Tablet battery question

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:01:59 +0000, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 12/03/2014 22:04, Metspitzer wrote:
I only use my tablet about 15 min at night before bed. If I put it in
sleep mode, it will remember the book I am reading and the page I am
on, but it uses about 5% of the battery.

If I turn it off completely, it doesn't seem to use any battery at
all, but I have to reselect the book I am reading (It does remember
the page number). (I know that the battery will drain anyway but it
takes a long time)

I am pretty sure the answer to this question is because it cost more,
but couldn't laptops and tablets store "place marks" on the same
technology as thumb drives? I also understand the programs that are
much more complicated than a book reader would take much more storage,
but I think in the case of a bookmark, this would be pretty cheap.


Turn off everything you don't need overnight which might consume battery
energy - WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS (if it's got one). With those things
turned on, it will be frequently looking for updates to Apps, looking
for other Bluetooth devices to pair with, and trying to work out where
in the world it is.

Others have mentioned Airplane mode - which will turn off at least some
of those things. If it doesn't turn them *all* off, go into settings and
do it manually.

[A better newsgroup in which to ask would have been comp.mobile.android]

Thanks for the newgroup link. There are so many dead news groups I
have quit trying to find new newsgroups. That one seems active.

On 3/13/2014 1:03 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:01:59 +0000, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 12/03/2014 22:04, Metspitzer wrote:
I only use my tablet about 15 min at night before bed. If I put it in
sleep mode, it will remember the book I am reading and the page I am
on, but it uses about 5% of the battery.

If I turn it off completely, it doesn't seem to use any battery at
all, but I have to reselect the book I am reading (It does remember
the page number). (I know that the battery will drain anyway but it
takes a long time)

I am pretty sure the answer to this question is because it cost more,
but couldn't laptops and tablets store "place marks" on the same
technology as thumb drives? I also understand the programs that are
much more complicated than a book reader would take much more storage,
but I think in the case of a bookmark, this would be pretty cheap.


Turn off everything you don't need overnight which might consume battery
energy - WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS (if it's got one). With those things
turned on, it will be frequently looking for updates to Apps, looking
for other Bluetooth devices to pair with, and trying to work out where
in the world it is.

Others have mentioned Airplane mode - which will turn off at least some
of those things. If it doesn't turn them *all* off, go into settings and
do it manually.

[A better newsgroup in which to ask would have been comp.mobile.android]

Thanks for the newgroup link. There are so many dead news groups I
have quit trying to find new newsgroups. That one seems active.

You know while I knew and have a great deal about Ni-Cads, NiMH,
Lithium, and lead acid batteries than I care to really know. And I can
make Lithium batteries last over 10 years easy.

Although the last few years I have realized just making them last as
long as you can might be counter productive. So now I am weighing how
long vs. how much use you get out of them. For example, making batteries
last longer than most people would believe possible isn't very useful if
you never actually use the battery for power anyway. And who cares how
long it lasts, really?

Now your tablet most likely use a Lithium battery. And say the worst
case that I have experience with is using one and draining it down to 0%
each day. I would expect getting about 6 months out of it before it
becomes worthless. Most people are not that hard on them and of course
would last much longer.

Now you are worried about losing 5% in standby mode. I dunno, per day is
my guess. Well you should easily beat that 6 month before it is
worthless. Although you should make two to four years easy at that rate.

Now I don't know what a replacement battery for yours cost. But if it is
like 10 to 20 bucks, well I think it is well worth it, don't you?

--
Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Pro

On 3/12/2014, Metspitzer posted:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:45:33 -0400, Paul wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 3/12/2014, Metspitzer posted:

SNIP

Actually it may be hibernate. I am not really sure what the
difference between sleep and hibernate is.

Sleep just stops the device from running while using power to keep
memory intact. However, in phones and tablets, sleep still runs a
number of background processes. If power goes away due to battery
drain, the contents of RAM are lost. When the device restarts,
everything starts for where it was left off, so long as power hadn't
been lost.

Hibernate is like sleep, but it saves the contents of RAM to a hard
drive. As I said, I don;t think that exists in tablets and phones.
Anyway, if the battery drains or other loss of power happens, the disk
file is used to refresh RAM on restart.

