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Where is the startup folder in WXP? It's under SYSTEM SUMMERY but NO PATH!
"Sharon F" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:58:23 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote: Not on my WXP-PC. All it says is they're in WINDOWS/current version. There is no "current version" under windows. Also, that's no help since there are loads of things in Windows, but no programs that I can see. And there is nothing in the START-UP folder. I just looked again. There are no PROGRAMS under Windows in WE. I would think programs would be under "programs"... not under Windows where msconfig says they are. MSCONFIG shows you a registry path. It starts with letters such as HKLM (HKEY_Local Machine) or HKCU (HKey Current User). Unfortunately, MSCONFIG is not a resizable window and tends to truncate these paths. You'll see "..." at the end. That's an indicator that there is more than what is visible. If you use Start All Programs Accessories System Tools System Information, there is a section in this tool titled Software Environment. -------------------------------------- Whoopes, you forgot it's under "System summery," there- then Software Environment! Geeze I thought I wasn't going to find that either! However there is no PATH shown there. Perhaps you are talking about WXP-Pro version??? FS~ |
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Where is the startup folder in WXP? Programs under Windows
"Mike Hall" wrote in message ... There are THREE columns visible under the STARTUP tab when you open MSCONFIG.. STARTUP ITEM - COMMAND - LOCATION.. The COMMAND column tells you what is running.. for instance, I have one for MBM5 as follows "C:/program files/Motherboard Monitor 5/mbm5.exe" I have others for the HP printer monitor, McAfee, Logitech keyboard functions, Nero INCD, Stickies.. ** Yes, I'm familiar with msconfig. There must be 50 things listed there, most of which I have no idea what they are. So, if I want to stop any of these from running at startup, I go to the individual program and look for the setting that stops it.. how difficult is that?.. forget the location in Registry.. ** Not difficult if you can FIND the programs. For instance where do I find "dump prep 0 -K' and how would I disable it? Find and AgentRansack don't find many things on WXP, like FFF did on W98SE. Also I cannot find System2.exe or Allchars.exe etc. You can't try and disable them when you can't find them and don't know what they are. So I have them disabled in msconfig since there is no StartUp folder on my PC. And if you can't see the full command path, make the column wider as you would do in any other Windows program.. ** I'm aware of that. But even when we follow the path the "program" isn't necessarily THERE. Many can't be disabled from finding them and looking at their properties window. FS~ |
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Where is the startup folder in WXP? - It's EMPTY!
"Harry Ohrn" wrote in message ... "~ FreeSpirit ~" wrote in message ... "Harry Ohrn" wrote in message ... "~ FreeSpirit ~" wrote in message ... "Harry Ohrn" wrote in message ... C:\Documents and Settings\your user account\Start Menu\Programs\Startup ===================== The STARTUP folder is empty. How do you disable them there, when they are NOT THERE???? FS~ What are you yelling at me for? You asked where the Startup folder is located and I informed you. If it is empty it's empty. I've tried to follow the thread and I can't tell what you really want to do other than locate where items that run as services are located. Once you find them what do you hope to do? ============================ I was told on one of these MS NGs not to use msconfig to stop programs from starting on bootup. Since I can't find them anywhere else (Startup folder is empty) to disable them, I asked where they would be found and how to disable them from there. FS~ Ok. Check here http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php ================= Thanks, but there is *nothing* in the Start-Up folder on my version of WXP-Home/SP2 and so no other way to disable those programs that neither AgentRansack or FIND can find - that show up in msconfig. So this site isn't much help. Since I have a non-functioning START-UP folder, where do I go next? Foe example, how does one disable nwiz.exe/install when it can't even be located? Or where and how does one disable ps2 outside of the msconfig window? From that site: 2) Windows StartUp folder - Windows 95/98/Me/NT/2000/XP If you click on Start - Programs - StartUp (Win9x/Me/NT/2K) or Start - All Programs - StartUp (WinXP) you may find programs loading from here via shortcuts. If this is the case, you have two options :- a.. Delete the shortcut from the StartUp directory (based on your OS): a.. Win9x/98/Me - C:\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp b.. WinNT/2K - C:\Winnt\Profiles\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp c.. WinXP - C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup b.. Create a temporary directory for your OS called "Disabled StartUp Programs" and move the shortcuts there. If a program doesn't work as expected you can always move the relevant shortcut back again a.. Win9x/98/Me - C:\Windows\Start Menu\Programs b.. WinNT/2K - C:\Winnt\Profiles\All Users\Start Menu\Programs c.. WinXP - C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs c.. Those programs in the "above" Programs can't be disabled from there. FS~ |
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Where is the startup folder in WXP? - It's EMPTY!
