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Old June 12th 06, 05:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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"Jon" wrote in message
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"Reach out and grep someone."


Awk sed the yacc ...

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Old June 12th 06, 10:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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nice info man :-)

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"Mike Fields" spam_me_not_mr.gadget2@comcastDOTnet wrote in message
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Old June 12th 06, 12:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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I think we should all be on parole. After all, sometimes during our
lifetime we might commit a crime. If all citizens were on parole before
committing crimes we could better keep track on would be criminals.

John

Gary wrote:
If credit card companys monitor everything you purchase, Banks every
transaction you make, Telephone companys every call you make, Stores every
purchase you make, etc, etc. Then what is it about WGA that is makeing you
so paranoid?

Or is just something you can stand on your soap box and rant about?



"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Gary wrote:


Paranoid people should not use computers, credit cards, telephones,
or store discount cards to name a few.


LOL! It's not paranioa when your concerns are justified.

WGA is of absolutely no use to me. Computers, credit cards, telephones,
and store discount cards are of varying use to me.

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  #34  
Old June 12th 06, 04:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
POP wrote:
Tom Willett wrote:


http://www.informationweek.com/inter...leID=188703441

If you want the real story, go to MS and read it there.


According to MS...

"Important

You've hidden important updates
You've asked us not to show you one or more
high-priority updates but your computer might be at risk
until they are installed. Restore them now"

...my computer is at risk because I won't let it reinstall
WGA.
Never, ever rely on the media for an accurate account of
anything, not even quotes!


Totally agreed.

All media links are good for are to tell you what
to look for at the horse's mouth (or whichever end).


In this case, I do believe it's the other end.

I could allow WGA to reinstall itself--it's already
downloaded, but I disabled it, and no matter what, my
firewall will not be letting it out--but I'm annoyed, and I
don't see that Microsoft has addressed the overall
intrusiveness issue.
Until it does, no WGA for me, even if it really does mean
buying a Mac or switching to Linux.

rl


Actually, if I could switch to Linux, I'd be there already. I'm
learning disabled due to a concussion several years back, and my
attempts at getting Linux up have failed to date. I can install
it and run it OK, but then collecting all the apps and drivers is
where I run into trouble. They might be available by now, but
drivers were a big problem last time I tried, and there are some
things MS does that Linux just doesn't do, or doesn't do well
yet. If you want more than Open Office with Linux, it's a lot of
work, especially if you aren't used to compiling and coding.
It's not WGA makes me think this way; it's the bugginess in
general of MS over the years, actually, plus the most obvious;
Linux is still free right now. I still keep Knoppix around for
playtime, but time isn't something I seem to have a lot of right
now. Oh well.

Just being rhetorical,
Pop


  #35  
Old June 12th 06, 04:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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The Unknown P wrote:
Oddly enough it's quite simple to stop the Genuine
advantage from writing to memory at boot time as well as
calling home when it does so. Both I've done without any
negative affects what so ever, and it's simple. Done
through my firewall program. TTFN.


Your firewall isn't stopping it from "writing from memory",
whatever you mean by that. It's only stopping i/o at the port.



  #36  
Old June 12th 06, 04:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Ghostrider wrote:
Gary wrote:

Paranoid people should not use computers, credit cards,
telephones, or store discount cards to name a few.


What world you are living in? Business today and
mercantilism are demanding more on-line activity using
computers, credit card transactions, fax transmissions, and
so forth. They should not become the instruments that
induce paranoia or even irrational fears. But all it takes
are devious minds to generate some real concerns of privacy.


A proper amount of paranoia is a must anywhere these days;
otherwise your gullibility will eat you alive.



  #37  
Old June 12th 06, 04:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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POP wrote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
POP wrote:
Tom Willett wrote:


http://www.informationweek.com/inter...leID=188703441

If you want the real story, go to MS and read it there.


According to MS...

"Important

You've hidden important updates
You've asked us not to show you one or more
high-priority updates but your computer might be at risk
until they are installed. Restore them now"

...my computer is at risk because I won't let it reinstall
WGA.
Never, ever rely on the media for an accurate account of
anything, not even quotes!


