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I just need some opinions for school... Is Windows Vista worth the money?
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:18:01 -0800, Tyrith LeFaye
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I just need some opinions for school... Is Windows Vista worth the money?

You should ask this in microsoft.public.homework.projects

Tyrith LeFaye wrote:
I just need some opinions for school... Is Windows Vista worth the
money?

To whom and for what?

In other words - your question is not detailed enough. It would be a waste
of money for me to buy an artificial arm - but for someone without an arm,
it might be more beneficial than for myself.

You are asking a needs/wants question with no defining criteria. ;-)

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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:18:01 -0800, Tyrith LeFaye
wrote:

I just need some opinions for school... Is Windows Vista worth the money?


I just replied to this question in another thread, posted 14 minutes
after this one. You asked the question twice. Please do not start two
threads on the same subject.

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"Tyrith LeFaye" wrote in message
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I just need some opinions for school... Is Windows Vista worth the money?
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You want personal opinions? OK, here's mine - no.

Tyrith LeFaye wrote:
I just need some opinions for school... Is Windows Vista worth the money?
XP would IMO be a better choice, you will not have any of the problems
associated with Vista--like its drivers.

Tyrith LeFaye wrote:
I just need some opinions for school... Is Windows Vista worth the
money?

John McKenzie wrote:
XP would IMO be a better choice, you will not have any of the
problems associated with Vista--like its drivers.

There's problems with Vista drivers?
That's a problem with the hardware manufacturers really - not Vista.

Everytime a new OS becomes available - hardware manufacturers have to decide
whether or not to support it (heck - they have to decide what they support
the day they release said product.)

If you have hardware that the manufacturer decided not to support under
Windows Vista - your issue is with the hardware manufacturer of said product
or with yourself for feeling the need to change operating systems. ;-)

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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:18:01 -0800, Tyrith LeFaye
wrote:

I just need some opinions for school... Is Windows Vista worth the money?


I just replied to this question in another thread, posted 14 minutes
after this one. You asked the question twice. Please do not start two
threads on the same subject.

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Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

YEA!!! That freakin kilobyte of data is freakin crashing the internet.

Sheeeeesh

Tyrith LeFaye wrote:

I just need some opinions for school... Is Windows Vista worth the money?

Depends on the software (applications) that you want to run as to which
is the appropriate OS.

Depends on the tasks that the computer will perform.

Depends on which "school" of operating systems to which your school is
biased.

Depends on who is paying for it. You or your parents? Depends on how
deep or shallow are the pockets of whomever is actually forking out the
money.

Depends on whether you want a stable OS or one with lots of fluff.

Only YOU know for what you will be using your computer. Don't choose
and OS and then the apps. That's ass-backward. Determine what apps you
need and which OS'es they support and then determine the OS.

Depends if the OS comes pre-installed and you have limited choices, or
if you are willing to be the OS installer.

In the meantime, go to your local public library and start reading some
Dummies books on each version of Windows or other operating systems to
see which one YOU might like.

Tyrith LeFaye wrote:
I just need some opinions for school... Is Windows Vista worth the
money?

John McKenzie wrote:
XP would IMO be a better choice, you will not have any of the
problems associated with Vista--like its drivers.

There's problems with Vista drivers?
That's a problem with the hardware manufacturers really - not Vista.

Everytime a new OS becomes available - hardware manufacturers have to
decide whether or not to support it (heck - they have to decide what
they support the day they release said product.)

If you have hardware that the manufacturer decided not to support
under Windows Vista - your issue is with the hardware manufacturer of
said product or with yourself for feeling the need to change
operating systems. ;-)

Or, the manufacturer who decided to not support said hardware but didn't
tell anyone, yet offered upgrades to XP. That way you don't find out
until after you've spent the money on their crap such as Vista and
version 7 which is being based heavily on Vista. Not everyone knows the
check first so IMO you cannot blame them in any way.




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Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP

Tyrith LeFaye wrote:
I just need some opinions for school... Is Windows Vista worth the
money?

John McKenzie wrote:
XP would IMO be a better choice, you will not have any of the
problems associated with Vista--like its drivers.

Shenan Stanley wrote:
There's problems with Vista drivers?
That's a problem with the hardware manufacturers really - not Vista.

Everytime a new OS becomes available - hardware manufacturers have
to decide whether or not to support it (heck - they have to decide
what they support the day they release said product.)

