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Old September 14th 18, 12:46 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Fun article from How-to Geek today, about Microsoft's latest Windows
10 updates, that now tell you Chrome and Frirefox are unsafe when you
try to download them.

https://www.howtogeek.com/365983/win...-push-firefox-
and-chrome-over-the-edge/


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Old September 14th 18, 03:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 9/13/2018 6:46 PM, Stan Brown wrote:

Fun article from How-to Geek today, about Microsoft's latest Windows
10 updates, that now tell you Chrome and Frirefox are unsafe when you
try to download them.

https://www.howtogeek.com/365983/win...-push-firefox-
and-chrome-over-the-edge/


I'm still a 7-user. curious, I downloaded Chrome ---big mistake ---
a lot of other stuff (I know not what) came with it. And now
much of we used to call "freeware" or "share ware" comes
with Crome included!
Like wise, a Firefox download messes with other stuff ---including
replacing all the desktop icons with a Firefox logo.
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Old September 14th 18, 03:32 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mathedman wrote:
On 9/13/2018 6:46 PM, Stan Brown wrote:

Fun article from How-to Geek today, about Microsoft's latest Windows
10 updates, that now tell you Chrome and Frirefox are unsafe when you
try to download them.

https://www.howtogeek.com/365983/win...-push-firefox-
and-chrome-over-the-edge/


I'm still a 7-user. curious, I downloaded Chrome ---big mistake ---
a lot of other stuff (I know not what) came with it. And now
much of we used to call "freeware" or "share ware" comes
with Crome included!
Like wise, a Firefox download messes with other stuff ---including
replacing all the desktop icons with a Firefox logo.


Presumably you downloaded Chrome from a Google site.
And your Chrome wasn't a drive-by install which included
other PUPs as part of the payload.

Chrome has a couple Google Updater services. The Updater
services stay on the computer, and update any of a number
of Google programs. And even if you removed all Google
stuff, you might have to remove the Updater materials
manually.

What was funny about the drive-by install thing, was that
a couple people got Chromium on the machine. Chromium is
the open source fork of Chrome. And the web site where
Chromium is located, even makes it hard to get a copy
of Chromium if you wanted to test it. I don't think
anyone is paying to promote that, and yet... machines
with Chromium, where the user swears they didn't download it.

*******

Of course it's possible for icons to be screwed up.

And you have to think through the whole "binding" process
for file extensions, to figure out what happened. I bet
the files on your desktop had a particular file extension,
and you're doing something that we're not doing.

Paul
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Old September 14th 18, 03:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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I gotta ask what's an "F/U checkbox"? Follow Up? **** yoU? Find
anUtheroperatingsystem?
"KenW" wrote in message
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Is there a F/U checkbox ?



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Old September 14th 18, 04:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Frank Slootweg
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Stan Brown wrote:

Fun article from How-to Geek today, about Microsoft's latest Windows
10 updates, that now tell you Chrome and Frirefox are unsafe when you
try to download them.

https://www.howtogeek.com/365983/win...-push-firefox-
and-chrome-over-the-edge/


I'm not clinging to Windows 7, because I've never had it [1], but I
*am* clinging to Windows 8.1, even while Windows 10 was *supposed* to be
better than 8.1 (Yeah, RIGHT! :-().

[1] Went from (XP to) Vista to 8.1, just before 10 broke out.
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Old September 14th 18, 06:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:
Stan Brown wrote:

Fun article from How-to Geek today, about Microsoft's latest Windows
10 updates, that now tell you Chrome and Frirefox are unsafe when you
try to download them.

https://www.howtogeek.com/365983/win...-push-firefox-
and-chrome-over-the-edge/


I'm not clinging to Windows 7, because I've never had it [1], but I
*am* clinging to Windows 8.1, even while Windows 10 was *supposed* to be
better than 8.1 (Yeah, RIGHT! :-().

[1] Went from (XP to) Vista to 8.1, just before 10 broke out.


I like "broke out". Makes it sound like an epidemic (which is probably
what you intended, and arguably it is one).
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Old September 14th 18, 06:28 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , Mathedman
writes:
On 9/13/2018 6:46 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
Fun article from How-to Geek today, about Microsoft's latest Windows
10 updates, that now tell you Chrome and Frirefox are unsafe when you
try to download them.
https://www.howtogeek.com/365983/win...-push-firefox-
and-chrome-over-the-edge/

I'm still a 7-user. curious, I downloaded Chrome ---big mistake ---
a lot of other stuff (I know not what) came with it. And now


Where did you download it from?

much of we used to call "freeware" or "share ware" comes
with Crome included!


That is true.

Like wise, a Firefox download messes with other stuff ---including


A Firefox _download_ shouldn't change anything. A Firefox _install_
isn't _usually_ grasping: OK, it makes itself the default browser, but
even there, it does ask during the install, though defaults to yes.

replacing all the desktop icons with a Firefox logo.


