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Old October 12th 18, 09:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Andy[_16_]
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Default O.T. Frequent movie stops

I use a Blu Ray player to play movies on Amazon Prime.

I have frequent problems with the movie stopping.

My dl speed is 12 Mbps.

I use an Ethernet cable from my router directly to my blue ray player.

And I have wifi turned off.

I used to use Netflix at 3.0 Mbps and never had any interruptions.

Any ideas?

Thanks.
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Old October 12th 18, 11:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default O.T. Frequent movie stops

Andy wrote:
I use a Blu Ray player to play movies on Amazon Prime.

I have frequent problems with the movie stopping.

My dl speed is 12 Mbps.

I use an Ethernet cable from my router directly to my blue ray player.

And I have wifi turned off.

I used to use Netflix at 3.0 Mbps and never had any interruptions.

Any ideas?

Thanks.


For fun, you could try debugging playback with your
computer first. Just in case there's a network neutrality
issue, and your computer is going to suck at it too.

*******

It's the usual story. No real help. It is what it is.

"How to Solve Prime Video Issues on Your Computer"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201460940

"Prime Video System Requirements for Computers"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201422810

"Internet Connection

* Standard Definition (SD) videos: 900 Kbits/sec
* High Definition (HD) videos: 3.5 Mbits/sec"

*******

You can test your link with Speedtest.net or fast.com (browser!).
The fast.com is owned by Netflix. I get 14Mbps on fast.com
and 15.3Mbps on Speedtest. Nodes like that are not likely
to be "clamped" by network neutrality filtering. ISPs want
their results to be high, as a sales pitch. Even if real services
cannot use the link flat out.

*******

I don't know of an effective way to test a Bluray ethernet
playback path. The Bluray player would need a web interface
on it, to give some access to internal state info. And then
someone would have needed to engineer a speed test facility
inside it, to check for neutrality problems.

There might be other options like ChromeCast or
Roku, but I'm not a multimedia guy.

One really remote possibility, is there is a
MTU mismatch between the player and the router.
And packets are getting fragmented, to get through
the plumbing. Back in the shared media era of Ethernet,
I'd tell you to use a promiscuous receiver and a tool
similar to Wireshark, On current day Ethernet, I don't
know what I'd use to study the Bluray ethernet traffic.

I'd have to stuff a computer with two NICs on it, in
the "path" the Bluray player normally takes. That's
all I can think of, and then, I don't know what software
to use for such a beast. Maybe a Windows PC with two
NICs could use ICS (Internet Connection Sharing), and
the Bluray player would have to be 192.168.1.x or so.
And you'd need a way into it to set it up. Very messy.

Paul
  #3  
Old October 13th 18, 01:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
No_Name
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Default O.T. Frequent movie stops

On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 18:59:54 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Andy wrote:
I use a Blu Ray player to play movies on Amazon Prime.

I have frequent problems with the movie stopping.

My dl speed is 12 Mbps.

I use an Ethernet cable from my router directly to my blue ray player.

And I have wifi turned off.

I used to use Netflix at 3.0 Mbps and never had any interruptions.

Any ideas?

Thanks.


For fun, you could try debugging playback with your
computer first. Just in case there's a network neutrality
issue, and your computer is going to suck at it too.

*******

It's the usual story. No real help. It is what it is.

"How to Solve Prime Video Issues on Your Computer"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201460940

"Prime Video System Requirements for Computers"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201422810

"Internet Connection

* Standard Definition (SD) videos: 900 Kbits/sec
* High Definition (HD) videos: 3.5 Mbits/sec"

*******

You can test your link with Speedtest.net or fast.com (browser!).
The fast.com is owned by Netflix. I get 14Mbps on fast.com
and 15.3Mbps on Speedtest. Nodes like that are not likely
to be "clamped" by network neutrality filtering. ISPs want
their results to be high, as a sales pitch. Even if real services
cannot use the link flat out.

*******

I don't know of an effective way to test a Bluray ethernet
playback path. The Bluray player would need a web interface
on it, to give some access to internal state info. And then
someone would have needed to engineer a speed test facility
inside it, to check for neutrality problems.

