Skydrive again

From
http://blogs.windows.com/skydrive/b/...7/22/have-all-
your-skydrive-files-with-you-without-using-all-your-storage-or-
bandwidth.aspx

"SkyDrive is deeply integrated into Windows. "

Now my memory may be failing me, but didn't the EU spend an enormous
amount of time and money because the Internet Explorer web browser was
deeply integrated into Windows and users were unable to disable/uninstall
it?

Followed by the browser choice feature?

So are we going down the same route here, with the same battle to be
fought a few years down the line?

Surely SkyDrive should be a feature like Google Drive which can be
installed as an option if the user so wishes.

Or is Microsoft now so insignificant in global OS usage compared to
Android that manufacturer lock in is no longer an issue?

Cheers

Dave R

David.WE.Roberts wrote:
From
http://blogs.windows.com/skydrive/b/...7/22/have-all-
your-skydrive-files-with-you-without-using-all-your-storage-or-
bandwidth.aspx

"SkyDrive is deeply integrated into Windows."

Now my memory may be failing me, but didn't the EU spend an enormous
amount of time and money because the Internet Explorer web browser was
deeply integrated into Windows and users were unable to disable/uninstall
it?

Followed by the browser choice feature?

So are we going down the same route here, with the same battle to be
fought a few years down the line?

Surely SkyDrive should be a feature like Google Drive which can be
installed as an option if the user so wishes.

Or is Microsoft now so insignificant in global OS usage compared to
Android that manufacturer lock in is no longer an issue?

Cheers

Dave R

Close...
The EU issue regarding IE was not necessarily about the ability to
disable/uninstall IE, but that it was bundled and undermined
competition. The result was MSFT telling the EU it would not unbundle
it. The EU realized there position was not winnable and ended up
agreeing to MSFT position to continue to bundle IE but allowing
competitive browsers to be chosen by the EU user (at the time it was
termed a ballet box choice).

The more significant issue (and EU monetary expense) was not related to
IE but Media Player (i.e. the crux of why there are two different
versions of Windows...the no Media Player version is called N)


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 28 Oct 2013 15:04:26 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:

Surely SkyDrive should be a feature like Google Drive which can be
installed as an option if the user so wishes.

A Google search for "how to turn off skydrive windows 8" tppk me to
http://www.howtogeek.com/167058/how-...n-windows-8.1/

Maybe the Group Policy Editor will address your Skydrive concerns. At
the above URL, under the heading "Completely Disable SkyDrive
Everywhere", is a possible solution for you.

On 28 Oct 2013 15:04:26 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:

Surely SkyDrive should be a feature like Google Drive which can be
installed as an option if the user so wishes.

A Google search for "how to turn off skydrive windows 8" took me to
http://www.howtogeek.com/167058/how-...n-windows-8.1/

Maybe the Group Policy Editor will address your Skydrive concerns. At
the above URL, under the heading "Completely Disable SkyDrive
Everywhere", is a possible solution for you.

On 28 Oct 2013 15:04:26 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:

Surely SkyDrive should be a feature like Google Drive which can be
installed as an option if the user so wishes.

A Google search for "how to turn off skydrive windows 8" tppk me to
http://www.howtogeek.com/167058/how-...n-windows-8.1/

Maybe the Group Policy Editor will address your Skydrive concerns. At
the above URL, under the heading "Completely Disable SkyDrive
Everywhere", is a possible solution for you.

On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 11:35:26 +1100, Monty wrote:

On 28 Oct 2013 15:04:26 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:

Surely SkyDrive should be a feature like Google Drive which can be
installed as an option if the user so wishes.

A Google search for "how to turn off skydrive windows 8" tppk me to
http://www.howtogeek.com/167058/how-...ntegration-in-
windows-8.1/

Maybe the Group Policy Editor will address your Skydrive concerns. At
the above URL, under the heading "Completely Disable SkyDrive
Everywhere", is a possible solution for you.

I can understand repetition of a post over a few seconds - News Reader
problems - but over two days?

On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:40:04 -0700, Franklin wrote:

On 29 Oct 2013 13:28:09 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:
I can understand repetition of a post over a few seconds - News Reader
problems - but over two days?

When using a world-wide network, the phrase "over two days" would span
a 24 hour time period. The three messages that I posted spanned closer
to a three hour time period.

Over two days is easier than over a few seconds. How about... the
posts aren't showing because he has himself filtered and thinks they
aren't being sent out.

My first and second posts were sent to two different server addresses,
one in the USA with a US. prefix, and the second in Europe with a EU.
prefix. The time difference between these two was 37 minutes. Both
servers returned a timeout error and the messages were not yet posted.
When I came back to my PC later that morning, I switched to a third
server (no locale prefix) and I was able to send a message to a test
newsgroup. At that time I re-sent the message and noted that it posted
immediately.

Microsoft tend to install many features that you mignt not care to use
but gives you the option of disabling some of them, such as IE and
Skydrive.

