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Is anyone here using Gmail in a browser?
I've used my Gmail account for years now with a client program. But recently I decided to have a look at the Gmail app in Chrome. The window is riddled with an overwhelming amount of icons and graphical artifacts. But most annoying is the date format of the messages. Why are the hiding the year digits? How can I get them back for ALL messages? Or do americans think it will allways remain 2018?? I want displayed dd-mm-yyyy everywhere, without any hiding of any parts. The second annoyance: how do I get rid of the automatic 'read' marking? I allways read a message more than once, and want to control the 'read' marking ONLY MANUALLY, after having replied the message. I dont need any interference from google. I'm sure I wil stumble upon more annoyances, but for now I would be very happy to have solutions for these two issues. best regards, -- |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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On 07/10/2018 20:32, Linea Recta wrote:
Is anyone here using Gmail in a browser? Yes. Firefox is my browser for it. I use Basic HTML format. No " /overwhelming amount of icons and graphical artifacts /" here. -- With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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Linea Recta wrote:
Is anyone here using Gmail in a browser? I've used my Gmail account for years now with a client program. But recently I decided to have a look at the Gmail app in Chrome. The window is riddled with an overwhelming amount of icons and graphical artifacts. But most annoying is the date format of the messages. Why are the hiding the year digits? How can I get them back for ALL messages? Or do americans think it will allways remain 2018?? I want displayed dd-mm-yyyy everywhere, without any hiding of any parts. The second annoyance: how do I get rid of the automatic 'read' marking? I allways read a message more than once, and want to control the 'read' marking ONLY MANUALLY, after having replied the message. I dont need any interference from google. I'm sure I wil stumble upon more annoyances, but for now I would be very happy to have solutions for these two issues. best regards, Google has used their own datestamp string for quite awhile. They will show something as xx minutes old, a day-of-the-week, a month-day when within the current year, or a month-day-year datestamp when older. Google created a new layout for their webmail client. For awhile, users that want to be unpaid beta testers could switch to the new layout, or switch back to the classic layout. Google removed the option to switch back to Classic, I think, sometime around September. They moved forward to the new layout and are not going to support multiple layouts. Continue using your local e-mail client if you don't want to learn, use, or bother with the new webmail client's layout. I rarely use any webmail client and instead use a local e-mail client. |
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"VanguardLH" schreef in bericht
... Linea Recta wrote: Is anyone here using Gmail in a browser? I've used my Gmail account for years now with a client program. But recently I decided to have a look at the Gmail app in Chrome. The window is riddled with an overwhelming amount of icons and graphical artifacts. But most annoying is the date format of the messages. Why are the hiding the year digits? How can I get them back for ALL messages? Or do americans think it will allways remain 2018?? I want displayed dd-mm-yyyy everywhere, without any hiding of any parts. The second annoyance: how do I get rid of the automatic 'read' marking? I allways read a message more than once, and want to control the 'read' marking ONLY MANUALLY, after having replied the message. I dont need any interference from google. I'm sure I wil stumble upon more annoyances, but for now I would be very happy to have solutions for these two issues. best regards, Google has used their own datestamp string for quite awhile. They will show something as xx minutes old, a day-of-the-week, a month-day when within the current year, or a month-day-year datestamp when older. Google created a new layout for their webmail client. For awhile, users that want to be unpaid beta testers could switch to the new layout, or switch back to the classic layout. Google removed the option to switch back to Classic, I think, sometime around September. They moved forward to the new layout and are not going to support multiple layouts. Continue using your local e-mail client if you don't want to learn, use, or bother with the new webmail client's layout. I rarely use any webmail client and instead use a local e-mail client. Thanks. Disappointing they seem to have abandonrd the common sense options... -- |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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"Linea Recta" on Mon, 8 Oct 2018 17:36:35
+0200 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: Thanks. Disappointing they seem to have abandonrd the common sense options... It is Google. They will decide what is common sense, and make you use it. Whether it works for you or not. E.G., what they did with Google Groups has made the archives impossible to search. Which is not a good look for a Company which started as "search" engine. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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In message , pyotr