There might be other options like ChromeCast or
Roku, but I'm not a multimedia guy.

One really remote possibility, is there is a
MTU mismatch between the player and the router.
And packets are getting fragmented, to get through
the plumbing. Back in the shared media era of Ethernet,
I'd tell you to use a promiscuous receiver and a tool
similar to Wireshark, On current day Ethernet, I don't
know what I'd use to study the Bluray ethernet traffic.

I'd have to stuff a computer with two NICs on it, in
the "path" the Bluray player normally takes. That's
all I can think of, and then, I don't know what software
to use for such a beast. Maybe a Windows PC with two
NICs could use ICS (Internet Connection Sharing), and
the Bluray player would have to be 192.168.1.x or so.
And you'd need a way into it to set it up. Very messy.

Paul


I have 10mb DSL and I stream movies all the time. Just playing with my
ISP speed test when I am streaming a movie on another PC or the smart
PC it looks like a movie eats about 3 mb on Amazon or Netflix.
  #4  
Old October 13th 18, 02:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Andy[_16_]
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Default O.T. Frequent movie stops

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 5:59:58 PM UTC-5, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:
I use a Blu Ray player to play movies on Amazon Prime.

I have frequent problems with the movie stopping.

My dl speed is 12 Mbps.

I use an Ethernet cable from my router directly to my blue ray player.

And I have wifi turned off.

I used to use Netflix at 3.0 Mbps and never had any interruptions.

Any ideas?

Thanks.


For fun, you could try debugging playback with your
computer first. Just in case there's a network neutrality
issue, and your computer is going to suck at it too.

*******

It's the usual story. No real help. It is what it is.

"How to Solve Prime Video Issues on Your Computer"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201460940

"Prime Video System Requirements for Computers"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201422810

"Internet Connection

* Standard Definition (SD) videos: 900 Kbits/sec
* High Definition (HD) videos: 3.5 Mbits/sec"

*******

You can test your link with Speedtest.net or fast.com (browser!).
The fast.com is owned by Netflix. I get 14Mbps on fast.com
and 15.3Mbps on Speedtest. Nodes like that are not likely
to be "clamped" by network neutrality filtering. ISPs want
their results to be high, as a sales pitch. Even if real services
cannot use the link flat out.

*******

I don't know of an effective way to test a Bluray ethernet
playback path. The Bluray player would need a web interface
on it, to give some access to internal state info. And then
someone would have needed to engineer a speed test facility
inside it, to check for neutrality problems.

There might be other options like ChromeCast or
Roku, but I'm not a multimedia guy.

One really remote possibility, is there is a
MTU mismatch between the player and the router.
And packets are getting fragmented, to get through
the plumbing. Back in the shared media era of Ethernet,
I'd tell you to use a promiscuous receiver and a tool
similar to Wireshark, On current day Ethernet, I don't
know what I'd use to study the Bluray ethernet traffic.

I'd have to stuff a computer with two NICs on it, in
the "path" the Bluray player normally takes. That's
all I can think of, and then, I don't know what software
to use for such a beast. Maybe a Windows PC with two
NICs could use ICS (Internet Connection Sharing), and
the Bluray player would have to be 192.168.1.x or so.
And you'd need a way into it to set it up. Very messy.

Paul


I played an Amazon Prime movie thru Firefox.

No problems. ??

Does not make sense.

I tried a newer BR player with streaming.

It said my bandwidth was not high enough.

Andy

  #5  
Old October 13th 18, 02:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Andy[_16_]
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Default O.T. Frequent movie stops

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 8:22:04 PM UTC-5, Andy wrote:
On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 5:59:58 PM UTC-5, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:
I use a Blu Ray player to play movies on Amazon Prime.

I have frequent problems with the movie stopping.

My dl speed is 12 Mbps.

I use an Ethernet cable from my router directly to my blue ray player.

And I have wifi turned off.

I used to use Netflix at 3.0 Mbps and never had any interruptions.

Any ideas?

Thanks.


For fun, you could try debugging playback with your
computer first. Just in case there's a network neutrality
issue, and your computer is going to suck at it too.

*******

It's the usual story. No real help. It is what it is.

