"Shutting down" in Win 8?

I have W8.1 and when I "shut down", everything turns off but, my
accident, I pressed a key on the keyboard and the computer woke up, went
through the boot and into Windows. WTF?

I tried it with Linux on the same machine and touching the keyboard does
nothing. The keyboard is not USB, it's the old kind (forget the name).
This is a desktop.

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Blue

"Blue" wrote in message
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I have W8.1 and when I "shut down", everything turns off but, my accident,
I pressed a key on the keyboard and the computer woke up, went through the
boot and into Windows. WTF?

I tried it with Linux on the same machine and touching the keyboard does
nothing. The keyboard is not USB, it's the old kind (forget the name).
This is a desktop.


That's usually a combination of a BIOS setting and an OS setting. Since you
have a PS/2 KB, I would assume (yeah, I know what that means) you'd have to
disable it in BIOS. Check your manual on how to enter BIOS on boot-up (if
you don't already know), then look for Power or APM Management settings.
There should be an enable/disable setting for Keyboard PowerOn and Mouse
PowerOn.
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SC Tom

SC Tom wrote:


"Blue" wrote in message
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I have W8.1 and when I "shut down", everything turns off but, my
accident, I pressed a key on the keyboard and the computer woke up,
went through the boot and into Windows. WTF?

I tried it with Linux on the same machine and touching the keyboard
does nothing. The keyboard is not USB, it's the old kind (forget the
name). This is a desktop.


That's usually a combination of a BIOS setting and an OS setting. Since
you have a PS/2 KB, I would assume (yeah, I know what that means) you'd
have to disable it in BIOS. Check your manual on how to enter BIOS on
boot-up (if you don't already know), then look for Power or APM
Management settings. There should be an enable/disable setting for
Keyboard PowerOn and Mouse PowerOn.

Then why does it really shut down when running Linux or XP on the same
machine (each OS is on a different hard drive)?

In the BIOS, Power On is disabled for everything.

--
Blue

"Blue" wrote in message
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SC Tom wrote:


"Blue" wrote in message
...
I have W8.1 and when I "shut down", everything turns off but, my
accident, I pressed a key on the keyboard and the computer woke up,
went through the boot and into Windows. WTF?

I tried it with Linux on the same machine and touching the keyboard
does nothing. The keyboard is not USB, it's the old kind (forget the
name). This is a desktop.


That's usually a combination of a BIOS setting and an OS setting. Since
you have a PS/2 KB, I would assume (yeah, I know what that means) you'd
have to disable it in BIOS. Check your manual on how to enter BIOS on
boot-up (if you don't already know), then look for Power or APM
Management settings. There should be an enable/disable setting for
Keyboard PowerOn and Mouse PowerOn.

Then why does it really shut down when running Linux or XP on the same
machine (each OS is on a different hard drive)?

In the BIOS, Power On is disabled for everything.

Win8/8.1 doesn't "really" shut down unless you have Fast Startup disabled;
it goes into a hybrid hibernation. That can be disabled:

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/6320-fast-startup-turn-off-windows-8-a.html

Also, look in Device Manager for your keyboard and see if there are any
Power settings for it there. I don't have PS/2 KB to check it, but I know
the USB ones (and mice) have a "Allow this device to wake computer" setting.
Maybe your KB has that setting?
--
SC Tom

Blue wrote:
SC Tom wrote:


"Blue" wrote in message
...
I have W8.1 and when I "shut down", everything turns off but, my
accident, I pressed a key on the keyboard and the computer woke up,
went through the boot and into Windows. WTF?

I tried it with Linux on the same machine and touching the keyboard
does nothing. The keyboard is not USB, it's the old kind (forget the
name). This is a desktop.


That's usually a combination of a BIOS setting and an OS setting. Since
you have a PS/2 KB, I would assume (yeah, I know what that means) you'd
have to disable it in BIOS. Check your manual on how to enter BIOS on
boot-up (if you don't already know), then look for Power or APM
Management settings. There should be an enable/disable setting for
Keyboard PowerOn and Mouse PowerOn.

Then why does it really shut down when running Linux or XP on the same
machine (each OS is on a different hard drive)?

In the BIOS, Power On is disabled for everything.