Monty wrote:
On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:40:04 -0700, Franklin wrote:

On 29 Oct 2013 13:28:09 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:
I can understand repetition of a post over a few seconds - News Reader
problems - but over two days?

When using a world-wide network, the phrase "over two days" would span
a 24 hour time period. The three messages that I posted spanned closer
to a three hour time period.

Over two days is easier than over a few seconds. How about... the
posts aren't showing because he has himself filtered and thinks they
aren't being sent out.

My first and second posts were sent to two different server addresses,
one in the USA with a US. prefix, and the second in Europe with a EU.
prefix. The time difference between these two was 37 minutes. Both
servers returned a timeout error and the messages were not yet posted.
When I came back to my PC later that morning, I switched to a third
server (no locale prefix) and I was able to send a message to a test
newsgroup. At that time I re-sent the message and noted that it posted
immediately.

Microsoft tend to install many features that you mignt not care to use
but gives you the option of disabling some of them, such as IE and
Skydrive.


Technically one doesn't disable Skydrive in entirety but disables the
option (turn it off) to use the SkyDrive folder as the default storage
location. If 'Off' Windows 8.1 resorts to the 'Documents' folder for the
logged on MSFT or Local account.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:42:17 +1100, Monty wrote:

On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:40:04 -0700, Franklin wrote:

On 29 Oct 2013 13:28:09 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:
I can understand repetition of a post over a few seconds - News Reader
problems - but over two days?

When using a world-wide network, the phrase "over two days" would span a
24 hour time period. The three messages that I posted spanned closer to
a three hour time period.
snip

Posts show up on my news reader as Monday 09:31 PM, Monday 10:08 PM, and
Tuesday 12:35 AM which seems to show much more separation - unless Pan is
showing just after midnight as 12:35 AM not 00:35 AM which, looking at it
now, is a possibility and would fit in with your 3 hour period.

Wonder if I can switch on the 24 hour clock?

Cheers

Dave R

On 28/10/2013 9:04 AM, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
From
http://blogs.windows.com/skydrive/b/...7/22/have-all-
your-skydrive-files-with-you-without-using-all-your-storage-or-
bandwidth.aspx

"SkyDrive is deeply integrated into Windows."

Now my memory may be failing me, but didn't the EU spend an enormous
amount of time and money because the Internet Explorer web browser was
deeply integrated into Windows and users were unable to disable/uninstall
it?

Followed by the browser choice feature?

So are we going down the same route here, with the same battle to be
fought a few years down the line?

Surely SkyDrive should be a feature like Google Drive which can be
installed as an option if the user so wishes.

Or is Microsoft now so insignificant in global OS usage compared to
Android that manufacturer lock in is no longer an issue?

Actually, Microsoft has been on the decline and if we include all
devices, cell phones, tablets, servers, routers, PVRs, smart TVs, all
computing devices on the entire planet....

Microsoft now has well less than 50% market share and falling.

My TV has a Linux kernel, as do my two routers, my 2 tablets, a laptop,
cell phone...Linux/BSD total is 7.

I only have a PC (Win 7) and Laptop (Win 8.1pos) left.

Google and NSA use mostly Linux and derived works for their OSes.
Biggest computer users in the world.

China, India, no one there is going to pay Micro$oft prices. They might
rip it off, but the mainstream public isn't buying it.

Apple is BSD Unix based.

Even Libya Kadhafi didn't trust American NSA OSes, neither does China.
And China is a huge market.

If Micro$oft gets Win 9 wrong, they can kiss their cheeks good-bye.
Even some vendors are now running as no one really wants a Win 8.x POC.
My old 1st generation tablet performs better than a M$ one.

--
Socialist-statism corruption is a great idea so long as the credit is
good and other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those
that pay for it leave, they can all share having nothing but
unemployment, debt and discontentment.

On 28/10/2013 3:31 PM, Monty wrote:
On 28 Oct 2013 15:04:26 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:

Surely SkyDrive should be a feature like Google Drive which can be
installed as an option if the user so wishes.

A Google search for "how to turn off skydrive windows 8" tppk me to
http://www.howtogeek.com/167058/how-...n-windows-8.1/

Maybe the Group Policy Editor will address your Skydrive concerns. At
the above URL, under the heading "Completely Disable SkyDrive
Everywhere", is a possible solution for you.


Those instructions are flawed for home users right off the bat.

Home users don't have group policy anything. Not policy server and no
tools, local or otherwise.

And any update or install might re-install it. These instructions don't
install it so any program could turn it back on.

The link is useless for home users and asking users to registry edit is
like giving a 4 year old a M16/AK47 loaded and pointed at the computer.

--
Socialist-statism corruption is a great idea so long as the credit is
good and other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those
that pay for it leave, they can all share having nothing but
unemployment, debt and discontentment.

On 28/10/2013 4:08 PM, Monty wrote:
On 28 Oct 2013 15:04:26 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:

Surely SkyDrive should be a feature like Google Drive which can be
installed as an option if the user so wishes.

