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#62
September 3rd 05, 04:15 AM
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"Leythos" wrote in message
... In article , aka@[notme] maskedandanonymous.org says... "Leythos" wrote in message ... In article , aka@[notme] maskedandanonymous.org says... What part of the governor not caring about the protection of his own states people did you miss? Not everything is about the federal government. The military needs permission from the governor to save people? The govenor's state was wiped out, remember? You don't know much about the US do you. Address the issues -- including the ones you snip, and find out. Insult me and all you do is reveal yourself to be a fool. You didn't present any issues - you ignored what I said about the Govorner being responsible for not making plans for the people in his state - and it's been that way for more than 30 years..... Oh, and you keep trying to make it racial, when it's nothing of the sort. I'm not saying it's intentionally racial but when you look at the pictures of who is suffering what do you see? A picture in the local paper (Vancouver, BC) showed an armoured car full of white National Guardsmen patrolling a street full of black people. Maybe it's a press bias but so far most of the pictures I've seen show mostly black people suffering. Kerry 
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#63
September 3rd 05, 04:17 AM
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Murder, stabbing, raping New Orleaners of any color should be
imprisoned, whether dispossessed or no, & victims of any color, even propertied ones, should be rescued, Candy! But it takes time! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "David Candy" . wrote in message ... They are black, they are dispossessed, and as it is clear they were not only left behind but noone has come to get them. Whites (at least thoose from Australia) have been removed from the stadium under armed guard and moved to a hotel (which has no food or water as well) for their own safety. Who can blame them? They know exactly how much they belong. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E2703,00.html In a brief telephone call, John told his father, businessman Peter McNeil, of chaos and lawlessness in the Superdome, where more than 20,000 refugees sought shelter after the hurricane. "He saw murders, stabbings and rapes in there," Mr McNeil said. Mr McNeil said about 100 military personnel and police in the dome were struggling to cope with the huge crowd. "It was just getting worse by the hour and there were gangs in there who were killing each other," he said. Mr McNeil claimed African Americans in the Superdome had abused foreign tourists and demanded they be rescued ahead of them from the crowded football stadium, where conditions were stifling. The 60 foreign tourists were escorted from the Superdome by military personnel. They spent one night at a medical aid post in a nearby building before they were moved to the Hilton. http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/aus...302738966.html They were tourists who became refugees, bewildered at the disintegration of the city and the humans around them: women giving birth in squalor, deaths, rapes and assaults, a suicide. They have little food or water, have not bathed, and their safety is as uncertain as the future of the city itself. For Australians trapped in New Orleans there is only one way to describe the fetid, anarchic wasteland around them. "It hell here," wrote Yasmin Bright, 22, a traveller from Newcastle and one of several Australians trapped when Katrina hit and who have since endured days in the desperate refugee camp at the Superdome. Ms Bright and other foreigners, including about 10 Australians, have now been moved to nearby hotels amid fears for their safety. They were a tiny minority among thousands of angry locals who apparently believed the tourists might be given preferential treatment. A Brisbane man, John McNeil, rang his father, Peter, yesterday and said the foreigners had been escorted from the Superdome under armed guard. "The situation in the Dome was so bad they were under threat of murder," Mr McNeil said, adding that his 22-year-old son had told him of at least one rape, as well as stabbings, fights and bashings. One man committed suicide. The 60 foreigners, Mr McNeil said, had to huddle together at night for safety. "If they had integrated they were dead. There's no law. It's absolute, total chaos." Like Yasmin Bright, Mr McNeil was awaiting evacuation by bus to Houston, Texas. "John told me he's just had enough," his father said. "He sounded distressed … and I think he's very scared." In her email to the Herald, sent from a handheld device, Ms Bright said there were "a heap of us stuck in the Hyatt" and asked: "Do you know of any plans for us?" In Newcastle yesterday her mother, Barbara, said Ms Bright had made a brief call home. She had also sent her family an email, describing "dangerous and dodgy" conditions. While still at the Superdome, she and other foreigners had stuck together, playing cards, music on a harmonica and a guitar, and "talking about what they would like to eat". Ms Bright had even witnessed a birth. Conditions were slightly better at the Hyatt. "There's even a bit of electricity there, but still no running water or toilets." The tourists were now waiting to be moved to Houston. