What's wrong with Microsoft

Alex Nichol wrote:
"Poor Boy" Poor wrote:

Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I still
have to rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a country
where I get 1KB/s downloads if I'm lucky and where 4 hours of
internet surfing cost $10.

That is the flip side of the objecton that MS tries to bundle all
things possible, to the detriment of other development. Starting
with the Netscape action; ending most recently with the European
requirement to omit Media Player

And it hasn't really ended there! Now they've announced that all
licensed users will get MS AntiSpyware free. And who knows what MS will
do with the AV product they are developing.

--
Peace!
Kurt
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"kurttrail" wrote in message =
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Alex Nichol wrote:
"Poor Boy" Poor wrote:

Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I still
have to rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a country
where I get 1KB/s downloads if I'm lucky and where 4 hours of
internet surfing cost $10.

That is the flip side of the objecton that MS tries to bundle all
things possible, to the detriment of other development. Starting
with the Netscape action; ending most recently with the European
requirement to omit Media Player
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And it hasn't really ended there! Now they've announced that all=20
licensed users will get MS AntiSpyware free. And who knows what MS =
will=20
do with the AV product they are developing.
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--=20

Apparently, the will include it with their Internet Explorer 7, which =
will be freely available for users of Windows XP SP2.

carl

Vagabond Software wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in
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Alex Nichol wrote:
"Poor Boy" Poor wrote:

Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I still
have to rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a country
where I get 1KB/s downloads if I'm lucky and where 4 hours of
internet surfing cost $10.

That is the flip side of the objecton that MS tries to bundle all
things possible, to the detriment of other development. Starting
with the Netscape action; ending most recently with the European
requirement to omit Media Player

And it hasn't really ended there! Now they've announced that all
licensed users will get MS AntiSpyware free. And who knows what MS
will do with the AV product they are developing.

--

Apparently, the will include it with their Internet Explorer 7, which
will be freely available for users of Windows XP SP2.

carl

LOL! Bundling the bundle! Only MS would think of it! ;-)

Has anyone seen an Alpha of IE 7? I wonder if MS is going add tabbed
browsing. Is there gonna be a OE 7 at the same time? Will it handle
binaries any better?

--
Peace!
Kurt
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Vagabond Software wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in
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Alex Nichol wrote:
"Poor Boy" Poor wrote:

Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I still
have to rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a =
country
where I get 1KB/s downloads if I'm lucky and where 4 hours of
internet surfing cost $10.

That is the flip side of the objecton that MS tries to bundle all
things possible, to the detriment of other development. Starting
with the Netscape action; ending most recently with the European
requirement to omit Media Player

And it hasn't really ended there! Now they've announced that all
licensed users will get MS AntiSpyware free. And who knows what MS
will do with the AV product they are developing.

--

Apparently, the will include it with their Internet Explorer 7, which
will be freely available for users of Windows XP SP2.

carl
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LOL! Bundling the bundle! Only MS would think of it! ;-)
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Has anyone seen an Alpha of IE 7? I wonder if MS is going add tabbed=20
browsing. Is there gonna be a OE 7 at the same time? Will it handle=20
binaries any better?
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--=20

I haven't seen an Alpha of IE7, but I can make a pretty safe prediction. =
Tabbed browsing will only be available through extension, like it is =
now, not by default. The truth is that most users of Windows either =
have no wish to try tabbed interfaces or have no inclination to use them =
when available. Where Firefox includes basic tabbed browsing by default =
and enhances it through extension, Internet Explorer offers SDI by =
default and enhanced tabbed browsing through extension.

That is the way it is likely to remain.

carl

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Vagabond Software wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in
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Alex Nichol wrote:
"Poor Boy" Poor wrote:

Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I still
have to rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a
country where I get 1KB/s downloads if I'm lucky and where 4
hours of internet surfing cost $10.

