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Tim
Don't get upset. This happens quite a bit and when it does just drop the thread and let the OP sort it out ( He will eventually re-read what you posted). This I can tell you since I learned that arguing or trying to convince an OP that posts here with an issue and then thinks he knows better than you (which seems to be the case here) what his issue is caused by and is adamant and stuck at a certain level is not worth it. I have been posting here (msnewsgroups) for over 15 yrs and it also took a while for me to do the same. -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "Tim Meddick" wrote in message ... Gene, You can say "Hey, Tim, you know what - YOU'RE WRONG" but fine, who hopes to be right all the time? There's a problem if I'm wrong MORE often that I'm right, but if you think that you're just being insulting because it's clearly NOT the case. I am eager to help and the theory that it was the cables was a valid one (that has not been totally disproved) and held by others in this thread. I didn't say a browser that was incapable of redirection (that would be mad) but that your browser had had redirection disabled. i.e YOUR browser was incapable of redirection. I have looked into this and discovered that I WAS rash in saying this and that redirection is not something that can be disabled (in IE at any rate) but I'm going to look further into this. I WAS ONLY TRYING TO HELP. I never said that it IS this or IS that but, I said that I thought is may be this and/or that and these are my thoughts on this. If you want to back bite people who are trying to be helpful and insult them then that's your right of free speech. However, don't expect that IF I happen to have the RIGHT answer for a future problem of yours, that I'll be first in the que. == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. wrote in message ... "Tim Meddick" wrote: Gene, But, at the risk of repeating myself, one more time. If, as you say, it is a left-over association to a device that is no longer attached WHY should the computer query that there is ANY device there when NONE is actually attached! There being NOTHING at the end of the cable no Wizard should be activated at all!! The state of the computer's hardware detection in the presence of a cable attached to NOTHING should be EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE EMPTY USB PORT! Nothing more to say. Disabling the Unknown Devices in Device Mgr, plugging in both cables and rebooting ended the hardware messages. See Rich's ideas earlier in this thread for why that might be the case. Here's the problem with your posts: With the strange happenings (redirection) in MS thread on Friday, you suggested my browser is incapable of redirecting without first asking which browser I'm using. Moreover, are there any browsers that are incapable of redirecting?? They'd be useless on the internet, since redirecting is standard. Then with this thread, you argued that the cables had to be shorted without first asking if they worked ok when devices were attached to them. Twice is a habit. They tell me you're eager to help, but in over your head. Gene |
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Tim
Don't get upset. This happens quite a bit and when it does just drop the thread and let the OP sort it out ( He will eventually re-read what you posted). This I can tell you since I learned that arguing or trying to convince an OP that posts here with an issue and then thinks he knows better than you (which seems to be the case here) what his issue is caused by and is adamant and stuck at a certain level is not worth it. I have been posting here (msnewsgroups) for over 15 yrs and it also took a while for me to do the same. -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "Tim Meddick" wrote in message ... Gene, You can say "Hey, Tim, you know what - YOU'RE WRONG" but fine, who hopes to be right all the time? There's a problem if I'm wrong MORE often that I'm right, but if you think that you're just being insulting because it's clearly NOT the case. I am eager to help and the theory that it was the cables was a valid one (that has not been totally disproved) and held by others in this thread. I didn't say a browser that was incapable of redirection (that would be mad) but that your browser had had redirection disabled. i.e YOUR browser was incapable of redirection. I have looked into this and discovered that I WAS rash in saying this and that redirection is not something that can be disabled (in IE at any rate) but I'm going to look further into this. I WAS ONLY TRYING TO HELP. I never said that it IS this or IS that but, I said that I thought is may be this and/or that and these are my thoughts on this. If you want to back bite people who are trying to be helpful and insult them then that's your right of free speech. However, don't expect that IF I happen to have the RIGHT answer for a future problem of yours, that I'll be first in the que. == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. wrote in message ... "Tim Meddick" wrote: Gene, But, at the risk of repeating myself, one more time. If, as you say, it is a left-over association to a device that is no longer attached WHY should the computer query that there is ANY device there when NONE is actually attached! There being NOTHING at the end of the cable no Wizard should be activated at all!! The state of the computer's hardware detection in the presence of a cable attached to NOTHING should be EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE EMPTY USB PORT! Nothing more to say. Disabling the Unknown Devices in Device Mgr, plugging in both cables and rebooting ended the hardware messages. See Rich's ideas earlier in this thread for why that might be the case. Here's the problem with your posts: With the strange happenings (redirection) in MS thread on Friday, you suggested my browser is incapable of redirecting without first asking which browser I'm using. Moreover, are there any browsers that are incapable of redirecting?? They'd be useless on the internet, since redirecting is standard. Then with this thread, you argued that the cables had to be shorted without first asking if they worked ok when devices were attached to them. Twice is a habit. They tell me you're eager to help, but in over your head. Gene |
