Disk Image

I've been lurking for a while here now. Given there's been so much talk
about disk imaging lately I am wondering if my Image files (spanning 5
DVDs) created with win 10s native "create image" tool will be *bootable*
from a new drive should my hard drive fail or I buy another machine?

Yes, I'm new to this sort of thing and trying to learn.

Thanks for any info.

On 07/04/2019 21:25, Bill wrote:
I am wondering if my Image files (spanning 5 DVDs) created with win
10s native "create image" tool will be *bootable* from a new drive
should my hard drive fail or I buy another machine?

No image files are not bootable but System Recovery Disk is. Did you
create a System Recovery Disk AFTER you created a backup of your hard
disk? If not why not?


Yes, I'm new to this sort of thing and trying to learn.

In that case please use Google and search for Videos that teaches a
newbie like you how to do things in Windows 10.


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I've been lurking for a while here now. Given there's been so much talk
about disk imaging lately I am wondering if my Image files (spanning 5
DVDs) created with win 10s native "create image" tool will be *bootable*
from a new drive should my hard drive fail or I buy another machine?

Yes, I'm new to this sort of thing and trying to learn.

Thanks for any info.

What you'd need to boot the pc is the "boot" disk Windows can also
create. I've only used it the once (and it was awhile ago and not Win10)
and image was on an external drive but I believe you boot with the boot
disk and then access the image after it gives you your choices. It's
prepared to use any number of different images. I suspect in your case
you'd point at the first backup dvd and then insert them in order as
prompts ask for them.

I have images of all my pcs stored on one external drive. I see no
indication the images themself are bootable but instead one must create
and use the boot disk Windows can create to boot the pc and start the
process. Note - 32 versus 64 bit matters for all this, e.g. each
requires a different boot disk. I'm unsure if you can restore a 32 bit
image onto a pc using a 64 bit boot disk or vice-versa for that matter.
I just have a boot disk for each.

Bill wrote:

I've been lurking for a while here now. Given there's been so much talk
about disk imaging lately I am wondering if my Image files (spanning 5
DVDs) created with win 10s native "create image" tool will be *bootable*
from a new drive should my hard drive fail or I buy another machine?

Yes, I'm new to this sort of thing and trying to learn.

Thanks for any info.

More likely you'll have to do an initial install of Windows 10 and then
use its Backup program to restore the image. You need the Backup
program to read the image file to perform the writes for a restore.

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/4241...-in-windows-7/
Discusses the Backup program in Windows 7, 8, and 10.

It mentions creating a system repair disc. That would be bootable. It
mentions creating a bootable /disc/, so you'll need an optical drive.
However, other reading says it will create a bootable USB flash drive
(which means your BIOS must be able to boot from USB). Windows 7 can't
create a bootable system repair disk on a USB drive, but Windows 10 can;
however, the bootable USB system recovery drive is tied to the PC where
you created it versus the bootable disc that can be used on multiple
PCs. I am presuming the bootable system repair disc includes the Backup
program, so you could restore using that disc instead of getting stuck
with doing an initial install of the OS to run Backup under there only
to restore an image that wipes the initial install with the backed up
copy of the OS.

The article mentions the advanced boot options, one of which is System
Image Recovery. So, it looks like you could use the bootable repair
disc to restore from a backup image file whether there was an existing
install of Windows or with Windows absent (replaced HDD or SDD,
partition reformatted, corrupted file system, etc).

On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 17:10:08 -0500, VanguardLH
wrote:

Bill wrote:

I've been lurking for a while here now. Given there's been so much talk
about disk imaging lately I am wondering if my Image files (spanning 5
DVDs) created with win 10s native "create image" tool will be *bootable*
from a new drive should my hard drive fail or I buy another machine?

Yes, I'm new to this sort of thing and trying to learn.

Thanks for any info.

More likely you'll have to do an initial install of Windows 10 and then
use its Backup program to restore the image. You need the Backup
program to read the image file to perform the writes for a restore.

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/4241...-in-windows-7/
Discusses the Backup program in Windows 7, 8, and 10.

It mentions creating a system repair disc. That would be bootable. It
mentions creating a bootable /disc/, so you'll need an optical drive.
However, other reading says it will create a bootable USB flash drive
(which means your BIOS must be able to boot from USB). Windows 7 can't
create a bootable system repair disk on a USB drive, but Windows 10 can;
however, the bootable USB system recovery drive is tied to the PC where
you created it versus the bootable disc that can be used on multiple
PCs. I am presuming the bootable system repair disc includes the Backup
program, so you could restore using that disc instead of getting stuck
with doing an initial install of the OS to run Backup under there only
to restore an image that wipes the initial install with the backed up
copy of the OS.

