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Old December 28th 09, 03:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Avatar
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Default End of UseNet ?

Does the MS decision to leave out Windows 7 newsgroups as well as a
newsreader in the OS a harbinger of the future?
That the UseNet is being phased out - or is dying - after almost a third of
a century?
Does MS know (and control) something we don't?
So is this also a social change dictated by technology's progress? -
That people will now forgo these discussions and instead concentrate on
'faster' means of conversation.
I don't really know where to stand on this but I feel we are witnessing
another - rather uncelebrated - change in online sociology.
Should I look forward to future newsgroups carried on Twitter someday?
Just some year-end musings (meaningless perhaps).
Wishing everybody a Happy New Year.
:-)
Jyanendra
(Courtesy Avatar)
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Old December 28th 09, 03:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Tom Willett[_2_]
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MS simply takes one more step to control how you view *their* newsgroups.
After all, they know what's best for you.

Nothing to do with usenet going away.
"Avatar" wrote in message
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: Does the MS decision to leave out Windows 7 newsgroups as well as a
: newsreader in the OS a harbinger of the future?
: That the UseNet is being phased out - or is dying - after almost a third
of
: a century?
: Does MS know (and control) something we don't?
: So is this also a social change dictated by technology's progress? -
: That people will now forgo these discussions and instead concentrate on
: 'faster' means of conversation.
: I don't really know where to stand on this but I feel we are witnessing
: another - rather uncelebrated - change in online sociology.
: Should I look forward to future newsgroups carried on Twitter someday?
: Just some year-end musings (meaningless perhaps).
: Wishing everybody a Happy New Year.
::-)
: Jyanendra
: (Courtesy Avatar)
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  #3  
Old December 28th 09, 03:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
smlunatick
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Default End of UseNet ?

On Dec 28, 9:28*am, "Avatar" wrote:
Does the MS decision to leave out Windows 7 newsgroups as well as a
newsreader in the OS a harbinger of the future?
That the UseNet is being phased out - or is dying - after almost a third of
a century?
Does MS know (and control) something we don't?
So is this also a social change dictated by technology's progress? -
That people will now forgo these discussions and instead concentrate on
'faster' means of conversation.
I don't really know where to stand on this but I feel we are witnessing
another - rather uncelebrated - change in online sociology.
Should I look forward to future newsgroups carried on Twitter someday?
Just some year-end musings (meaningless perhaps).
Wishing everybody a Happy New Year.
:-)
Jyanendra
(Courtesy Avatar)
-------------------


For Microsoft, YES it will be their end of supporting Usenet. They
are / have moved to a web forum style of post support. See
answers.microsoft.com
  #4  
Old December 28th 09, 03:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
John[_45_]
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Default End of UseNet ?

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:28:32 -0800, "Avatar" wrote:

Does the MS decision to leave out Windows 7 newsgroups as well as a
newsreader in the OS a harbinger of the future?
That the UseNet is being phased out - or is dying - after almost a third of
a century?
Does MS know (and control) something we don't?
So is this also a social change dictated by technology's progress? -
That people will now forgo these discussions and instead concentrate on
'faster' means of conversation.
I don't really know where to stand on this but I feel we are witnessing
another - rather uncelebrated - change in online sociology.
Should I look forward to future newsgroups carried on Twitter someday?
Just some year-end musings (meaningless perhaps).
Wishing everybody a Happy New Year.
:-)
Jyanendra
(Courtesy Avatar)
-------------------


Usenet is slowly dying and has been for years. Nothing to do with MS
in particular. Blame it on the web.

Microsoft has always preferred things thay can control to things they
can't. They can control their own forums; they can't control Usenet
groups.

Pick one or the other or both of those reasons.

Reply-to address is real
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Old December 28th 09, 04:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Alias[_36_]
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Default End of UseNet ?

Avatar wrote:
Does the MS decision to leave out Windows 7 newsgroups as well as a
newsreader in the OS a harbinger of the future?
That the UseNet is being phased out - or is dying - after almost a third of
a century?
Does MS know (and control) something we don't?
So is this also a social change dictated by technology's progress? -
That people will now forgo these discussions and instead concentrate on
'faster' means of conversation.
I don't really know where to stand on this but I feel we are witnessing
another - rather uncelebrated - change in online sociology.
Should I look forward to future newsgroups carried on Twitter someday?
Just some year-end musings (meaningless perhaps).
Wishing everybody a Happy New Year.
:-)
Jyanendra
(Courtesy Avatar)
-------------------






AOL nuked their Usenet access and no effect. MS nuking their Usenet
groups will only have the effect of no MS groups. Usenet isn't dead yet
as the old timers over 50 are still alive. When they kick, it may very
well disappear.

--
Alias
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Old December 28th 09, 04:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
The Doctor[_2_]
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Default End of UseNet ?

In article ,
Avatar wrote:
Does the MS decision to leave out Windows 7 newsgroups as well as a
newsreader in the OS a harbinger of the future?
That the UseNet is being phased out - or is dying - after almost a third of
a century?
Does MS know (and control) something we don't?
So is this also a social change dictated by technology's progress? -
That people will now forgo these discussions and instead concentrate on
'faster' means of conversation.
I don't really know where to stand on this but I feel we are witnessing
another - rather uncelebrated - change in online sociology.
Should I look forward to future newsgroups carried on Twitter someday?
Just some year-end musings (meaningless perhaps).
Wishing everybody a Happy New Year.
:-)
Jyanendra
(Courtesy Avatar)
-------------------






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Old December 28th 09, 04:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Motort[_2_]
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Default End of UseNet ?

