SSD & Anti Virus software

On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:22:36 -0400, Lemon wrote:

On 03/04/2013 1:54 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:11:34 -0500, telsar wrote:

On 4/3/2013 11:57 AM, wrote:

Are there special considerations about anti-virus software and using a
SSD? I am thinking about how many write actions a program performs on
the SSD.

Any anti-virus programs that should not be used with a SSD?

Thanks.

I don't see how it would matter, but who really knows. I have read
experts whom say you need to baby your SSD's and avoid as much routine
writes as possible. I have read other experts whom say there is no need
at all to baby them as their overall design will last as long as a
standard drive including their use as a linux swap drive/windows page
file. In the end it comes to folks experience and anecdotes as far as
whats real about it all. One can imagine based upon the technical
details of its operation and then there is what they really do.

The first two I had failed within a year.
Both replaced under warranty.

Reliability seems to be a problem. The one I bought for myself lasted a
few weeks. When it went, I decided I didn't want another, and replaced
it with a WD Caviar Black HDD - plenty fast anyway.

*guffaw*

You replaced a drive with a WD Caviar because you wanted *reliability*?

*chuckle*

*snicker*

On 4/27/2013 4:22 PM, Lemon wrote:
On 03/04/2013 1:54 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:11:34 -0500, telsar wrote:

On 4/3/2013 11:57 AM, wrote:

Are there special considerations about anti-virus software and using a
SSD? I am thinking about how many write actions a program performs on
the SSD.

Any anti-virus programs that should not be used with a SSD?

Thanks.

I don't see how it would matter, but who really knows. I have read
experts whom say you need to baby your SSD's and avoid as much routine
writes as possible. I have read other experts whom say there is no need
at all to baby them as their overall design will last as long as a
standard drive including their use as a linux swap drive/windows page
file. In the end it comes to folks experience and anecdotes as far as
whats real about it all. One can imagine based upon the technical
details of its operation and then there is what they really do.

The first two I had failed within a year.
Both replaced under warranty.


Reliability seems to be a problem. The one I bought for myself lasted a
few weeks. When it went, I decided I didn't want another, and replaced
it with a WD Caviar Black HDD - plenty fast anyway.

Lemon
+1

"Lemon" wrote:

[SSD reliability]

Reliability seems to be a problem. The one I bought for myself lasted a
few weeks. When it went, I decided I didn't want another, and replaced it
with a WD Caviar Black HDD - plenty fast anyway.

Depends on when you were using them.

My POE experimented with some of the early SSD models since they
significantly reduced the startup time for Windows. Unfortunately, at the
time the only more-or-less reasonably priced units were from OCZ and we
found that they had some nasty bugs, like going to sleep at odd times when
under load. We're currently using Samsung drives; other than a performance
problem due to a buggy firmware version (which I've discussed here in the
past) there haven't been any significant drive problems across ~12000
systems.

More recent OCZ models probably fixed the bug, but for a number of reasons
we don't buy them.

I still have a couple of old OCZ drives that I use to build quick POC
testbeds and don't have problems with them for that purpose...and I also
take one of them apart to show the high-school class I teach what the guts
of an SSD look like.

Joe

On 27/04/2013 7:28 PM, Mr. Fixit wrote:
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:22:36 -0400, Lemon wrote:

On 03/04/2013 1:54 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:11:34 -0500, telsar wrote:

On 4/3/2013 11:57 AM, wrote:

Are there special considerations about anti-virus software and using a
SSD? I am thinking about how many write actions a program performs on
the SSD.

Any anti-virus programs that should not be used with a SSD?

Thanks.

I don't see how it would matter, but who really knows. I have read
experts whom say you need to baby your SSD's and avoid as much routine
writes as possible. I have read other experts whom say there is no need
at all to baby them as their overall design will last as long as a
standard drive including their use as a linux swap drive/windows page
file. In the end it comes to folks experience and anecdotes as far as
whats real about it all. One can imagine based upon the technical
details of its operation and then there is what they really do.