"~ FreeSpirit ~" wrote in message = ... =20 "Harry Ohrn" wrote in message=20 ... "~ FreeSpirit ~" wrote in message=20 ... "Harry Ohrn" wrote in message=20 ... "~ FreeSpirit ~" wrote in message=20 ... "Harry Ohrn" wrote in message=20 ... C:\Documents and Settings\your user account\Start=20 Menu\Programs\Startup =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D The STARTUP folder is empty. How do you disable them there, when = they=20 are NOT THERE???? FS~ What are you yelling at me for? You asked where the Startup folder = is=20 located and I informed you. If it is empty it's empty. I've tried = to=20 follow the thread and I can't tell what you really want to do other = than=20 locate where items that run as services are located. Once you find = them=20 what do you hope to do? = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D I was told on one of these MS NGs not to use msconfig to stop = programs=20 from starting on bootup. Since I can't find them anywhere else = (Startup=20 folder is empty) to disable them, I asked where they would be found = and=20 how to disable them from there. FS~ Ok. Check here http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D Thanks, but there is *nothing* in the Start-Up folder on my version of = WXP-Home/SP2 and so no other way to disable those programs that = neither=20 AgentRansack or FIND can find - that show up in msconfig. So this = site=20 isn't much help. Since I have a non-functioning START-UP folder, = where do I=20 go next? Foe example, how does one disable nwiz.exe/install when it = can't=20 even be located? Or where and how does one disable ps2 outside of the = msconfig window? =20 From that site: =20 2) Windows StartUp folder - Windows 95/98/Me/NT/2000/XP If you click on Start - Programs - StartUp (Win9x/Me/NT/2K) or Start = -=20 All Programs - StartUp (WinXP) you may find programs loading from = here via=20 shortcuts. If this is the case, you have two options :- =20 a.. Delete the shortcut from the StartUp directory (based on your = OS): =20 a.. Win9x/98/Me - C:\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp =20 b.. WinNT/2K - C:\Winnt\Profiles\All Users\Start = Menu\Programs\StartUp =20 c.. WinXP - C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start=20 Menu\Programs\Startup =20 b.. Create a temporary directory for your OS called "Disabled StartUp = Programs" and move the shortcuts there. If a program doesn't work as=20 expected you can always move the relevant shortcut back again =20 a.. Win9x/98/Me - C:\Windows\Start Menu\Programs =20 b.. WinNT/2K - C:\Winnt\Profiles\All Users\Start Menu\Programs =20 c.. WinXP - C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs =20 c.. Those programs in the "above" Programs can't be disabled from = there. =20 FS~ I'd say give up, after reading Sharon's easy direction (in another = thread) to Software Enviroment in System Info, and your follow to its = non-existence, I'd say you should just give it up and go. You're way too = petulant to be helped. |
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Where is the startup folder in WXP? SHARON
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:52:18 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:
If you use Start All Programs Accessories System Tools System Information, there is a section in this tool titled Software Environment. ** There is *NO* "software Enviornment" under Tools there. I have WXP-home w/SP2 installed. You skipped a step in the directions. Open System Information first. Then look for Software Environment.... -- Sharon F MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User |
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Where is the startup folder in WXP? It's under SYSTEM SUMMERY but NO PATH!
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:58:06 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:
Whoopes, you forgot it's under "System summery," there- then Software Environment! Geeze I thought I wasn't going to find that either! However there is no PATH shown there. Perhaps you are talking about WXP-Pro version??? In that list of startup programs, you should see at least 4 columns: Program, Command, User Name, Location. Location tells where the startup command is located at. -- Sharon F MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User |
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Where is the startup folder in WXP? SHARON
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:52:18 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:
** That's why we've been using msconfig. But another person here said to remove them from the startup folder. Seems not all WXP OS's have a startup folder (or a "software enviornment" under Tools where you said it should be.) Correct. Not all programs have a shortcut in the startup folder. There are other methods of starting a program at boot time. That's why you're finding so many different descriptions of where to look for startup commands so that they can be deleted. -- Sharon F MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User |
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Where is the startup folder in WXP? - It's EMPTY!