That is the flip side of the objecton that MS tries to bundle all
things possible, to the detriment of other development. Starting
with the Netscape action; ending most recently with the European
requirement to omit Media Player

And it hasn't really ended there! Now they've announced that all
licensed users will get MS AntiSpyware free. And who knows what MS
will do with the AV product they are developing.

--

Apparently, the will include it with their Internet Explorer 7,
which will be freely available for users of Windows XP SP2.

carl

LOL! Bundling the bundle! Only MS would think of it! ;-)

Has anyone seen an Alpha of IE 7? I wonder if MS is going add tabbed
browsing. Is there gonna be a OE 7 at the same time? Will it handle
binaries any better?

--

I haven't seen an Alpha of IE7, but I can make a pretty safe
prediction. Tabbed browsing will only be available through
extension, like it is now, not by default. The truth is that most
users of Windows either have no wish to try tabbed interfaces or have
no inclination to use them when available. Where Firefox includes
basic tabbed browsing by default and enhances it through extension,
Internet Explorer offers SDI by default and enhanced tabbed browsing
through extension.

That is the way it is likely to remain.

carl


Sounds like IE7 will be more of a Service Pack of IE6, than a new
version, like IE6 wasn't much more than a Service Pack of IE5.x.

So much for Innovation coming out of Redmond!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

"kurttrail" wrote in message =
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=20
Sounds like IE7 will be more of a Service Pack of IE6, than a new=20
version, like IE6 wasn't much more than a Service Pack of IE5.x.
=20
So much for Innovation coming out of Redmond!
=20
--=20

It's not like tabbed browsing would've qualified as some kind of amazing =
upgrade. In fact, it would be just one more thing I would have to =
"undo" when I configure a system. That's one of my annoyances with =
Trillian. Anyway, there hasn't been any real innovation in browsing by =
anyone since version 4 of the respective engines.

However, it would be very nice if OE could be configured for either top =
or bottom posting. I don't do too much with binaries so I can't speak =
to the improvements needed in that area.

carl

"kurttrail" wrote in message =
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Vagabond Software wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in
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Vagabond Software wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in
message ...
Alex Nichol wrote:
"Poor Boy" Poor wrote:

Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I =
still
have to rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a
country where I get 1KB/s downloads if I'm lucky and where 4
hours of internet surfing cost $10.

That is the flip side of the objecton that MS tries to bundle all
things possible, to the detriment of other development. Starting
with the Netscape action; ending most recently with the European
requirement to omit Media Player

And it hasn't really ended there! Now they've announced that all
licensed users will get MS AntiSpyware free. And who knows what =
MS
will do with the AV product they are developing.

--

Apparently, the will include it with their Internet Explorer 7,
which will be freely available for users of Windows XP SP2.

carl

LOL! Bundling the bundle! Only MS would think of it! ;-)

Has anyone seen an Alpha of IE 7? I wonder if MS is going add =
tabbed
browsing. Is there gonna be a OE 7 at the same time? Will it =
handle
binaries any better?

--

I haven't seen an Alpha of IE7, but I can make a pretty safe
prediction. Tabbed browsing will only be available through
extension, like it is now, not by default. The truth is that most
users of Windows either have no wish to try tabbed interfaces or have
no inclination to use them when available. Where Firefox includes
basic tabbed browsing by default and enhances it through extension,
Internet Explorer offers SDI by default and enhanced tabbed browsing
through extension.

That is the way it is likely to remain.

carl
=20
=20
Sounds like IE7 will be more of a Service Pack of IE6, than a new=20
version, like IE6 wasn't much more than a Service Pack of IE5.x.
=20
So much for Innovation coming out of Redmond!
=20

From what I first read about anything regarding version 7, is that it =
would only be part of the next release of Windows (Longhorn), but =
correct me if I heard wrong; I cannot remember where I read it. In any =
case, if that is true, then the primary reason for the ramped up release =
is because Redmond's underwear is getting munged over the wild success =
of Firefox, and is now making an attempt to stem its popularity.=20

They might just make it (Firefox) more popular by rushing our the =
buggiest version of IE ever with their undue haste.

