changing the fan cooler on my video card

attilathehun1 wrote:
Man, it's 8:15 PM here and I live between El Segundo and Hawthorne 2 miles
from Manhattan Bch. I'm burning up. I have my shirt off and a towel around my
neck and I'm sweating like a pig. LOL

It is *perfect* here right now. My A.C. has been off for a week, T=72F inside
the house. Zero energy bill for that. Too bad it is raining like a bitch.

Anyways, I've abandoned my list for the day or two because newegg.com is
out of the RAM stick I want. I put down that I want 184 pin, DDR 333, 512 mb
stick, and 7 different sticks came up. The only one that quoted that it was
unbuffered. It was out of stock and I put in a notification in to tell me by
e-mail if it comes in. I said I would buy the items in my cart when the stick
was available. The stick was the last one on the list, I guess on purpose
newegg did that. Put it last on purpose.

You don't have to be that restrictive in your choices. You can purchase
PC3200 (DDR400) RAM if you want. What you want, is RAM that doesn't
say "registered". Likely there are lots of sticks that would work.

Ok, oh and by the looks of the VF900-Cu VGA cooler that I saw from your
picture that I don't think it will work on my card, unless I use the old
metal frame and plop the fan onto it. Maybe a water cooled system would work
better? Now that the card is bare of a cooler.

I think the VF900-Cu would work, but fitting the tiny heatsinks on the RAM
is the hard part. I bet the guy who helped you remove the screws on the
current one, could fit it.

Water is just asking for trouble - it takes some experience in selecting
fitting, hoses, etc, to get a water tight build. And accidents happen - one
guy, put his water pump on a separate switch from his computer. His girlfriend
was over for a visit, turned on the PC, but forgot the pump. His system was
fried because no water was flowing to make the cooling work. You need more
build experience, before going with water. Not recommended for first-timers.

Getting onto what I did today. I started building the new PC that I am
upgrading my Dell 8300. Well upgrading isn't exactly what you'd call it.
Everything will be new except the hard drive, optical drive and floppy drive.
Maybe even the floppy drive will be new. I was having second thoughts about
how I installed the front panel connectors. You know the small connectors
that you have to push down onto to those small row of pins on the mobo, that
you can barely see. The ones on the outside I pointed outware towards the
ends of the mobo, and the ones on the inside of the mobo I pointed inward
towards the middle of the mobo. In other words, the labels that you can read
what the connector says are pointed inwards on the inside pins and the
connectors on the outside closest to the edge of the mobo, those labels are
pointing towards outer most edge. Well, there are only two options, inside
pins and outside pins, I think you get my drift. Do you think that is the
correct arrangment?

The diagram in the manual is pretty clear. The PANEL header has two rows of
pins. Each 1x2 connector with twisted pair of wires, goes to pins in the same
row (horizontal). The LEDs are polarized. If the LED doesn't light up when
you run the system, simply rotate the connector 180 degrees and try again.
The SPKR cable has two wires, fitted into pins 1 and 4 of the 1x4 plastic
shroud. The speaker, reset and power switches are not polarized, and it
doesn't matter which way they're turned (+ and -). The LEDs matter, and the
+ and - are significant, but no damage done it they're plugged in backwards.
Just rotate them and plug them in the other way, and they'll light up. There
should be a total of five twisted pair cables to connect. The only one that
is essential, is the PWR switch, to turn the computer on and off. The computer
would work without the rest of that stuff connected.

1x2 1x2 1x4
PWR PWR CASE
-- LED -- -- SW -- -------- SPKR -------
X X X X X X X X


X X X X X
-- 1x2 -- -- 1x2 -- No
HDD Reset Connection
LED Switch



There was also another thing that bothered me, I was
using a screw driver to screw in the motherboard screws that has been
magnetized. I know not to get a magnet close to the hard drive, but what
about the motherboard screws? I hope I didn't blow it by using that
screwdriver.

The motherboard is not sensitive to magnets. The hard drive isn't either.
It takes a very strong magnet to damage the hard drive. The most sensitive
thing for magnets, is one of those old CRT monitors with the vacuum tube,
as you can throw off the color purity with magnets nearby. That is why
computer speakers are "shielded", so they won't upset a CRT.

The hard drive has magnets inside it. Powerful magnets. So if magnets
were going to affect the hard drive, they'd have to be stronger than
the ones used on the actuator. Pictures here.

http://www.computer-hardware-explain...e-magnets.html

snip

There is another 2 front panel connectors that are much thicker cables
and it says it goes for EAR mike. There are 2 plugs one says AZALIA and
the other says AC.97. Now the thick black cable goes directly to the
AZALIA plug and then it has an offshoot plug that says AC.97. There are
2 plugs coming off 1 black cable. On the mobo though, there is only one
connector, a F_Audio connector. So, I've plugged the AZALIA plug into
the F_Audio mobo connector. These are coming off of the front panel,
that's why I guess you see F_Audio, front audio.

The Azalia (HDAudio) connector is fine. Each connector is a 2x5 with room
for 10 pins, but only 9 pins are on the motherboard. The missing pin is
for keying, to guide insertion the correct way.

The Azalia has plug sensing signals, which is the difference from AC'97.
Note the instructions in the manual, regarding "Disable front panel jack detection".
You want to leave your check box unticked, as you've used the Azalia plug and
not the AC'97 one. So your jack sense will work, and there is no need to
Disable it.

There are some other plugs, now I'm not talking about the front panel
regular connectors, I already spoke about those already. These plugs are some
I've not encountered before. There are a bunch of connectors, well not a
bunch, it's 1 thick black cable, like all the others I've been asking about,
that has a nine different 1 prong connector plugs that I don't know wtf to do
with. There is an LPT labels double row of prongs, that I think is used for a
printer?

LPT header would be for a parallel (printer) port. You'd need a PCI slot cover
and cable assembly to use it.

There is another set of unused prongs that say COMA that are used
for I don't know wtf ?

Serial port RS232. Again, you'd need a PCI slot cover and cable assembly to use it.
Serial port was used with modems at one time.

Now this sprout of plugs say IEEE 1394 and I have no
place so far to plug them in that is familiar to me.

You don't have a 1394 chip onboard, so the front panel 1394 jack will be unused.
Leave the cable unconnected.

The motherboard is a GIGABYTE S-series Ultra Durable 2/ Dynamic Energy
Saver that supports Intel Core 2 Multi-Core Processors. It's a model
GA-EP35C-DS3R motherboard. The tower is a Thermaltake P/N: VA8003BWS case.
Oh no, it says ATX motherboard, BTX upgraded kit (option). ATX is that Intel
supported or AMD supported? If it's AMD then I'm off to a bad start. I think
I have an Intel chip and an Intel motherboard? Well, here goes with the chip,
it's a Intel Core 2 Duo, that answers half the question, Dual Core DESKTOP.
I'm pretty sure the mobo is an Intel chipset because I got it from newegg.com
and the motherboard came up as wanted accessories or the chip came up as
wanted accessories. Either or I forget which I ordered first and then added
on.
Ok, I think this message is getting a bit longwinded.
Any more help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, attilathehun1

ATX is the dominant form factor for desktops. Both AMD and Intel motherboards
are made to fit that form factor. BTX was used in some prebuilt computers,
and at this point, I'm not sure of its official status (dead or alive).