filipivich writes: "Linea Recta" on Mon, 8 Oct 2018 17:36:35 +0200 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: Thanks. Disappointing they seem to have abandonrd the common sense options... It is Google. They will decide what is common sense, and make you use it. Whether it works for you or not. E.G., what they did with Google Groups has made the archives impossible to search. Which is not a good look for a Company which started as "search" engine. I don't know what they've done to GG as I don't use it, but it certainly seems they've made some of the archive contents appear in search results - but in such a way that the person finding them doesn't realise they're a newsgroup post, in fact in all likelihood doesn't know what usenet is. They've also made the user interface in such a way that anyone attempting to respond to such a posting (a) doesn't realise the posting is ten or twenty years old (b) thinks they're responding with a private email to the original poster, rather than a post to a newsgroup. This seems to be particularly the case for people with @gmail addresses: I'm not saying anything about such people, more that Google seem to have set things up such that they in particular are liable to be misled in this way. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf .... the greatest musical festival in the world that doesn't involve mud. - Eddie Mair, RT 2014/8/16-22 |
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Linea Recta wrote:
Is anyone here using Gmail in a browser? I've used my Gmail account for years now with a client program. But recently I decided to have a look at the Gmail app in Chrome. The window is riddled with an overwhelming amount of icons and graphical artifacts. But most annoying is the date format of the messages. Why are the hiding the year digits? How can I get them back for ALL messages? Or do americans think it will allways remain 2018?? I want displayed dd-mm-yyyy everywhere, without any hiding of any parts. The second annoyance: how do I get rid of the automatic 'read' marking? I allways read a message more than once, and want to control the 'read' marking ONLY MANUALLY, after having replied the message. I dont need any interference from google. I'm sure I wil stumble upon more annoyances, but for now I would be very happy to have solutions for these two issues. best regards, If you don't like the Gmail app in Chrome [1] and have used a normal e-mail client before, then why don't you just use that? I.e. what's wrong with your current e-mail client (I assume that's Windows Mail, i.e. the same you use for NetNews/Usenet)? [1] I.e. not (just) Gmail in a browser, which you could use on any 'foreign' computer, but Gmail app in Chrome, which you probably cannot use on any 'foreign' computer, because it probably will/might not allow you to install apps. |
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On 10/08/2018 01:25 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Linea Recta wrote: Is anyone here using Gmail in a browser? I've used my Gmail account for years now with a client program. But recently I decided to have a look at the Gmail app in Chrome. The window is riddled with an overwhelming amount of icons and graphical artifacts. But most annoying is the date format of the messages. Why are the hiding the year digits? How can I get them back for ALL messages? Or do americans think it will allways remain 2018?? I want displayed dd-mm-yyyy everywhere, without any hiding of any parts. The second annoyance: how do I get rid of the automatic 'read' marking? I allways read a message more than once, and want to control the 'read' marking ONLY MANUALLY, after having replied the message. I dont need any interference from google. I'm sure I wil stumble upon more annoyances, but for now I would be very happy to have solutions for these two issues. best regards, If you don't like the Gmail app in Chrome [1] and have used a normal e-mail client before, then why don't you just use that? I.e. what's wrong with your current e-mail client (I assume that's Windows Mail, i.e. the same you use for NetNews/Usenet)? [1] I.e. not (just) Gmail in a browser, which you could use on any 'foreign' computer, but Gmail app in Chrome, which you probably cannot use on any 'foreign' computer, because it probably will/might not allow you to install apps. The mail app that is under "apps" button on my bookmarks bar that opens a apps page in chrome, just opens the mail.google.com web mail again. It's really not an app, just a link to the webmail. |
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Linea Recta wrote:
VanguardLH ... Linea Recta wrote: Is anyone here using Gmail in a browser? I've used my Gmail account for years now with a client program. But recently I decided to have a look at the Gmail app in Chrome. The window is riddled with an overwhelming amount of icons and graphical artifacts. But most annoying is the date format of the messages. Why are the hiding the year digits? How can I get them back for ALL messages? Or do americans think it will allways remain 2018?? I want displayed dd-mm-yyyy everywhere, without any hiding of any parts. The second annoyance: how do I get rid of the automatic 'read' marking? I allways read a message more than once, and want to control the 'read' marking ONLY MANUALLY, after having replied the message. I dont need any interference from google. I'm sure I wil stumble upon more annoyances, but for now I would be very happy to have solutions for these two issues. best regards, Google has used their own datestamp string for quite awhile. They will show something as xx minutes old, a day-of-the-week, a month-day when within the current year, or a month-day-year datestamp when older. Google created a new layout for their webmail client. For awhile, users that want to be unpaid beta testers could switch to the new layout, or switch back to the classic layout. Google removed the option to switch back to Classic, I think, sometime around September. They moved forward to the new layout and are not going to support multiple layouts. Continue using your local e-mail client if you don't want to learn, use, or bother with the new webmail client's layout. I rarely use any webmail client and instead use a local e-mail client. Disappointing they seem to have abandonrd the common sense options... Google probably saw or knew that Microsoft was going to change their webmail client's layout (to make it more similar to their Outlook local e-mail client), so they did the same and updated their webmail client. I don't a lot of change. There is still the folders pane on the left