Tom wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in
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"kurttrail" wrote in
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Vagabond Software wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in
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Alex Nichol wrote:
"Poor Boy" Poor wrote:

Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I
still have to rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live
in a country where I get 1KB/s downloads if I'm lucky and
where 4 hours of internet surfing cost $10.

That is the flip side of the objecton that MS tries to bundle
all things possible, to the detriment of other development.
Starting with the Netscape action; ending most recently with
the European requirement to omit Media Player

And it hasn't really ended there! Now they've announced that all
licensed users will get MS AntiSpyware free. And who knows what
MS will do with the AV product they are developing.

--

Apparently, the will include it with their Internet Explorer 7,
which will be freely available for users of Windows XP SP2.

carl

LOL! Bundling the bundle! Only MS would think of it! ;-)

Has anyone seen an Alpha of IE 7? I wonder if MS is going add
tabbed browsing. Is there gonna be a OE 7 at the same time? Will
it handle binaries any better?

--

I haven't seen an Alpha of IE7, but I can make a pretty safe
prediction. Tabbed browsing will only be available through
extension, like it is now, not by default. The truth is that most
users of Windows either have no wish to try tabbed interfaces or
have no inclination to use them when available. Where Firefox
includes basic tabbed browsing by default and enhances it through
extension, Internet Explorer offers SDI by default and enhanced
tabbed browsing through extension.

That is the way it is likely to remain.

carl


Sounds like IE7 will be more of a Service Pack of IE6, than a new
version, like IE6 wasn't much more than a Service Pack of IE5.x.

So much for Innovation coming out of Redmond!


From what I first read about anything regarding version 7, is that it
would only be part of the next release of Windows (Longhorn), but
correct me if I heard wrong; I cannot remember where I read it. In
any case, if that is true, then the primary reason for the ramped up
release is because Redmond's underwear is getting munged over the
wild success of Firefox, and is now making an attempt to stem its
popularity.

They might just make it (Firefox) more popular by rushing our the
buggiest version of IE ever with their undue haste.

MS announced a couple of days ago about releasing an IE7 beta to
download later this year, and to have a finished product released by
year's end.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Vagabond Software wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in
message ...

Sounds like IE7 will be more of a Service Pack of IE6, than a new
version, like IE6 wasn't much more than a Service Pack of IE5.x.

So much for Innovation coming out of Redmond!

--

It's not like tabbed browsing would've qualified as some kind of
amazing upgrade.

It's great when comparison shopping on the web. Sites like pricegrabber
are always slight out of date with pricing, and I've gotten much better
deals on products by actually going to the venders sites and comparing
the prices myself.

Saving my money is amazing to me, and using tabbed browsing saves me
time and frustration when compared to dealing with multiple browser
windows.

In fact, it would be just one more thing I would
have to "undo" when I configure a system. That's one of my
annoyances with Trillian. Anyway, there hasn't been any real
innovation in browsing by anyone since version 4 of the respective
engines.

I HATE IM of any kind! I much prefer the phone for real-time
communication.

And I rarely say I hate anything, I don't even hate MS. But IM is in a
legal of it's own!

However, it would be very nice if OE could be configured for either
top or bottom posting. I don't do too much with binaries so I can't
speak to the improvements needed in that area.

If it was just set to bottom post, it would save all from a lot of
nagging USENET posts from net nannies.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

"kurttrail" wrote in message =
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Vagabond Software wrote:

In fact, it would be just one more thing I would
have to "undo" when I configure a system. That's one of my
annoyances with Trillian. Anyway, there hasn't been any real
innovation in browsing by anyone since version 4 of the respective
engines.
=20
I HATE IM of any kind! I much prefer the phone for real-time=20
communication.
=20
And I rarely say I hate anything, I don't even hate MS. But IM is in =
a=20
legal of it's own!
=20

I can't say I "hate" the phone, but I have a strong dislike for it. =
Conference calls, it does well, but it is otherwise a terrible medium =
for communication (except for personal chit chat). I like IM because it =
is an excellent medium for "you there / need this info ASAP / here it =
is" type communications, which tend to be very common for me. Another =
good thing about IM is that it is not very conducive to grandstanding =
and soap-box preaching.