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------- http://webdiary.smh.com.au/archives/...nt/001075.html ================================================= "PCR" wrote in message ... Foo! I wouldn't shoot to kill, as Louisiana's good governor has threatened to do! I just want them to rebuild the prisons first! NATURALLY, the real victims there should be helped, though. I think two presidents have been dispatched now to collect a billion for that. Let's hope the oil companies pitch in. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "kurttrail" wrote in message ... | PCR wrote: | I know all I need to know after stuffing stinky tar & rotting rubber | into 150 industrial strength garbage bags! Try it & see whether you | still side with looters, brigands, & Al-Qaida roofers! | | That you think the dispossessed of New Orleans are terrorists, that says | a lot about you. Again Karma comes to mind. | | -- | Peace! | Kurt | Self-anointed Moderator | microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea | http://microscum.com/mscommunity | "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! | "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" | |
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#64
September 3rd 05, 04:26 AM
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You know for sure those murderers, stabbers & rapists have done all that
& should therefore be forgiven their sins? -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Peter Foldes" wrote in message ... You got a lot to learn. Have you gone yrs with only eating once every 4th or 5th day if at all. Have you gone into a outhouse and hid in the **** for days. Have you slept with dead bodies around you. I can go on and on. You don't know ****. -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "PCR" wrote in message ... I know all I need to know after stuffing stinky tar & rotting rubber into 150 industrial strength garbage bags! Try it & see whether you still side with looters, brigands, & Al-Qaida roofers! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "kurttrail" wrote in message ... | PCR wrote: | I only said the looting afterwards stinks. Some of the actual victims | are getting victimized twice that way! | | It will all be written off as storm damage. Most of the food would have | just rotten anyway. Better looting food and water than having an even | higher death toll. | | So I hope one day you find out for yourself. | | -- | Peace! | Kurt | Self-anointed Moderator | microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea | http://microscum.com/mscommunity | "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! | "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" | |
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#65
September 3rd 05, 04:35 AM
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Hindsight, is it not wonderful. o
 (--=20 Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "Leythos" wrote in message = ... In article , aka@[notme] maskedandanonymous.org says...
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#66
September 3rd 05, 05:00 AM
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"Leythos" wrote in message
... In article , kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys- tems.c*a*m says... "Leythos" wrote in message ... In article , aka@[notme] maskedandanonymous.org says... "Leythos" wrote in message ... In article , aka@[notme] maskedandanonymous.org says... What part of the governor not caring about the protection of his own states people did you miss? Not everything is about the federal government. The military needs permission from the governor to save people? The govenor's state was wiped out, remember? You don't know much about the US do you. Address the issues -- including the ones you snip, and find out. Insult me and all you do is reveal yourself to be a fool. You didn't present any issues - you ignored what I said about the Govorner being responsible for not making plans for the people in his state - and it's been that way for more than 30 years..... Oh, and you keep trying to make it racial, when it's nothing of the sort. I'm not saying it's intentionally racial but when you look at the pictures of who is suffering what do you see? A picture in the local paper (Vancouver, BC) showed an armoured car full of white National Guardsmen patrolling a street full of black people. Maybe it's a press bias but so far most of the pictures I've seen show mostly black people suffering. The media, the somewhat unbiased media, also reported that more than 67% of the residents are non-white. Why would you say "white national guardsmen" unless you want to see it as racial - being from the North, I never consider race, only actions, as there are bad people of all races. I live in one of the most multi-racial areas in North America if not the world. Maybe you are biased against the north? I was just observing what the press is showing us. With a nation and 3/4 of a continent between me and the affected area all I know is what I see in the media. In the black neighbourhoods "looters" are to be shot on sight. In other white neighbourhoods people are "scrounging" for food. This is what the media, mostly US, is reporting. If I go by the media all the looters are black. The white people are organised and helping one another. Any thinking person realises this is not true but obviously racial prejudice by the media. In any case this thread is off topic for this newsgroup and is probably the last thing that Kelly or anyone else in the affected area wants to hear about now or anytime in the future. My thoughts and good wishes are for all the people affected by this disaster. Kerry
