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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
On 1/15/2019 3:48 PM, John Corliss wrote:
"Up to three years of paid support will be available after the cut-off." Full article is he https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019...-free-support/ Everyone, keep a copy of the Win 7 ISO you are using! -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 ¤£*ɶU! ¤£¶BÄF! ¤£½ä¿ú! ¤£´©¥æ! ¤£¥´¥æ! ¤£¥´§T! ¤£¦Û±þ! ¤£¨D¯«! ½Ð¦Ò¼{ºî´© (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
In message , Mr. Man-wai
Chang writes: On 1/15/2019 3:48 PM, John Corliss wrote: "Up to three years of paid support will be available after the cut-off." Full article is he https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019...its-final-year -of-free-support/ Everyone, keep a copy of the Win 7 ISO you are using! Why? Images are so much better. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The early worm gets the bird. |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
On 1/15/2019 10:55 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mr. Man-wai Chang writes: On 1/15/2019 3:48 PM, John Corliss wrote: "Up to three years of paid support will be available after the cut-off." Full article is he https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019...its-final-year -of-free-support/ Everyone, keep a copy of the Win 7 ISO you are using! Why? Images are so much better. As many copies as possible, on as many storage media as possible! BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP! -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 ¤£*ɶU! ¤£¶BÄF! ¤£½ä¿ú! ¤£´©¥æ! ¤£¥´¥æ! ¤£¥´§T! ¤£¦Û±þ! ¤£¨D¯«! ½Ð¦Ò¼{ºî´© (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
On 2019-01-15, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Why? Images are so much better. Probably best to have both on hand. I notice that while 3 years of paid support is to be offered, there doesn't seem to be pricing listed anywhere. All I've been able to find so far is to contact Microsoft Sales, and that whatever the price is it will go up as time passes during the 3 year period. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
"Roger Blake" wrote
| I notice that while 3 years of paid support is to be offered, there | doesn't seem to be pricing listed anywhere. All I've been able to find so | far is to contact Microsoft Sales, and that whatever the price is it | will go up as time passes during the 3 year period. | With XP that was only for corporate customers. And it was wildly expensive. On the other hand XP patches for kiosk Windows are still released, as far as I know, and still installable with a Registry setting. Personally I'm happy with Win7 SP1, for the most part, but for people who are not, maybe the kiosk hack will also work with Win7. (If there are any Win7 kiosk installs. Maybe the ATMs are all still XP? |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
Roger Blake wrote:
I notice that while 3 years of paid support is to be offered, there doesn't seem to be pricing listed anywhere. ESU is only available for volume licencing customers running Win7 Pro or Win7 Enterprise |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:55:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Mr. Man-wai Chang writes: On 1/15/2019 3:48 PM, John Corliss wrote: "Up to three years of paid support will be available after the cut-off." Full article is he https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019...its-final-year -of-free-support/ Everyone, keep a copy of the Win 7 ISO you are using! Why? Images are so much better. I'd much rather have ISO files of the installation media and image files of the completed installation(s). |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:55:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Mr. Man-wai Chang writes: On 1/15/2019 3:48 PM, John Corliss wrote: "Up to three years of paid support will be available after the cut-off." Full article is he https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019...its-final-year -of-free-support/ Everyone, keep a copy of the Win 7 ISO you are using! Why? Images are so much better. I'd much rather have ISO files of the installation media and image files of the completed installation(s). Yep. Also, image files won't work on different hardwares. At least installers can reinstall from scratch to other supported hardwares. So, make backups of drive, datas (most important!), AND the installer files. -- Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.ma.cx. Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail. | |o o| | \ _ / ( ) |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
"Ant" wrote
| Yep. Also, image files won't work on different hardwares. They should, assuming the activation is not a problem. I haven't tried it with Win7, but with XP I've found that as long as IDE drivers are removed it's fine. I assumed 7 is probably easier, but maybe I shouldn't assume that. |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 1/15/2019 3:48 PM, John Corliss wrote: "Up to three years of paid support will be available after the cut-off." Full article is he https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019...-free-support/ Everyone, keep a copy of the Win 7 ISO you are using! How do you make an ISO copy if it came on the computer? No disk was included. -- G Ross |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-15 17:08, G Ross wrote: Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: On 1/15/2019 3:48 PM, John Corliss wrote: "Up to three years of paid support will be available after the cut-off." Full article is he https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019...-free-support/ Everyone, keep a copy of the Win 7 ISO you are using! How do you make an ISO copy if it came on the computer? No disk was included. Download one while you still can: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...nload/windows7 That's only for "Retail" windows. An OEM key won't pass the test, on the key entry page. However, this tool will bypass the key requirement. If you needed a "Windows 7 Home Premium" for your Dell, you could get it this way. And as long as you have the license key from the COA sticker, do a reinstall with your new disc. No key need be entered, to get an ISO download using this too. https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...-download-tool The Digital River era (where there were URLs pointing to direct downloads), that stopped some time ago. Paul |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