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You just can't resist me, can you? I could have seen your reply coming with
my eyes closed. At least I can admit when I have something wrong which is more that you can say for some people. And it's got nothing at all to do with the subject - it's personal, you pestering me with your unwanted and acidulous comments. == Tim Meddick |
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You just can't resist me, can you? I could have seen your reply coming with
my eyes closed. At least I can admit when I have something wrong which is more that you can say for some people. And it's got nothing at all to do with the subject - it's personal, you pestering me with your unwanted and acidulous comments. == Tim Meddick |
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Peter,
I thank you, deeply for your comments. I had dropped the thread, I feel that, in my last post, I had said all that I had to. However, that Mike [Torello] stuck his nose in, as I should have know that he would (if you review the past months posts you'll see he seems to follow me around with his critique). He doesn't seem to be able to stop himself from commenting every time that I do get something wrong (and I do get stuff wrong, and am usually the first one to admit it). Why he feels it's his personal business to point and gloat when I have already listed my mistake, I don't know. I don't know what he's got against me but he sure can't resist telling me about it. So I fired one off back at him before I read your post. Which, by the way, would have calmed me down considerably. I don't knowwhy I let such rotten sports affect me so. They tell me that it's like a red rag to a bull when you show a nerve. But is that the way it should be? Your comments meant a lot, and I WILL try to rise above this sort of thing a little better in future. Thankyou again. == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. "Peter Foldes" wrote in message ... Tim Don't get upset. This happens quite a bit and when it does just drop the thread and let the OP sort it out ( He will eventually re-read what you posted). This I can tell you since I learned that arguing or trying to convince an OP that posts here with an issue and then thinks he knows better than you (which seems to be the case here) what his issue is caused by and is adamant and stuck at a certain level is not worth it. I have been posting here (msnewsgroups) for over 15 yrs and it also took a while for me to do the same. -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "Tim Meddick" wrote in message ... Gene, You can say "Hey, Tim, you know what - YOU'RE WRONG" but fine, who hopes to be right all the time? There's a problem if I'm wrong MORE often that I'm right, but if you think that you're just being insulting because it's clearly NOT the case. I am eager to help and the theory that it was the cables was a valid one (that has not been totally disproved) and held by others in this thread. I didn't say a browser that was incapable of redirection (that would be mad) but that your browser had had redirection disabled. i.e YOUR browser was incapable of redirection. I have looked into this and discovered that I WAS rash in saying this and that redirection is not something that can be disabled (in IE at any rate) but I'm going to look further into this. I WAS ONLY TRYING TO HELP. I never said that it IS this or IS that but, I said that I thought is may be this and/or that and these are my thoughts on this. If you want to back bite people who are trying to be helpful and insult them then that's your right of free speech. However, don't expect that IF I happen to have the RIGHT answer for a future problem of yours, that I'll be first in the que. == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. wrote in message ... "Tim Meddick" wrote: Gene, But, at the risk of repeating myself, one more time. If, as you say, it is a left-over association to a device that is no longer attached WHY should the computer query that there is ANY device there when NONE is actually attached! There being NOTHING at the end of the cable no Wizard should be activated at all!! The state of the computer's hardware detection in the presence of a cable attached to NOTHING should be EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE EMPTY USB PORT! Nothing more to say. Disabling the Unknown Devices in Device Mgr, plugging in both cables and rebooting ended the hardware messages. See Rich's ideas earlier in this thread for why that might be the case. Here's the problem with your posts: With the strange happenings (redirection) in MS thread on Friday, you suggested my browser is incapable of redirecting without first asking which browser I'm using. Moreover, are there any browsers that are incapable of redirecting?? They'd be useless on the internet, since redirecting is standard. Then with this thread, you argued that the cables had to be shorted without first asking if they worked ok when devices were attached to them. Twice is a habit. They tell me you're eager to help, but in over your head. Gene |
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Peter,
