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Old September 1st 20, 04:07 AM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default YAMN posts faster than the Mixmaster clients.

Anonymous doesn't have to be slow!

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  #2  
Old September 5th 20, 02:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Anonymous Remailer wrote:

Anonymous doesn't have to be slow!


Using OmniMix, within my newsreader I selected your posting, clicked "R"
for reply, wrote this text and clicked "Ctrl+N" to post it. Finito.

Now explain how you get that done with your YAWN client.

  #3  
Old September 5th 20, 04:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Anonymous Remailer wrote:


Anonymous doesn't have to be slow!


Using omnimix, within my newsreader I selected your posting, clicked "R"
for reply, wrote this text and clicked "Ctrl+N" to post it. Finito.

Now explain how you get that done with your YAWN client.


That is definitely a good feature. Unfortunately, writing a
conversion routine will take a lot of time that I don't have
right now. Each news client also has different ways to display
messages. I also don't have any ability to determine what and
how many headers you display with your news reader. I use a
clipboard text converter that I wrote myself to convert message
text that I have copied to the clipboard and then just paste
them into my client and post. I could possibly make it
available, but you would have to figure out how to use it. It
takes manually setting up the conversion parameters. However,
I cringe to think of the complaints I will probably receive on
how it will not work with your news client.

  #4  
Old September 5th 20, 09:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Default YAMN posts faster than the Mixmaster clients.

In article
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous Remailer wrote:

Anonymous doesn't have to be slow!


Using OmniMix, within my newsreader I selected your posting, clicked "R"
for reply, wrote this text and clicked "Ctrl+N" to post it. Finito.

Now explain how you get that done with your YAWN client.


Same way I would reply to a post using any other Tor aware mixmaster client, be creative and compensate.

Reply to a post using news client, copy all, paste into QSL, it gets formatted nicely, I write a response, then post.

Same is true for the YAMN client except I copy and paste the end result from QSL into the YAMN client window and click send.

I made a template in QSL that works fine with YAMN. Takes less than two seconds to copy paste send.

Replied to your post using YAMN.

  #5  
Old September 5th 20, 10:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy
inwtx
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Anonymous Remailer wrote:


Anonymous doesn't have to be slow!


Using omnimix, within my newsreader I selected your posting, clicked "R"
for reply, wrote this text and clicked "Ctrl+N" to post it. Finito.

Now explain how you get that done with your YAWN client.


That is definitely a good feature. Unfortunately, writing a
conversion routine will take a lot of time that I don't have
right now. Each news client also has different ways to display
messages. I also don't have any ability to determine what and
how many headers you display with your news reader. I use a
clipboard text converter that I wrote myself to convert message
text that I have copied to the clipboard and then just paste
them into my client and post. I could possibly make it
available, but you would have to figure out how to use it. It
takes manually setting up the conversion parameters. However,
I cringe to think of the complaints I will probably receive on
how it will not work with your news client.


Actually, YAMNclient has a reformating routine in it already.
I had forgotten about it. It is kind of flaky now, but I will
look into fixing it. Copy the headers and message out of your
news agent into the clipboard. Then right click on the YAMNclient
window and click the format item. It will paste the message
into the window formatted to resend. Use the upper left button
on the interface to add marks. I will try to clean this up
sometime soon.

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Old September 5th 20, 11:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy
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wrote:

In article
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous Remailer wrote:

Anonymous doesn't have to be slow!


Using OmniMix, within my newsreader I selected your posting, clicked "R"
for reply, wrote this text and clicked "Ctrl+N" to post it. Finito.

Now explain how you get that done with your YAWN client.


Same way I would reply to a post using any other Tor aware mixmaster client, be creative and compensate.


That's why a long time ago I moved on from my Mixmaster client
to the Omnimix Mixmaster proxy server, and never looked back.

Times change, tools change.

  #7  
Old September 6th 20, 12:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.os.linux.advocacy
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In article Anonymous
Remailer wrote:

In article
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous Remailer wrote:

Anonymous doesn't have to be slow!