On 15/01/2019 21:34, Mayayana wrote:
"Ant" wrote | Yep. Also, image files won't work on different hardwares. They should, They might ... assuming the activation is not a problem. I haven't tried it with Win7, but with XP I've found that as long as IDE drivers are removed it's fine. I assumed 7 is probably easier, but maybe I shouldn't assume that. .... as in so much to do with Windows, it depends ... there now follows a lecture in how various recent versions of Windows boots. I'm more familiar with 2000/XP but, although details are different, everything I've seen of Vista+ seems pretty similar in general behaviour. First, a PC boots by loading the Master Boot Record (MBR) - with a traditional disk layout usually the first sector of 512 bytes - off the first hard disk in the boot order held in the BIOS, and runs the boot code it contains. This will normally read the partition table at the end of that MBR (but see below) and load the Partition Boot Record (PBR) - again normally the first sector - of the first active partition in the table. The code in that boot sector then loads the operating system (OS) contained in that partition in OS-specific way. From there Windows loads in two stages, the PBR loads a boot stage which then loads Windows proper. This was true of 2000/XP and is still true at least of 7, and I'm pretty sure suspect subsequent releases, because they all seem to have a Boot folder off root of the boot drive. For Windows to boot, you have to have the correct boot drivers for the hardware, and obviously these are installed at installation time. In 2000/XP, if these were fairly bog-standard, you could copy a build from one PC to another and there was a reasonable chance it would work, but if you imaged a build onto new hardware requiring different boot drivers, booting would stall with a famous 0x0000007b BSOD which means that the boot hardware it was expecting could not be found. The cure for a newly-imaged disk that had been copied rather than SysPrep'ed was to load it as an extra disk into a running version of Windows, which allowed you to load registry hives from the newly-imaged version temporarily into the registry of the running version and so correct the drivers, etc. It could be done sure enough, but it was terrible and error-prone hassle. However, if you had SysPrep available, then with some versions you could use its options to clear the PnP device tree and install new boot drivers, for which you needed some sort of installation media for the drivers. I have a page on my site which explains this method: http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/Wind...eBuilding.html Cross-imaged W7 also bombs, but with a screen prompting you to insert the W7 installation media to try a boot repair, which is much simpler and IME usually works, but of course, pertinently to the current discussion, the installation media is required. If it doesn't work, then there is also a SysPrep method which involves loading an imaged disk temporarily into a running version of Windows and copying drivers into it. Frankly, though, Windows booting always was and still is a pig's dinner and a pain ... For one thing, if you didn't have Windows installed on the first hard disk, you got the problem that MS boot sectors ignored the partition table on the disk from which they were loaded, and always loaded and read the partition table from the first hard disk in the system, thus failing to find a version of Windows on a second hard disk. You could get around the problem, but only by having Windows contaminate, perhaps corrupt would be a better description, the first active partition on the first hard disk by placing its boot files there, and therefore it had to be a partition type that Windows understood. Or else use GRUB. Next the boot files did and still do make the same mistake, and instead of looking for a Windows system in the same partition as themselves, they need to be told where to find it. So, as I discovered yesterday as it happens, if I transfer the CD-ROM/HardDrive adaptor containing the Windows XP partition disk from the CD-bay of my laptop to that of its docking station, and try to boot XP, I get the f*king BSOD mentioned above! Unfortunately more recent versions of Windows also behave in this dope-head manner. So, for example, there was quite a long thread here a year or two back begun by someone who ran a boot stage repair as described above, but without realising that the repair will always install the /Boot directory off the root of the first active partition on the first hard disk, which in his case happened to be D:, and he was wondering how to move it back to the C: drive where Windows was installed - the answer was to set C: to be the active partition, reboot, and then rerun the repair, which reinstalled /Boot on C:, leaving him free to delete the version on D:, but, f'cryin'outf*kingloud, wouldn't any normal human being of a programmer have given the user the option to set the active partition to the Windows partition before reinstalling the boot files?! Etc, etc, I'm fed up to the back teeth with such Windows idiocacies. Just now I'm trying to downgrade a W7 build from Ultimate to Home Premium without wasting the two months of installation, configuration, customisation, and testing that it took to make the original Ultimate build. If Windows was truly modular and Object-Orientated, it would be a simple thing to do, but Windows is such a steaming monolithic pile of sphagettified **** that it's almost impossible to do this. |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
In message , Java Jive