One way to stop that for sure, is to remove standby power (+5VSB)
from feeding the PS/2 connectors. On some of my motherboards
here, there is a 1x3 set of pins, and a jumper across two of the
pins, selects the power source. The jumper can occupy two positions,
one position is for +5VSB (wake is possible), the other is for
+5V (wake cannot happen). The +5V turns off when the fans stop
spinning, whereas +5VSB continues to run even when the fans
are off.

Note - many modern motherboards have removed those power jumper
options, and then you're left with BIOS control only, in the
Power Management menu (Wake On settings).

Some BIOS "Wake on PS/2", include a necessary key sequence.
Like shift-space or something. There will also be a setting
where "Any Key" triggers waking.

You will also occasionally find a time sensitivity. For
example, on my current system, if I shut down the computer,
let the fans stop spinning for two seconds, if I hit the keyboard,
it starts up again. If I wait sixty seconds, and hit the
keyboard, nothing happens. I have no idea what node remains
powered inside the computer, to make that possible. This is
presumably an "analog" effect of some sort, like the power
still draining off some capacitor near the Southbridge
or SuperI/O chip. The SuperI/O has the PS/2 interface on it,
while the Southbridge has some of the power management (PME)
functions on it.

Paul

SC Tom wrote:
Also, look in Device Manager for your keyboard and see if there are any
Power settings for it there. I don't have PS/2 KB to check it, but I
know the USB ones (and mice) have a "Allow this device to wake computer"
setting. Maybe your KB has that setting?

Yes, it does and by disabling it, the problem has gone away. Thanks.

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Blue

"Blue" wrote in message
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SC Tom wrote:
Also, look in Device Manager for your keyboard and see if there are any
Power settings for it there. I don't have PS/2 KB to check it, but I
know the USB ones (and mice) have a "Allow this device to wake computer"
setting. Maybe your KB has that setting?

Yes, it does and by disabling it, the problem has gone away. Thanks.

You're welcome :-)
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SC Tom

On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:19:11 -0600, "Leo" wrote:


Frankenstein (w8) doesn't shut down when you tell it to. It exits
all your programs and goes into suspension.


Not true. It always shuts down when I tell it to here.

Blue wrote:
I have W8.1 and when I "shut down", everything turns off but, my
accident, I pressed a key on the keyboard and the computer woke up, went
through the boot and into Windows. WTF?

I tried it with Linux on the same machine and touching the keyboard does
nothing. The keyboard is not USB, it's the old kind (forget the name).
This is a desktop.

In win8.1
- using Fast Shutdown, Sleep, Hibernation, Hybrid Shutdown ????

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 2/23/2014 8:22 AM, Paul wrote:
One way to stop that for sure, is to remove standby power (+5VSB)
from feeding the PS/2 connectors. On some of my motherboards
here, there is a 1x3 set of pins, and a jumper across two of the
pins, selects the power source. The jumper can occupy two positions,
one position is for +5VSB (wake is possible), the other is for
+5V (wake cannot happen). The +5V turns off when the fans stop
spinning, whereas +5VSB continues to run even when the fans
are off.

Note - many modern motherboards have removed those power jumper
options, and then you're left with BIOS control only, in the
Power Management menu (Wake On settings).

Some BIOS "Wake on PS/2", include a necessary key sequence.
Like shift-space or something. There will also be a setting
where "Any Key" triggers waking.

You will also occasionally find a time sensitivity. For
example, on my current system, if I shut down the computer,
let the fans stop spinning for two seconds, if I hit the keyboard,
it starts up again. If I wait sixty seconds, and hit the
keyboard, nothing happens. I have no idea what node remains
powered inside the computer, to make that possible. This is
presumably an "analog" effect of some sort, like the power
still draining off some capacitor near the Southbridge
or SuperI/O chip. The SuperI/O has the PS/2 interface on it,
while the Southbridge has some of the power management (PME)
functions on it.

One of my Gateway M465 laptops (which I almost always run them in a
docking station) has Windows 8 on it. And I have an USB wireless
keyboard and mouse connected to the dock. And in standby, the USB are
still powered. And having Windows 8 in standby, the wireless keyboard or
mouse will wake it back up again. Neither XP or 7 acts this way.