"How to Solve Prime Video Issues on Your Computer"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201460940

"Prime Video System Requirements for Computers"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201422810

"Internet Connection

* Standard Definition (SD) videos: 900 Kbits/sec
* High Definition (HD) videos: 3.5 Mbits/sec"

*******

You can test your link with Speedtest.net or fast.com (browser!).
The fast.com is owned by Netflix. I get 14Mbps on fast.com
and 15.3Mbps on Speedtest. Nodes like that are not likely
to be "clamped" by network neutrality filtering. ISPs want
their results to be high, as a sales pitch. Even if real services
cannot use the link flat out.

*******

I don't know of an effective way to test a Bluray ethernet
playback path. The Bluray player would need a web interface
on it, to give some access to internal state info. And then
someone would have needed to engineer a speed test facility
inside it, to check for neutrality problems.

There might be other options like ChromeCast or
Roku, but I'm not a multimedia guy.

One really remote possibility, is there is a
MTU mismatch between the player and the router.
And packets are getting fragmented, to get through
the plumbing. Back in the shared media era of Ethernet,
I'd tell you to use a promiscuous receiver and a tool
similar to Wireshark, On current day Ethernet, I don't
know what I'd use to study the Bluray ethernet traffic.

I'd have to stuff a computer with two NICs on it, in
the "path" the Bluray player normally takes. That's
all I can think of, and then, I don't know what software
to use for such a beast. Maybe a Windows PC with two
NICs could use ICS (Internet Connection Sharing), and
the Bluray player would have to be 192.168.1.x or so.
And you'd need a way into it to set it up. Very messy.

Paul


I played an Amazon Prime movie thru Firefox.

No problems. ??

Does not make sense.

I tried a newer BR player with streaming.

It said my bandwidth was not high enough.

Andy


I have a HDMI port on my computer.

Can I run a cable to my TV and view movies that way?

  #6  
Old October 13th 18, 03:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default O.T. Frequent movie stops

Andy wrote:

I played an Amazon Prime movie thru Firefox.

No problems. ??

Does not make sense.

I tried a newer BR player with streaming.

It said my bandwidth was not high enough.

Andy


Can I have some make and model numbers ?

Perhaps this is a known issue.

Maybe a Newegg customer review has the answer.


I have a HDMI port on my computer.

Can I run a cable to my TV and view movies that way?


Yes, No, and Maybe.

It depends on the mode.

Video mirroring might mean, the main computer screen
has the movie playing full screen in it, and the
external HDMI output display has a copy of the primary
screen. That's how it used to work, once upon a time.

https://www.nvidia.com/docs/IO/37395/93.71_limits.pdf

Then Nvidia decided to disable that mode, presumably to
stop video copying with a frame grabber tied to the second
port.

If you Spanned the desktop (made the TV the right hand part
of your Task Bar, the desktop PC screen the left hand part),
then you might be able to place the video player on the
right screen (and watch TV). There is one Video Overlay plane,
and the playing software may use that (for DRM reasons).

Later OSes than WinXP, probably make the video fuzzy if you
use a non-HDCP path. An attempt to play 1920x1080 over
VGA on a modern OS, might result in fuzziness added to
the picture.

Now, if you have an ATI/AMD card, the decision to do that
might have been made in a different (later) year, raising
the odds there's at least some friendly mode available.
This article is from a friendly era. If you have ATI/AMD
video card, you might be in luck.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-arti...rolCenter.aspx

I don't have a digital monitor (DVI/HDMI) to test with
here, so I can't test this. I do have SVideo, but really,
who cares :-) I think I have played video that way, but
only if it goes through a Channel 3 modulator to the
analog TV set. The picture looks good that way, even if
my TV is super-tiny.

If you have chipset video (no video card), the situation
could be quite grim. I.e. It might just be slow.

*******

You're going to have to test this. It might mean
visiting the proprietary control panel for video
and see what's available.

Paul
  #7  
Old October 13th 18, 03:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Andy[_16_]
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Default O.T. Frequent movie stops

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 9:13:42 PM UTC-5, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:

I played an Amazon Prime movie thru Firefox.

No problems. ??

Does not make sense.

I tried a newer BR player with streaming.

It said my bandwidth was not high enough.