with its More link. Instead of a white-on-red square button at the top left for Compose, there's now a rounded Compose button now. Above that is what looks like a menu button but what it really does is squash the folders pane to give more room to the mail/header list pane; however, when you hover the mouse over a folder, it expands temporarily so you can see the name of each folder. Awhile back, I think, you could use a button (which is why I thought the 3-bar hamburger icon was a selection menu) to switch between Calendar and Contacts. Instead, they created a right-side vertical navbar to quickly switch to Calender and Tasks (but, as yet, no quick switch to Contacts). Looks like that sidebar is where icons for add-ons get listed. I rarely use any webmail client, so there's no point in customizing it only to later lose the setup when they next change their webmail client's layout. Although you asked for a change in the datestamp string, you sure Google's webmail client ever showed yyyy-dd-mm for any item within the current year? The various formats that I mentioned seemed, to me, to be what Google was using before. Here's a pic before the layout change: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AGiFkJDwG-k/maxresdefault.jpg Sure looks like Google previously used the varying datestamp string, as I mentioned. You didn't lose anything from before with the new webmail client's layout. Google's datestring is still xx minutes, day-of-week or mm-dd, and only yyyy-dd-mm when the item is dated in the prior year. I don't remember a mark-read option in their Classic webmail client. That's something you got used to how it behaved in your local client. What "common sense" options? Always seemed to me that Google designed a webmail client that catered to the lowest common denominator of users (aka boobs). Lots of options available in local e-mail clients never did and still haven't shown up in their webmail client. |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
pyotr filipivich WROTE: Linea Recta: Thanks. Disappointing they seem to have abandonrd the common sense options... It is Google. They will decide what is common sense, and make you use it. Whether it works for you or not. E.G., what they did with Google Groups has made the archives impossible to search. Which is not a good look for a Company which started as "search" engine. I don't know what they've done to GG as I don't use it, but it certainly seems they've made some of the archive contents appear in search results - but in such a way that the person finding them doesn't realise they're a newsgroup post, in fact in all likelihood doesn't know what usenet is. They've also made the user interface in such a way that anyone attempting to respond to such a posting (a) doesn't realise the posting is ten or twenty years old (b) thinks they're responding with a private email to the original poster, rather than a post to a newsgroup. This seems to be particularly the case for people with @gmail addresses: I'm not saying anything about such people, more that Google seem to have set things up such that they in particular are liable to be misled in this way. Before acquiring Deja News, Google had their own groups which are web-based forums that someone (the owner) created there to have their own private conversations. Some were open to the public but most required you register to discuss there. After Google acquired Deja News, they deliberately confused Usenet "newsgroups" with their private "groups" by calling both just "groups". At first, Google had an advanced search page. That let you change the time range of a search, search by author, and other customizable search criteria. You could also use search operators, like author: to, for example, search on a specific poster, like "author:VanguardLH". While I create kill filters, I usually revisit them and review the comment for each to see if a poster has amended their behavior a year later to qualify for removing the filter (but keep colorizing their posts until another year later). They took that away (both the advanced search page disappeared and so did the author operator). Some are still available, like a date range, but that might disappear, too, along with the other advanced operators that have already disappeared. Used to be you could use their advanced search page (which built a search string with the advanced operators) or specify the operators in your own search string to focus on which posts you wanted to find. Google eventually started included their privated "groups" in the [news]groups search which brought in a lot of irrelevant noise, plus they started using their web search engine which discards any non-alphanumeric characters. A Usenet archive that is not searchable is of little or no value. You go to the archive to find prior discussions, not to see what you can already see in your own local NNTP client. Google ruined that Usenet archive. While Google will peer their Usenet archive with other NNTP servers (both peer-in and peer-out), there is only one way to submit to Google: using their webmail client. There are no NNTP servers accessible to the public to submit posts to Google's NNTP server. Just peering and their webmail client are the only access. Because those that submit to Google Groups (which is their private groups + Usenet) almost invariably only know how to use a web browser, most there are trolls, malcontents, forgers, spammers, and uber boobs hence the Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/index.html I have filters that mark as read, colorize, and flag as ignored any articles that originate from Google Groups (i.e., as the injection node, not peered through them) mostly because of spammers and uber boobs [ab]using that Usenet injection node. I don't delete those posts, just use a default view that hides the ignore-flagged posts (along with their subthreads since I also don't want to see replies to those posts). |
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"VanguardLH" schreef in bericht