Paul

Ok, so your saying to leave the sprout of IEEE 1394 plugs alone and tie them
off someplace in the case. Well, if that's it, because I already plugged in
the front panel 5 plugs: speaker, HD LED, Power Switch, etc.., those aren't
really my problem, even though that was helpful by telling me to just 180
degree them if they don't work. There was a CI plug on the case away from all
the others and that was somewhat of a wtf to do with this plug, until I saw
the mobo manual and tower manual and figured out why that one prong was empty
on the front panel connectors, well now it's not empty. That's if someone
opens the case.
No, I've fixed a number of PCs, and built a number more, but I'm still
learning about PCs. I know about the voltages on the certain molex and mobo
connectors that I just learned last week, and how to test them with the
multi-meter. I just learned about downloading the correct chipset drivers for
the non-Intel graphics cards. That bothered me, I went to the Intel website
that was printed in the video card manual of the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro that's
now in my Dell 8300 until I fix the cooler on the ATI FireGL X2 AGP Pro video
card.
This is a question I want answered that has just started bothering me when
I read the box, unopened with plastic still wrapped, on the VisionTek, Radeon
HD 3870. I went to newegg.com and tried to get some reviews on it, but they
aren't offering the card. Now I bought it from Best Buy and I had to go all
the way to Mission Viejo to get it, well 2 of them, I bought the last 2. It
was on sale from $249.99 to $129.99, $120 dollars off. Even if I went to
newegg, I don't think I could get it that cheap. What do you think about
installing this card in my new PC. Or do you think I should upgrade to a
better more expensive card? Another thing about the card is the compatibility
with Intel. I'm reading more AMD on the box then Intel Pentium 4. It is ATI
Radeon Graphics though. Yeah and looking through the plastic, I can see the
ATI label.
Maybe I'm worrying too much here. Another disappointment or hectic morning
because of my laptop. I've been hitting the tdameritrade icon that I brought
down to the quick launch task bar right next to the Start icon. It's called
the System Tray on the right side bottom task bar, but I'm not sure what they
call it on the left side. No matter. Hitting that icon, instead of going to
Internet Exploxer and clicking on the drop down menu, costs me $750 bucks. I
made $742.50 today. I could've made 30 cents on Citigroup, selling short at
$20.50 and it dropped to $20.20, but my brother is a bump on a log. He thinks
he going to get it all and won't take a profit. As soon as I got my laptop up
and entered in the data, 5000 shares of C, market, buy to cover, and clicked
it to dump it we were up only $4.30 dollars, I think I got $20.41. This
brother of mine let $1,100 dollars go, which is typical. Only thanks to a
couple of more trades and then settled at $742.
Ok, I know you don't want to hear my problems.
One thing I've learned, get the website up from the drop down menu of
recently viewed websites. It comes up everytime.
Alrighty, I need some sleep, went to bed at 3:30 am and woke up at 6:15
am, maybe 2 more hours of sleep.
Thanks, attilahthehun1

"Paul" wrote:

attilathehun1 wrote:
Man, it's 8:15 PM here and I live between El Segundo and Hawthorne 2 miles
from Manhattan Bch. I'm burning up. I have my shirt off and a towel around my
neck and I'm sweating like a pig. LOL

It is *perfect* here right now. My A.C. has been off for a week, T=72F inside
the house. Zero energy bill for that. Too bad it is raining like a bitch.

Anyways, I've abandoned my list for the day or two because newegg.com is
out of the RAM stick I want. I put down that I want 184 pin, DDR 333, 512 mb
stick, and 7 different sticks came up. The only one that quoted that it was
unbuffered. It was out of stock and I put in a notification in to tell me by
e-mail if it comes in. I said I would buy the items in my cart when the stick
was available. The stick was the last one on the list, I guess on purpose
newegg did that. Put it last on purpose.

You don't have to be that restrictive in your choices. You can purchase
PC3200 (DDR400) RAM if you want. What you want, is RAM that doesn't
say "registered". Likely there are lots of sticks that would work.

Ok, oh and by the looks of the VF900-Cu VGA cooler that I saw from your
picture that I don't think it will work on my card, unless I use the old
metal frame and plop the fan onto it. Maybe a water cooled system would work
better? Now that the card is bare of a cooler.

I think the VF900-Cu would work, but fitting the tiny heatsinks on the RAM
is the hard part. I bet the guy who helped you remove the screws on the
current one, could fit it.

Water is just asking for trouble - it takes some experience in selecting
fitting, hoses, etc, to get a water tight build. And accidents happen - one
guy, put his water pump on a separate switch from his computer. His girlfriend
was over for a visit, turned on the PC, but forgot the pump. His system was
fried because no water was flowing to make the cooling work. You need more
build experience, before going with water. Not recommended for first-timers.

Getting onto what I did today. I started building the new PC that I am
upgrading my Dell 8300. Well upgrading isn't exactly what you'd call it.
Everything will be new except the hard drive, optical drive and floppy drive.
Maybe even the floppy drive will be new. I was having second thoughts about
how I installed the front panel connectors. You know the small connectors
that you have to push down onto to those small row of pins on the mobo, that
you can barely see. The ones on the outside I pointed outware towards the
ends of the mobo, and the ones on the inside of the mobo I pointed inward
towards the middle of the mobo. In other words, the labels that you can read
what the connector says are pointed inwards on the inside pins and the
connectors on the outside closest to the edge of the mobo, those labels are
pointing towards outer most edge. Well, there are only two options, inside
pins and outside pins, I think you get my drift. Do you think that is the
correct arrangment?

The diagram in the manual is pretty clear. The PANEL header has two rows of
pins. Each 1x2 connector with twisted pair of wires, goes to pins in the same
row (horizontal). The LEDs are polarized. If the LED doesn't light up when
you run the system, simply rotate the connector 180 degrees and try again.
The SPKR cable has two wires, fitted into pins 1 and 4 of the 1x4 plastic
shroud. The speaker, reset and power switches are not polarized, and it
doesn't matter which way they're turned (+ and -). The LEDs matter, and the
+ and - are significant, but no damage done it they're plugged in backwards.
Just rotate them and plug them in the other way, and they'll light up. There
should be a total of five twisted pair cables to connect. The only one that
is essential, is the PWR switch, to turn the computer on and off. The computer
would work without the rest of that stuff connected.

1x2 1x2 1x4
PWR PWR CASE
-- LED -- -- SW -- -------- SPKR -------
X X X X X X X X


X X X X X
-- 1x2 -- -- 1x2 -- No
HDD Reset Connection
LED Switch



There was also another thing that bothered me, I was
using a screw driver to screw in the motherboard screws that has been
magnetized. I know not to get a magnet close to the hard drive, but what
about the motherboard screws? I hope I didn't blow it by using that
screwdriver.

The motherboard is not sensitive to magnets. The hard drive isn't either.
It takes a very strong magnet to damage the hard drive. The most sensitive
thing for magnets, is one of those old CRT monitors with the vacuum tube,
as you can throw off the color purity with magnets nearby. That is why
computer speakers are "shielded", so they won't upset a CRT.

The hard drive has magnets inside it. Powerful magnets. So if magnets
were going to affect the hard drive, they'd have to be stronger than
the ones used on the actuator. Pictures here.

http://www.computer-hardware-explain...e-magnets.html

snip

There is another 2 front panel connectors that are much thicker cables
and it says it goes for EAR mike. There are 2 plugs one says AZALIA and
the other says AC.97. Now the thick black cable goes directly to the
AZALIA plug and then it has an offshoot plug that says AC.97. There are
2 plugs coming off 1 black cable. On the mobo though, there is only one
connector, a F_Audio connector. So, I've plugged the AZALIA plug into
the F_Audio mobo connector. These are coming off of the front panel,
that's why I guess you see F_Audio, front audio.

The Azalia (HDAudio) connector is fine. Each connector is a 2x5 with room
for 10 pins, but only 9 pins are on the motherboard. The missing pin is
for keying, to guide insertion the correct way.

The Azalia has plug sensing signals, which is the difference from AC'97.
Note the instructions in the manual, regarding "Disable front panel jack detection".
You want to leave your check box unticked, as you've used the Azalia plug and
not the AC'97 one. So your jack sense will work, and there is no need to
Disable it.

There are some other plugs, now I'm not talking about the front panel
regular connectors, I already spoke about those already. These plugs are some
I've not encountered before. There are a bunch of connectors, well not a
bunch, it's 1 thick black cable, like all the others I've been asking about,
that has a nine different 1 prong connector plugs that I don't know wtf to do
with. There is an LPT labels double row of prongs, that I think is used for a
printer?

LPT header would be for a parallel (printer) port. You'd need a PCI slot cover
and cable assembly to use it.

There is another set of unused prongs that say COMA that are used
for I don't know wtf ?

Serial port RS232. Again, you'd need a PCI slot cover and cable assembly to use it.
Serial port was used with modems at one time.

Now this sprout of plugs say IEEE 1394 and I have no
place so far to plug them in that is familiar to me.

You don't have a 1394 chip onboard, so the front panel 1394 jack will be unused.
Leave the cable unconnected.