Only the ones that were internet shortcuts - which, presumably, had the
logo from whichever browser you had before. It doesn't change, e. g.,
icons for Word, Excel, IrfanView ...
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Old September 14th 18, 06:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 09/14/2018 11:10 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:

Fun article from How-to Geek today, about Microsoft's latest Windows
10 updates, that now tell you Chrome and Frirefox are unsafe when you
try to download them.

https://www.howtogeek.com/365983/win...-push-firefox-
and-chrome-over-the-edge/


I'm not clinging to Windows 7, because I've never had it [1], but I
*am* clinging to Windows 8.1, even while Windows 10 was *supposed* to be
better than 8.1 (Yeah, RIGHT! :-().

[1] Went from (XP to) Vista to 8.1, just before 10 broke out.

I really liked Windows 8.1 (not 8.0 of course, no one did). And with a
3rd party menu it was great. I bought one of the $39.99 copies so I
can put it back but I don't mind Win 10 now. I run Linux 98% of the
time but 10 serves me well.


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Old September 14th 18, 07:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On: 9/14/2018, Stormin' Norman wrote :

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:03:52 -0600, KenW wrote:

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:41:48 -0600, "Alex Hornkohl"
wrote:

I gotta ask what's an "F/U checkbox"? Follow Up? **** yoU? Find
anUtheroperatingsystem?
"KenW" wrote in message
...
Is there a F/U checkbox ?


**** You


Completely uncalled for. You might want to consider taking your
laxatives.



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Excellent Norman, excellent!
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Old September 14th 18, 07:50 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Sam E[_2_]
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On 09/14/2018 10:10 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

[snip]

I'm not clinging to Windows 7, because I've never had it [1], but I
*am* clinging to Windows 8.1, even while Windows 10 was *supposed* to be
better than 8.1 (Yeah, RIGHT! :-().


and doing a good job of demonstrating how "better" does NOT imply
"good". 7 appears to be the best version (although XP isn't that bad).

[snip]


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Old September 14th 18, 07:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 09/14/2018 12:53 PM, Big Al wrote:

[snip]

I really liked Windows 8.1 (not 8.0 of course, no one did).


I tried the Win 8 preview. The first thing I thought when it installed
was how I really don't want an iPhone (since that's what it looked like,
not like Windows).

And with a
3rd party menu it was great.** I bought one of the $39.99 copies so I
can put it back but I don't mind Win 10 now.** I run Linux 98% of the
time but 10 serves me well.


I do too (run Linux). I do have a few programs that require Windows, and
I use 7 for them.

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Old September 14th 18, 08:39 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Wolf K" wrote in message
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On 2018-09-14 14:50, Sam E wrote:
On 09/14/2018 10:10 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

[snip]

I'm not clinging to Windows 7, because I've never had it [1], but I
*am* clinging to Windows 8.1, even while Windows 10 was *supposed* to be
better than 8.1 (Yeah, RIGHT! :-().


and doing a good job of demonstrating how "better" does NOT imply "good".
7 appears to be the best version (although XP isn't that bad).

[snip]



I prefer 8.1, but then I have Modern Mix, which avoids the "Metro" GUI.


In terms of UI, I think the peak of Windows perfection was XP or 7. Things
went downhill when they tried to make do without a start menu altogether, or
else grudgingly give us one which is the Win8/10 "mess of tiles".

I would say that Classic Shell (or an equivalent) is the one *essential*
package that is needed on any Win 8/10 PC to make it usable.

The real problem with Win 10 is that it doesn't have a proper
email/newsgroup client, now that Windows Live Mail has been withdrawn from
being available for download. The client built into Win10 is merely a toy,
which means you have to go for a paid-for client like Outlook (*) or else a
free program like Thunderbird which is good but has its problems - like not
being able to add recipients from the address book after you've opened a
blank email (as far as I can tell - you have to go the address book, select
users and then say "send to these people"). And I don't think Thunderbird
has the ability to select photos from a folder, say "send these photos by
email" and then *crucially* have it offer to shrink those photos from
camera size to 800x600 or whatever.



I'm sticking with my Win 7 PC for as long as humanly possible. I'm not sure
whether to go for Win 10 or Ubuntu once my trusty Win 7 expires.

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Old September 14th 18, 09:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 14/09/2018 20:39, NY wrote:

"Wolf K" wrote in message

I prefer 8.1, but then I have Modern Mix, which avoids the "Metro" GUI.


In terms of UI, I think the peak of Windows perfection was XP or 7.


Both are too cluttered with unnecessary bloat and eye-candy, such as the
themes service, one of the first services I disable on a new
installation. The most professional GUI was Windows 2000.

Things went downhill when they tried to make do without a start menu
altogether, or else grudgingly give us one which is the Win8/10 "mess of
tiles".


Agreed, a phone interface doesn't really work without a touch screen,
and a keyboard/mouse is much more efficient for inputting anything in
any real quantity.