The first two I had failed within a year.
Both replaced under warranty.

Reliability seems to be a problem. The one I bought for myself lasted a
few weeks. When it went, I decided I didn't want another, and replaced
it with a WD Caviar Black HDD - plenty fast anyway.

*guffaw*

You replaced a drive with a WD Caviar because you wanted *reliability*?

*chuckle*

*snicker*



I've been using lots of WD Caviar Blacks for years and years without a
single failure yet. SSD failed on me within weeks.

I looked online and it seems many people have experienced failing SSDs.

They are fast, yes, but what's the point if the thing soon fails?

Of course my evidence is merely anecdotal, but nevertheless, WD works
well here.

Lemon

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:41:50 -0400, Lemon wrote:

On 27/04/2013 7:28 PM, Mr. Fixit wrote:
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:22:36 -0400, Lemon wrote:

On 03/04/2013 1:54 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:11:34 -0500, telsar wrote:

On 4/3/2013 11:57 AM, wrote:

Are there special considerations about anti-virus software and using a
SSD? I am thinking about how many write actions a program performs on
the SSD.

Any anti-virus programs that should not be used with a SSD?

Thanks.

I don't see how it would matter, but who really knows. I have read
experts whom say you need to baby your SSD's and avoid as much routine
writes as possible. I have read other experts whom say there is no need
at all to baby them as their overall design will last as long as a
standard drive including their use as a linux swap drive/windows page
file. In the end it comes to folks experience and anecdotes as far as
whats real about it all. One can imagine based upon the technical
details of its operation and then there is what they really do.

The first two I had failed within a year.
Both replaced under warranty.

Reliability seems to be a problem. The one I bought for myself lasted a
few weeks. When it went, I decided I didn't want another, and replaced
it with a WD Caviar Black HDD - plenty fast anyway.

*guffaw*

You replaced a drive with a WD Caviar because you wanted *reliability*?

*chuckle*

*snicker*



I've been using lots of WD Caviar Blacks for years and years without a
single failure yet. SSD failed on me within weeks.

I looked online and it seems many people have experienced failing SSDs.

Guess what other drives many people have experienced failing?

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 00:29:51 +0100, Citronella® wrote:

"Mr. Fixit" wrote:

*guffaw*

You replaced a drive with a WD Caviar because you wanted *reliability*?

*chuckle*

*snicker*

... an' just which of the aw7g gerbils has upset your
little applecart of sensitivities, Paul?
Not happy with your plethora of baby steps advises
being ignored? Desperate to trot out your k00ky
socks into yet another support group, huh?

Oh, look, it's a net.loon. I know just the place for you.

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:41:20 -0400, [Tor] Mr. Fixit wrote:

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 00:29:51 +0100, Citronella® wrote:

"Mr. Fixit" wrote:

*guffaw*

You replaced a drive with a WD Caviar because you wanted *reliability*?

*chuckle*

*snicker*

... an' just which of the aw7g gerbils has upset your little
applecart of sensitivities, Paul? Not happy with your plethora of baby
steps advises being ignored? Desperate to trot out your k00ky socks
into yet another support group, huh?

Oh, look, it's a net.loon. I know just the place for you.

****, did Pie Gurl wander off again? Now he's infesting the windoze
froups? Good catch, Mr. Fixit.



Note to alt.windows7.general denizens: "Citronella®" is a kook of some
notoriety that has apparently suddenly decided to start bothering your
group. He has a kooky belief that half the people he meets are someone
from his past named "Paul" that he really, really hates, probably because
Paul owns all of the space inside Pie Gurl's tiny little cranium.

Also, he nymshifts. A lot. Sometimes he even runs multiple concurrent
sock-puppets in one group, holding conversations with himself.

Currently he's kooking out in various newsgroups as all of the following:

51%
CHIEF "Sitting on Bull"
Citronella®
Harold.D.Wilson
Thorny Crucifixi.