The motherboard is a GIGABYTE S-series Ultra Durable 2/ Dynamic Energy
Saver that supports Intel Core 2 Multi-Core Processors. It's a model
GA-EP35C-DS3R motherboard. The tower is a Thermaltake P/N: VA8003BWS case.
Oh no, it says ATX motherboard, BTX upgraded kit (option). ATX is that Intel
supported or AMD supported? If it's AMD then I'm off to a bad start. I think
I have an Intel chip and an Intel motherboard? Well, here goes with the chip,
it's a Intel Core 2 Duo, that answers half the question, Dual Core DESKTOP.
I'm pretty sure the mobo is an Intel chipset because I got it from newegg.com
and the motherboard came up as wanted accessories or the chip came up as
wanted accessories. Either or I forget which I ordered first and then added
on.
Ok, I think this message is getting a bit longwinded.
Any more help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, attilathehun1

ATX is the dominant form factor for desktops. Both AMD and Intel motherboards
are made to fit that form factor. BTX was used in some prebuilt computers,
and at this point, I'm not sure of its official status (dead or alive).

Paul

attilathehun1 wrote:
snip

This is a question I want answered that has just started bothering me when
I read the box, unopened with plastic still wrapped, on the VisionTek, Radeon
HD 3870. I went to newegg.com and tried to get some reviews on it, but they
aren't offering the card. Now I bought it from Best Buy and I had to go all
the way to Mission Viejo to get it, well 2 of them, I bought the last 2. It
was on sale from $249.99 to $129.99, $120 dollars off. Even if I went to
newegg, I don't think I could get it that cheap. What do you think about
installing this card in my new PC. Or do you think I should upgrade to a
better more expensive card? Another thing about the card is the compatibility
with Intel. I'm reading more AMD on the box then Intel Pentium 4. It is ATI
Radeon Graphics though. Yeah and looking through the plastic, I can see the
ATI label.

Thanks, attilahthehun1


That is a pretty nice card, better than the 8400 you were talking
about getting. You can see here, the HD 3870 is 7x faster than
the 8400 GS.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...%2C1616%2C1584

The HD3870 uses 81.1 watts of power when gaming. So your power supply
should be big enough for that kind of load. It gets some power
through the PCI Express slot (flows through the main power cable), while
the rest of the power is through the extra connector on the end of the
card. Between the two of them, it uses 12V @ 6.62 amps and a little 3.3V.
This probably isn't a big deal, but as part of your training, you have
to be aware of power consumption. If you put too much hardware on
a tiny power supply, it could shut off or die in a puff of smoke.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...70-3850_5.html

Your power supply also needs a power cable of the right type, to plug
into the connector on the card. You can see the black connector in the
upper right hand end of the card, here. That card has what looks
like a VF900 cooler, but you'll notice they used a copper heat
spreader, rather than the tiny taped-on RAM heat sinks :-)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814129100

For your ECS GF6100-M754 with S754 3200+ processor, there are at least four
different models of 3200+ processor. Three have 89W power consumption, and the
fourth has 59W. The 59W one is shown here. Your processor draws power
from the 12V rail also, and the processor and video card are the
major users. You'd want to look at the label on the side of the
supply, and get a rough idea of how many amps are available on
the +12V rail(s), for the load you plan on putting in the box.

http://products.amd.com/en-us/Deskto...il.aspx?id=127

If you install the motherboard drivers from the motherboard CD,
and the Catalyst drivers from the Visiontek CD, you should be
in good shape.

Paul

Well,it's the first day of summer and I think the only living thing that is
enjoying this are cacti or cactuses. I was scrolling threw your message and
left clicking on your attachments, and I saw the review from newegg.com. How
the heck did you get that review when I put in everything I could think of
and nothing came up from newegg? Are you a wizard? LOL What did you enter in
the search box to get that card up? Well, it's no biggie. I better read on
more of your message, brb.
Ok, I see the end of the card and yeah it looks like this power supply has
a six-hole connector on it. Ok, I just took the side panel off of the tower
and yes the power supply has a 6-pin PCI Express Connector, just read it off
the box, yeah I'm learning the lingo too! LOL

Oh, I'm looking at the tower booklet that came with the Thermaltake VA8000B
Series and the fan that I had to just adjust and secure into place, it fell
out when I opened the side panel laying down the whole PC, and I see it's a
top exhaust fan right next to the power supply. Now the Zalman CPNS9700 LED
cooler is arranged so that the fan is blowing the air downward towards the
bottom of the PC and Video Card and PCI slots. I'm not sure but the Zalman
emblem is pointing that way, downward towards the PCI Express x16 slot and
the 3 PCI Express x1 slots. Probably that's the way the hot air is going to
be blowing because the other side has the wire that connects to the fan
controller, that connects to the CPU fan connector on the mobo. I"m going to
have to take it off, clean both the CPU and the Zalman cooler of thermal
paste. It's been connected and the thermal paste has been on for 2 days now.
Well, lets see which way the wind blows before I blow it. LOL
Ok, it seems like one troubleshoot problem after another. I know what my PC
tech teacher said when he said " I don't want to fix another PC again if I
have to" .
Alright, lets not be negative. It's good practice anyhow.
Lets go on, now I have to install the floppy, optical drive, and finally
the hard drive.
Oh, I have another question or want your opinion. Should I use the hard
drive that I'm using now on my Dell 8300, or use a brand new hard drive I
have sitting in my closet box? Lets take a look, brb.
-- Ok, back 25 mins later. Lets take a look, yeah this is a Seagate Ultra
ATA hard drive, model : ST380011A, Baracuda 7200.7 80 GBs. I think about a
year ago I read some bad reviews from newegg.com about it. Also, I believe it
got an average rating. I've had it sitting in a box in my closet for 2 or 3
years. What is your thoughts about this hard drive or just using my old hard
drive in my Dell 8300. I was thinking about using this hard drive as the
master and the old hard drive in my Dell 8300, it's a single-master drive, as
a slave.
In most of my PCs I usually use only 1 hard drive. I figure it's easier to
handle. I do put dirives into the slave position when I want to clean them
off completely and format them. I know there is an easier way, and I've been
told to create a BART disk, or boot disk from a floppy that I can format the
hard drive that needs to be wiped factory clean. In fact, in PC Magazine I've
read articles on creating a boot disk. I've really not given much to creating
a BART disk. That should be something I should learn. No, I've created floppy
boot diskettes and I have one sitting in the draw. Here's the first floppy,
Windows 98 Boot Disc, here's another, Windows ME start up disk, is that the
same? Ok, lets move on, another is a six-set of Windows XP Home edition, next
is a six-set of Windows XP Pro edition. So, I'm not sure if I'm taking about
the same thing here, Windows 98 Boot Disk and all the others mentioned.
Alrighty, this is getting kinda longwinded again.
Thanks, attilathehun1
attilathehun1


"Paul" wrote:

attilathehun1 wrote:
snip

This is a question I want answered that has just started bothering me when
I read the box, unopened with plastic still wrapped, on the VisionTek, Radeon
HD 3870. I went to newegg.com and tried to get some reviews on it, but they
aren't offering the card. Now I bought it from Best Buy and I had to go all
the way to Mission Viejo to get it, well 2 of them, I bought the last 2. It
was on sale from $249.99 to $129.99, $120 dollars off. Even if I went to
newegg, I don't think I could get it that cheap. What do you think about
installing this card in my new PC. Or do you think I should upgrade to a
better more expensive card? Another thing about the card is the compatibility
with Intel. I'm reading more AMD on the box then Intel Pentium 4. It is ATI
Radeon Graphics though. Yeah and looking through the plastic, I can see the
ATI label.

Thanks, attilahthehun1


That is a pretty nice card, better than the 8400 you were talking
about getting. You can see here, the HD 3870 is 7x faster than
the 8400 GS.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...%2C1616%2C1584

The HD3870 uses 81.1 watts of power when gaming. So your power supply
should be big enough for that kind of load. It gets some power
through the PCI Express slot (flows through the main power cable), while
the rest of the power is through the extra connector on the end of the
card. Between the two of them, it uses 12V @ 6.62 amps and a little 3.3V.
This probably isn't a big deal, but as part of your training, you have
to be aware of power consumption. If you put too much hardware on
a tiny power supply, it could shut off or die in a puff of smoke.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...70-3850_5.html

Your power supply also needs a power cable of the right type, to plug
into the connector on the card. You can see the black connector in the
upper right hand end of the card, here. That card has what looks
like a VF900 cooler, but you'll notice they used a copper heat
spreader, rather than the tiny taped-on RAM heat sinks :-)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814129100

For your ECS GF6100-M754 with S754 3200+ processor, there are at least four
different models of 3200+ processor. Three have 89W power consumption, and the
fourth has 59W. The 59W one is shown here. Your processor draws power
from the 12V rail also, and the processor and video card are the
major users. You'd want to look at the label on the side of the
supply, and get a rough idea of how many amps are available on
the +12V rail(s), for the load you plan on putting in the box.

http://products.amd.com/en-us/Deskto...il.aspx?id=127

If you install the motherboard drivers from the motherboard CD,
and the Catalyst drivers from the Visiontek CD, you should be
in good shape.