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:37:56 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:
c.. Those programs in the "above" Programs can't be disabled from there. Go back to the page that Frank gave you an URL to and read all of that first page. It discusses all of the different "attack points" that need to be addressed when managing startup programs (including but not limited to the startup folder). -- Sharon F MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User |
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Where is the startup folder in WXP? Startup monitor is EMPTY.
On 19/12/2004 ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:
"Jeff Gaines" wrote in message ... On 12/12/2004 ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote: They're are several possible locations. Go to Mike Lin's web site www.mlin.net and download his startup control panel, that will show you what is starting from where and saves the pain of playing with the registry. ============================ It doesn't show any programs that are running. How do I load all the stuff from msconfig into this monitor? FS~ I just run it and it shows what is set to start from the various registry locations in tabs along the top. Did you d/l startup.exe? ========================= I already have this program. You can't import anything from it to a start-up folder. All it shows is what's running, and works like msconfig. Why not just use msconfig instead of having yet another program on a PC? . FS~ It's a matter of choice, that's why it's called a 'personal' computer. I have been using Mike Lin's app for years, since W98 days, I prefer it to msconfig. -- Jeff Gaines Posted with XanaNews 1.16.5.2 |
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Where is the startup folder in WXP? Programs under Windows
"Sharon F" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:58:23 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote: Not on my WXP-PC. All it says is they're in WINDOWS/current version. There is no "current version" under windows. Also, that's no help since there are loads of things in Windows, but no programs that I can see. And there is nothing in the START-UP folder. I just looked again. There are no PROGRAMS under Windows in WE. I would think programs would be under "programs"... not under Windows where msconfig says they are. MSCONFIG shows you a registry path. It starts with letters such as HKLM (HKEY_Local Machine) or HKCU (HKey Current User). Unfortunately, MSCONFIG is not a resizable window and tends to truncate these paths. You'll see "..." at the end. That's an indicator that there is more than what is visible. If you use Start All Programs Accessories System Tools System Information, there is a section in this tool titled Software Environment. Click next to those words to expand that section. Click on "Startup Programs" and wait a few seconds as the list builds. When that's done, you'll see a list in the right hand pane of this program that has better descriptions of your startup programs. Plus the paths are more likely to be displayed in full. If they are not, at least this window is resizable. ## OK I found it but there are no paths. There are 11 things showing, a small fraction of what's in msconfig. This only lists what's running whereas msconfig lists things that aren't even on my PC anymore. Paths you are likely to find will be: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Run HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\RunServices ## Here is a C&P of what is actually there. NAV Agent c:\progra~1\norton~1\norton~1\navapw32.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run --- *** What is this? Navigator c:\progra~1\direcway\bin\dpcnav.exe All Users Common Startup NvCplDaemon rundll32.exe c:\windows\system32\nvcpl.dll,nvstartup All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ---*** What is this? Recguard c:\windows\sminst\recguard.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run Run StartupMonitor startupmonitor.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run Symantec NetDriver Monitor c:\progra~1\symnet~1\sndmon.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ---*** What is this? WordWeb c:\progra~1\wordweb\wweb32.exe All Users Common Startup desktop desktop.ini NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM Startup -- ** Why are four running? desktop desktop.ini KAREN\Owner Startup desktop desktop.ini .DEFAULT Startup desktop desktop.ini All Users Common Startup ## The others I know what they are - but how do you tell what the others are? When I disable startup programs, I start with the application itself: Open the program and go through its menus looking for the preference and option settings that control the startup behavior. ## Example: How do I know if this should be disabled? Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run And how is something like this opened? If those menus are not to be found, I would have to find a different way to disable the program. If there is no shortcut in the startup folder, than it is likely there is a RUN key in the registry that starts the program. ## And those should be deleted or changed? I can't find how to disable most programs from just opening them and looking in properties or their options choices. Most from what I see, don't give you a choice. That's why I have a freebee startup manager program. It asks before anything can start at startup - one time. Works wonders. When it gets down to this point, I usually uncheck the box in MSCONFIG instead of editing the registry. Reason: I may change my mind down the road and decide that I actually want that program to run at startup. It's easy and convenient to add a check to a box in MSCONFIG. ## Which is why I've been using it for the past 5+ years. There are times when a program is uninstalled but it fails to clean up a RUN key in the registry. Or there may be a program that does a check at startup and re-enters itself in MSCONFIG after it's been disabled. Or an item that I don't use or want that loads as a service. In these cases, I prune the registry. ## By deleting their keys or exporting them to a folder somewhere? NOTE: Rude programs that re-enter themselves in startup after I've gone to great lengths to disable them, don't stay installed on my system for long. ## I know what you mean! :-)) -- Sharon F MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User FS~ |