If you have hardware that the manufacturer decided not to support
under Windows Vista - your issue is with the hardware manufacturer
of said product or with yourself for feeling the need to change
operating systems. ;-)

Twayne wrote:
Or, the manufacturer who decided to not support said hardware but
didn't tell anyone, yet offered upgrades to XP. That way you don't
find out until after you've spent the money on their crap such as
Vista and version 7 which is being based heavily on Vista. Not
everyone knows the check first so IMO you cannot blame them in any
way.

Cannot blame the consumer? For not researching before spending lots of
money? Why not?

I'm not talking rocket science here - they do not have to understand the
computer anymore than they understand their car or their refrigerator or
their security system or their television or their blueray player or their
home stereo system. (Although some naturally understand the inner-workings
of such things more than others.)

I am talking about *basic* research. Find out what you don't know before
going out and spending the money. Common sense research. Not details - but
generalities.

I would bet the same people who did not research before spending $200+ on
Vista or $600+ on a truly visty-ready computer *did* research on something
else in their life before - to make sure it would 'fit in this place' or
'hook up to this connection' or 'work with their old whatever'... Maybe it
was making sure their older TV had the proper connections for their new DVD
player to connect. Or their new refrigerator could hook into the old
refrigerator's spot (ice maker connection, type of outlet...) Or maybe that
the tires they were buying would fit their car and not wear out faster than
another type/size of tires they could get for their car.

Sure - they might have just asked an expert to figure all that out.. In the
end, they may have absorbed no knowledge - but the expert's advice helped
them make the decision. That's still common sense research.

Here's the problem - everyone is always looking for a single entity to
blame - when in the end - for many things - it is *not* a single entities
fault. In this case it is Microsoft's fault for creating a new Operating
System... And the manufacturer's of all hardware's faults for deciding on
which hardware to support/not support under said new hardware and how they
present that to consumers (or don't) and the end-consumer's fault for not
checking that the hardware they have or plan to get to ensure it will work
with whatever software they plan to have (or at least researching to find
out what things they should know about such things before diving in
blindly.)

I have no sympathy for anyone/thing that jumps in a pool before verifying
what's in it (or not in it or whate should be in it or what shouldn't be in
it...) ;-)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You very simply don't understand and cannot accept the fact that not
everyone is as smart as you.
What should one expect if he/she simply chooses to purchase the latest?
Enormous problems????
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
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Tyrith LeFaye wrote:
I just need some opinions for school... Is Windows Vista worth the
money?

John McKenzie wrote:
XP would IMO be a better choice, you will not have any of the
problems associated with Vista--like its drivers.

Shenan Stanley wrote:
There's problems with Vista drivers?
That's a problem with the hardware manufacturers really - not Vista.

Everytime a new OS becomes available - hardware manufacturers have
to decide whether or not to support it (heck - they have to decide
what they support the day they release said product.)

If you have hardware that the manufacturer decided not to support
under Windows Vista - your issue is with the hardware manufacturer
of said product or with yourself for feeling the need to change
operating systems. ;-)

Twayne wrote:
Or, the manufacturer who decided to not support said hardware but
didn't tell anyone, yet offered upgrades to XP. That way you don't
find out until after you've spent the money on their crap such as
Vista and version 7 which is being based heavily on Vista. Not
everyone knows the check first so IMO you cannot blame them in any
way.

Cannot blame the consumer? For not researching before spending lots of
money? Why not?

I'm not talking rocket science here - they do not have to understand the
computer anymore than they understand their car or their refrigerator or
their security system or their television or their blueray player or their
home stereo system. (Although some naturally understand the inner-workings
of such things more than others.)

I am talking about *basic* research. Find out what you don't know before
going out and spending the money. Common sense research. Not details -
but generalities.

I would bet the same people who did not research before spending $200+ on
Vista or $600+ on a truly visty-ready computer *did* research on something
else in their life before - to make sure it would 'fit in this place' or
'hook up to this connection' or 'work with their old whatever'... Maybe
it was making sure their older TV had the proper connections for their new
DVD player to connect. Or their new refrigerator could hook into the old
refrigerator's spot (ice maker connection, type of outlet...) Or maybe
that the tires they were buying would fit their car and not wear out
faster than another type/size of tires they could get for their car.