Paul

attilathehun1 wrote:


Oh, I'm looking at the tower booklet that came with the Thermaltake VA8000B
Series and the fan that I had to just adjust and secure into place, it fell
out when I opened the side panel laying down the whole PC, and I see it's a
top exhaust fan right next to the power supply. Now the Zalman CPNS9700 LED
cooler is arranged so that the fan is blowing the air downward towards the
bottom of the PC and Video Card and PCI slots. I'm not sure but the Zalman
emblem is pointing that way, downward towards the PCI Express x16 slot and
the 3 PCI Express x1 slots. Probably that's the way the hot air is going to
be blowing because the other side has the wire that connects to the fan
controller, that connects to the CPU fan connector on the mobo. I"m going to
have to take it off, clean both the CPU and the Zalman cooler of thermal
paste. It's been connected and the thermal paste has been on for 2 days now.
Well, lets see which way the wind blows before I blow it. LOL

Turn the Zalman, so the exhaust from its fan, goes towards the case cooling
fan that is going to exhaust the case. If the Zalman CNPS blows at the
video card, it'll raise the video card temperature, and possible make
the video card fan run harder than it has to.

Oh, I have another question or want your opinion. Should I use the hard
drive that I'm using now on my Dell 8300, or use a brand new hard drive I
have sitting in my closet box? Lets take a look, brb.
-- Ok, back 25 mins later. Lets take a look, yeah this is a Seagate Ultra
ATA hard drive, model : ST380011A, Baracuda 7200.7 80 GBs. I think about a
year ago I read some bad reviews from newegg.com about it. Also, I believe it
got an average rating. I've had it sitting in a box in my closet for 2 or 3
years. What is your thoughts about this hard drive or just using my old hard
drive in my Dell 8300. I was thinking about using this hard drive as the
master and the old hard drive in my Dell 8300, it's a single-master drive, as
a slave.

I have an ST380011A in my PC, and it is a reasonably quiet drive. It is not
the fastest drive on the block, but it's been working OK for a couple years.

The main thing about drives, regardless of their reputation or reviews, is
not to rely on just one. If you have a second drive, and make backups,
that will help you in the event of a failure.

I used to have a computer that was full of drives, but it wasn't a lot of
fun to sit next to it - too noisy.

In most of my PCs I usually use only 1 hard drive. I figure it's easier to
handle. I do put dirives into the slave position when I want to clean them
off completely and format them. I know there is an easier way, and I've been
told to create a BART disk, or boot disk from a floppy that I can format the
hard drive that needs to be wiped factory clean. In fact, in PC Magazine I've
read articles on creating a boot disk. I've really not given much to creating
a BART disk. That should be something I should learn. No, I've created floppy
boot diskettes and I have one sitting in the draw. Here's the first floppy,
Windows 98 Boot Disc, here's another, Windows ME start up disk, is that the
same? Ok, lets move on, another is a six-set of Windows XP Home edition, next
is a six-set of Windows XP Pro edition. So, I'm not sure if I'm taking about
the same thing here, Windows 98 Boot Disk and all the others mentioned.
Alrighty, this is getting kinda longwinded again.
Thanks, attilathehun1

Just get out your OS installer CD, and get to work :-)

Paul

Yeah your right, I need to install the floppy, the optical drive, Plextor
DVDR PX-716AL , and the hard drive. I might as well just use my old hard
drive and then I won't have to load up the optical drive, the Linksys
Wireless-G PCI Adaptor with SRX model #WMP54GX, and all the other bs devices.
Really, I'm thinking about buying a camcorder. There are 2 different ones
I'm looking at, but since it's from fingerhut, getting the model numbers
seems dificult. One is a JVC with a 30GB hard drive, which seems rare, a hard
drive on a camcorder. It's a JVC Enverio Hard Drive Camcorder. The item
#N5463 is maybe fingerhut's item number. The 30 GB hard drive is why I kinda
liike this. The other camcorder is a Sony DVD Camcorder but no hard drive and
just like other camcorders I've seen. This item# is K4107. Maybe the
traditional Sony is the way to go. I'm not sure. If you know anything about
camcorders or could get me some reviews on these, I'd be greatful. You seem
to know alot about PCs and probably about camcorders too. I don't know how
to attach websites the way you do. I can click on the attached websites on
your replies and it's very helpful.
Thanks, attilathehun1
--
attilathehun1


"Paul" wrote:

attilathehun1 wrote:


Oh, I'm looking at the tower booklet that came with the Thermaltake VA8000B
Series and the fan that I had to just adjust and secure into place, it fell
out when I opened the side panel laying down the whole PC, and I see it's a
top exhaust fan right next to the power supply. Now the Zalman CPNS9700 LED
cooler is arranged so that the fan is blowing the air downward towards the
bottom of the PC and Video Card and PCI slots. I'm not sure but the Zalman
emblem is pointing that way, downward towards the PCI Express x16 slot and
the 3 PCI Express x1 slots. Probably that's the way the hot air is going to
be blowing because the other side has the wire that connects to the fan
controller, that connects to the CPU fan connector on the mobo. I"m going to
have to take it off, clean both the CPU and the Zalman cooler of thermal
paste. It's been connected and the thermal paste has been on for 2 days now.
Well, lets see which way the wind blows before I blow it. LOL

Turn the Zalman, so the exhaust from its fan, goes towards the case cooling
fan that is going to exhaust the case. If the Zalman CNPS blows at the
video card, it'll raise the video card temperature, and possible make
the video card fan run harder than it has to.

Oh, I have another question or want your opinion. Should I use the hard
drive that I'm using now on my Dell 8300, or use a brand new hard drive I
have sitting in my closet box? Lets take a look, brb.
-- Ok, back 25 mins later. Lets take a look, yeah this is a Seagate Ultra
ATA hard drive, model : ST380011A, Baracuda 7200.7 80 GBs. I think about a
year ago I read some bad reviews from newegg.com about it. Also, I believe it
got an average rating. I've had it sitting in a box in my closet for 2 or 3
years. What is your thoughts about this hard drive or just using my old hard
drive in my Dell 8300. I was thinking about using this hard drive as the
master and the old hard drive in my Dell 8300, it's a single-master drive, as
a slave.

I have an ST380011A in my PC, and it is a reasonably quiet drive. It is not
the fastest drive on the block, but it's been working OK for a couple years.

The main thing about drives, regardless of their reputation or reviews, is
not to rely on just one. If you have a second drive, and make backups,
that will help you in the event of a failure.

I used to have a computer that was full of drives, but it wasn't a lot of
fun to sit next to it - too noisy.

In most of my PCs I usually use only 1 hard drive. I figure it's easier to
handle. I do put dirives into the slave position when I want to clean them
off completely and format them. I know there is an easier way, and I've been
told to create a BART disk, or boot disk from a floppy that I can format the
hard drive that needs to be wiped factory clean. In fact, in PC Magazine I've
read articles on creating a boot disk. I've really not given much to creating
a BART disk. That should be something I should learn. No, I've created floppy
boot diskettes and I have one sitting in the draw. Here's the first floppy,
Windows 98 Boot Disc, here's another, Windows ME start up disk, is that the
same? Ok, lets move on, another is a six-set of Windows XP Home edition, next
is a six-set of Windows XP Pro edition. So, I'm not sure if I'm taking about
the same thing here, Windows 98 Boot Disk and all the others mentioned.
Alrighty, this is getting kinda longwinded again.
Thanks, attilathehun1

Just get out your OS installer CD, and get to work :-)

Paul

attilathehun1 wrote:
Yeah your right, I need to install the floppy, the optical drive, Plextor
DVDR PX-716AL , and the hard drive. I might as well just use my old hard
drive and then I won't have to load up the optical drive, the Linksys
Wireless-G PCI Adaptor with SRX model #WMP54GX, and all the other bs devices.
Really, I'm thinking about buying a camcorder. There are 2 different ones
I'm looking at, but since it's from fingerhut, getting the model numbers
seems dificult. One is a JVC with a 30GB hard drive, which seems rare, a hard
drive on a camcorder. It's a JVC Enverio Hard Drive Camcorder. The item
#N5463 is maybe fingerhut's item number. The 30 GB hard drive is why I kinda
liike this. The other camcorder is a Sony DVD Camcorder but no hard drive and
just like other camcorders I've seen. This item# is K4107. Maybe the
traditional Sony is the way to go. I'm not sure. If you know anything about
camcorders or could get me some reviews on these, I'd be greatful. You seem
to know alot about PCs and probably about camcorders too. I don't know how
to attach websites the way you do. I can click on the attached websites on
your replies and it's very helpful.
Thanks, attilathehun1

There are other groups for cameras and video.

rec.video.desktop is a place with occasional discussions on video editing.