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Where is the startup folder in WXP? Programs under Windows
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:07:49 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:
## Here is a C&P of what is actually there. NAV Agent c:\progra~1\norton~1\norton~1\navapw32.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run --- *** What is this? Navigator c:\progra~1\direcway\bin\dpcnav.exe All Users Common Startup NvCplDaemon rundll32.exe c:\windows\system32\nvcpl.dll,nvstartup All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ---*** What is this? Recguard c:\windows\sminst\recguard.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run Run StartupMonitor startupmonitor.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run Symantec NetDriver Monitor c:\progra~1\symnet~1\sndmon.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ---*** What is this? WordWeb c:\progra~1\wordweb\wweb32.exe All Users Common Startup desktop desktop.ini NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM Startup -- ** Why are four running? desktop desktop.ini KAREN\Owner Startup desktop desktop.ini .DEFAULT Startup desktop desktop.ini All Users Common Startup ## The others I know what they are - but how do you tell what the others are? You're not taking in the meaning of all that you're seeing. Let's break the first startup item from the list into parts so that you can see it more clearly... NAV Agent c:\progra~1\norton~1\norton~1\navapw32.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run --- *** What is this? Navap32.exe is the executable file for a program component that uses the "friendly name" NAV Agent to describe itself. The path to this executable file is c:\progra~1\norton~1\norton~1\navapw32.exe This is the shortened version of a path that contains one or more long file name (LFN). LFN is any name that exceeds the old 8.3 naming convention. Newer versions of Windows support LFN but the old shortened version (8.3) shows up now and then "under the hood." I can only guess at what the actual path is. It will be something like this: C:\Program Files\Norton-something-longer-than-8- characters\Norton-again-something-longer-than-8-characters\navapw32.exe This component is registered to load for "All Users." The command that tells Windows to run this executable at startup is stored in a subkey under this registry key: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run This is one of the elusive locations that you've been trying to track down to better manage your startup programs. When you open Registry Editor, you'll notice it has 2 columns. Navigate to HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run and highlight the word Run in the left column. A list of startup items appears in the right hand pane. Among those items will be one that mentions the path to the navapw32.exe file. Now that we have interpreted what MSCONFIG or System Information is telling you, let's talk about disabling the item. If you do not know what NAV Agent (navapw32.exe) is or what it does, you would look it up on the internet. Places to check might include : the Symantec site since this is obviously a part of their software, one of the sites that maintain startup lists such as Pac's Portal that Frank gave you a link to. Here's another site that I've found to be a good reference: http://www.answersthatwork.com/Taskl...s/tasklist.htm. The startup sites are not all inclusive but they cover a lot of territory. Also, one site may have information on items that another doesn't have. Read any descriptions that you find for this item at these sites. Decide if it's something you want or don't want in startup. To remove the item from startup via the registry editor, delete the subkey (not the entire Run branch, just the subkey that mentions navap32.exe). NOTE: While you're in here, you might want to get rid of the leftover subkeys that belong to programs that you no longer have installed. If you want a backup of a key that you are going to delete, export it first. The export dialog will prompt you to save the exported data as a ..REG file. Name it in a manner that will remind you what it is for. After the export and save is complete, delete the subkey. If you later decide that deleting the subkey was a mistake, you can double click that saved .REG to merge the info back into the registry. The item will be added back to startup and will load the next time the computer is booted. On the other hand, after ascertaining that there are no ill effects from removing the item from startup - you could delete the .REG file. From the list that you copied and pasted above, these startup items I don't recognize: dpcnav.exe, recguard.exe, wweb32.exe You'll need to look those up. For the rest: nvcpl.dll is part of nVidea drivers or one of the nVidia files that augment the Display control panel startupmonitor.exe is what it says it is: your startup monitor program Symantec NetDriver (sndmon.exe) more of Norton's stuff but don't know how necessary it is or if it's okay to delete. The assorted desktop.ini files aren't a problem. No need to worry about those. If all of this seems like too much bother, go back to using only MSCONFIG and startup monitor to enable/disable startup programs. While it's often recommended to disable at the source, your computer won't burn up if you elect to use these tools instead. You'll get annoying reminder from MSCONFIG that you are in "selective startup" but can check a box that tells the program not to bother you again until another change is made via MSCONFIG. -- Sharon F MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User |
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Where is the startup folder in WXP? - It's EMPTY!