Sure - they might have just asked an expert to figure all that out.. In
the end, they may have absorbed no knowledge - but the expert's advice
helped them make the decision. That's still common sense research.

Here's the problem - everyone is always looking for a single entity to
blame - when in the end - for many things - it is *not* a single entities
fault. In this case it is Microsoft's fault for creating a new Operating
System... And the manufacturer's of all hardware's faults for deciding on
which hardware to support/not support under said new hardware and how they
present that to consumers (or don't) and the end-consumer's fault for not
checking that the hardware they have or plan to get to ensure it will work
with whatever software they plan to have (or at least researching to find
out what things they should know about such things before diving in
blindly.)

I have no sympathy for anyone/thing that jumps in a pool before verifying
what's in it (or not in it or whate should be in it or what shouldn't be
in it...) ;-)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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Unknown wrote:
You very simply don't understand and cannot accept the fact that not
everyone is as smart as you.
What should one expect if he/she simply chooses to purchase the
latest? Enormous problems????

Are you saying that people are - in general - dumb?
I am not. Matter of fact - I make no mention of smart/dumb until now.

Common sense and intelligence are not the same.

I do not have to know the details on how my mattress is made in order to
research opinions on it or ask the people selling them (and not depend on
just one vendor/salesperson - but compare answers among several different
vendors/salespeople.)

If someone just doesn't have the common sense to research before buying
something - let's say television for example - and they get it home and it
cannot connect to their cable box or their VCR or their game system because
it only has one type of connection - should they blame the TV manufacturer
or the VCR/cable box or game system manufacturer or themselves or any or all
of the above?

So - in general - yes, but no... If someone just goes out and purchases the
'latest thing' without learning more about that thing than "it's the newest
thing, it is all the rave" - then they shouldn't necessarily *expect*
enormous problems - but if they have to jump through a few hoops and/or buy
some adapters and/or upgrade something else of theirs to make the 'latest
fad item' work - they should look at their own mistake of not doing some
simple research/asking of questions/thinking ahead before they start
pointing fingers at those who did not force the information down their
throat 'for their own good'.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Tyrith LeFaye wrote:

I just need some opinions for school... Is Windows Vista worth the money?

All that has been said here assumes the buyer has a choice. But, the buyer
is mostly purchasing a computer, not an OS. Usually to replace one that's
failed, or is simply too slow or whatever. Try to buy a computer with
anything but Vista these days.

They probaby do research the spec of the hardware, but overlook the fact
that the OS is not compatible with what they had before. They also don't
realise thay the copy of Vista they get will be laced-through with junk
software, so even by Vista standards it's a lemon from the word go, and won't
even perform as well as a clean install of Vista.

They probably also don't understand the intricacies of OEM licensing, and
assume they can in any case transfer their old OS. They probably don't
understand that the 'recovery disk' supplied with the old PC is not a real
Windows disk either.

Result is that they end-up having to pay an engineer to reformat the new
computer and put XP onto it. Thus, the real cost of acquiring the new
computer is much higher than they had anticipated.

You apparently have no knowledge of human nature.
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
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Unknown wrote:
You very simply don't understand and cannot accept the fact that not
everyone is as smart as you.
What should one expect if he/she simply chooses to purchase the
latest? Enormous problems????

Are you saying that people are - in general - dumb?
I am not. Matter of fact - I make no mention of smart/dumb until now.

Common sense and intelligence are not the same.

I do not have to know the details on how my mattress is made in order to
research opinions on it or ask the people selling them (and not depend on
just one vendor/salesperson - but compare answers among several different
vendors/salespeople.)

If someone just doesn't have the common sense to research before buying
something - let's say television for example - and they get it home and it
cannot connect to their cable box or their VCR or their game system
because it only has one type of connection - should they blame the TV
manufacturer or the VCR/cable box or game system manufacturer or
themselves or any or all of the above?

So - in general - yes, but no... If someone just goes out and purchases
the 'latest thing' without learning more about that thing than "it's the
newest thing, it is all the rave" - then they shouldn't necessarily
*expect* enormous problems - but if they have to jump through a few hoops
and/or buy some adapters and/or upgrade something else of theirs to make
the 'latest fad item' work - they should look at their own mistake of not
doing some simple research/asking of questions/thinking ahead before they
start pointing fingers at those who did not force the information down
their throat 'for their own good'.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html