Paul

First off, I went to that website and couldn't find anything like this here.
Where you can put in a question and get a response. Maybe I didn't look hard
enough. You know, I'd like to go to Diablo 2 Exp. and I could talk to someone
live, and not have to wait this bs time to get a response. Nothing against
you, you've helped me out more than someone could ask. Also, you've been
prompt on your replies, but enough of patting ourselves on the back here, to
put it nicely. LOL
Ok, another thing I've noticed here, since I have my Dell 8300 unplugged
and the tower opened on floor in front of me. There is no side panel on this
Dell 8300, it's all one tower, you press on both sides of the tower and tug
upwards and it opens up to a 90 degrees angle. I see here that the hard drive
I've been using is the same damn model I was thinking about using, the one
that's been sitting unopened for 2 years in a box in my closet, a Seagate
Ultra ATA Barracuda 7200.7 80 GB, model # ST380011A. I've had the jumper on
cable select. I'm thinking about moving it back to master-single drive. I'm
not sure what the new cables that came with the mobo are, cable select or
regular.
Alrighty, even though record tempertures are happening in Los Angeles, and
it's suburbs, I have both PC towers on the floor, the Dell 8300 and the
Thermaltake VA8000B Series tower. Time to switch over the floppy, optical,
and hard drive.
I'll let you know in a while, the progress. I'll post this now though, and
check back in the middle of my installation to see if you have noticed
anything I'm doing wrong so far.
Thanks, attilathehun1
--
attilathehun1


"Paul" wrote:

attilathehun1 wrote:
Yeah your right, I need to install the floppy, the optical drive, Plextor
DVDR PX-716AL , and the hard drive. I might as well just use my old hard
drive and then I won't have to load up the optical drive, the Linksys
Wireless-G PCI Adaptor with SRX model #WMP54GX, and all the other bs devices.
Really, I'm thinking about buying a camcorder. There are 2 different ones
I'm looking at, but since it's from fingerhut, getting the model numbers
seems dificult. One is a JVC with a 30GB hard drive, which seems rare, a hard
drive on a camcorder. It's a JVC Enverio Hard Drive Camcorder. The item
#N5463 is maybe fingerhut's item number. The 30 GB hard drive is why I kinda
liike this. The other camcorder is a Sony DVD Camcorder but no hard drive and
just like other camcorders I've seen. This item# is K4107. Maybe the
traditional Sony is the way to go. I'm not sure. If you know anything about
camcorders or could get me some reviews on these, I'd be greatful. You seem
to know alot about PCs and probably about camcorders too. I don't know how
to attach websites the way you do. I can click on the attached websites on
your replies and it's very helpful.
Thanks, attilathehun1

There are other groups for cameras and video.

rec.video.desktop is a place with occasional discussions on video editing.

Paul

Ok, now I've done it. I decided to take a look at the Dell 8300 CPU chip and
unhooked the heatsink and pulled it out and the CPU chip is stuck to the
bottom of the heatsink. I read in some reply about what to do if the chip
sticks to the bottom of the heatsink, and I think it said something about
putting it into the freezer and then after a while, I don't know htf long,
take it out and use a staight edge razor blade and get it off that way.
You know, this is just one troubleshoot bs after another. I guess I can
look at it as good training. What if someone asked me to fix there PC and I
go over there and this happens.
Ok, that's the problem with that. But I'm moving on to the installation, so
I have a working PC. I have the chip and heatsink off on the dresser out of
direct light. The prongs on the chip are exposed.
Alright, lets move on. I'll get back to you in a while. I'll be looking for
your response.
Thanks, attilathehun1
--
attilathehun1


"Paul" wrote:

attilathehun1 wrote:
Yeah your right, I need to install the floppy, the optical drive, Plextor
DVDR PX-716AL , and the hard drive. I might as well just use my old hard
drive and then I won't have to load up the optical drive, the Linksys
Wireless-G PCI Adaptor with SRX model #WMP54GX, and all the other bs devices.
Really, I'm thinking about buying a camcorder. There are 2 different ones
I'm looking at, but since it's from fingerhut, getting the model numbers
seems dificult. One is a JVC with a 30GB hard drive, which seems rare, a hard
drive on a camcorder. It's a JVC Enverio Hard Drive Camcorder. The item
#N5463 is maybe fingerhut's item number. The 30 GB hard drive is why I kinda
liike this. The other camcorder is a Sony DVD Camcorder but no hard drive and
just like other camcorders I've seen. This item# is K4107. Maybe the
traditional Sony is the way to go. I'm not sure. If you know anything about
camcorders or could get me some reviews on these, I'd be greatful. You seem
to know alot about PCs and probably about camcorders too. I don't know how
to attach websites the way you do. I can click on the attached websites on
your replies and it's very helpful.
Thanks, attilathehun1

There are other groups for cameras and video.

rec.video.desktop is a place with occasional discussions on video editing.

Paul

Ok, now is the time for truth. Should I use the old hard drive that has all
my data on it, or the new hard drive and load up Windows XP Pro edition OS on
the new hard drive. Like I said before, by coincidence, and I don't believe
in coincidence too much, it's the same model hard drive as the one I've been
using stock from Dell on my 8300. Will there be a conflict of wtf of any kind
if I load up the new CPU chip and new mobo? They're both Intel products, and
I believe that's what Dell shipped, Intel.
Ok, I've installed both optical drives, well the Plexor DVDR PX-716AL as
the master and as the slave, the ho-chi-men drive, lol, for playing games.
I'm using the Plexor when I want to burn a CD or DVD. Ok, here goes, the
ho-chi-men drive is a DVD R/RW & CD-R/RW NEC drive, model #ND-1100A. The
floppy is next, but no, because the floppy doesn't have a black front plate
or any front plate at all. Now the new floppy drive I have is a white front
plate. I think I might have a black floppy front plate or black floppy drive
in the closet box of PC things. Lets skip over to installing the hard drive,
no, I want to wait until I speak with you about that. Then next is the
expansion cards, the video card, the sound card and the Linksys adaptor I
spoke of earlier. Oh dude, I just found a box in my closet that has brand new
hard drives, that makes 3 brand new hard drives so far. Ok, these 2 hard
drives are, a Samsung Spinpoint Serial ATA model #SP1614C. This drive is a
sata drive, there isn't any spot for a parallel IDE cable. This might be the
solution. Ok, the other drive is a Maxtor DiamondMax model #6E040L0 or a
6EO4OLO or a GE040L0 or a GEO4OLO. I can't tell the dif between the 0 or O
and the 6 or G. The model number is printed on a piece of white paper 2" x
1". It's been sitting in the closet for 2 years, at least.
Ok those are the options on the hard drives. What would you install, or
would you just skip all this bs and just use the old Seagate Barracuda 7200.7
that I've been using on my Dell 8300?
Until I hear from you, in the meantime I'll install the video, sound, and
wireless adaptor cards.
Thanks, attilathehun1
--
attilathehun1


"attilathehun1" wrote:

First off, I went to that website and couldn't find anything like this here.
Where you can put in a question and get a response. Maybe I didn't look hard
enough. You know, I'd like to go to Diablo 2 Exp. and I could talk to someone
live, and not have to wait this bs time to get a response. Nothing against
you, you've helped me out more than someone could ask. Also, you've been
prompt on your replies, but enough of patting ourselves on the back here, to
put it nicely. LOL
Ok, another thing I've noticed here, since I have my Dell 8300 unplugged
and the tower opened on floor in front of me. There is no side panel on this
Dell 8300, it's all one tower, you press on both sides of the tower and tug
upwards and it opens up to a 90 degrees angle. I see here that the hard drive
I've been using is the same damn model I was thinking about using, the one
that's been sitting unopened for 2 years in a box in my closet, a Seagate
Ultra ATA Barracuda 7200.7 80 GB, model # ST380011A. I've had the jumper on
cable select. I'm thinking about moving it back to master-single drive. I'm
not sure what the new cables that came with the mobo are, cable select or
regular.
Alrighty, even though record tempertures are happening in Los Angeles, and
it's suburbs, I have both PC towers on the floor, the Dell 8300 and the
Thermaltake VA8000B Series tower. Time to switch over the floppy, optical,
and hard drive.
I'll let you know in a while, the progress. I'll post this now though, and
check back in the middle of my installation to see if you have noticed
anything I'm doing wrong so far.
Thanks, attilathehun1
--
attilathehun1


"Paul" wrote:

attilathehun1 wrote:
Yeah your right, I need to install the floppy, the optical drive, Plextor
DVDR PX-716AL , and the hard drive. I might as well just use my old hard
drive and then I won't have to load up the optical drive, the Linksys
Wireless-G PCI Adaptor with SRX model #WMP54GX, and all the other bs devices.
Really, I'm thinking about buying a camcorder. There are 2 different ones
I'm looking at, but since it's from fingerhut, getting the model numbers
seems dificult. One is a JVC with a 30GB hard drive, which seems rare, a hard
drive on a camcorder. It's a JVC Enverio Hard Drive Camcorder. The item
#N5463 is maybe fingerhut's item number. The 30 GB hard drive is why I kinda
liike this. The other camcorder is a Sony DVD Camcorder but no hard drive and
just like other camcorders I've seen. This item# is K4107. Maybe the
traditional Sony is the way to go. I'm not sure. If you know anything about
camcorders or could get me some reviews on these, I'd be greatful. You seem
to know alot about PCs and probably about camcorders too. I don't know how
to attach websites the way you do. I can click on the attached websites on
your replies and it's very helpful.
Thanks, attilathehun1

There are other groups for cameras and video.

rec.video.desktop is a place with occasional discussions on video editing.

Paul

Ok, I've decided on using the old Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 80 GB hard drive.
That way I don't have to load a new OS on to a new drive, and I can always
change or upgrade to that sata drive later. I just want to get this thing up
and going so I have a PC that I can use, other than my laptop. My laptop as
you've already probably guessed is used for stock trading.
There is one thing that bugs me, and I know you'd know the answer. I just
called PC Club, a PC store right on the edge of Manhattan Beach towards
Hawthorne. Now the tech there didn't make much sense to me. I asked him what
the third option on the jumper diagram means. There are four options, oh no
there is 5 options, ok. The options are; master or single drive, drive is
slave, cable select, which I was using, and the fourth and the one that
bothers me is Master with non ATA-compatible slave. The fifth option limits
the drive to 32 GB, Alternate capacity. Limits drive to 32 Gbytes. The fourth
option, what is that? I think it means like using a zip drive as the slave,
or using I don't know wtf. What does that mean?
If you can answer that question, that's a question that's been bugging me
for 3 years. I just can't get a straight answer and just figured it was a zip
drive as a slave.
Thanks, attilathehun1
--
attilathehun1


"attilathehun1" wrote:

Yeah your right, I need to install the floppy, the optical drive, Plextor
DVDR PX-716AL , and the hard drive. I might as well just use my old hard
drive and then I won't have to load up the optical drive, the Linksys
Wireless-G PCI Adaptor with SRX model #WMP54GX, and all the other bs devices.
Really, I'm thinking about buying a camcorder. There are 2 different ones
I'm looking at, but since it's from fingerhut, getting the model numbers
seems dificult. One is a JVC with a 30GB hard drive, which seems rare, a hard
drive on a camcorder. It's a JVC Enverio Hard Drive Camcorder. The item
#N5463 is maybe fingerhut's item number. The 30 GB hard drive is why I kinda
liike this. The other camcorder is a Sony DVD Camcorder but no hard drive and
just like other camcorders I've seen. This item# is K4107. Maybe the
traditional Sony is the way to go. I'm not sure. If you know anything about
camcorders or could get me some reviews on these, I'd be greatful. You seem
to know alot about PCs and probably about camcorders too. I don't know how
to attach websites the way you do. I can click on the attached websites on
your replies and it's very helpful.
Thanks, attilathehun1
--
attilathehun1


"Paul" wrote:

attilathehun1 wrote:


Oh, I'm looking at the tower booklet that came with the Thermaltake VA8000B
Series and the fan that I had to just adjust and secure into place, it fell
out when I opened the side panel laying down the whole PC, and I see it's a
top exhaust fan right next to the power supply. Now the Zalman CPNS9700 LED
cooler is arranged so that the fan is blowing the air downward towards the
bottom of the PC and Video Card and PCI slots. I'm not sure but the Zalman
emblem is pointing that way, downward towards the PCI Express x16 slot and
the 3 PCI Express x1 slots. Probably that's the way the hot air is going to
be blowing because the other side has the wire that connects to the fan
controller, that connects to the CPU fan connector on the mobo. I"m going to
have to take it off, clean both the CPU and the Zalman cooler of thermal
paste. It's been connected and the thermal paste has been on for 2 days now.
Well, lets see which way the wind blows before I blow it. LOL

Turn the Zalman, so the exhaust from its fan, goes towards the case cooling
fan that is going to exhaust the case. If the Zalman CNPS blows at the
video card, it'll raise the video card temperature, and possible make
the video card fan run harder than it has to.

Oh, I have another question or want your opinion. Should I use the hard
drive that I'm using now on my Dell 8300, or use a brand new hard drive I
have sitting in my closet box? Lets take a look, brb.
-- Ok, back 25 mins later. Lets take a look, yeah this is a Seagate Ultra
ATA hard drive, model : ST380011A, Baracuda 7200.7 80 GBs. I think about a
year ago I read some bad reviews from newegg.com about it. Also, I believe it
got an average rating. I've had it sitting in a box in my closet for 2 or 3
years. What is your thoughts about this hard drive or just using my old hard
drive in my Dell 8300. I was thinking about using this hard drive as the
master and the old hard drive in my Dell 8300, it's a single-master drive, as
a slave.

I have an ST380011A in my PC, and it is a reasonably quiet drive. It is not
the fastest drive on the block, but it's been working OK for a couple years.

The main thing about drives, regardless of their reputation or reviews, is
not to rely on just one. If you have a second drive, and make backups,
that will help you in the event of a failure.

I used to have a computer that was full of drives, but it wasn't a lot of
fun to sit next to it - too noisy.

In most of my PCs I usually use only 1 hard drive. I figure it's easier to
handle. I do put dirives into the slave position when I want to clean them
off completely and format them. I know there is an easier way, and I've been
told to create a BART disk, or boot disk from a floppy that I can format the
hard drive that needs to be wiped factory clean. In fact, in PC Magazine I've
read articles on creating a boot disk. I've really not given much to creating
a BART disk. That should be something I should learn. No, I've created floppy
boot diskettes and I have one sitting in the draw. Here's the first floppy,
Windows 98 Boot Disc, here's another, Windows ME start up disk, is that the
same? Ok, lets move on, another is a six-set of Windows XP Home edition, next
is a six-set of Windows XP Pro edition. So, I'm not sure if I'm taking about
the same thing here, Windows 98 Boot Disk and all the others mentioned.
Alrighty, this is getting kinda longwinded again.
Thanks, attilathehun1

Just get out your OS installer CD, and get to work :-)

Paul

Alright, I'm at a crossroads here. There is only one IDE connector on the
mobo and a bunch of sata connectors. I guess sata is the way to go nowadays
with new mobos. I do have a sata drive too. You know, I'm fed up. It's hot,
I'm just kicked out someone who was helping me with holding a flashlight.
He's 46 and talking about his mother is going to get mad and looking at his
watch every 2 minutes. You'd kick someone out too, if they were doing that
and were supposed to be helping you. He just got his Tune-up Masters uniform
and I had pity on him and had him come by. Anyways, turns out, he wasn't on
his way home! On his way to get another malt liquor. That ****ed me off more
than anything seeing that alcoholic riding his bicycle towards the liquor
store. That moron. Look up the definition of a moron. Someone 8 years of age
or younger or someone who has to be told exactly what to do all of the time.
The malt liquor combined with 1mg xanax and his memory is shot. I asked him
the other day if he knew how to wipe his ass and he took the question
seriously. If breathing wasn't an involuntary act, he would suffocate Enough
said?
I'm sorry you had to even hear about this, it has nothing to do with
computers. I'm just a bit ****ed off here because I just found out there is
only one IDE connector on the motherboard.
That brings me to my question.
What should be used in the master position, the hard drive or the optical
drive? I'm thinking to use the hard drive in the master position and the
optical drive in the slave position.
This birngs me to the question I asked earlier, about the 3rd option on the
jumpers. Master with a non ATA-compatible drive. Does this qualify as that?
Alright, I just told my brother that I won't have a computer tonight, but I
do have this one. The HP pavilion 503n PC.
--
attilathehun1