A Google search for "how to turn off skydrive windows 8" took me to
http://www.howtogeek.com/167058/how-...n-windows-8.1/

Maybe the Group Policy Editor will address your Skydrive concerns. At
the above URL, under the heading "Completely Disable SkyDrive
Everywhere", is a possible solution for you.

Only if you run the top end version of M$ Win. THe links steps are all
wrong for home and premium users.


--
Socialist-statism corruption is a great idea so long as the credit is
good and other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those
that pay for it leave, they can all share having nothing but
unemployment, debt and discontentment.

Not that it matters, but... Practically all business applications
run on Windows. The last holdout was graphics software on the Mac.
There won't be any threat to Microsoft Windows until we see
business applications moving to portable devices that run other
operating systems.

This is mostly Linux Lunatic bull****...

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On 28/10/2013 9:04 AM, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
From
http://blogs.windows.com/skydrive/b/...7/22/have-all-
your-skydrive-files-with-you-without-using-all-your-storage-or-
bandwidth.aspx

"SkyDrive is deeply integrated into Windows."

Now my memory may be failing me, but didn't the EU spend an enormous
amount of time and money because the Internet Explorer web browser was
deeply integrated into Windows and users were unable to disable/uninstall
it?

Followed by the browser choice feature?

So are we going down the same route here, with the same battle to be
fought a few years down the line?

Surely SkyDrive should be a feature like Google Drive which can be
installed as an option if the user so wishes.

Or is Microsoft now so insignificant in global OS usage compared to
Android that manufacturer lock in is no longer an issue?

Actually, Microsoft has been on the decline and if we include all
devices, cell phones, tablets, servers, routers, PVRs, smart TVs, all
computing devices on the entire planet....

Microsoft now has well less than 50% market share and falling.

My TV has a Linux kernel, as do my two routers, my 2 tablets, a laptop,
cell phone...Linux/BSD total is 7.

I only have a PC (Win 7) and Laptop (Win 8.1pos) left.

Google and NSA use mostly Linux and derived works for their OSes.
Biggest computer users in the world.

China, India, no one there is going to pay Micro$oft prices. They might
rip it off, but the mainstream public isn't buying it.

Apple is BSD Unix based.

Even Libya Kadhafi didn't trust American NSA OSes, neither does China.
And China is a huge market.

If Micro$oft gets Win 9 wrong, they can kiss their cheeks good-bye.
Even some vendors are now running as no one really wants a Win 8.x POC.
My old 1st generation tablet performs better than a M$ one.

--
Socialist-statism corruption is a great idea so long as the credit is
good and other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those
that pay for it leave, they can all share having nothing but
unemployment, debt and discontentment.

A Linux Lunatic spewing nonsense...

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On 28/10/2013 3:31 PM, Monty wrote:
On 28 Oct 2013 15:04:26 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts" nospam nospam.net
wrote:

Surely SkyDrive should be a feature like Google Drive which can be
installed as an option if the user so wishes.

A Google search for "how to turn off skydrive windows 8" tppk me to
http://www.howtogeek.com/167058/how-...n-windows-8.1/

Maybe the Group Policy Editor will address your Skydrive concerns. At
the above URL, under the heading "Completely Disable SkyDrive
Everywhere", is a possible solution for you.


Those instructions are flawed for home users right off the bat.

Home users don't have group policy anything. Not policy server and no
tools, local or otherwise.

And any update or install might re-install it. These instructions don't
install it so any program could turn it back on.

The link is useless for home users and asking users to registry edit is
like giving a 4 year old a M16/AK47 loaded and pointed at the computer.

--
Socialist-statism corruption is a great idea so long as the credit is
good and other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those
that pay for it leave, they can all share having nothing but
unemployment, debt and discontentment.

On 30 Oct 2013 21:33:35 GMT, David.WE.Roberts wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:42:17 +1100, Monty wrote:

On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:40:04 -0700, Franklin wrote:

On 29 Oct 2013 13:28:09 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:
I can understand repetition of a post over a few seconds - News Reader
problems - but over two days?

When using a world-wide network, the phrase "over two days" would span a
24 hour time period. The three messages that I posted spanned closer to
a three hour time period.
snip

Posts show up on my news reader as Monday 09:31 PM, Monday 10:08 PM, and
Tuesday 12:35 AM which seems to show much more separation - unless Pan is
showing just after midnight as 12:35 AM not 00:35 AM which, looking at it
now, is a possibility and would fit in with your 3 hour period.

Wonder if I can switch on the 24 hour clock?

Cheers

Dave R

It would be strikingly unusual for any program or person to show a time
in the form "00:35 AM", and it would be equally unusual to use "12:35
AM" for time during the first hour after noon.

One would normally write or display "00:35" in the first hour of the day
for 24-hour time, and "12:35 AM" for the same time in 12-hour notation.
Similarly the first hour after noon would be written "12:35" (24-hour)
or "12:35 PM" (12-hour).

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)