The article mentions the advanced boot options, one of which is System
Image Recovery. So, it looks like you could use the bootable repair
disc to restore from a backup image file whether there was an existing
install of Windows or with Windows absent (replaced HDD or SDD,
partition reformatted, corrupted file system, etc).

I have the additional option of an extra instance
of Win10 with Macrium installed on another HDD.
I can then operate with this extra HDD to
investigate or restore. No rescue disk reqd.

Bill wrote:
I've been lurking for a while here now. Given there's been so much talk
about disk imaging lately I am wondering if my Image files (spanning 5
DVDs) created with win 10s native "create image" tool will be *bootable*
from a new drive should my hard drive fail or I buy another machine?

Yes, I'm new to this sort of thing and trying to learn.

Thanks for any info.

The procedure is shown here.

http://woshub.com/how-to-create-full...in-windows-10/

You can boot either an Emergency Boot CD (the menu item on the
left where the backup is located, has a link for that). You can
also boot a Windows 10 installer DVD, enter the troubleshooting
section, and there is the same entry in there.

http://woshub.com/wp-content/uploads...e-Recovery.jpg

Both of those discs are WinPE based. The idea is, when the disc
boots, it boots the winpe.wim file (~300MB). This is copied to
a RAM drive ( X: ). So at that point, a certain portion of the
disc is in RAM. You can pop the disc out. This gives an opportunity
to place a UDF DVD from the backup session in the same drive, and
commence to restore the UDF DVD image to the single hard drive
in the computer.

That means, all the materials are there for a restore to work.

Since no one else has tried a restore from DVD,
you can be the first :-)

I tested that "backup to DVD" option once, and
I will not be tricked into doing it a second time!!! :-)
That's how much fun it is making those DVDs for
a system image. I got as far as making the DVDs,
but by that time, I was in no mood to do anything else.

If there was a virtual DVD writer on VirtualBox,
I could test stuff like this without ending up in
a bad mood. But no! Nobody wants to make software
to do that.

I have backed up to a hard drive with Win7 backup
and restored, and that worked. I can simulate that
without getting my hands dirty, which is the reason
it and other similar experiments have been done.

For the DVD recording session, Windows made me take each disc
over to Imgburn and "erase" it, before the backup
would use my DVD+RW. And that made me pretty angry.
The fact you're not angry, tells me you did these
on DVD+R expendables.

Paul

I use Macrium and back up copies of the images to an external USB
flash drive. Takes about 3 minutes / GB to copy to the flash.

I also use Macrium to create an emergency boot CD.

On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 16:25:10 -0400, Bill wrote:

I've been lurking for a while here now. Given there's been so much talk
about disk imaging lately I am wondering if my Image files (spanning 5
DVDs) created with win 10s native "create image" tool will be *bootable*
from a new drive should my hard drive fail or I buy another machine?

Yes, I'm new to this sort of thing and trying to learn.

Thanks for any info.

Use the free version of macrium reflect, create a recovery cd from the
macrium menu and get yourself an external hd, they're relatively
inexpensive and much more convenient (and I suspect reliable) than a
bunch of dvd's.

Bill wrote:

I've been lurking for a while here now. Given there's been so
much talk about disk imaging lately I am wondering if my Image
files (spanning 5 DVDs) created with win 10s native "create image"
tool will be *bootable* from a new drive should my hard drive fail
or I buy another machine?

Yes, I'm new to this sort of thing and trying to learn.

Imaging my primary Windows drive has been a game changer since Windows
95-98. We talk about that process regularly in this group.

Forget Windows utilities.

Use Macrium Reflect. First make a USB boot recovery drive. Then use the
explicit option to backup everything necessary to restore Windows, to a
secondary drive on your system.

Do that when you first install Windows. Immediately restore the copy to
make sure your backup system works. Without checking, you are asking for
trouble. As your Windows installation develops, continue making backup
copies to your secondary data drive.

Good luck.

Paul wrote:

I tested that "backup to DVD" option once, and
I will not be tricked into doing it a second time!!! :-)
That's how much fun it is making those DVDs for
a system image. I got as far as making the DVDs,
but by that time, I was in no mood to do anything else.

Same here. That was many years ago, I forget what backup utility, but
the restore didn't work. Only tried that once. System backups should go
on a secondary hard drive.

On 4/9/2019 10:14 AM, dave61430 wrote:
On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 16:25:10 -0400, Bill wrote:

I've been lurking for a while here now. Given there's been so much talk
about disk imaging lately I am wondering if my Image files (spanning 5
DVDs) created with win 10s native "create image" tool will be *bootable*
from a new drive should my hard drive fail or I buy another machine?

Yes, I'm new to this sort of thing and trying to learn.

Thanks for any info.