Using OmniMix, within my newsreader I selected your posting, clicked "R"
for reply, wrote this text and clicked "Ctrl+N" to post it. Finito.

Now explain how you get that done with your YAWN client.


I'm replying to your post using a YAMN client. You figure it out.


Not the easiest way, right?

  #8  
Old September 6th 20, 08:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Stefan Claas
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Nomen Nescio wrote:

wrote:

In article
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous Remailer wrote:

Anonymous doesn't have to be slow!

Using OmniMix, within my newsreader I selected your posting, clicked "R"
for reply, wrote this text and clicked "Ctrl+N" to post it. Finito.

Now explain how you get that done with your YAWN client.


Same way I would reply to a post using any other Tor aware mixmaster client, be creative and compensate.

Reply to a post using news client, copy all, paste into QSL, it gets formatted nicely, I write a response, then post.

Same is true for the YAMN client except I copy and paste the end result from QSL into the YAMN client window and click send.

I made a template in QSL that works fine with YAMN. Takes less than two seconds to copy paste send.

Replied to your post using YAMN.



You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

I prefer to compose all my messages with mature mail/news client
software without lowering my stamdards for anonymous conversations.
Feels as if nowadays Copy&Paste sessions are somewhat uncool.


While Omnimix and QSL, for that matter, are mature and nice products,
people like for example the option to communicate anonymously* with
Android or Linux smart phones and not Desktop or Notebook devices only.

*It should be possible (I have no second Android phone yet) to install
YAMN on a second Android smart phone, without a SIM-card and WiFi switched
off and then securely transfer the encrypted YAMN payload to the (compromised)
online usage Android smart phone.

Looking around, Windows smart phones are quite expensive, if I am not
mistaken and in order to run Omnimix (offline) on a second Android smart
phone Omnimix would need to run under ARM architecture to be used with Wine 3.0,
assuming Omnimix and all it's components run properly under Wine, regardless
if x86 or ARM.

Regards
Stefan



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Old September 6th 20, 01:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Nomen Nescio wrote:


wrote:

In article
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous Remailer wrote:

Anonymous doesn't have to be slow!

Using OmniMix, within my newsreader I selected your posting, clicked "R"
for reply, wrote this text and clicked "Ctrl+N" to post it. Finito.

Now explain how you get that done with your YAWN client.

Same way I would reply to a post using any other Tor aware mixmaster client, be creative and compensate.

Reply to a post using news client, copy all, paste into QSL, it gets formatted nicely, I write a response, then post.

Same is true for the YAMN client except I copy and paste the end result from QSL into the YAMN client window and click send.

I made a template in QSL that works fine with YAMN. Takes less than two seconds to copy paste send.

Replied to your post using YAMN.



You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

I prefer to compose all my messages with mature mail/news client
software without lowering my stamdards for anonymous conversations.
Feels as if nowadays Copy&Paste sessions are somewhat uncool.


While Omnimix and QSL, for that matter, are mature and nice products,
people like for example the option to communicate anonymously* with
Android or Linux smart phones and not Desktop or Notebook devices only.

*It should be possible (I have no second Android phone yet) to install
YAMN on a second Android smart phone, without a SIM-card and WiFi switched
off and then securely transfer the encrypted YAMN payload to the (compromised)
online usage Android smart phone.

It is believed that google is sending out data from android phones, even
without a SIM-card and with WiFi switched off. This has supposedly been
detected by researchers.

  #11  
Old September 6th 20, 01:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.os.linux.advocacy
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On 06 Sep 2020, Stefan Claas wrote
(in article ):

wrote:

*It should be possible (I have no second Android phone yet) to install
YAMN on a second Android smart phone, without a SIM-card and WiFi switched
off and then securely transfer the encrypted YAMN payload to the
(compromised)
online usage Android smart phone.

It is believed that google is sending out data from android phones, even
without a SIM-card and with WiFi switched off. This has supposedly been
detected by researchers.