Killfiles won't work on the dweeb, not for very long anyway, but his
socks are *very* easy to recognize after you've seen two or three of 'em.

snicker

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:37:50 -0400, Juan Wei wrote:

May I suggest that, instead of flaming him, we ignore him?

Sure, now that you all know just what you're dealing with.

P.S. Please don't top-post.

May I suggest that, instead of flaming him, we ignore him?

Nadegda has written on 4/28/2013 8:27 PM:
On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:41:20 -0400, [Tor] Mr. Fixit wrote:

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 00:29:51 +0100, Citronella® wrote:

"Mr. Fixit" wrote:

*guffaw*

You replaced a drive with a WD Caviar because you wanted *reliability*?

*chuckle*

*snicker*

... an' just which of the aw7g gerbils has upset your little
applecart of sensitivities, Paul? Not happy with your plethora of baby
steps advises being ignored? Desperate to trot out your k00ky socks
into yet another support group, huh?

Oh, look, it's a net.loon. I know just the place for you.

****, did Pie Gurl wander off again? Now he's infesting the windoze
froups? Good catch, Mr. Fixit.



Note to alt.windows7.general denizens: "Citronella®" is a kook of some
notoriety that has apparently suddenly decided to start bothering your
group. He has a kooky belief that half the people he meets are someone
from his past named "Paul" that he really, really hates, probably because
Paul owns all of the space inside Pie Gurl's tiny little cranium.

Also, he nymshifts. A lot. Sometimes he even runs multiple concurrent
sock-puppets in one group, holding conversations with himself.

Currently he's kooking out in various newsgroups as all of the following:

51%
CHIEF "Sitting on Bull"
Citronella®
Harold.D.Wilson
Thorny Crucifixi.

Killfiles won't work on the dweeb, not for very long anyway, but his
socks are *very* easy to recognize after you've seen two or three of 'em.

snicker

Juan Wei in
Message-ID: suggested;

May I suggest that, instead of flaming him, we ignore him?

Without wasting any time on this are you able to point to anything in my
intro post which requires "flaming" or ignoring?

ARTICLE:
BODY follows;
@"Mr. Fixit" wrote:
@
@*guffaw*
@
@You replaced a drive with a WD Caviar because you wanted *reliability*?
@
@*chuckle*
@
@*snicker*
@
@
@... an' just which of the aw7g gerbils has upset your
@little applecart of sensitivities, Paul?
@Not happy with your plethora of baby steps advises
@being ignored? Desperate to trot out your k00ky
@socks into yet another support group, huh?

...and note the post was dispatched _only_ to alt.windows7.general
yet the post you respond to - with suggestion - is cross-posted to
alt.usenet.kooks and by a poster new to most of the audience in
abw7g, a poster whose first post to abw7g is to leap on in
froth over my two bits.
Why?
Answer is very simple.
"Mr. Fixit" is that same poster.
"Nadegda" is a sock of one Paul Derbyshire of Pembroke Ontario Canada
There are many more... known socks.

Now. my question of the sock is valid, in that somebody in abw7g has
upset his baby sensitivity, forcing his request for [tor] access to
abw7g.
Message-ID:
Who is it... and why is Paul so upset as to begin running his sock show
here, and cross-posting to auk?

Now you do have some facts to work with/think on.
File it (bin13) or do some of your own investigations, there are posters
using abw7g who know Paul (Seamus MacRae
in history) well.

Paul in "dressup" mode.
https://groups.google.com/group/alt....d81629ea?hl=nl


--

tip for those using newsreaders - and thus will see this postscript;
"Nadegda" thinks it is a girl, the same for "kensi" & "ashley", more of
Paul Derbyshire's regular socks. Paul leans to cross-dressing in
Usenet, heavily

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 02:44:54 +0000 (UTC), A Banned Of Heroes wrote:

AUK's July Kook Of The Month, Paul G. Derbyshire AKA [Tor] Mr. Fixit
wrote in
:

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 00:29:51 +0100, Citronella® wrote:

"Mr. Fixit" wrote:

*guffaw*

You replaced a drive with a WD Caviar because you wanted *reliability*?