For grandstanding, preaching, debate, and explanation, few things can =
beat a well written email.

However, it would be very nice if OE could be configured for either
top or bottom posting. I don't do too much with binaries so I can't
speak to the improvements needed in that area.
=20
If it was just set to bottom post, it would save all from a lot of=20
nagging USENET posts from net nannies.
=20
--=20

Yeah, I used to be one of the net-nannies in the mid-nineties then I =
realized it's not my job, not my usenet, and not my problem. Now I just =
answer the questions. I used to participate in some of the political =
usenet groups, but the signal-to-noise ratio is just so poor these days =
that I stick to clique message boards. Top posting is a buzzing gnat =
compared to the spam and bot-posts that have now overtaken some of my =
old haunts on usenet.

carl

Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I still have to
rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a country where I get 1KB/s
downloads if I'm lucky and where 4 hours of internet surfing cost $10.

I don't know what country you live in, but you should think about
moving.

Can't afford to, surfing has him broke!

Al Smith wrote:

Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I still have
to rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a country where I
get 1KB/s downloads if I'm lucky and where 4 hours of internet surfing
cost $10.


I don't know what country you live in, but you should think about moving.

Al Smith wrote:
Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I still have
to rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a country where I
get 1KB/s downloads if I'm lucky and where 4 hours of internet surfing
cost $10.

I don't know what country you live in, but you should think about
moving.

_COLD_ and uncalled for.....

In ,
Vagabond Software respectfully replied ;-)
"kurttrail" wrote in
message ...
Vagabond Software wrote:

In fact, it would be just one more thing I would
have to "undo" when I configure a system. That's one of my
annoyances with Trillian. Anyway, there hasn't been any real
innovation in browsing by anyone since version 4 of the respective
engines.

I HATE IM of any kind! I much prefer the phone for real-time
communication.

And I rarely say I hate anything, I don't even hate MS. But IM is
in a legal of it's own!


I can't say I "hate" the phone, but I have a strong dislike for it.
Conference calls, it does well, but it is otherwise a terrible medium
for communication (except for personal chit chat). I like IM because
it is an excellent medium for "you there / need this info ASAP / here
it is" type communications, which tend to be very common for me.
Another good thing about IM is that it is not very conducive to
grandstanding and soap-box preaching.

For grandstanding, preaching, debate, and explanation, few things can
beat a well written email.

However, it would be very nice if OE could be configured for either
top or bottom posting. I don't do too much with binaries so I can't
speak to the improvements needed in that area.

If it was just set to bottom post, it would save all from a lot of
nagging USENET posts from net nannies.

--

Yeah, I used to be one of the net-nannies in the mid-nineties then I
realized it's not my job, not my usenet, and not my problem. Now I
just answer the questions. I used to participate in some of the
political usenet groups, but the signal-to-noise ratio is just so
poor these days that I stick to clique message boards. Top posting
is a buzzing gnat compared to the spam and bot-posts that have now
overtaken some of my old haunts on usenet.

carl

Just a bit of net nanning. Please, either set a line length or use the
carriage return. I find it more annoying than top posting, bottom posting or
multi-posting. LOL

--
Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/ou...snewreader.htm

"Michael Stevens" wrote in message =
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=20
Just a bit of net nanning. Please, either set a line length or use the =

carriage return. I find it more annoying than top posting, bottom =
posting or=20
multi-posting. LOL
=20
--=20

I don't know what to do about this. Do I continue using Quotable =
Printable MIME encoding or do I use Uuencoding with longer line lengths? =
The lack of a set line length with the MIME encoding is annoying, the =
way long URL strings are wrapped (and broken) by the fixed line-length =
is also annoying.

carl