Another odd thing about these machines is that you can't generally turn
them on and walk away (the same for XP, 7, and 8). As in about 5 minutes
without any keyboard or mouse movement, the machine powers back down
again. More oddly, is my AverMedia TV software can wake up the machine
to record a scheduled program. And the machine stays powered on until it
is told to do otherwise.

My other two Windows 8 machines are tablets and I haven't noticed any of
these behaviors yet. They too are sometimes docked as well.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

"...winston‫" wrote:
Blue wrote:
I have W8.1 and when I "shut down", everything turns off but, my
accident, I pressed a key on the keyboard and the computer woke up, went
through the boot and into Windows. WTF?

I tried it with Linux on the same machine and touching the keyboard does
nothing. The keyboard is not USB, it's the old kind (forget the name).
This is a desktop.

In win8.1
- using Fast Shutdown, Sleep, Hibernation, Hybrid Shutdown ????


What I'm using is a right click on what used to be the start button/Shut
down or Sleep/Shut down.

--
Blue

BillW50 wrote:


One of my Gateway M465 laptops (which I almost always run them in a
docking station) has Windows 8 on it. And I have an USB wireless
keyboard and mouse connected to the dock. And in standby, the USB are
still powered. And having Windows 8 in standby, the wireless keyboard or
mouse will wake it back up again. Neither XP or 7 acts this way.

Another odd thing about these machines is that you can't generally turn
them on and walk away (the same for XP, 7, and 8). As in about 5 minutes
without any keyboard or mouse movement, the machine powers back down
again. More oddly, is my AverMedia TV software can wake up the machine
to record a scheduled program. And the machine stays powered on until it
is told to do otherwise.

My other two Windows 8 machines are tablets and I haven't noticed any of
these behaviors yet. They too are sometimes docked as well.


I've heard of that "no activity" response before. But I don't know
what's doing that. Never see it here. If I start a computer
here, it remains running. Maybe it's a Windows login setting ?

Paul

On 2/25/2014 11:18 AM, Paul wrote:
BillW50 wrote:


One of my Gateway M465 laptops (which I almost always run them in a
docking station) has Windows 8 on it. And I have an USB wireless
keyboard and mouse connected to the dock. And in standby, the USB are
still powered. And having Windows 8 in standby, the wireless keyboard
or mouse will wake it back up again. Neither XP or 7 acts this way.

Another odd thing about these machines is that you can't generally
turn them on and walk away (the same for XP, 7, and 8). As in about 5
minutes without any keyboard or mouse movement, the machine powers
back down again. More oddly, is my AverMedia TV software can wake up
the machine to record a scheduled program. And the machine stays
powered on until it is told to do otherwise.

My other two Windows 8 machines are tablets and I haven't noticed any
of these behaviors yet. They too are sometimes docked as well.

I've heard of that "no activity" response before. But I don't know
what's doing that. Never see it here. If I start a computer
here, it remains running. Maybe it's a Windows login setting ?

I've only seen it on business class laptops. And while I have heard many
horror stories of a laptop turning on inside of a laptop bag. And of
course, there isn't any ventilation in such a case, laptops have been
known to overheat and cause permanent damage.

So it is just a guess on my part that this was designed to prevent a
laptop from accidentally powering up without any open space to
ventilate. It is probably a pretty safe bet that most laptops can
operate without ventilation for the first 5 minutes without harm. And I
guess it then assumes after 5 minutes without any keyboard or mouse
activity, it is best to power down.

I also don't think it has anything to do with Windows either. Since it
happens with Linux too. So I would think it is a BIOS function. I never
found anything in the manual about it, nor anything online. You would
think you would hear some complaining that their machines powers down
after 5 minutes or so, but I never heard any link to this.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

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said:

On 02/24/2014 03:19 PM, Leo wrote:
Try ALT plus F4.

Hi Leo,

That give you the choice of the regular shutdown (suspend).
Nothing about a real shutdown.

Umm... Why not? There should be a shutdown and a suspend option, plus
hibernate, depending on what the hardware is capable of doing.

--
If quitters never win, and winners never quit,
what fool came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"?

Blue wrote:

What I'm using is a right click on what used to be the start button/Shut
down or Sleep/Shut down.


Sorry for not being clear. I was not asking how you shutdown etc...but
whether or not certain configurations are in use.

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....winston
msft mvp consumer apps