"attilathehun1" wrote:

First off, I went to that website and couldn't find anything like this here.
Where you can put in a question and get a response. Maybe I didn't look hard
enough. You know, I'd like to go to Diablo 2 Exp. and I could talk to someone
live, and not have to wait this bs time to get a response. Nothing against
you, you've helped me out more than someone could ask. Also, you've been
prompt on your replies, but enough of patting ourselves on the back here, to
put it nicely. LOL
Ok, another thing I've noticed here, since I have my Dell 8300 unplugged
and the tower opened on floor in front of me. There is no side panel on this
Dell 8300, it's all one tower, you press on both sides of the tower and tug
upwards and it opens up to a 90 degrees angle. I see here that the hard drive
I've been using is the same damn model I was thinking about using, the one
that's been sitting unopened for 2 years in a box in my closet, a Seagate
Ultra ATA Barracuda 7200.7 80 GB, model # ST380011A. I've had the jumper on
cable select. I'm thinking about moving it back to master-single drive. I'm
not sure what the new cables that came with the mobo are, cable select or
regular.
Alrighty, even though record tempertures are happening in Los Angeles, and
it's suburbs, I have both PC towers on the floor, the Dell 8300 and the
Thermaltake VA8000B Series tower. Time to switch over the floppy, optical,
and hard drive.
I'll let you know in a while, the progress. I'll post this now though, and
check back in the middle of my installation to see if you have noticed
anything I'm doing wrong so far.
Thanks, attilathehun1
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attilathehun1


"Paul" wrote:

attilathehun1 wrote:
Yeah your right, I need to install the floppy, the optical drive, Plextor
DVDR PX-716AL , and the hard drive. I might as well just use my old hard
drive and then I won't have to load up the optical drive, the Linksys
Wireless-G PCI Adaptor with SRX model #WMP54GX, and all the other bs devices.
Really, I'm thinking about buying a camcorder. There are 2 different ones
I'm looking at, but since it's from fingerhut, getting the model numbers
seems dificult. One is a JVC with a 30GB hard drive, which seems rare, a hard
drive on a camcorder. It's a JVC Enverio Hard Drive Camcorder. The item
#N5463 is maybe fingerhut's item number. The 30 GB hard drive is why I kinda
liike this. The other camcorder is a Sony DVD Camcorder but no hard drive and
just like other camcorders I've seen. This item# is K4107. Maybe the
traditional Sony is the way to go. I'm not sure. If you know anything about
camcorders or could get me some reviews on these, I'd be greatful. You seem
to know alot about PCs and probably about camcorders too. I don't know how
to attach websites the way you do. I can click on the attached websites on
your replies and it's very helpful.
Thanks, attilathehun1

There are other groups for cameras and video.

rec.video.desktop is a place with occasional discussions on video editing.

Paul

attilathehun1 wrote:
First off, I went to that website and couldn't find anything like this here.
Where you can put in a question and get a response. Maybe I didn't look hard
enough. You know, I'd like to go to Diablo 2 Exp. and I could talk to someone
live, and not have to wait this bs time to get a response. Nothing against
you, you've helped me out more than someone could ask. Also, you've been
prompt on your replies, but enough of patting ourselves on the back here, to
put it nicely. LOL
Ok, another thing I've noticed here, since I have my Dell 8300 unplugged
and the tower opened on floor in front of me. There is no side panel on this
Dell 8300, it's all one tower, you press on both sides of the tower and tug
upwards and it opens up to a 90 degrees angle. I see here that the hard drive
I've been using is the same damn model I was thinking about using, the one
that's been sitting unopened for 2 years in a box in my closet, a Seagate
Ultra ATA Barracuda 7200.7 80 GB, model # ST380011A. I've had the jumper on
cable select. I'm thinking about moving it back to master-single drive. I'm
not sure what the new cables that came with the mobo are, cable select or
regular.
Alrighty, even though record tempertures are happening in Los Angeles, and
it's suburbs, I have both PC towers on the floor, the Dell 8300 and the
Thermaltake VA8000B Series tower. Time to switch over the floppy, optical,
and hard drive.
I'll let you know in a while, the progress. I'll post this now though, and
check back in the middle of my installation to see if you have noticed
anything I'm doing wrong so far.
Thanks, attilathehun1

*******
USENET news was around before a lot of the other "chat room" style
technologies. It is non-real time, meaning I respond when I have
a moment to spend, and getting a reply within one day (24 hours)
is considered doing well.

A chat room implies perhaps a smaller user population, fewer people
seeing what is going on, and able to chime in and help. USENET is
distributed world wide, and people in Russia or China could just
as easily be reading your posting, as I can here in Canada. So what
USENET lacks in speed of response, it more than makes up for in
potential to reach the maximum number of people.

When you post a message, it propagates from server to server. Each
server has incoming and outgoing feeds. Message propagation is
actually amazingly fast these days, whereas when I first started
using USENET, part of the delay was for the actual message to
get world wide distribution.

To connect to USENET, and see thousands of discussion groups (with
fixed topic discussion in each one), do this.

1) Get a tool that can be used as a news reader. I use Thunderbird from
mozilla.org . Latest version is 2.0.0.14 . Thunderbird can handle
regular email, and can also talk to USENET servers.

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/

2) Go to File:New:Account. That will start an account setup window.
3) Click the bottom button "Newsgroup account".
4) For User Name, you could use "attilathehun1". For the (fake or otherwise)
email address, you could use ".
That would be the equivalent to what you're doing now. Or you could
use a Gmail account or something, if you really want people to be
able to reach you (or spam you). The discussions.microsoft.com domain
is what is used by the Microsoft server you're currently using, where the
Microsoft server is connected to USENET. You can see I use a bogus email
address for this field. (I've kept this bogus address, even though it is
not the best choice format wise, to make it easier to search for my posts
on Google later. So what you pick, should be consistent if you want your
stuff to be accessible five years from now.)
5) On the news page, it'll ask for newsgroup server, and "news.aioe.org"
requires no registration. So is a good server to start with.
6) Account name can be the same as the newsgroup server if you want. It
isn't important, except as an identifier in the left-hand pane of
the main Thunderbird window.
7) You can review the settings later, by using "Review settings for this
account". For example, you can check that the "Server Settings" are
pointed to port 119. Also, for servers that use authentication, there
is a tick box to enable you to use acct/password with the server.
8) Next, click on "Manage newsgroup subscriptions". This is where you pick
what news groups to read and post to. Type "alt.test" in the search
box, then click the tick box next to the line with exactly "alt.test" in
it. You can use "alt.test" for sending a test posting. It is not considered
appropriate to pump test posts, into some other kind of group. Each group
has a purpose. Like "alt.flame" is where you go to blow off steam.
9) You should now see "a.test" in the left-hand pane, underneath the new
account "news.aioe.org". When you click on a.test (shortened form of alt.test),
Thunderbird will connect to the server and download "headers". These consist
of just the Subject line of people's posts, but not the body of the message.
alt.test is "high traffic", so you only want to download 500 of them, leaving
the rest on the server.
10) Do New:Message, and compose a test to alt.test. alt.test should be the
currently selected group. In the composition window, the area below your
identity, is a list of newsgroups to send to. Try just one at a time,
until you learn the consequences of messing further with this area.
11) Set a descriptive subject, like "My first post", in the Subject line.
12) Put some text in the body of the message. Click the Send button. Now,
the Compose window will disappear, and people in Russia will be able to
see your new alt.test message.

To subscribe to rec.video.desktop, go back to Manage Subscriptions, and
type rec.video.desktop, into the search bar. Click the check box for the
appropriate group from the returned list. You'll see "r.v.desktop" in the
left-hand pane.