*chuckle*

*snicker*

... an' just which of the aw7g gerbils has upset your
little applecart of sensitivities, Paul?
Not happy with your plethora of baby steps advises
being ignored? Desperate to trot out your k00ky
socks into yet another support group, huh?

Oh, look, it's a net.loon. I know just the place for you.

Paul Derbyshire is up to his old tricks on your server again.

Wow. Nadegda wasn't kidding about the morphing, was he? Or the paranoia.

Self aggrandizing loon sock number two plonked. Anyone want to lay odds on
how long we'll have to wait to see sock #3? And on how ridiculous the nym
will be? First we had mosquito repellent, then the Avengers, what's next in
that progression's almost gotta be "God" or "Angelic Choir" or something
like that. :-)

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:24:28 +0100, Citronella® wrote:

Juan Wei in
Message-ID: suggested;

May I suggest that, instead of flaming him, we ignore him?

Without wasting any time on this are you able to point to anything in my
intro post which requires "flaming" or ignoring?

Well, let's see.

ARTICLE:
BODY follows;
@"Mr. Fixit" wrote:
@
@*guffaw*
@
@You replaced a drive with a WD Caviar because you wanted *reliability*?
@
@*chuckle*
@
@*snicker*
@
@
@... an' just which of the aw7g gerbils has upset your

First, you pop up in this newsgroup to call everybody "gerbils". Generally,
showing up out of nowhere to flame an entire froup is a sign of a kook,
troll, idiot, or jerk of some sort that has nothing actually worthwhile to
contribe and knows it. Jerks ought to be flamed, and jerks, kooks, and
idiots put in their place, then ignored, and trolls should just be ignored.
(Plonk, by the way, so don't bother replying.)

@little applecart of sensitivities, Paul?
@Not happy with your plethora of baby steps advises
@being ignored? Desperate to trot out your k00ky
@socks into yet another support group, huh?

You, it seems, have a beef of some sort with Mr. Fixit, severe enough that
you're not only accusing him of stuff but even posting demands, under
multiple ridiculously transparent sock puppets, that his news service cut
off his access. Stupid, of course, since Mr. Fixit hasn't done anything
that's against the usual rules. All you'll accomplish is to end up on the
news admin ****-list, if you're not on it already, for bothering them with
frivolous complaints. That goes double if you're stuffing Steve Crook's
inbox with similar missives under forty different names.

..and note the post was dispatched _only_ to alt.windows7.general
yet the post you respond to - with suggestion - is cross-posted to
alt.usenet.kooks and by a poster new to most of the audience in
abw7g, a poster whose first post to abw7g is to leap on in
froth over my two bits.

Funnily enough, you are a poster new to most of the audience in abw7g, a
poster whose first post to abw7g is to leap on in froth over Mr. Fixit's
two bits.

(On a COMPLETELY unrelated side note, would anyone happen to have a spare
irony meter I could borrow for a while? Mine suddenly seems to need
servicing for some reason. ^_^)

Why?
Answer is very simple.
"Mr. Fixit" is that same poster.
"Nadegda" is a sock of one Paul Derbyshire of Pembroke Ontario Canada
There are many more... known socks.

True or not, you must be quite the obsessive lunatic to bother trying to
figure out who a usenet poster is, and delusional, too, if you think
anybody here is at all likely to give a **** who you think Mr. Fixit's real
name is.

Now. my question of the sock is valid, in that somebody in abw7g has
upset his baby sensitivity, forcing his request for [tor] access to
abw7g.

Or ... get this ... maybe Mr. Fixit simply wanted access to abw7g because
he has a windows 7 machine he might want help with some day?

Message-ID:
Who is it... and why is Paul so upset as to begin running his sock show
here, and cross-posting to auk?

You are the one who suddenly began running a sock show here.

(I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I think the irony meter I
borrowed is also broken now. Mea culpa.)

Now you do have some facts to work with/think on.