Totally agreed.

All media links are good for are to tell you what
to look for at the horse's mouth (or whichever end).


In this case, I do believe it's the other end.

I could allow WGA to reinstall itself--it's already
downloaded, but I disabled it, and no matter what, my
firewall will not be letting it out--but I'm annoyed, and I
don't see that Microsoft has addressed the overall
intrusiveness issue.
Until it does, no WGA for me, even if it really does mean
buying a Mac or switching to Linux.

rl


Actually, if I could switch to Linux, I'd be there already. I'm
learning disabled due to a concussion several years back, and my
attempts at getting Linux up have failed to date. I can install
it and run it OK, but then collecting all the apps and drivers is
where I run into trouble.


From all I've read about Linux, I don't think your head injury has
anything to do with the problem you're having.

They might be available by now, but
drivers were a big problem last time I tried, and there are some
things MS does that Linux just doesn't do, or doesn't do well
yet. If you want more than Open Office with Linux, it's a lot of
work, especially if you aren't used to compiling and coding.
It's not WGA makes me think this way; it's the bugginess in
general of MS over the years, actually, plus the most obvious;
Linux is still free right now. I still keep Knoppix around for
playtime, but time isn't something I seem to have a lot of right
now. Oh well.


Linux seems to be geared towards those who are willing to devote much of
their free time to getting it set up and maintaining it. I have that
time right now, but soon I won't. My other issue is that (before this
WGA debacle) I wanted to keep the same platform at home that I will be
using at work.

For me, I'm pretty sure a Mac is going to be the answer (as it was in
the past).

On the other hand--and again, based only on what I've read--Linux users
seem quite eager to convert the masses, so I do think the support is
there for those who want to switch.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff


  #38  
Old June 12th 06, 04:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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.... ... Microsoft admits
that WGA is a "pilot" program but does not offer an opt
out for those who had "automatically" updated.

....

Most people are missin the word "pilot", I think. They're
establishing a mechanism for anti-piracy and may eventually have
immediate actions added to the mix.
They have the right, by their license, to do anything they
like with their software, which you have only licensed, and
licensing is your only hope for "survival".
"Aha, not legal, eh? OK, block keyboard, block mouse, DEL
*.*, block ports and all other i/o, Quit. Blacklist IP,
blacklist email, blacklist current cookies, blacklist etc etc
etc, initiate monitior for blocked items. They could even damage
the low level format on your disks, which very few can redo any
longer. Remember, the Format.* you have now, with your os, is
not a low level format.

Only point is, they can do whatever they please. Marketing is
the only dept that's going to care until Finance gets upset.

Pop


  #39  
Old June 12th 06, 04:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Ghostrider wrote:
Gary wrote:

If credit card companys monitor everything you purchase,
Banks every transaction you make, Telephone companys
every call you make, Stores every purchase you make, etc,
etc. Then what is it about WGA that is makeing you so
paranoid? Or is just something you can stand on your soap box
and
rant about?


And yes, almost forgot to add, that credit card companies,
banks, telephone companies, etc., are regulated in what they
can do with the information that has been collected. WGA and
Microsoft are not, other than a single statement of privacy.
And, also, just who are the "client" computers and what type
of security exists within the "data farm" that holds all of
the activation, validation and WGA data? Whom do you trust?
Want to trust a company that surreptitiously innoculates an
unremovable trojan into your computer?


Or a gvt that gives away your social security number?


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Old June 12th 06, 06:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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"POP" wrote in message
...
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
POP wrote:
Tom Willett wrote:


http://www.informationweek.com/inter...leID=188703441

If you want the real story, go to MS and read it there.


According to MS...

"Important

You've hidden important updates
You've asked us not to show you one or more
high-priority updates but your computer might be at risk
until they are installed. Restore them now"

...my computer is at risk because I won't let it reinstall
WGA.
Never, ever rely on the media for an accurate account of
anything, not even quotes!


Totally agreed.

All media links are good for are to tell you what
to look for at the horse's mouth (or whichever end).