My tablet is an Acer 810. There is not a lot of documentation. As
far as I know, I can do two things. Just walk away from it and it
will go off in a few min or I can press and hold on/off switch for 5
seconds and it goes off.

There are three options. Add this: quick press of the power button and
it goes into sleep mode. And correct your "walk away" option to read
that it goes into sleep mode, not power off mode.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 13:25:53 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

On 3/13/2014 1:03 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:01:59 +0000, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 12/03/2014 22:04, Metspitzer wrote:
I only use my tablet about 15 min at night before bed. If I put it in
sleep mode, it will remember the book I am reading and the page I am
on, but it uses about 5% of the battery.

If I turn it off completely, it doesn't seem to use any battery at
all, but I have to reselect the book I am reading (It does remember
the page number). (I know that the battery will drain anyway but it
takes a long time)

I am pretty sure the answer to this question is because it cost more,
but couldn't laptops and tablets store "place marks" on the same
technology as thumb drives? I also understand the programs that are
much more complicated than a book reader would take much more storage,
but I think in the case of a bookmark, this would be pretty cheap.


Turn off everything you don't need overnight which might consume battery
energy - WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS (if it's got one). With those things
turned on, it will be frequently looking for updates to Apps, looking
for other Bluetooth devices to pair with, and trying to work out where
in the world it is.

Others have mentioned Airplane mode - which will turn off at least some
of those things. If it doesn't turn them *all* off, go into settings and
do it manually.

[A better newsgroup in which to ask would have been comp.mobile.android]

Thanks for the newgroup link. There are so many dead news groups I
have quit trying to find new newsgroups. That one seems active.

You know while I knew and have a great deal about Ni-Cads, NiMH,
Lithium, and lead acid batteries than I care to really know. And I can
make Lithium batteries last over 10 years easy.

Although the last few years I have realized just making them last as
long as you can might be counter productive. So now I am weighing how
long vs. how much use you get out of them. For example, making batteries
last longer than most people would believe possible isn't very useful if
you never actually use the battery for power anyway. And who cares how
long it lasts, really?

Now your tablet most likely use a Lithium battery. And say the worst
case that I have experience with is using one and draining it down to 0%
each day. I would expect getting about 6 months out of it before it
becomes worthless. Most people are not that hard on them and of course
would last much longer.

Now you are worried about losing 5% in standby mode. I dunno, per day is
my guess. Well you should easily beat that 6 month before it is
worthless. Although you should make two to four years easy at that rate.

Now I don't know what a replacement battery for yours cost. But if it is
like 10 to 20 bucks, well I think it is well worth it, don't you?

The main reason I want to save battery life is so I don't have to
screw with charging it.

BTW I do turn off WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS.

On 3/13/2014, Gene E. Bloch posted:
everything starts for where it was left off

everything starts *from* where it was left off

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 3/12/2014, Metspitzer posted:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:52:28 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 3/12/2014, Metspitzer posted:
I only use my tablet about 15 min at night before bed. If I put it
in sleep mode, it will remember the book I am reading and the page
I am on, but it uses about 5% of the battery.
If I turn it off completely, it doesn't seem to use any battery at
all, but I have to reselect the book I am reading (It does remember
the page number). (I know that the battery will drain anyway but
it takes a long time)

I am pretty sure the answer to this question is because it cost
more, but couldn't laptops and tablets store "place marks" on the
same technology as thumb drives? I also understand the programs
that are much more complicated than a book reader would take much
more storage, but I think in the case of a bookmark, this would be
pretty cheap.

You'll have to talk to the developers who make the programs you wish
changed. We can't do anything here other than express opinions.

Who knows, you might eventually see a few relevant (or not) opinions
in this thread :-)

I know I am not going to get anything changed here, but other than
here, I have no one to talk to about technology. I worked 20 years
as an electrician and even with electricians as co workers, I still
had very few people to talk to about computers. I am sure that has
changed now, but when I retired in 2000 very few electricians were
into computers.

Did you notice my reply to Paul's remarks? I had misinterpreted your
question. My bad.

But much of what I said is true.

Anyway, there's lots of info happening in this thread...