No, we have some paranoid ravings to work with/think on, unsubstantiated by
any actual facts. Nothing in the headers of the posts by Mr. Fixit and
Nadegda are remotely alike, for instance. Different news software,
different news server, different posting host information, everything. He
or she only seems to have shown up when Mr. Fixit referred you to a more
appropriate newsgroup for your ravings, by crossposting there and setting
followups there (which you, of course, ignored in standard kook/troll
fashion). Probably that's where she hangs out normally.

File it (bin13) or do some of your own investigations, there are posters
using abw7g who know Paul (Seamus MacRae
in history) well.

It would help you be more convincing if you didn't keep changing your mind
as to what your nemesis's name is, you know.

No, scratch that, the only thing that would help you is a month of shock
therapy, if you had any expectation that you'd accomplish anything useful
by popping up in a Windows 7 newsgroup solely to rant and rave some
paranoid fantasy that has nothing whatsoever to do with Windows 7. Maybe if
you'd ranted about Bill Gates, instead of some guy nobody's ever heard of,
someone might have paid attention. Instead all you're going to get is a few
flames like mine, a lot of plonks, and possibly a smackdown from your news
provider for bothering another news provider's admin with groundless
complaints.

Paul in "dressup" mode.

Says the lunatic in dressup mode.

Plonk to you and your more articulate, swears-like-a-sailor misogynist
sock. And if you morph and post here again, all you'll get from me is a
silent plonk. In other words, goodbye, loon.

P.S. Get help. Not a flame -- sincere advice. You have a problem, but these
days that sort of thing is usually treatable. It's the only way you can
stop being haunted by your Paul.

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:50:53 +0000, A Banned Of Heroes wrote:

[followup set to alt.windows7.general]

Juan Wei wrote in :

May I suggest that, instead of flaming him, we ignore him?

Nadegda has written on 4/28/2013 8:27 PM:

[nothing important]

'Nadegda' is one sockpuppet of a notorious netkook named Paul G.
Derbyshire

[massive snip]

--
...Derbyshire's...
...Derbyshire...
...
...
...Derbyshire...
...Derbyshire...
...

Anyone else here catch a distinct whiff of a certain perfume called
"obsession"?

Poster also seems to suffer from delusions of grandeur.

[followups set to what's clearly the most appropriate newsgroup]

[plonk to both of this goon's socks]

[plonk crossposts to alt.usenet.kooks]

[too bad there isn't a setting in Agent to plonk posts with too-long sigs
as well]

[Tor] Mr. Fixit wiped his chin and said:


First we had mosquito repellent

That's good ****!

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 04:40:23 +0000, A Banned Of Zeroes wrote:

AUK's July Kook Of The Month, Paul G. Derbyshire AKA traffic-monitor
(AKA Wrong ****ing Way Derbyshire)
wrote in :

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:50:53 +0000, A Banned Of Heroes wrote:

[followup set to alt.windows7.general]

Juan Wei wrote in
:

May I suggest that, instead of flaming him, we ignore him?

Nadegda has written on 4/28/2013 8:27 PM:

[nothing important]

'Nadegda' is one sockpuppet of a notorious netkook named Paul G.
Derbyshire

Why did you snip those facts I wrote about you, Paul?

That's rich, when you trimmed everything *I* wrote when you kooked out in
response to *my* post. Then, when someone trims most of your kookout to
quote only the bits relevant to the point he's making, you get your
panties all in a twist?

Account Banned
[X]= Lodestone Award; By FNVW {2 of 4} Decree 28APR2013.

Now you go whine about it, ****tard.

Anyone else here catch a distinct whiff of a certain perfume called
"obsession"?

There sure is, Paul - your obsession to abuse the net by morphing to
evade killfiles.

Proof, kook?

From: Nadegda Newsgroups:
alt.free.newsservers
Subject: Newsgroup carry request for mixmin Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013
03:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 87
Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info:
mx05.eternal-september.org;
posting-host="c55865d75f9e0d7be59647992e0e101c";
----------------------------------------------------------
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oh, my - and what is the hostmask for your current sock?