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#67
September 3rd 05, 10:33 AM
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Leythos wrote:
In article , says... Hindsight, is it not wonderful. o (Only if you were unaware of the problem before it smacked you in the face. In this case, the fact that N/O is BELOW sea level, that fact that the levies have needed maintenance since BEFORE BUSH TOOK OFFICE the first time, since they didn't provide for a reasonable method to power the pumps, since they didn't provide for a means to repair the over- swamp, over-water, main access roads to allow for swift entry by the LARGE vehicles..... I see it as gross negligence and not ignorance or hind-sight. http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1001051313 -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
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#68
September 3rd 05, 02:39 PM
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"Leythos" wrote in message ... In article , says... http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1001051313 The Fed's didn't build N/O, didn't ask peoples to move there..... It is the sole responsibility of the state to ensure that it's people are safe from internal issues. You're wrong (again). Alias
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#69
September 3rd 05, 02:59 PM
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Leythos wrote:
In article , says... http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1001051313 The Fed's didn't build N/O, didn't ask peoples to move there..... It is the sole responsibility of the state to ensure that it's people are safe from internal issues. LOL! You didn't even read the link. If you had, you would have seen that the Feds have been responsible for the levies. And Bush's Admin has cut funding. We spend billions going on a snipe hunt for WMDs, and giving the rich a tax break. But city infrastructure can get cut to hell. And that we didn't get troops in to secure NO after the floods hit is criminal. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
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#70
September 3rd 05, 03:33 PM
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:21:56 +1000, "David Candy" . wrote:
Are the feds so stupid they need to be asked. No they are not stupid, but you have to understand the laws in the US. In the US, the national Guard and Millitary have to be specifically asked by a stae or local governing body to come in and help. The fed governmnet can not by law just go in and decalre martial law and start parading soldiers around to keep the peace. In the US the job of keeping the peace is left soley the responsibility of the civil authorities (police etc) The national guard or millitary can be asked to come in and help by the local government. However they can not take control. They are subordinate to the local civil authority when they go in. So even though national guard is now coming in to help out in New Orleans, the local police force is still in charge. The gaurd is there to augment them and help them but not replace them.
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#71
September 3rd 05, 03:47 PM
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Rctfreek wrote:
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:21:56 +1000, "David Candy" . wrote: Are the feds so stupid they need to be asked. No they are not stupid, but you have to understand the laws in the US. In the US, the national Guard and Millitary have to be specifically asked by a stae or local governing body to come in and help. The fed governmnet can not by law just go in and decalre martial law and start parading soldiers around to keep the peace. In the US the job of keeping the peace is left soley the responsibility of the civil authorities (police etc) The national guard or millitary can be asked to come in and help by the local government. However they can not take control. They are subordinate to the local civil authority when they go in. So even though national guard is now coming in to help out in New Orleans, the local police force is still in charge. The gaurd is there to augment them and help them but not replace them. They were asked for. It too long to get them in. And I saw video this morning of Gen. Honore ordering police officers. In times of crisis, sh*t needs to be done. Seeing how ill prepared Homeland Security was after the storm where they new the general location for two days prior to the storm hitting, I'd hate to see how long it would take them to respond to some dirty bombs going off in a couple of cities simultaneously. There is blame to be levied on all levels of gov't. From 1/3 of NO police officers deserting, to the Mayor, to the Governor, to FEMA, to the Director Homeland of Security, to the President of the US! But when there was such a breakdown on the local level, that when the Feds needed to step up, and people died waiting for the Feds to get their act together. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
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#72
September 3rd 05, 03:57 PM