I would say that Classic Shell (or an equivalent) is the one *essential*
package that is needed on any Win 8/10 PC to make it usable.


Well, one can do quite a lot by tedious step-by-step customisation,
which at least is free - what's the point of paying for an OS, and
then paying again to make it usable.

The real problem with Win 10 is that it doesn't have a proper
email/newsgroup client


As it happens, there's currently an (off-topic for the ng) thread about
this in uk.tech.digital-tv. You can download and install Thunderbird,
but some have complained in the past that it's very easy to get muddled
and send what was intended as a private email to a ng by mistake, and
I've definitely seen examples of this within the last few years, so I'll
repeat here what I posted there explaining how to avoid that ...

1) Create two profiles, say 'Mail' and 'News'. This can be done by
copying twice an existing profile containing both types of messaging,
and then later deleting the type that is 'alien'.

2) Launch two separate windows of T'bird, one for each profile. The
easiest way to do this is copy the Thunderbird Start Menu item twice,
renaming the copies to, say, ...
Thunderbird Mail
Thunderbird News
.... and then rt-click each, choose Properties, Shortcut, and alter the
Target field which launches the program to ...
C:\...\thunderbird.exe -no-remote -P Mail
C:\...\thunderbird.exe -no-remote -P News
.... note the -no-remote switch is needed to ensure that two windows are
launched.

That is sufficient to ensure that you launch mail and news into two
windows, but in the Vista+ Start Menu 'recent' items, and perhaps
elsewhere, they will not be distinguishable, because they both launch
the same program. To distinguish them there you have to ...

3) Go into the T'Bird program folder and create two copies of
thunderbird.exe, say ...
thunderbird_mail.exe
thunderbird_news.exe
.... then reedit the Start Menu item properties as above to launch the
appropriate exe instead of thunderbird.exe. Now you should find there
will be two items in the 'recent' section of the Start Menu.

Thereafter, beware that every time T'bird automatically updates itself,
once the update is complete, do not attempt to launch it until you've
made the two exe copies and checked that the Start Menu items still
point to the correct programs, not old copies in a backup folder
alongside the updated program folder.

or else a free program like Thunderbird which is good but has its
problems - like not being able to add recipients from the address book
after you've opened a blank email (as far as I can tell - you have to go
the address book, select users and then say "send to these people"). And
I don't think Thunderbird has the ability to select photos from a
folder, say "send these photos by email"* and then *crucially* have it
offer to shrink those photos from camera size to 800x600 or whatever.


These are not problems to me. Presumably your method of working is
rather different from mine. My problem with Thunderbird is not being
able to select multiple threads in a ng and delete them all at once with
a single keystroke (for those that haven't tried to do this, what
happens is that only the topmost post in each selected thread is
deleted) - that seems to me to be a most extraordinary omission in
expected functionality.

I'm sticking with my Win 7 PC for as long as humanly possible. I'm not
sure whether to go for Win 10 or Ubuntu once my trusty Win 7 expires.


I use Ubuntu quite a lot for development work. Win10 was installed on a
second-hand PC, but I've moved it to one partition and installed Ubuntu.
Currently I never use Win10, but am keeping it current in case it
should prove useful for something. I'm writing this on W7.
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Old September 14th 18, 09:14 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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NY wrote:
[...]
The real problem with Win 10 is that it doesn't have a proper
email/newsgroup client, now that Windows Live Mail has been withdrawn from
being available for download. The client built into Win10 is merely a toy,
which means you have to go for a paid-for client like Outlook (*) or else a
free program like Thunderbird which is good but has its problems - like not
being able to add recipients from the address book after you've opened a
blank email (as far as I can tell - you have to go the address book, select
users and then say "send to these people").


Why not just type in - part of - their name - in the To:/Cc:/Bcc:
boxes? I.e. if I want to send mail to David something, I just type 'D'
and presto I get a list of people who have a 'D' as the first letter of
their first or/and last name and I select the David I want.

And I don't think Thunderbird
has the ability to select photos from a folder, say "send these photos by
email" and then *crucially* have it offer to shrink those photos from
camera size to 800x600 or whatever.


I don't think TB has that ability, but File/Windows Explorer can do it
just the other way around, i.e. select the files in File/Windows
Explorer - right-click - Send to - Mail recipient - select the
desired 'Picture size' - Attach. After clicking attach, your mailer
(TB) will be invoked wtich a blank message window with the attached
files.

Of course this is a think-before-you-compose method, but perhaps it
suits your needs, because it does do the shrinking.

The only little quirk (at least I have), is that the 'Write: (no
subject)' window does not pop up by itself. It sits in the Taskbar to be
clicked on.

[...]
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Old September 15th 18, 10:09 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 09/14/2018 11:53 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
I do too (run Linux). I do have a few programs that require Windows, and
I use 7 for them.


I put my Windows in a virtual machines. W7 runs okay; W-Nein (w10)
os a dog.


 




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