"~ FreeSpirit ~" wrote in message
... "Harry Ohrn" wrote in message ... "~ FreeSpirit ~" wrote in message ... "Harry Ohrn" wrote in message ... "~ FreeSpirit ~" wrote in message ... "Harry Ohrn" wrote in message ... C:\Documents and Settings\your user account\Start Menu\Programs\Startup ===================== The STARTUP folder is empty. How do you disable them there, when they are NOT THERE???? FS~ What are you yelling at me for? You asked where the Startup folder is located and I informed you. If it is empty it's empty. I've tried to follow the thread and I can't tell what you really want to do other than locate where items that run as services are located. Once you find them what do you hope to do? ============================ I was told on one of these MS NGs not to use msconfig to stop programs from starting on bootup. Since I can't find them anywhere else (Startup folder is empty) to disable them, I asked where they would be found and how to disable them from there. FS~ Ok. Check here http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php ================= Thanks, but there is *nothing* in the Start-Up folder on my version of WXP-Home/SP2 and so no other way to disable those programs that neither AgentRansack or FIND can find - that show up in msconfig. So this site isn't much help. Since I have a non-functioning START-UP folder, where do I go next? Foe example, how does one disable nwiz.exe/install when it can't even be located? Or where and how does one disable ps2 outside of the msconfig window? From that site: 2) Windows StartUp folder - Windows 95/98/Me/NT/2000/XP If you click on Start - Programs - StartUp (Win9x/Me/NT/2K) or Start - All Programs - StartUp (WinXP) you may find programs loading from here via shortcuts. If this is the case, you have two options :- a.. Delete the shortcut from the StartUp directory (based on your OS): a.. Win9x/98/Me - C:\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp b.. WinNT/2K - C:\Winnt\Profiles\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp c.. WinXP - C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup b.. Create a temporary directory for your OS called "Disabled StartUp Programs" and move the shortcuts there. If a program doesn't work as expected you can always move the relevant shortcut back again a.. Win9x/98/Me - C:\Windows\Start Menu\Programs b.. WinNT/2K - C:\Winnt\Profiles\All Users\Start Menu\Programs c.. WinXP - C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs c.. Those programs in the "above" Programs can't be disabled from there. FS~ Try a Startup manager program then http://www.diamondcs.com.au/index.php?page=asviewer -- Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User] www.webtree.ca/windowsxp |
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Where is the startup folder in WXP? Programs under Windows
"Sharon F" wrote in message ... On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:07:49 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote: ## Here is a C&P of what is actually there. NAV Agent c:\progra~1\norton~1\norton~1\navapw32.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run --- *** What is this? Navigator c:\progra~1\direcway\bin\dpcnav.exe All Users Common Startup NvCplDaemon rundll32.exe c:\windows\system32\nvcpl.dll,nvstartup All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ---*** What is this? Recguard c:\windows\sminst\recguard.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run Run StartupMonitor startupmonitor.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run Symantec NetDriver Monitor c:\progra~1\symnet~1\sndmon.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ---*** What is this? WordWeb c:\progra~1\wordweb\wweb32.exe All Users Common Startup desktop desktop.ini NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM Startup -- ** Why are four running? desktop desktop.ini KAREN\Owner Startup desktop desktop.ini .DEFAULT Startup desktop desktop.ini All Users Common Startup ## The others I know what they are - but how do you tell what the others are? You're not taking in the meaning of all that you're seeing. Let's break the first startup item from the list into parts so that you can see it more clearly... NAV Agent c:\progra~1\norton~1\norton~1\navapw32.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run --- *** What is this? Navap32.exe is the executable file for a program component that uses the "friendly name" NAV Agent to describe itself. The path to this executable file is c:\progra~1\norton~1\norton~1\navapw32.exe $$ I know that one above the arrow is Norton. What is the one BELOW, with the arrow? This is the shortened version of a path that contains one or more long file name (LFN). LFN is any name that exceeds the old 8.3 naming convention. Newer versions of Windows support LFN but the old shortened version (8.3) shows up now and then "under the hood." I can only guess at what the actual path is. It will be something like this: C:\Program Files\Norton-something-longer-than-8- characters\Norton-again-something-longer-than-8-characters\navapw32.exe $$ Exactly but what is this one? = HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run --- *** What is this? This component is registered to load for "All Users." The command that tells Windows to run this executable at startup is stored in a subkey under this registry key: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run This is one of the elusive locations that you've been trying to track down to better manage your startup programs. When