I thank you, deeply for your comments. I had dropped the thread, I feel that, in my last post, I had said all that I had to. However, that Mike [Torello] stuck his nose in, as I should have know that he would (if you review the past months posts you'll see he seems to follow me around with his critique). He doesn't seem to be able to stop himself from commenting every time that I do get something wrong (and I do get stuff wrong, and am usually the first one to admit it). Why he feels it's his personal business to point and gloat when I have already listed my mistake, I don't know. I don't know what he's got against me but he sure can't resist telling me about it. So I fired one off back at him before I read your post. Which, by the way, would have calmed me down considerably. I don't knowwhy I let such rotten sports affect me so. They tell me that it's like a red rag to a bull when you show a nerve. But is that the way it should be? Your comments meant a lot, and I WILL try to rise above this sort of thing a little better in future. Thankyou again. == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. "Peter Foldes" wrote in message ... Tim Don't get upset. This happens quite a bit and when it does just drop the thread and let the OP sort it out ( He will eventually re-read what you posted). This I can tell you since I learned that arguing or trying to convince an OP that posts here with an issue and then thinks he knows better than you (which seems to be the case here) what his issue is caused by and is adamant and stuck at a certain level is not worth it. I have been posting here (msnewsgroups) for over 15 yrs and it also took a while for me to do the same. -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "Tim Meddick" wrote in message ... Gene, You can say "Hey, Tim, you know what - YOU'RE WRONG" but fine, who hopes to be right all the time? There's a problem if I'm wrong MORE often that I'm right, but if you think that you're just being insulting because it's clearly NOT the case. I am eager to help and the theory that it was the cables was a valid one (that has not been totally disproved) and held by others in this thread. I didn't say a browser that was incapable of redirection (that would be mad) but that your browser had had redirection disabled. i.e YOUR browser was incapable of redirection. I have looked into this and discovered that I WAS rash in saying this and that redirection is not something that can be disabled (in IE at any rate) but I'm going to look further into this. I WAS ONLY TRYING TO HELP. I never said that it IS this or IS that but, I said that I thought is may be this and/or that and these are my thoughts on this. If you want to back bite people who are trying to be helpful and insult them then that's your right of free speech. However, don't expect that IF I happen to have the RIGHT answer for a future problem of yours, that I'll be first in the que. == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. wrote in message ... "Tim Meddick" wrote: Gene, But, at the risk of repeating myself, one more time. If, as you say, it is a left-over association to a device that is no longer attached WHY should the computer query that there is ANY device there when NONE is actually attached! There being NOTHING at the end of the cable no Wizard should be activated at all!! The state of the computer's hardware detection in the presence of a cable attached to NOTHING should be EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE EMPTY USB PORT! Nothing more to say. Disabling the Unknown Devices in Device Mgr, plugging in both cables and rebooting ended the hardware messages. See Rich's ideas earlier in this thread for why that might be the case. Here's the problem with your posts: With the strange happenings (redirection) in MS thread on Friday, you suggested my browser is incapable of redirecting without first asking which browser I'm using. Moreover, are there any browsers that are incapable of redirecting?? They'd be useless on the internet, since redirecting is standard. Then with this thread, you argued that the cables had to be shorted without first asking if they worked ok when devices were attached to them. Twice is a habit. They tell me you're eager to help, but in over your head. Gene |
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Tim Meddick wrote:
You just can't resist me, can you? I could have seen your reply coming with my eyes closed. At least I can admit when I have something wrong which is more that you can say for some people. And it's got nothing at all to do with the subject - it's personal, you pestering me with your unwanted and acidulous comments. == Tim Meddick April 9th: Unknown: "You say you LIKE to insult people. If that isn't mental instability, obnoxious behavior, what do you call it?" Torello: "Fun." Enough said. |
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Tim Meddick wrote:
You just can't resist me, can you? I could have seen your reply coming with my eyes closed. At least I can admit when I have something wrong which is more that you can say for some people. And it's got nothing at all to do with the subject - it's personal, you pestering me with your unwanted and acidulous comments. == Tim Meddick April 9th: Unknown: "You say you LIKE to insult people. If that isn't mental instability, obnoxious behavior, what do you call it?" Torello: "Fun." Enough said. |
