed to be at least a couple of years
behind Windows as far as drivers go for as long as I've been trying to
use it. I bought a printer/ scanner/ fax recently to replace one that
had failed, and it worked immediately in Windows once I'd run the
install program on the CD. Under Linux, I need to configure CUPS to get
it to print, SANE to get it to scan, and yet another subsystem to
persuade the fax modem to work. That brings back memories of installing
stuff under Windows 95, or even 3.11. It still wouldn't tell the
computer that it was running short of ink, either.

What about cell phone interfaces?

I can't get Linux to talk to my Windows based phones at all, and I've
not bothered trying to get it to talk to my Nokia. But as for user
ionterfaces, most of the basics are transferable from phone to phone.
All the touch screen phones I've seen are pretty similar, at least as
far as making calls go, and once you're using the facebook app or
whichever app you use for social networking, the app's interface
overrides the phone interface to a large extent. The Facebook/ Twitter
interface is functionally pretty similar even if you transfer from your
desktop computer to the mobile phone.

Windows 7 is not the same as XP, but it's also not *that* different.

I've not looked at Windows 8 at all, but the comments I hear says it's
very different.


They said the same about Windows 7 when it first came out. They also
said that Vista was the best marketing tool ever for Linux.

This seems to be turning into yet another Linux v. Windows thread...

On the other side, my website is hosted on a Linux server, and it seems
to be very happy there. I'm not sure I'd trust Windows to do as good a
job on it.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.