From: traffic-monitor Newsgroups:
alt.windows7.general,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.free.new sservers Subject:
[OT] Ping: alt.windows7.general denizens -- kook in your midst (was
SSD & Anti Virus software) Followup-To: alt.usenet.kooks
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 04:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless
patient Spider Lines: 39
Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 04:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info:
mx05.eternal-september.org;
posting-host="c55865d75f9e0d7be59647992e0e101c";
----------------------------------------------------------
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Haw-haw-haw. You stupid ****.

Oh, for ****'s sake. My post you quoted was one of the ones I made to afn
at around nine? I was using the wifi in a heavily-trafficked Starbucks in
downtown Los Angeles when I made those posts, you ****ing idiot. You can
probably find a lot more usenet posts with the same IP address, if you
look hard enough.

Of course, you'd have to be obsessed enough to comb through millions of
usenet articles' headers manually looking for the same hostmask, but
then, somehow I suspect that won't be a problem for you. After all,
you're the same kook who pored for weeks over AIOE's innreport logs
trying to dig up some dirt on kensi a few months back.

Poster also seems to suffer from delusions of grandeur.

LSMACKAKOOK!

You may *think* that obsessing frequently for hours at a stretch over
minutiae of NNTP-Posting-Host headers makes you some sort of a "hero",
but in the real world all it makes you is a no-life loser with way too
****ing much free time. Oh, and a raving loon.

BTW, on a quick scan of the replies to your posts in
alt.windows7.general, it looks like half the newsgroup has plonked you
and Murphy already, within hours of your unprovoked joint invasion of
that newsgroup. Do you still think you're *winning*, for ****'s sake, you
ridiculously paranoid and obsessed lunatic?

[followups set to what's clearly the most appropriate newsgroup]

DENIED, you ****ing retard.

Your willful refusal to abide by normal netiquette, and your tacit
admission to a desire to further pollute alt.windows7.general (and
alt.free.newsservers) with offtopic traffic, has been noted, kook.

Ironically, this flagrantly trollish, net-abusy behavior comes from the
very kook who keeps accusing the phantom Derbyshire of net abuse and who
has just penned *another* whiny article begging Steve Crook to ban people
who haven't violated Mixmin's terms of use.

Double ironically, you're also the same kook who has admitted to losing a
Google Groups account yourself for violating *their* terms of use.

Losing a Google Groups account!!

That reportedly takes some doing. Must've been another, even earlier
spamming meltdown like last December's, and like the one that I now sense
brewing on the horizon like an Arizona thunderstorm in monsoon season.

Of course, this irony also counted towards my decision to slap you with
that Lodestone.

[plonk to both of this goon's socks]

DENIED, you ****ing retard.

How do you intend to "deny" his plonk, kook? Is this an admission that
you intend to morph as well, net abuser?

[plonk crossposts to alt.usenet.kooks]

DENIED, you ****ing retard.

Now you're just being a complete and utter looney tune. How the *hell*
can you stop traffic-monitor from plonking crossposts between
alt.windows7.general and alt.usenet.kooks? You can morph your own from to
evade his plonk of *you*, but you certainly can't rename either of the
newsgroups in question. Even you must know that, unless the delusions of
grandeur he accurately diagnosed are even more serious than anyone
previously suspected.

[too bad there isn't a setting in Agent to plonk posts with too-long
sigs as well]

You're a stupid ****, Paul - and you always will be.

Fcrpvny Bcf Pbql, nalbar?

Denied, multiple award-winning kook.

91 lines. Too short, kooky. I want to see *at least* 120 lines of froth
in response to this post, or some other recent post by anyone you accuse
of being Derbyshire.

You've still got to rev up a bit more before you can cement your place as
the official entertainer of the Tetrarchy for May, whence we will make
you dance like a madman (oh, wait, you *are* a madman) until June and
then melt down catastrophically and collapse with exhaustion.

You know, like you did last December. And like the Tetrarchy's March
entertainer, Bit Rot, did in March.

snicker