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wrote in message ... wrote: Let me try that again. The USB ports are on the back of the computer under my desk, so I've kept the digital camera's USB-to-camera-port cable hooked up, with no camera attached most of the time. There's no camera software loaded (with the camera attached, AutoRun comes up). On computer boot, camera not attached, there's no Found Hardware or AutoRun notice; it's as if the cable isn't there. Now, hook to another USB port an extension cable, which is a male-to-female USB cable, 1 to 2 meters long in my case (Tim, these are quality cables). I use this type of cable for ease of downloading to a USB flash drive and as part of low-tech set up for converting VHS tapes to computer files. Again, no software necessarily associated with the cable. On computer boot, with the cable ported to the computer and nothing on the other end, the Found New Hardware Wizard box comes up, as well as the smaller one in the Tray. I cancel out of both and then let the Problem Occurred message clear or X it myself. Just to check, I unplugged the camera cable and attached the extension to that port. Same Hardware Wizard, etc., on rebooting. Every time. My questions are 1) Why are there different responses between the two cables? 2) Is there anything that can be done to stop the Found New Hardware notice from coming up each time? Gene OK, if I understand right, the problem is with either port, with an empty cable plugged in? But there is no problem after you disconnect the camera with the cable attached, after the computer has recognized the camera? But the newly plugged in empty camera cable and other empty extension cables cause the problem? Did you look inside the port with flashlight and magnifying glass to insure that the contacts are not bent together? (No specks of aluminum foil from candy wrappers bridging contacts? Some battery operated devices have a place to plug in an A/C power adapter, and inside the side wall of the port there is a micro switch that disconnects the battery when the plug is inserted. Do your USB ports have an inner side switch that lets the computer know if something is plugged in? In my USB ports, (on the front of the computer,) there are 4 electrical contacts on one side, which make contact with the 4 contacts of the plug; and there are 2 contacts on the other side of the ports, which apparently make contact/connection with the metal case of the plug. Wouldn't that serve the function of a switch, alerting the computer to the fact that something is plugged in, even though nothing is connected to the other end of the cable? If that is the case with the 2 contacts, you would need a special male plug for an extension cable without the normal metal case, but 2 matching contacts and 2 wires inside, connecting to the normal female port on the other end; and then the 2 contacts would not short together until an actual device is plugged into the cable. --Richard __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4073 (20090513) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
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wrote in message ... wrote: Let me try that again. The USB ports are on the back of the computer under my desk, so I've kept the digital camera's USB-to-camera-port cable hooked up, with no camera attached most of the time. There's no camera software loaded (with the camera attached, AutoRun comes up). On computer boot, camera not attached, there's no Found Hardware or AutoRun notice; it's as if the cable isn't there. Now, hook to another USB port an extension cable, which is a male-to-female USB cable, 1 to 2 meters long in my case (Tim, these are quality cables). I use this type of cable for ease of downloading to a USB flash drive and as part of low-tech set up for converting VHS tapes to computer files. Again, no software necessarily associated with the cable. On computer boot, with the cable ported to the computer and nothing on the other end, the Found New Hardware Wizard box comes up, as well as the smaller one in the Tray. I cancel out of both and then let the Problem Occurred message clear or X it myself. Just to check, I unplugged the camera cable and attached the extension to that port. Same Hardware Wizard, etc., on rebooting. Every time. My questions are 1) Why are there different responses between the two cables? 2) Is there anything that can be done to stop the Found New Hardware notice from coming up each time? Gene OK, if I understand right, the problem is with either port, with an empty cable plugged in? But there is no problem after you disconnect the camera with the cable attached, after the computer has recognized the camera? But the newly plugged in empty camera cable and other empty extension cables cause the problem? Did you look inside the port with flashlight and magnifying glass to insure that the contacts are not bent together? (No specks of aluminum foil from candy wrappers bridging contacts? Some battery operated devices have a place to plug in an A/C power adapter, and inside the side wall of the port there is a micro switch that disconnects the battery when the plug is inserted. Do your USB ports have an inner side switch that lets the computer know if something is plugged in? In my USB ports, (on the front of the computer,) there are 4 electrical contacts on one side, which make contact with the 4 contacts of the plug; and there are 2 contacts on the other side of the ports, which apparently make contact/connection with the metal case of the plug. Wouldn't that serve the function of a switch, alerting the computer to the fact that something is plugged in, even though nothing is connected to the other end of the cable? If that is the case with the 2 contacts, you would need a special male plug for an extension cable without the normal metal case, but 2 matching contacts and 2 wires inside, connecting to the normal female port on the other end; and then the 2 contacts would not short together until an actual device is plugged into the cable. --Richard __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4073 (20090513) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
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