Thanks for the info. It would be nice if you or someone else can post a URL
for reference. Could it be the case that if GPS tracking is active, that
Google can get the informations from there? Or better asked what kind of
informations can Google obtain? Anyways once Linux smart phones becomes
more and more popular we should not worry much, right?


Android is a type of Linux.

Non-Android Linux phones don’t have much traction in the marketplace. Even
die-hard Tuxers sometimes need standard apps, and Linux phones lack access to
most phone apps. They may/may not have access to desktop Linux apps, I
don’t know. I suspect that using LibreOffice or the GIMP on a smart phone
might be... interesting; info on that point from someone who’s tried it is
requested.
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market...bile/worldwide says
that non-Android or non-iOS phones have less than 0.5% of the marketplace,
total, with Android having roughly three quarters and iOS roughly one quarter
of the total market. The share of non-Android/non-iOS phones is within the
rounding error range for all phones. Linux phones which are not Android are a
fraction of the less than 0.5%.

I invite correction on the figures or a pointer to a more accurate source or
both.

Relevant Linux phone URLs include:

https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/pureos-mobile/

https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._mobile_phones

https://tuxphones.com/2020-everythin...rtphone-guide/

especially that last one, which gives some detail on available Linux phone
OSes, apps, and how to put a Linux OS on your phone. I actually have an old,
dead, Android phone which I might have used to try out some of the ideas
there. Unfortunately, it ran Gingerbread when it was alive, and it didn’t
run Gingerbread well; my experience with that phone was sufficient to make me
ditch it in less than six months and get an iPhone instead.There’s no way
that that thing would be a good candidate for becoming a TuxPhone. I do have
an iPhone 6 which is not in regular use, but apparently Tux phone OSes and
iPhones don’t go well together, so that’s out, too. It seems that you
would need a relatively new (2012 was mentioned as the cutoff date) device
with good RAM, storage, and CPU (which eliminates lots of landfill Android)
and not locked to a telco and not an iOS device.

It also seems that very few of those who have devices which qualify have
actually installed a Tux OS.

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Old September 6th 20, 03:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.os.linux.advocacy
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wrote:


*It should be possible (I have no second Android phone yet) to install
YAMN on a second Android smart phone, without a SIM-card and WiFi switched
off and then securely transfer the encrypted YAMN payload to the (compromised)
online usage Android smart phone.

It is believed that google is sending out data from android phones, even
without a SIM-card and with WiFi switched off. This has supposedly been
detected by researchers.


Thanks for the info. It would be nice if you or someone else can post a URL
for reference. Could it be the case that if GPS tracking is active, that
Google can get the informations from there? Or better asked what kind of
informations can Google obtain? Anyways once Linux smart phones becomes
more and more popular we should not worry much, right?


I do a lot of reading and don't usually save addresses.

The best android firewall I have found is 'LostNet NoRoot Firewall'. It
uses a local VPN that it sets up on your phone, not some VPN on an external
server that will most certainly sell your data. The only problem is that
you can't add facebook to it. LostNet NoRoot Firewall is a bit hard to find
because I think that google play has removed it from their store.

I believe that the most secure phone now is GrapheneOS -
https://grapheneos.org/.
You can, at your own risk, load android apps on it and it doesn't come with facebook
or other spyware.


  #13  
Old September 6th 20, 05:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Stefan Claas
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Wolffan wrote:

Relevant Linux phone URLs include:

https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/pureos-mobile/

https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._mobile_phones

https://tuxphones.com/2020-everythin...rtphone-guide/


Thanks for the URLs, keeps me busy for a while reading all those articles. :-)

especially that last one, which gives some detail on available Linux phone
OSes, apps, and how to put a Linux OS on your phone. I actually have an old,
dead, Android phone which I might have used to try out some of the ideas
there. Unfortunately, it ran Gingerbread when it was alive, and it didn’t
run Gingerbread well; my experience with that phone was sufficient to make me
ditch it in less than six months and get an iPhone instead.There’s no way
that that thing would be a good candidate for becoming a TuxPhone. I do have
an iPhone 6 which is not in regular use, but apparently Tux phone OSes and
iPhones don’t go well together, so that’s out, too. It seems that you
would need a relatively new (2012 was mentioned as the cutoff date) device
with good RAM, storage, and CPU (which eliminates lots of landfill Android)
and not locked to a telco and not an iOS device.

