Why is turning on the computer so hard. Do you have a remedy?

Carlos E.R. wrote:

Is it possible to boot the computer without an internet connection at
all and create the login?

Sure, you can try. Until they decide to not let you do that.
And I've seen that happen just one time. It might have
been the Insider Edition or something.

No, I won't be creating a PIN out of frustration, taking
Hello pictures of my face, mailing blood samples to the
Microsoft lab. Not gunna happen.

What's that pin for? Is it instead of a full password?


The Internet Strength password might be abcdefghij12345
whereas the PIN is 1234. The idea is, people hate the
Internet strength password, and would be oh so much happier
to type 1234 every morning. That's the theory.

Windows Hello uses an Intel Realsense camera, to add
just enough facial information to be calling it
"biometric sensing". And it's just as secure as you
might think.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017...l-recognition/

Paul

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-08-09 2:26 a.m., John Hall wrote:
In message , micky
writes
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things. Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin. That is even worse. Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code. If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

Yes, it's extremely tedious.


For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted. Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field show up and then put in a pin, Is there a way out of
this?

The good news is that you don't need to enter the PIN for the
booting-up process to carry on. Just leave the room as you always do,
then when you come back make the PIN field show up and enter your PIN,
and it will take you straight to the desk-top with everything fully
booted. (Assuming that you left the room for long enough.)


I am so disgusted. I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow. 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office. Why are they screwing with us?

I agree that it's annoying. I too live alone. It should be the user's
choice how much security he or she wants, not Microsoft's.

I use netplwiz.exe and never have any log in requirements, just hit the
on button and go. :-)

Rene

Until that stops working.

Paul

In article , Ken Blake
wrote:


555-1212 should be in use for every area code, no?

I thought it meant by a MS customer.

No, it is/was directory assistance. Wikipedia says it's still operational
nationwide but I haven't used it since at least the 80's.


It hasn't been that long since I last used it, but it's been a very long
time (so long that I had almost forgotten what 555-1212 was). I find it
much easier to do a goggle search.

that generally works for businesses, but not so much for individuals.

On 2020-08-09 11:52 a.m., Paul wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-08-09 2:26 a.m., John Hall wrote:
In message , micky
writes
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things.Â* Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin.Â* That is even worse.Â* Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code.Â* If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

Yes, it's extremely tedious.


For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room
and
when I come back, it's fully booted.Â*Â* Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field showÂ* up and then put in a pin,Â* Is there a way out of
this?

The good news is that you don't need to enter the PIN for the
booting-up process to carry on. Just leave the room as you always do,
then when you come back make the PIN field show up and enter your
PIN, and it will take you straight to the desk-top with everything
fully booted. (Assuming that you left the room for long enough.)


I am so disgusted.Â*Â* I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow.Â*Â* 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office.Â* Why are they screwing with us?

I agree that it's annoying. I too live alone. It should be the user's
choice how much security he or she wants, not Microsoft's.

I use netplwiz.exe and never have any log in requirements, just hit
the on button and go. :-)

Rene

Until that stops working.

Â*Â* Paul

Yeah, nothing is forever.

Rene

On 8/9/2020 11:59 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-08-09 11:52 a.m., Paul wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-08-09 2:26 a.m., John Hall wrote:
In message , micky
writes
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things.Â* Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin.Â* That is even worse.Â* Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code.Â* If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

Yes, it's extremely tedious.


For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room
and
when I come back, it's fully booted.Â*Â* Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field showÂ* up and then put in a pin,Â* Is there a way out of
this?

The good news is that you don't need to enter the PIN for the
booting-up process to carry on. Just leave the room as you always do,
then when you come back make the PIN field show up and enter your
PIN, and it will take you straight to the desk-top with everything
fully booted. (Assuming that you left the room for long enough.)


I am so disgusted.Â*Â* I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow.Â*Â* 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office.Â* Why are they screwing with us?

I agree that it's annoying. I too live alone. It should be the user's
choice how much security he or she wants, not Microsoft's.

I use netplwiz.exe and never have any log in requirements, just hit
the on button and go. :-)

Rene

Until that stops working.

Â*Â* Paul

Yeah, nothing is forever.


....except death and taxes.


--
Ken

On 2020-08-09, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-08-09 11:52 a.m., Paul wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-08-09 2:26 a.m., John Hall wrote:
In message , micky
writes
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things.?? Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin.?? That is even worse.?? Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code.?? If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

Yes, it's extremely tedious.


For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room
and
when I come back, it's fully booted.???? Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field show?? up and then put in a pin,?? Is there a way out of
this?

The good news is that you don't need to enter the PIN for the
booting-up process to carry on. Just leave the room as you always do,
then when you come back make the PIN field show up and enter your
PIN, and it will take you straight to the desk-top with everything
fully booted. (Assuming that you left the room for long enough.)


I am so disgusted.???? I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow.???? 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office.?? Why are they screwing with us?

I agree that it's annoying. I too live alone. It should be the user's
choice how much security he or she wants, not Microsoft's.

I use netplwiz.exe and never have any log in requirements, just hit
the on button and go. :-)

Rene

Until that stops working.

???? Paul

Yeah, nothing is forever.

Rene

Never got bothered to required to use a pin.

However, m$ is on a crusade to make things harder for the user & will
"disappear" functions that make life easier.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 9 Aug 2020 08:26:13 +0100, John Hall
wrote:

In message , micky
writes
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things. Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin. That is even worse. Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code. If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

Yes, it's extremely tedious.


For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted. Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field show up and then put in a pin, Is there a way out of
this?

The good news is that you don't need to enter the PIN for the booting-up
process to carry on. Just leave the room as you always do, then when you
come back make the PIN field show up and enter your PIN, and it will
take you straight to the desk-top with everything fully booted.
(Assuming that you left the room for long enough.)

I thought that might be the case. That's very good to hear.

But it's not enough. I've given up on this computer (even though I used
it to watch the convention and other webbrowswer stuff) and when I get
the next one I'll disconnect from the internet as instructed, to avoid
this requirement in the first place.

Maybe netplwiz would work for me even with this one, but... Tonight I
listed to webradio on Firefox for 5 hours with no trouble netnon my
crashing computer, then went to enter netplwiz, and I only got netpl
entered when it crashed!!


I am so disgusted. I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow. 20 or 30% of the population either

Maybe not the 2-year olds. Never know what they'll do. And I guess by
now everyone will have his own computer, but when I visit one family of
friends with two children in their 30's and the father enters a password
when startign windows, it looks so untrusting. Maybe he doesn't know
how to get rid of it.


lives alone or has a private office. Why are they screwing with us?

I agree that it's annoying. I too live alone. It should be the user's
choice how much security he or she wants, not Microsoft's.