Andy


Can I have some make and model numbers ?

Perhaps this is a known issue.

Maybe a Newegg customer review has the answer.


I have a HDMI port on my computer.

Can I run a cable to my TV and view movies that way?


Yes, No, and Maybe.

It depends on the mode.

Video mirroring might mean, the main computer screen
has the movie playing full screen in it, and the
external HDMI output display has a copy of the primary
screen. That's how it used to work, once upon a time.

https://www.nvidia.com/docs/IO/37395/93.71_limits.pdf

Then Nvidia decided to disable that mode, presumably to
stop video copying with a frame grabber tied to the second
port.

If you Spanned the desktop (made the TV the right hand part
of your Task Bar, the desktop PC screen the left hand part),
then you might be able to place the video player on the
right screen (and watch TV). There is one Video Overlay plane,
and the playing software may use that (for DRM reasons).

Later OSes than WinXP, probably make the video fuzzy if you
use a non-HDCP path. An attempt to play 1920x1080 over
VGA on a modern OS, might result in fuzziness added to
the picture.

Now, if you have an ATI/AMD card, the decision to do that
might have been made in a different (later) year, raising
the odds there's at least some friendly mode available.
This article is from a friendly era. If you have ATI/AMD
video card, you might be in luck.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-arti...rolCenter.aspx

I don't have a digital monitor (DVI/HDMI) to test with
here, so I can't test this. I do have SVideo, but really,
who cares :-) I think I have played video that way, but
only if it goes through a Channel 3 modulator to the
analog TV set. The picture looks good that way, even if
my TV is super-tiny.

If you have chipset video (no video card), the situation
could be quite grim. I.e. It might just be slow.

*******

You're going to have to test this. It might mean
visiting the proprietary control panel for video
and see what's available.

Paul


bdp s185 and bdp s3700

Andy
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Old October 13th 18, 03:52 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default O.T. Frequent movie stops

Andy wrote:


bdp s185 and bdp s3700

Andy


I'm going out for a while, so I'll drop this
one for the s185.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16882105654

"Long boot time and Blu-Ray spool up. The registration at both
Sony.com AND Netflix was tedious. Netflix would stream an
HD movie for about a minute or two and go to buffering for
at least 30 seconds. It happened repeatedly for every movie
I tried. I was using the same ethernet cable from my router
that I use to stream Netflix on my PS3 and have never had this
problem. Started a movie on this player and switched the cable
back to the PS3 and finished the movie no problem. Oddly, when
Netflix first starts to stream it does a "test" and shows me
10-13 Mbps, but when the movie starts it drops to under 2Mbps
every time. The boot times are kind of long, and the unit sends
no signal at all during short transitions which makes my Yamaha
receiver AND TV search for signals repeatedly before any video
even starts playing"

Some sort of player firmware problem ?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...0R4-0004-000E2

"I have a 20 Mbps connection and can stream sows on 2 TV's at
once no problem, with this unit shows are gitery, grainey,
and Freeze. I recommend avoiding"

Maybe the processor in the player isn't strong enough. It would
need a hardware renderer for the BD storage format. Maybe the
Netflix streaming uses a different video format, and it's using
the processor to decode it. To work right, if one feature
uses a hardware decoder, both should use a hardware decoder.
If one feature uses a super-strong processor, the other one
should be able to use it too. It really depends on whether Netflix
is "sending the right flavor" as to how this will work out.

Paul
  #9  
Old October 13th 18, 04:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
No_Name
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Default O.T. Frequent movie stops

On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 18:48:20 -0700 (PDT), Andy
wrote:


I have a HDMI port on my computer.

Can I run a cable to my TV and view movies that way?


I just put an old PC under all of my TVs.
  #10  
Old October 13th 18, 04:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Andy[_16_]
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Posts: 337
Default O.T. Frequent movie stops

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 10:33:34 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 18:48:20 -0700 (PDT), Andy
wrote:


I have a HDMI port on my computer.

Can I run a cable to my TV and view movies that way?


I just put an old PC under all of my TVs.


I ended up getting a Roku stick.

I had to use the 720p setting because 1080p required more bandwidth than I had.

Andy
 




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