... Linea Recta wrote: VanguardLH ... Linea Recta wrote: Is anyone here using Gmail in a browser? I've used my Gmail account for years now with a client program. But recently I decided to have a look at the Gmail app in Chrome. The window is riddled with an overwhelming amount of icons and graphical artifacts. But most annoying is the date format of the messages. Why are the hiding the year digits? How can I get them back for ALL messages? Or do americans think it will allways remain 2018?? I want displayed dd-mm-yyyy everywhere, without any hiding of any parts. The second annoyance: how do I get rid of the automatic 'read' marking? I allways read a message more than once, and want to control the 'read' marking ONLY MANUALLY, after having replied the message. I dont need any interference from google. I'm sure I wil stumble upon more annoyances, but for now I would be very happy to have solutions for these two issues. best regards, Google has used their own datestamp string for quite awhile. They will show something as xx minutes old, a day-of-the-week, a month-day when within the current year, or a month-day-year datestamp when older. Google created a new layout for their webmail client. For awhile, users that want to be unpaid beta testers could switch to the new layout, or switch back to the classic layout. Google removed the option to switch back to Classic, I think, sometime around September. They moved forward to the new layout and are not going to support multiple layouts. Continue using your local e-mail client if you don't want to learn, use, or bother with the new webmail client's layout. I rarely use any webmail client and instead use a local e-mail client. Disappointing they seem to have abandonrd the common sense options... Google probably saw or knew that Microsoft was going to change their webmail client's layout (to make it more similar to their Outlook local e-mail client), so they did the same and updated their webmail client. I don't a lot of change. There is still the folders pane on the left with its More link. Instead of a white-on-red square button at the top left for Compose, there's now a rounded Compose button now. Above that is what looks like a menu button but what it really does is squash the folders pane to give more room to the mail/header list pane; however, when you hover the mouse over a folder, it expands temporarily so you can see the name of each folder. Awhile back, I think, you could use a button (which is why I thought the 3-bar hamburger icon was a selection menu) to switch between Calendar and Contacts. Instead, they created a right-side vertical navbar to quickly switch to Calender and Tasks (but, as yet, no quick switch to Contacts). Looks like that sidebar is where icons for add-ons get listed. I rarely use any webmail client, so there's no point in customizing it only to later lose the setup when they next change their webmail client's layout. Although you asked for a change in the datestamp string, you sure Google's webmail client ever showed yyyy-dd-mm for any item within the current year? The various formats that I mentioned seemed, to me, to be what Google was using before. Here's a pic before the layout change: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AGiFkJDwG-k/maxresdefault.jpg Sure looks like Google previously used the varying datestamp string, as I mentioned. You didn't lose anything from before with the new webmail client's layout. Google's datestring is still xx minutes, day-of-week or mm-dd, and only yyyy-dd-mm when the item is dated in the prior year. I don't remember a mark-read option in their Classic webmail client. That's something you got used to how it behaved in your local client. What "common sense" options? Always seemed to me that Google designed a webmail client that catered to the lowest common denominator of users (aka boobs). Lots of options available in local e-mail clients never did and still haven't shown up in their webmail client. In my local client (Windows Mail from Vista!), I can see all the date info in the format dd-mm-yyyy and time format hh:mm, even from my Gmail account. So all the date information is still there. They just seem to like to hide some parts in Gmail web mail. Couldn't find no option to make it appear in the web mail. I never want to mark anything automatically as 'read' because I want to keep track of what I replied and what not yet replied. Come to think of it: it would be usefull to have messages marked automatically 'replied', if such exists. So for the time being I keep using my local client (also because of the nntp groups). But I got warnings from Google that this causes "security risks"... -- |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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"Big Al" schreef in bericht
news On 10/08/2018 01:25 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote: Linea Recta wrote: Is anyone here using Gmail in a browser? I've used my Gmail account for years now with a client program. But recently I decided to have a look at the Gmail app in Chrome. The window is riddled with an overwhelming amount of icons and graphical artifacts. But most annoying is the date format of the messages. Why are the hiding the year digits? How can I get them back for ALL messages? Or do americans think it will allways remain 2018?? I want displayed dd-mm-yyyy everywhere, without any hiding of any parts. The second annoyance: how do I get rid of the automatic 'read' marking? I allways read a message more than once, and want to control the 'read' marking ONLY MANUALLY, after having replied the message. I dont need any interference from google. I'm sure I wil stumble upon more annoyances, but for now I would be very happy to have solutions for these two issues. best regards, If you don't like the Gmail app in Chrome [1] and have used a normal e-mail client before, then why don't you just use that? I.e. what's wrong with your current e-mail client (I assume that's Windows Mail, i.e. the same you use for NetNews/Usenet)? [1] I.e. not (just) Gmail in a browser, which you could use on any 'foreign' computer, but Gmail app in Chrome, which you probably cannot use on any 'foreign' computer, because it probably will/might not allow you to install apps. The mail app that is under "apps" button on my bookmarks bar that opens a apps page in chrome, just opens the mail.google.com web mail again. It's really not an app, just a link to the webmail. If it is called an app in Google Chrome, I call it an app. regards, -- |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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In message , Linea Recta