It also seems that very few of those who have devices which qualify have
actually installed a Tux OS.


I think whether users decides to use Android or real Linux phones the a.p.a-s
community should discuss secure and anonymous mobile communications, because
when two relatively cheap mobile devices can be used it has the IMHO big
advantage of the form factor, compared to carrying a smart phone and a more
expensive Notebook.

The things that should be explored and documented in a.p.a-s is what people
would recommend for two mobile devices and what secure techniques people can
use to transfer securely between the two devices, without worrying that the
second offline device gets easily compromised.

While my Android smart phone is currently not loaded with all the tools I used,
due to a factory reset, I can tell people what I have used so far.

As some of you may know I installed Termux (free on Android PlayStore) along
with Golang, Rust, clang and Python. Termux is like you would work with Linux
in CLI mode. You have also a packet manager. I have also tried out a free
software from Android PlayStore which is called Serial USB Terminal, which
allows one to connect via USB adapters and an USB FTDI cable to connect to
a computer. What I did not tried out is trying to transfer files with Serial
USB Terminal. I only tested the connection with my Windows Desktop and the
free CoolTerm (cross-platform) software and typed characters on both sides.

With Termux I run successfully YAMN with socat and Tor. Since I had also
Python installed I could have used Zax's aam2mail. Pullings stats and pub
keys was also done via Tor with a shell script and not YAMN.

Assuming that those Linux smart phones allow the installation of Golang,
Rust, clang and Python, like Debian and friends does I would like to
know, in case of ARM architecture, what serial communications programs
can be used on them in order to transfer files? I ask this because
my understanding is that with serial communications it is unlikely
that the offline device can be compromised if the user compares hashes
from the transfered files.

Last but not least I also tried out, with a recently purchased dumb phone,
with no Internet support, and it's included USB Micro cable and an adapter
to create on a PC PGP messages which then was encoded with JAB-Code, transfered
the .png image to the dumb phone and send it from there to my smart phone.
checksums matched. While this is no anonymous communication it at least would
allow also encrypted PGP communications, with an offline smart phone and a dumb
phone via MMS, in case it is possible to navigate and copy from the smart phone
to the dumb phone, like one could do with a computer.

Regards
Stefan




  #14  
Old September 6th 20, 06:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Stefan Claas
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anon wrote:


wrote:


*It should be possible (I have no second Android phone yet) to install
YAMN on a second Android smart phone, without a SIM-card and WiFi switched
off and then securely transfer the encrypted YAMN payload to the (compromised)
online usage Android smart phone.

It is believed that google is sending out data from android phones, even
without a SIM-card and with WiFi switched off. This has supposedly been
detected by researchers.


Thanks for the info. It would be nice if you or someone else can post a URL
for reference. Could it be the case that if GPS tracking is active, that
Google can get the informations from there? Or better asked what kind of
informations can Google obtain? Anyways once Linux smart phones becomes
more and more popular we should not worry much, right?


I do a lot of reading and don't usually save addresses.

The best android firewall I have found is 'LostNet NoRoot Firewall'. It
uses a local VPN that it sets up on your phone, not some VPN on an external
server that will most certainly sell your data. The only problem is that
you can't add facebook to it. LostNet NoRoot Firewall is a bit hard to find
because I think that google play has removed it from their store.


Thanks for the info!

I believe that the most secure phone now is GrapheneOS -
https://grapheneos.org/.
You can, at your own risk, load android apps on it and it doesn't come with facebook
or other spyware.


Good to know I will check this site out. Thanks!

Regards
Stefan




  #15  
Old September 7th 20, 02:35 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Nomen Nescio
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Stefan Claas writes:

Anyways once Linux smart phones becomes
more and more popular we should not worry much, right?


You already can order one if you want to:

https://www.pine64.org/pinephone
 




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