In this case, I do believe it's the other end.

I could allow WGA to reinstall itself--it's already
downloaded, but I disabled it, and no matter what, my
firewall will not be letting it out--but I'm annoyed, and I
don't see that Microsoft has addressed the overall
intrusiveness issue.
Until it does, no WGA for me, even if it really does mean
buying a Mac or switching to Linux.

rl


Actually, if I could switch to Linux, I'd be there already. I'm learning
disabled due to a concussion several years back, and my attempts at
getting Linux up have failed to date. I can install it and run it OK, but
then collecting all the apps and drivers is where I run into trouble.
They might be available by now, but drivers were a big problem last time I
tried, and there are some things MS does that Linux just doesn't do, or
doesn't do well yet. If you want more than Open Office with Linux, it's a
lot of work, especially if you aren't used to compiling and coding.
It's not WGA makes me think this way; it's the bugginess in general of
MS over the years, actually, plus the most obvious; Linux is still free
right now. I still keep Knoppix around for playtime, but time isn't
something I seem to have a lot of right now. Oh well.

Just being rhetorical,
Pop



Installing new software has become alot simpler. You can now, for the most
part, just click on an application you want to install, and all
dependencies etc are downloaded and installed for you. Drivers, eg for
modems, can still be problematic, though.

I've been playing with this one for the last couple of weeks, which is
particularly pleasant and may be worth a try - little fish swimming around
in the taskbar and a pleasant interface - it's also similar to Knoppix, in
that it's also a live cd, that you can boot from and play with before
installing to hard drive. To install new packages, you just go into KPackage
or Synaptic Package Manager and type the names / click on the ones you want.

SimplyMepis [Passwords for the cd are the same as the user name eg 'root'
for root etc]
http://www.mepis.com/


Jon



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Old June 12th 06, 08:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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John John wrote:

I think we should all be on parole. After all, sometimes during our
lifetime we might commit a crime. If all citizens were on parole before
committing crimes we could better keep track on would be criminals.

John


The way this Republican Administration and Congress are writing
the laws, some pundits already estimate that at least one-third
of the residents in the US will plead guilty to or be convicted
of a crime within the next 10 years. And a recent CBS news report
mentions that Halliburton is building more prisons to house at
least 25 million convicts. Since piracy is a crime and possession
of stolen property is a crime, Microsoft might have many people
whose software has been invalidated by WGA brought up on charges,
should matters go to that extreme. It will be pay Microsoft now
or pay Microsoft (restitution) and the US Government (the fine)
later.
  #42  
Old June 13th 06, 02:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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"Noozer" wrote in
:



By off-loading some of the work to the client computers -- so called
"distributed processing" -- the analysts at Micros~1 can concentrate
on big trends and not be buried in the details.


How long until someone writes some code to spam their servers with
millions of requests to validate bogus software?


Now that you mentioned it, probably not long !!!!

A new worm perhaps, WGA.Worm.32 !!



  #43  
Old June 13th 06, 05:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Anyone claiming there are no updates is full of crap. I ran the WGA once and
once only and then continued to deny accessing to writing to memory at bootup
as well as denying access to the internet. Neither of which stopped me from
getting any updates. I update once a week, usually after Tuesday which seems
to be the time MS releases new updates. I simply go to the windows update
site and then use the custom button. All updates I need\want are available to
me for download. TTFN.
--
There are three types of people in computing, those that can count and those
that can't.


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Old June 13th 06, 05:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Yawn. AS I use Zone Alarm and it has much more than simple firewall
capabilties it does give me a pop-up asking if I want to block WGA from
writing to memory as well as accessing the internet. It's all in the program
control section. I do want and do get the updates without problems. You don't
have to take my word for it, try it yourself. I'm simply saying this is what
I do and Zone Alarm is what I use to do it. TTFN.
--
There are three types of people in computing, those that can count and those
that can't.


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Old June 13th 06, 05:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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The Unknown P wrote:

There are three types of people in computing, those that can count and
those that can't.


No there's a fourth type - those that won't quote.

PLONK!

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