And what the heck, keep up the good fight...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 3/12/2014, Metspitzer posted:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:57:04 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 18:04:39 -0400, Metspitzer wrote:
I only use my tablet about 15 min at night before bed. If I put it
in sleep mode, it will remember the book I am reading and the page
I am on, but it uses about 5% of the battery.


I've noticed something similar with my Kindle Fire HDX. Putting it
into airplane mode cured the problem.

I hypothesize that in "sleep" mode it's still actually running. And
if it has a wireless connection, it keeps trying to update stuff.

I now routinely keep it in airplane mode, except when updating on-
device content once a day, or of course when streaming a video.

I have seen an option for airplane mode, since I wasn't flying at the
time I have always just ignored that option. Maybe I will give that
one a shot.

Thanks

Some Android devices have some automation that will selectively turn
off things like GPS and WiFi. You set up a table or something like that
to say things like

Turn WiFi off between midnight and 8am when device is not moving

They are set up to choose criteria and actions by clicking on icons, so
it's much easier than writing a program in text mode.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:45:42 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 3/12/2014, Metspitzer posted:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:45:33 -0400, Paul wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 3/12/2014, Metspitzer posted:

SNIP

Actually it may be hibernate. I am not really sure what the
difference between sleep and hibernate is.

Sleep just stops the device from running while using power to keep
memory intact. However, in phones and tablets, sleep still runs a
number of background processes. If power goes away due to battery
drain, the contents of RAM are lost. When the device restarts,
everything starts for where it was left off, so long as power hadn't
been lost.

Hibernate is like sleep, but it saves the contents of RAM to a hard
drive. As I said, I don;t think that exists in tablets and phones.
Anyway, if the battery drains or other loss of power happens, the disk
file is used to refresh RAM on restart.

My tablet is an Acer 810. There is not a lot of documentation. As
far as I know, I can do two things. Just walk away from it and it
will go off in a few min or I can press and hold on/off switch for 5
seconds and it goes off.

There are three options. Add this: quick press of the power button and
it goes into sleep mode. And correct your "walk away" option to read
that it goes into sleep mode, not power off mode.

Thanks

On 3/13/2014 1:46 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 13:25:53 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

On 3/13/2014 1:03 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:01:59 +0000, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 12/03/2014 22:04, Metspitzer wrote:
I only use my tablet about 15 min at night before bed. If I put it in
sleep mode, it will remember the book I am reading and the page I am
on, but it uses about 5% of the battery.

If I turn it off completely, it doesn't seem to use any battery at
all, but I have to reselect the book I am reading (It does remember
the page number). (I know that the battery will drain anyway but it
takes a long time)

I am pretty sure the answer to this question is because it cost more,
but couldn't laptops and tablets store "place marks" on the same
technology as thumb drives? I also understand the programs that are
much more complicated than a book reader would take much more storage,
but I think in the case of a bookmark, this would be pretty cheap.


Turn off everything you don't need overnight which might consume battery
energy - WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS (if it's got one). With those things
turned on, it will be frequently looking for updates to Apps, looking
for other Bluetooth devices to pair with, and trying to work out where
in the world it is.

Others have mentioned Airplane mode - which will turn off at least some
of those things. If it doesn't turn them *all* off, go into settings and
do it manually.

[A better newsgroup in which to ask would have been comp.mobile.android]

Thanks for the newgroup link. There are so many dead news groups I
have quit trying to find new newsgroups. That one seems active.

You know while I knew and have a great deal about Ni-Cads, NiMH,
Lithium, and lead acid batteries than I care to really know. And I can
make Lithium batteries last over 10 years easy.

Although the last few years I have realized just making them last as
long as you can might be counter productive. So now I am weighing how
long vs. how much use you get out of them. For example, making batteries
last longer than most people would believe possible isn't very useful if
you never actually use the battery for power anyway. And who cares how
long it lasts, really?

Now your tablet most likely use a Lithium battery. And say the worst
case that I have experience with is using one and draining it down to 0%
each day. I would expect getting about 6 months out of it before it
becomes worthless. Most people are not that hard on them and of course
would last much longer.

Now you are worried about losing 5% in standby mode. I dunno, per day is
my guess. Well you should easily beat that 6 month before it is
worthless. Although you should make two to four years easy at that rate.