Use the free version of macrium reflect, create a recovery cd from the
macrium menu and get yourself an external hd, they're relatively
inexpensive and much more convenient (and I suspect reliable) than a
bunch of dvd's.

Thank you all for the replies. I DID create the boot disk along with
the DVDs but I have no other machine to try them out on without
potentially wrecking this one which is working fine.

I have an external USB drive, but it's on the fritz.

Suddenly Win10just stopped 'seeing' it. Like I said, I'm a noob so I
have no idea whether it's the drive itself, or the USB wiring in the
enclosure that's the problem.

Bill wrote:

Thank you all for the replies. I DID create the boot disk along with
the DVDs but I have no other machine to try them out on without
potentially wrecking this one which is working fine.

I have an external USB drive, but it's on the fritz.

Suddenly Win10just stopped 'seeing' it. Like I said, I'm a noob so I
have no idea whether it's the drive itself, or the USB wiring in the
enclosure that's the problem.

If you want to test restoral, you can try that in VirtualBox (Oracle,free).

It's "backup to DVDs" that is next to impossible to do well
via VirtualBox.

But if you really want to try restoral, you can.

https://i.postimg.cc/15BpjJW3/virtualbox.gif

I can set that VM to 1GB of system RAM, which should
be plenty to do the restore with. *And* try test
booting the machine after it's restored. As this
is Windows 10, it should boot in the VM environment.

Paul

On 09/04/2019 19:14, Bill wrote:


I have an external USB drive, but it's on the fritz.

what is fritz? Can you use standard English on these newsgroups as
there are people all over the world reading and responding to people's
problems.


Suddenly Win10just stopped 'seeing' it. Like I said, I'm a noob so I
have no idea whether it's the drive itself, or the USB wiring in the
enclosure that's the problem.

I think you need to find a technician who can help you because you are a
"noob" as you say and so computers are not something you should mess
around with. you can do more damage to your house because it is not
unknown that computers can explode in the hands of a "noob" like you.

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On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:14:43 -0400, Bill wrote:

On 9/4/2019 10:14 AM, dave61430 wrote:
On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 16:25:10 -0400, Bill wrote:

I've been lurking for a while here now. Given there's been so much talk
about disk imaging lately I am wondering if my Image files (spanning 5
DVDs) created with win 10s native "create image" tool will be *bootable*
from a new drive should my hard drive fail or I buy another machine?

Yes, I'm new to this sort of thing and trying to learn.

Thanks for any info.

Use the free version of macrium reflect, create a recovery cd from the
macrium menu and get yourself an external hd, they're relatively
inexpensive and much more convenient (and I suspect reliable) than a
bunch of dvd's.

Thank you all for the replies. I DID create the boot disk along with
the DVDs but I have no other machine to try them out on without
potentially wrecking this one which is working fine.

I have an external USB drive, but it's on the fritz.

Suddenly Win10just stopped 'seeing' it. Like I said, I'm a noob so I
have no idea whether it's the drive itself, or the USB wiring in the
enclosure that's the problem.

I had a 1 TB USB hard drive which stopped working.
Turned out it was the USB interface. The hard drive is still working
in an Xserve.

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On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:14:43 -0400, Bill wrote:

On 9/4/2019 10:14 AM, dave61430 wrote:
On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 16:25:10 -0400, Bill wrote:

I've been lurking for a while here now. Given there's been so much talk
about disk imaging lately I am wondering if my Image files (spanning 5
DVDs) created with win 10s native "create image" tool will be *bootable*
from a new drive should my hard drive fail or I buy another machine?

Yes, I'm new to this sort of thing and trying to learn.

Thanks for any info.

Use the free version of macrium reflect, create a recovery cd from the
macrium menu and get yourself an external hd, they're relatively
inexpensive and much more convenient (and I suspect reliable) than a
bunch of dvd's.

Thank you all for the replies. I DID create the boot disk along with
the DVDs but I have no other machine to try them out on without
potentially wrecking this one which is working fine.

I have an external USB drive, but it's on the fritz.

Suddenly Win10just stopped 'seeing' it. Like I said, I'm a noob so I
have no idea whether it's the drive itself, or the USB wiring in the
enclosure that's the problem.

I had a 1 TB USB hard drive which stopped working.
Turned out it was the USB interface. The hard drive is still working
in an Xserve.

Check warranty status of drive. If it's a Seagate or Western Digital
it's relatively easy, other manufacturers haven't had occassion to use
.... yet

I've found both companies do what's expected and once Seagate went well
past that during talk with online support guy, replaced out of warranty
2Tb external I had even opened.

I use a fair number of enclosure with hard disks I put in them myself.
My favortie toy for these things though is a cable setup does IDE and
SATA without any enclosure involved. Convenient when you have a stack of
older hard disks you want to fill before filing away for
backup/safekeeping.