you open Registry Editor, you'll notice it has 2 columns. Navigate to HKLM\ ## There is no HKLM (in the registry) but there is a KEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run and highlight the word Run in the left column. A list of startup items appears in the right hand pane. Among those items will be one that mentions the path to the navapw32.exe file. ## Yes. I see it there. Now that we have interpreted what MSCONFIG or System Information is telling you, let's talk about disabling the item. If you do not know what NAV Agent (navapw32.exe) is or what it does, ## I did KNOW the Norton ones. It was the others I didn't know. Now I know. :-))) you would look it up on the internet. Places to check might include : the Symantec site since this is obviously a part of their software, one of the sites that maintain startup lists such as Pac's Portal that Frank gave you a link to. Here's another site that I've found to be a good reference: http://www.answersthatwork.com/Taskl...s/tasklist.htm. The startup sites are not all inclusive but they cover a lot of territory. Also, one site may have information on items that another doesn't have. ## I just wanted to find the START/StartUp folder in WindowsExplorer (or W.E.). Boy am I learning stuff... :-))) Read any descriptions that you find for this item at these sites. Decide if it's something you want or don't want in startup. To remove the item from startup via the registry editor, delete the subkey (not the entire Run branch, just the subkey that mentions navap32.exe). ## Of course I wouldn't remove NAV and that's all that's there in the registry at that point (RUN). Also StartupMonitor to keep scumware from running if it sneaks onto my PC. I don't even see Direcway there??!?!?! That must run for me to use the Satellite connection.. ??!?!!?. NOTE: While you're in here, you might want to get rid of the leftover subkeys that belong to programs that you no longer have installed. ## I see I can't transport the unneeded keys to save in case I make a mistake. When I try to delete the old ZoneAlarm key it says: "Unable to delete all specified values." How do I get rid of this subkey? Wait, I deleted the main ZoneAlarm key and that got rid of it. I have to download an older version of ZA since 5 was causing a real problem. If you want a backup of a key that you are going to delete, export it first. The export dialog will prompt you to save the exported data as a .REG file. Name it in a manner that will remind you what it is for. After the export and save is complete, delete the subkey. ## OK! If you later decide that deleting the subkey was a mistake, you can double click that saved .REG to merge the info back into the registry. The item will be added back to startup and will load the next time the computer is booted. ## That's good to know. I never had to reinstall a key or subkey. On the other hand, after ascertaining that there are no ill effects from removing the item from startup - you could delete the .REG file. From the list that you copied and pasted above, these startup items I don't recognize: dpcnav.exe, recguard.exe, ## That one is my Satellite service. Direcway. wweb32.exe You'll need to look those up. For the rest: nvcpl.dll is part of nVidea drivers or one of the nVidia files that augment the Display control panel startupmonitor.exe is what it says it is: your startup monitor program ## Yes, I knew all but the ones with the arrows. Symantec NetDriver (sndmon.exe) more of Norton's stuff but don't know how necessary it is or if it's okay to delete. The assorted desktop.ini files aren't a problem. No need to worry about those. If all of this seems like too much bother, go back to using only MSCONFIG and startup monitor to enable/disable startup programs. ## No, it's not too much trouble. I tried to find information on editing the registry geared to non-techies in the past. Most info is geared to those who know what they're doing, more or less. While it's often recommended to disable at the source, your computer won't burn up if you elect to use these tools instead. You'll get annoying reminder from MSCONFIG that you are in "selective startup" but can check a box that tells the program not to bother you again until another change is made via MSCONFIG. ## Thank you so much Sharon. I'm really learning a lot from these MS NGs and the URLS recommended. I will now check for more "leftovers" in the registry..... FS~ |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:41:26 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:
$$ I know that one above the arrow is Norton. What is the one BELOW, with the arrow? Did you read what I wrote? I spent a long time writing it out. You're very close to "getting it" but are skipping on details and getting confused. That item (the one that you put an arrow next to) is the location where the Norton item (right above the line with the arrow) is being loaded from. If you weren't able to disable this startup item via Norton's menus, you could accomplish the same thing by deleting the relevant registry key that mentions navap32.exe. -- Sharon F MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:41:26 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:
## There is no HKLM (in the registry) but there is a KEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. I thought we went through this already HKLM=HKey Local Machine HKCU=HKey Current User -- Sharon F MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User |
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