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Rctfreek wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:21:56 +1000, "David Candy" . wrote: Are the feds so stupid they need to be asked. No they are not stupid, but you have to understand the laws in the US. In the US, the national Guard and Millitary have to be specifically asked by a stae or local governing body to come in and help. The fed governmnet can not by law just go in and decalre martial law and start parading soldiers around to keep the peace. Not true. National security is, well, national. In the US the job of keeping the peace is left soley the responsibility of the civil authorities (police etc) The national guard or millitary can be asked to come in and help by the local government. However they can not take control. They are subordinate to the local civil authority when they go in. So even though national guard is now coming in to help out in New Orleans, the local police force is still in charge. The gaurd is there to augment them and help them but not replace them. See above. Alias
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#73
September 3rd 05, 04:04 PM
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Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I heard part of a talk show earlier in the week. A caller in, who was from the NO area, said that the State and Local Politicians had for years diverted the Federal Funds for the levees to projects that would garner them votes. Another caller, had to be a Conservative, asked what the Clinton Administration did about the problem in their 8 years. Sitting in a safe,dryplace,seems to me that the State and Local Goverments should have had much better plans laid out.Theevacuation order was late coming out, no plans seemed to be ready to evacuate those with no cars or money and absolutely nothing was done about the probable loss of communications. Nobody could communicate with anybody. And WHO was top dog in charge. It seems to me that the Mayor whined and the Governor disappeared. And, as usual, the people figured that it wouldn't hit them. It was going into the Forida Panhandle. Then Mama Nature learned how to make a left turn!!!!!!!!!! -- RJMoser Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone "kurttrail" wrote in message ... Leythos wrote: In article , says... Hindsight, is it not wonderful. o (Only if you were unaware of the problem before it smacked you in the face. In this case, the fact that N/O is BELOW sea level, that fact that the levies have needed maintenance since BEFORE BUSH TOOK OFFICE the first time, since they didn't provide for a reasonable method to power the pumps, since they didn't provide for a means to repair the over- swamp, over-water, main access roads to allow for swift entry by the LARGE vehicles..... I see it as gross negligence and not ignorance or hind-sight. http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1001051313 -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
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#74
September 3rd 05, 04:34 PM
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I think we all, those of us in our food, water and dry infested environment
should be shot for passing any judgment on anyone involved in such tragedy but, let me ask. In this "real world" scenario: Those automobiles, all of those automobiles that you see in the water, beneath and around those people stranded on their roofs, who do you suppose they belong to, only the "rich"? The long unimaginable lines of automobiles on the interstate freeways heading north before the storm, do you suppose those only contained the "rich"? The ones that stayed behind and for whatever reason chose to ignore the order to evacuate, do you think they were all poor and had no transportation? Are you suggesting that only the "rich" got out? How absurd. I'm a "yank" and for you to presume that you know what I, any or all "(they all believe it)" "yanks" believe is even more absurd. "David Candy" . wrote in message ... It's a bit more complex than that. The yanks have an attitude of equality of opportunity (they all believe it). In an ideal world it might work but not in a real world. As these people had a presumed equality of opportunity, they should be rich enough to get out themselves.
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#75
September 3rd 05, 06:20 PM
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Leythos wrote:
In article , says... Leythos wrote: In article , says... http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1001051313 The Fed's didn't build N/O, didn't ask peoples to move there..... It is the sole responsibility of the state to ensure that it's people are safe from internal issues. LOL! You didn't even read the link. If you had, you would have seen that the Feds have been responsible for the levies. And Bush's Admin has cut funding. I did read the link and it clearly stated that the local state provided funding and the feds provided funding - the Fed's didn't provide as much funding as the state wanted, but both the state and fed's provided funding. So, here you go again - the state understood it needed work done, cheapen out on it, and blames the Feds for not providing all the funding they needed.... "Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars." "In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness." "On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: 'It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us.'" And that we didn't get troops in to secure NO after the floods hit is criminal. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
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