Now I don't know what a replacement battery for yours cost. But if it is
like 10 to 20 bucks, well I think it is well worth it, don't you?

The main reason I want to save battery life is so I don't have to
screw with charging it.

BTW I do turn off WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS.

They sell battery packs that replaces changing of devices that use USB
to change with. That would keep it recharged if not near a charger.
These battery packs can be recharged. I don't know if yours can recharge
from USB, some do and some doesn't.

--
Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Pro

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 14:19:06 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

On 3/13/2014 1:46 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 13:25:53 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

On 3/13/2014 1:03 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:01:59 +0000, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 12/03/2014 22:04, Metspitzer wrote:
I only use my tablet about 15 min at night before bed. If I put it in
sleep mode, it will remember the book I am reading and the page I am
on, but it uses about 5% of the battery.

If I turn it off completely, it doesn't seem to use any battery at
all, but I have to reselect the book I am reading (It does remember
the page number). (I know that the battery will drain anyway but it
takes a long time)

I am pretty sure the answer to this question is because it cost more,
but couldn't laptops and tablets store "place marks" on the same
technology as thumb drives? I also understand the programs that are
much more complicated than a book reader would take much more storage,
but I think in the case of a bookmark, this would be pretty cheap.


Turn off everything you don't need overnight which might consume battery
energy - WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS (if it's got one). With those things
turned on, it will be frequently looking for updates to Apps, looking
for other Bluetooth devices to pair with, and trying to work out where
in the world it is.

Others have mentioned Airplane mode - which will turn off at least some
of those things. If it doesn't turn them *all* off, go into settings and
do it manually.

[A better newsgroup in which to ask would have been comp.mobile.android]

Thanks for the newgroup link. There are so many dead news groups I
have quit trying to find new newsgroups. That one seems active.

You know while I knew and have a great deal about Ni-Cads, NiMH,
Lithium, and lead acid batteries than I care to really know. And I can
make Lithium batteries last over 10 years easy.

Although the last few years I have realized just making them last as
long as you can might be counter productive. So now I am weighing how
long vs. how much use you get out of them. For example, making batteries
last longer than most people would believe possible isn't very useful if
you never actually use the battery for power anyway. And who cares how
long it lasts, really?

Now your tablet most likely use a Lithium battery. And say the worst
case that I have experience with is using one and draining it down to 0%
each day. I would expect getting about 6 months out of it before it
becomes worthless. Most people are not that hard on them and of course
would last much longer.

Now you are worried about losing 5% in standby mode. I dunno, per day is
my guess. Well you should easily beat that 6 month before it is
worthless. Although you should make two to four years easy at that rate.

Now I don't know what a replacement battery for yours cost. But if it is
like 10 to 20 bucks, well I think it is well worth it, don't you?

The main reason I want to save battery life is so I don't have to
screw with charging it.

BTW I do turn off WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS.

They sell battery packs that replaces changing of devices that use USB
to change with. That would keep it recharged if not near a charger.
These battery packs can be recharged. I don't know if yours can recharge
from USB, some do and some doesn't.

I have one actually. It is not too handy to use in bed. I do plan on
using it next time I am in the hospital. I also carry it to doctor's
visits.

http://www.amazon.com/Maxboost-Elect.../dp/B00C13YSIO

I did have two doctors visits one day that were spaced a long time
apart and different buildings (different parking decks). Since the
time between visits was so long, I went shopping for a little while
and then parked in a McDonalds parking lot to use their WiFi. (and
the battery pack)

I sat in the parking lot for around 2 hours. I did manage to drain my
car battery listing to the radio. Lucky I also keep one of these in
the trunk.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Decker...-/201048453465

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 14:19:06 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

Dell Latitude Slate Tablet

BTW I noticed your tag line. My tablet is a 7" I got it free with
credit card points. I really like a tablet better than a laptop, but
I like a desktop much better than either of those choices. I also
think I like Android better than Windows (Heresy) for a tablet, but I
have never used a Windows tablet.

If I bought a tablet, it would be a very hard choice to have to make
between a 7 and a 10. I went large with a laptop, but the big
advantage of a tablet is that it is small.