writes: [] I never want to mark anything automatically as 'read' because I want to keep track of what I replied and what not yet replied. Read isn't the same as replied. I too sometimes (in my client) mark things as unread even if I've read them, as a reminder that I want to go back to them. Come to think of it: it would be usefull to have messages marked automatically 'replied', if such exists. Some clients do indeed do that (at least for emails); my ancient Turnpike does, for one. So for the time being I keep using my local client (also because of the nntp groups). But I got warnings from Google that this causes "security risks"... You can (in the webmail interface), I understand, turn off those warnings (though there is some hearsay that they get turned back on from time to time). And there _are_ local clients that don't trigger them (recent Thunderbirds, for example) - it's not all clients, only the ones that can't do something (submit passwords encrypted, I think it is). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The losses on both sides at Borodino [1812], 70 miles from Moscow, are the equivalent of a jumbo jet crashing into an area of six square miles every five minutes for the whole ten hours of the battle, killing or wounding everyone on board. - Andrew Roberts on Napoleon, RT 2015/6/13-19 |
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" schreef in bericht
... In message , Linea Recta writes: [] I never want to mark anything automatically as 'read' because I want to keep track of what I replied and what not yet replied. Read isn't the same as replied. I too sometimes (in my client) mark things as unread even if I've read them, But you shouldn't have to. It's causing you extra work, instead of being of automatic help! And this goes specially for me (having troubles with eye sight). as a reminder that I want to go back to them. Come to think of it: it would be usefull to have messages marked automatically 'replied', if such exists. Some clients do indeed do that (at least for emails); my ancient Turnpike does, for one. So for the time being I keep using my local client (also because of the nntp groups). But I got warnings from Google that this causes "security risks"... You can (in the webmail interface), I understand, turn off those warnings (though there is some hearsay that they get turned back on from time to time). And there _are_ local clients that don't trigger them (recent Thunderbirds, for example) - it's not all clients, only the ones that can't do something (submit passwords encrypted, I think it is). It is not the security notification itself bothering me, but the fact of not being 100% secure... regards, -- |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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writes: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" schreef in bericht ... In message , Linea Recta writes: [] I never want to mark anything automatically as 'read' because I want to keep track of what I replied and what not yet replied. Read isn't the same as replied. I too sometimes (in my client) mark things as unread even if I've read them, But you shouldn't have to. It's causing you extra work, instead of being of automatic help! And this goes specially for me (having troubles with eye sight). I think we're talking at cross purposes here. It's useful to know whether you've _replied_ to an email, and some clients do indeed do that. It's also, arguably, useful to know which ones you haven't looked at yet - and some clients do offer a settable time delay, i. e. opening emails for less than the settable delay does not mark them as read. _Most_ clients don't offer that, i. e. they mark emails as read as soon as they're opened. That's all that can be done automatically; there's no way the client can know which ones you decide you want to go back to! as a reminder that I want to go back to them. Come to think of it: it would be usefull to have messages marked automatically 'replied', if such exists. Some clients do indeed do that (at least for emails); my ancient Turnpike does, for one. So for the time being I keep using my local client (also because of the nntp groups). But I got warnings from Google that this causes "security risks"... You can (in the webmail interface), I understand, turn off those warnings (though there is some hearsay that they get turned back on from time to time). And there _are_ local clients that don't trigger them (recent Thunderbirds, for example) - it's not all clients, only the ones that can't do something (submit passwords encrypted, I think it is). It is not the security notification itself bothering me, but the fact of not being 100% secure... regards, Leaving aside that nothing's 100% secu if you want the level of security that google in its wisdom complain about you not having, you have to use a client that can do what they want: some more recent versions of TB can, I think, and I think there are also third party softwares that can do it with older clients (I think stunnel might be one). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...n=gHafDVBYobum elL9J54c (Petitions - at least e-petitions - should collect votes both for and against, if they're going to be reported as indicative of public opinion.) By the very definition of "news," we hear very little about the dominant threats to our lives, and the most about the rarest, including terror. "LibertyMcG" alias Brian P. McGlinchey, 2013-7-23 |
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