writes: [] Just now I'm trying to downgrade a W7 build from Ultimate to Home Why? (Just curious; not saying you shouldn't!) Premium without wasting the two months of installation, configuration, customisation, and testing that it took to make the original Ultimate build. If Windows was truly modular and Object-Orientated, it would be a simple thing to do, but Windows is such a steaming monolithic pile of sphagettified **** that it's almost impossible to do this. (-: -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The modern world so often thinks that the way to relax is by doing absolutely nothing, and I've never really understood that. Nigella Lawson in RT 2015/10/31-11/6 |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
Mayayana wrote:
"Ant" wrote | Yep. Also, image files won't work on different hardwares. They should, assuming the activation is not a problem. I haven't tried it with Win7, but with XP I've found that as long as IDE drivers are removed it's fine. I assumed 7 is probably easier, but maybe I shouldn't assume that. My experience is, the response to activation issues is quite variable. And could result in the OS simply locking up. ******* Win2K uses to support multiple hardware profiles, and if you requested to start a new profile, the profile "started empty". On WinXP, a second profile would start life as a "duplicate" of the first profile. That means, if you had a dock that your laptop plugged into, the second profile would have all the usual drivers, plus the NIC driver for the dock. WinXP didn't have the convenient feature of making an "empty" ENUM, because that would promote the idea of moving the OS between machines. Having these ENUM capabilities says nothing about bypassing activation, and activation is an ever-present threat. I have deleted ENUM on Windows 10 and then rebooted, and the OS quite nicely survives the loss of drivers and reinstalls them. So if your USB stuff happens to have problems (a USB stick doesn't work when it's plugged into just one particular USB port), you could in principle delete the entire ENUM and start over. In my test, the OS survived that. And if you want to move an OS to another machine, I find it best if the disk driver type happens to match. For example, if the old motherboard has an ICH5, there's a good chance the motherboard with the ICH6 will work, because of the similarities of the two. Whereas if you moved an OS to a motherboard with a VIA chipset (where the driver solutions are quite different), it might not work so well, and refuse to boot. If you do a "bounce" move, sometimes that will work. 1) Plug in a Promise Ultra133 PCI card. 2) Install the driver. 3) Move the drive over to that card. Boot it at least once that way, to verify it works. 4) Move both the disk drive *and* the Ultra133 card to the new PC. This guarantees the disk port driver is definitely in the OS, and it doesn't matter about any other details. Cable the disk drive to the Ultra133 as before. 5) Once the OS comes up, install any other drivers the new hardware needs. 6) Move the OS drive over to the motherboard port. Boot and test. 7) Shut down and remove the Ultra133 card. You only need the services of the Ultra133 card, long enough to complete the move. At step (4), you might be threatened with a 72 hour activation requirement. You will need to solve the activation issue, of moving the OS, within the 72 hour period. So while it takes 10 minutes to get to step (7), you can only use the OS for another 71 hours. Unless you're running a "Retail" windows that allows moves, or unless you haven't moved your "system builder OEM" for at least a year or two, in which case the activation server might allow the move. And no, I don't do enough of these to care one way or another. I've only moved WinXP the one time, to a new motherboard, so that's all the experience I have with this. The "ENUM test" on Windows 10, was just to see whether the same capability was still there (the ability to reset all hardware detections, not a means to beat activation as such). Paul |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
"Java Jive" wrote
| In 2000/XP, if these were fairly bog-standard, you could copy a build | from one PC to another and there was a reasonable chance it would work, | but if you imaged a build onto new hardware requiring different boot | drivers, booting would stall with a famous 0x0000007b BSOD which means | that the boot hardware it was expecting could not be found. I don't know what you mean by boot hardware. In my experience only IDE drivers have been a problem. The rest is mainly standard and Windows will use defaults until drivers can be installed for motherboard, audio, graphics, etc. | Next the boot files did and still do make the same mistake, and instead | of looking for a Windows system in the same partition as themselves, | they need to be told where to find it. So, as I discovered yesterday as | it happens, if I transfer the CD-ROM/HardDrive adaptor containing the | Windows XP partition disk from the CD-bay of my laptop to that of its | docking station, and try to boot XP, I get the f*king BSOD mentioned above! | You need to edit boot.ini, as you probably figured out. I've had good luck with imaging but there are things to know, and it helps to have good software. I've used BootIt for years, which images, edits boot config, partitions, multiboots, etc. There are other options with more handholding, for more money, like Acronis. I think part of the difficulty for many people is that they haven't figured out the details, get confused, then end up thinking that disk imaging means having a RAID-style backup. So when things go bad they have no real backup. But I agree that MS have done their best to thwart things. They keep changing boot config. They did that monstrous mess with Vista/7 where there can be a separate, small boot partition if you don't know enough to remove it. Lots of little gotchas. I assume Win8/10 is similar to Vista/7, and that 6/8/10 are all basically variations on Windows 6, with or without Metro tacked on. But I haven't done much with 8 and nothing with 10. |
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