Metspitzer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:45:42 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 3/12/2014, Metspitzer posted:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:45:33 -0400, Paul wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 3/12/2014, Metspitzer posted:
SNIP

Actually it may be hibernate. I am not really sure what the
difference between sleep and hibernate is.
Sleep just stops the device from running while using power to keep
memory intact. However, in phones and tablets, sleep still runs a
number of background processes. If power goes away due to battery
drain, the contents of RAM are lost. When the device restarts,
everything starts for where it was left off, so long as power hadn't
been lost.

Hibernate is like sleep, but it saves the contents of RAM to a hard
drive. As I said, I don;t think that exists in tablets and phones.
Anyway, if the battery drains or other loss of power happens, the disk
file is used to refresh RAM on restart.

My tablet is an Acer 810. There is not a lot of documentation. As
far as I know, I can do two things. Just walk away from it and it
will go off in a few min or I can press and hold on/off switch for 5
seconds and it goes off.
There are three options. Add this: quick press of the power button and
it goes into sleep mode. And correct your "walk away" option to read
that it goes into sleep mode, not power off mode.

Thanks

DO you know whether your Iconia supports two quick presses
in succession on the power button ? To go into Deep Sleep.

Paul

On 3/13/2014 2:41 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 14:19:06 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

On 3/13/2014 1:46 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 13:25:53 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

On 3/13/2014 1:03 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:01:59 +0000, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 12/03/2014 22:04, Metspitzer wrote:
I only use my tablet about 15 min at night before bed. If I put it in
sleep mode, it will remember the book I am reading and the page I am
on, but it uses about 5% of the battery.

If I turn it off completely, it doesn't seem to use any battery at
all, but I have to reselect the book I am reading (It does remember
the page number). (I know that the battery will drain anyway but it
takes a long time)

I am pretty sure the answer to this question is because it cost more,
but couldn't laptops and tablets store "place marks" on the same
technology as thumb drives? I also understand the programs that are
much more complicated than a book reader would take much more storage,
but I think in the case of a bookmark, this would be pretty cheap.


Turn off everything you don't need overnight which might consume battery
energy - WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS (if it's got one). With those things
turned on, it will be frequently looking for updates to Apps, looking
for other Bluetooth devices to pair with, and trying to work out where
in the world it is.

Others have mentioned Airplane mode - which will turn off at least some
of those things. If it doesn't turn them *all* off, go into settings and
do it manually.

[A better newsgroup in which to ask would have been comp.mobile.android]

Thanks for the newgroup link. There are so many dead news groups I
have quit trying to find new newsgroups. That one seems active.

You know while I knew and have a great deal about Ni-Cads, NiMH,
Lithium, and lead acid batteries than I care to really know. And I can
make Lithium batteries last over 10 years easy.

Although the last few years I have realized just making them last as
long as you can might be counter productive. So now I am weighing how
long vs. how much use you get out of them. For example, making batteries
last longer than most people would believe possible isn't very useful if
you never actually use the battery for power anyway. And who cares how
long it lasts, really?

Now your tablet most likely use a Lithium battery. And say the worst
case that I have experience with is using one and draining it down to 0%
each day. I would expect getting about 6 months out of it before it
becomes worthless. Most people are not that hard on them and of course
would last much longer.

Now you are worried about losing 5% in standby mode. I dunno, per day is
my guess. Well you should easily beat that 6 month before it is
worthless. Although you should make two to four years easy at that rate.

Now I don't know what a replacement battery for yours cost. But if it is
like 10 to 20 bucks, well I think it is well worth it, don't you?

The main reason I want to save battery life is so I don't have to
screw with charging it.

BTW I do turn off WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS.

They sell battery packs that replaces changing of devices that use USB
to change with. That would keep it recharged if not near a charger.
These battery packs can be recharged. I don't know if yours can recharge
from USB, some do and some doesn't.