When you click on a new choice in the newsgroup window, or open the main
news.aioe.org account, the newsgroups "refresh". New headers are read
and added to the display. When you posted that message to alt.test, you
won't be able to see your handywork, until you refresh the displayed
window. So don't panic :-)

Note that "Google Groups" also ties into this USENET system, and has
similar posting capability. But some people filter off Google posts,
so not all readers will look at your post if it came via the Google
interface to USENEt. The "Google Groups" interface may be easier to
use, but hard to say, as I don't use it.

news.aioe.org has per-day posting limits, so for that server with its
lack of registration, you cannot use it as a "chat room". Sending
multiple one line postings would rapidly use up your day's allotment.
Paying for commercial USENET servers, would remove some of the
restrictions necessary to run a registration-free news service.
(The operator has to stop spammers somehow, by having a "safety valve"
against massive numbers of posts. That is why AIOE has all sorts of
seemingly random rule imposed.)

*******

So I hope that is enough to allow you to connect to rec.video.desktop,
or find some group that discusses camcorders. Some groups on USENET
have next to no traffic in them, or perhaps are filled with spam,
so not every choice of the thousands available, will be a useful
place to post to.

You can use groups.google.com , and search on "camcorder" there, to
get some idea of the newsgroups that might discuss camcorders. I
use groups.google.com, to search for my postings from five years
ago.

Paul

attilathehun1 wrote:
Ok, now is the time for truth. Should I use the old hard drive that has all
my data on it, or the new hard drive and load up Windows XP Pro edition OS on
the new hard drive. Like I said before, by coincidence, and I don't believe
in coincidence too much, it's the same model hard drive as the one I've been
using stock from Dell on my 8300. Will there be a conflict of wtf of any kind
if I load up the new CPU chip and new mobo? They're both Intel products, and
I believe that's what Dell shipped, Intel.
Ok, I've installed both optical drives, well the Plexor DVDR PX-716AL as
the master and as the slave, the ho-chi-men drive, lol, for playing games.
I'm using the Plexor when I want to burn a CD or DVD. Ok, here goes, the
ho-chi-men drive is a DVD R/RW & CD-R/RW NEC drive, model #ND-1100A. The
floppy is next, but no, because the floppy doesn't have a black front plate
or any front plate at all. Now the new floppy drive I have is a white front
plate. I think I might have a black floppy front plate or black floppy drive
in the closet box of PC things. Lets skip over to installing the hard drive,
no, I want to wait until I speak with you about that. Then next is the
expansion cards, the video card, the sound card and the Linksys adaptor I
spoke of earlier. Oh dude, I just found a box in my closet that has brand new
hard drives, that makes 3 brand new hard drives so far. Ok, these 2 hard
drives are, a Samsung Spinpoint Serial ATA model #SP1614C. This drive is a
sata drive, there isn't any spot for a parallel IDE cable. This might be the
solution. Ok, the other drive is a Maxtor DiamondMax model #6E040L0 or a
6EO4OLO or a GE040L0 or a GEO4OLO. I can't tell the dif between the 0 or O
and the 6 or G. The model number is printed on a piece of white paper 2" x
1". It's been sitting in the closet for 2 years, at least.
Ok those are the options on the hard drives. What would you install, or
would you just skip all this bs and just use the old Seagate Barracuda 7200.7
that I've been using on my Dell 8300?
Until I hear from you, in the meantime I'll install the video, sound, and
wireless adaptor cards.
Thanks, attilathehun1

I recommend keeping things simple.

If your hard drive and optical drive are IDE (ribbon cable based), then
to install Windows, you'd put them onto the same cable. (Because modern
motherboards only have one IDE connector.) If some of your gear has SATA
connectors, then you'd have more freedom in your setup. The "best"
SATA connectors on your board, will be the ones hosted by the ICH9R
Southbridge.

Plug the new hard drive, and an optical drive capable of reading the Windows
installer CD, into whatever interface is available. If IDE, you have to
set both to cable select, or set one to master and the other to slave.

By having only one hard drive connected, there will be no confusion
as to where the Windows install will go. What I do at this point, is
use my label maker, and make a label that says "WinXP motherboard_name",
so that if the drive is disconnected and thrown in a closet, three years
from now, I'll know what hardware config it will boot properly. Otherwise,
looking at a bunch of identical drives, I'd have no idea what was on them.

If you reuse the drive from the Dell, then you cannot boot the Dell again.
So that would be a mistake. *Always* have a spare computer around, so
you can get help, or fresh downloads etc. The Dell may have a recovery
partition, and maybe you didn't make any recovery CDs etc. So trashing
the Dell drive would be a mistake at this point. If you plan on selling
the Dell, or getting rid of it, a major part of its value is potentially
contained within that hard drive.

I assume this is the motherboard:

GA-EP35C-DS3R

There are two chips for the storage interfaces. The ICH9R and the
chip that controls the IDE plus two SATA connectors. Both SATA
interfaces support vanilla disk mode, AHCI, and RAID. Vanilla disk
mode can use the native (PCI bus based) driver available in WinXP SP1
or later. For AHCI or RAID mode, you'd want to prepare a floppy with
drivers on it, for the boot disk. When Windows is installing,
you'll press F6 and offer the floppy with the drivers on it.
The floppy will have "txtsetup.oem" at the top level, and that
is part of what Windows uses, to look at the floppy info.

The GA-EP35C-DS3R manual, is actually good in the level of detail
it offers, as a number of other motherboards, leave this part to
your imagination.

And downloading the PDF version of the manual, from the gigabyte.com.tw
site, will make it easier to read. The paper copy provided in motherboard
boxes, at least for me, is too microscopic to be useful. You'll
need Acrobat Reader in order to read it.

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/...ProductID=2740

For more info on AHCI and RAID, you could start with one of these
articles. The most immediate value of AHCI, might be in supporting
hot-plugging, which allows connection of a SATA drive while the
computer is running (i.e. unplugging and replugging the data
cable). I'm not convinced NCQ is that big a deal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahci

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

If you have any plans of using RAID, then you plan for RAID from
day one, by enabling the RAID mode and using the RAID driver
on a floppy. It is hard to migrate to a RAID configuration
later, if the RAID driver was not installed during the initial
install. This is called being "RAID ready", in the Intel documentation.

HTH,
Paul

attilathehun1 wrote:
Alright, I'm at a crossroads here. There is only one IDE connector on the
mobo and a bunch of sata connectors. I guess sata is the way to go nowadays
with new mobos. I do have a sata drive too. You know, I'm fed up. It's hot,
I'm just kicked out someone who was helping me with holding a flashlight.
He's 46 and talking about his mother is going to get mad and looking at his
watch every 2 minutes. You'd kick someone out too, if they were doing that
and were supposed to be helping you. He just got his Tune-up Masters uniform
and I had pity on him and had him come by. Anyways, turns out, he wasn't on
his way home! On his way to get another malt liquor. That ****ed me off more
than anything seeing that alcoholic riding his bicycle towards the liquor
store. That moron. Look up the definition of a moron. Someone 8 years of age
or younger or someone who has to be told exactly what to do all of the time.
The malt liquor combined with 1mg xanax and his memory is shot. I asked him
the other day if he knew how to wipe his ass and he took the question
seriously. If breathing wasn't an involuntary act, he would suffocate Enough
said?
I'm sorry you had to even hear about this, it has nothing to do with
computers. I'm just a bit ****ed off here because I just found out there is
only one IDE connector on the motherboard.
That brings me to my question.
What should be used in the master position, the hard drive or the optical
drive? I'm thinking to use the hard drive in the master position and the
optical drive in the slave position.
This birngs me to the question I asked earlier, about the 3rd option on the
jumpers. Master with a non ATA-compatible drive. Does this qualify as that?
Alright, I just told my brother that I won't have a computer tonight, but I
do have this one. The HP pavilion 503n PC.

On modern ATA/ATAPI devices, it isn't supposed to matter which is
master and which is slave. In fact, the two devices can run at independent
speeds on the bus. In the past, there were exceptions and compatibility issues.
And it seems to me, the main value of Cable Select, versus master slave,
is when one mode doesn't work, and you need something else to try :-)

I've heard of Master, Slave, Cable Select, and on WD drives, Master only
(where there is no slave present). Other brands of drives use the same
"Master" setting, whether a Slave is present or not.

Paul