I have one actually. It is not too handy to use in bed. I do plan on
using it next time I am in the hospital. I also carry it to doctor's
visits.

http://www.amazon.com/Maxboost-Elect.../dp/B00C13YSIO

I did have two doctors visits one day that were spaced a long time
apart and different buildings (different parking decks). Since the
time between visits was so long, I went shopping for a little while
and then parked in a McDonalds parking lot to use their WiFi. (and
the battery pack)

Oh wow! I have been looking at these for years, but I wasn't looking for
one this good. I never bought one since I have plenty of machines anyway
to switch to. But dang, that one looks sweet! :-)

I sat in the parking lot for around 2 hours. I did manage to drain my
car battery listing to the radio. Lucky I also keep one of these in
the trunk.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Decker...-/201048453465

Wow that one looks sharp, don't know the specs on that one. But I bought
two of those 10 years ago and one of the chargers stuck (these was
suppose to kick off charge when it was finished), but it stayed on and
cooked the battery.

The second one never failed and I still use it today to start lots of
things (that thing has saved my bacon than more times than I want to
recall). Although ten years worth out of one of these batteries are
pretty rare. I would guess, one of these days it is going to fail me. I
guess I better start looking for a replacement before that happens. ;-)

--
Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Pro

On 3/13/2014 2:58 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 14:19:06 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

Dell Latitude Slate Tablet

BTW I noticed your tag line. My tablet is a 7" I got it free with
credit card points. I really like a tablet better than a laptop, but
I like a desktop much better than either of those choices. I also
think I like Android better than Windows (Heresy) for a tablet, but I
have never used a Windows tablet.

If I bought a tablet, it would be a very hard choice to have to make
between a 7 and a 10. I went large with a laptop, but the big
advantage of a tablet is that it is small.

Oh man! That brings up all kinds of things. I have 4, 7, 10, and 12 inch
tablets. My sig changes by the way depending on the machine I am
currently on. And my first laptop was back in '84 with an Epson PX-8.
And all the way till 2005, laptops couldn't match a desktop machine
IMHO. Then came laptops that could like my Alienware gaming laptops and
such. Now I was sold. Got rid of all of my desktops and went all laptops.

Then netbook came out in 2007 with the Asus EeePC 700 series (7 inch). I
bought a bunch of them for light duty tasks. I was so impressed, I did a
test and only used one as my only machine for two months. It did really
well as long as you didn't push it very hard. I was nonetheless very
impressed.

I used the Palm tablets (all pocket tablets) since 2001. I still like
them a lot and the newer ones can be MP3 players, play videos, etc. Plus
keep notes, appointments, etc. But that is all I knew about tablets
until 2012.

Bought an Android 4.3 inch v4 and it is ok and all. Kind of small for
the web though and can't do a lot of things one does under Windows (I
just ordered a 7 inch Android). Also it does MP3 and videos too just as
well as the Palms. Palm browser is terrible by the way. If you like text
only, it is just bearable.

Then I bought two of these Dell Latitude ST 10 inch tablets. They came
with Windows 7 Pro. One I upgraded to Windows 8 (this one). Soon I got
very curious about earlier Windows tablets. And I purchased two Windows
3.1 tablets and six Windows XP tablets (one I upgraded to Windows 7 and
another to Windows 8). So I now know what 3.1 to 8 Windows tablets are
like now.

--
Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Pro

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:02:29 -0400, Paul wrote:

Metspitzer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:45:42 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 3/12/2014, Metspitzer posted:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:45:33 -0400, Paul wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 3/12/2014, Metspitzer posted:
SNIP

Actually it may be hibernate. I am not really sure what the
difference between sleep and hibernate is.
Sleep just stops the device from running while using power to keep
memory intact. However, in phones and tablets, sleep still runs a
number of background processes. If power goes away due to battery
drain, the contents of RAM are lost. When the device restarts,
everything starts for where it was left off, so long as power hadn't
been lost.

Hibernate is like sleep, but it saves the contents of RAM to a hard
drive. As I said, I don;t think that exists in tablets and phones.
Anyway, if the battery drains or other loss of power happens, the disk
file is used to refresh RAM on restart.

My tablet is an Acer 810. There is not a lot of documentation. As
far as I know, I can do two things. Just walk away from it and it
will go off in a few min or I can press and hold on/off switch for 5
seconds and it goes off.
There are three options. Add this: quick press of the power button and
it goes into sleep mode. And correct your "walk away" option to read
that it goes into sleep mode, not power off mode.

Thanks

DO you know whether your Iconia supports two quick presses
in succession on the power button ? To go into Deep Sleep.

Paul

No I did not.
Thank you.