Avatar wrote:
Does the MS decision to leave out Windows 7 newsgroups as well as a
newsreader in the OS a harbinger of the future?
That the UseNet is being phased out - or is dying - after almost a third of
a century?
Does MS know (and control) something we don't?
So is this also a social change dictated by technology's progress? -
That people will now forgo these discussions and instead concentrate on
'faster' means of conversation.
I don't really know where to stand on this but I feel we are witnessing
another - rather uncelebrated - change in online sociology.
Should I look forward to future newsgroups carried on Twitter someday?
Just some year-end musings (meaningless perhaps).
Wishing everybody a Happy New Year.
:-)
Jyanendra
(Courtesy Avatar)
-------------------





It seems to me societies are changing all the time, much to the
chagrin of the many minions who don't want/need any change. Much like
advertising...people who like 'new' and 'different' are targeted so as
to see how far they will go. Money and cost is always the driving force.
What makes me nervous are the commercials I'm beginning to see on
T.V., warning us about the ever increasing demand for the limited
supply of water on this planet. They already know people will pay for
water! "How far will they go"?
I feel your pain concerning UseNet. It looks, to me, like they're
gonna get everyone herded into the "forum" pen and charge money to
get out.
  #8  
Old December 28th 09, 04:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Antares 531[_2_]
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Default End of UseNet ?

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:49:38 -0800 (PST), smlunatick
wrote:

On Dec 28, 9:28*am, "Avatar" wrote:
Does the MS decision to leave out Windows 7 newsgroups as well as a
newsreader in the OS a harbinger of the future?
That the UseNet is being phased out - or is dying - after almost a third of
a century?
Does MS know (and control) something we don't?
So is this also a social change dictated by technology's progress? -
That people will now forgo these discussions and instead concentrate on
'faster' means of conversation.
I don't really know where to stand on this but I feel we are witnessing
another - rather uncelebrated - change in online sociology.
Should I look forward to future newsgroups carried on Twitter someday?
Just some year-end musings (meaningless perhaps).
Wishing everybody a Happy New Year.
:-)
Jyanendra
(Courtesy Avatar)
-------------------


For Microsoft, YES it will be their end of supporting Usenet. They
are / have moved to a web forum style of post support. See
answers.microsoft.com

I've visited their web forums and I don't like them at all. They're
sort of like going back to horse and wagon transportation after having
become adapted to modern automobiles. I guess this is the end of my
communications privileges concerning MS products. Gordon
  #9  
Old December 28th 09, 05:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
KristleBawl[_2_]
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Default End of UseNet ?

Avatar expressed an opinion:
Does the MS decision to leave out Windows 7 newsgroups as well as a
newsreader in the OS a harbinger of the future? That the UseNet is
being phased out - or is dying - after almost a third of a century?

snip

Usenet predates the Internet and will probably outlast it, too. :-D

Removing access from AOL users and Internet newbies only improves it for
the rest of us. If people have to learn about NNTP from experience,
instead of having an MS news server pre-configured in their new MS apps
when they buy a new computer, a lot of newbie posts will be reduced,
such as unsubscribe requests and private email messages.

Even if MS decides to close the server, these newsgroups have been
propagated too far and wide to just die, as long as they're being used.

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Old December 28th 09, 05:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Tim Slattery
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Default End of UseNet ?

Alias wrote:

AOL nuked their Usenet access and no effect. MS nuking their Usenet
groups will only have the effect of no MS groups. Usenet isn't dead yet
as the old timers over 50 are still alive. When they kick, it may very
well disappear.


Even if MS shuts down their NNTP server farm, I think the
microsoft.public.* groups will continue to exist on Usenet servers
around the world.

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  #11  
Old December 28th 09, 05:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Frankster
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Default End of UseNet ?

Removing access from AOL users and Internet newbies only improves it for
the rest of us.


Haha... good point.

Even if MS decides to close the server, these newsgroups have been
propagated too far and wide to just die, as long as they're being used.


Agreed.

Addiointially, even if MS does not "support" newsgroups, I'm sure there will
be plently of Windows 7 newsgroups (and others) coming along. It was not a
particulary special advantage to having a MS rep {{occasionally}} drop in.

-Frank

  #12  
Old December 28th 09, 05:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Tim Slattery
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Default End of UseNet ?

KristleBawl wrote:

Avatar expressed an opinion:
Does the MS decision to leave out Windows 7 newsgroups as well as a
newsreader in the OS a harbinger of the future? That the UseNet is
being phased out - or is dying - after almost a third of a century?

snip

Usenet predates the Internet and will probably outlast it, too. :-D


I don't think so. Usenet originally operated independent of the
Internet, but my understanding is that the two Carolinians who created
NNTP were inspired by Internet mailing lists. At that time, the
Internet was very limited, and their schools were not included. So
they came up with another way to have discussion groups.

When the Internet expanded, it became the most convenient way to
exchange Usenet traffic.

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Old December 28th 09, 06:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
JohnB
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Spammers killed (are killing) UseNet.

Everyone talks about MS wanting to control things... what they're wanting to
control is the nonsense that gets posted on UseNet forums. With web-based
forums, there is a greater degree of control, by requiring a login. It
isn't perfect, but it does help.
I don't like it either. I'd prefer to view this forum with a newsreader
like OE.

It is the scum of society that always lowers the quality of life for others.



"Avatar" wrote in message
...
Does the MS decision to leave out Windows 7 newsgroups as well as a
newsreader in the OS a harbinger of the future?
That the UseNet is being phased out - or is dying - after almost a third
of
a century?
Does MS know (and control) something we don't?
So is this also a social change dictated by technology's progress? -
That people will now forgo these discussions and instead concentrate on
'faster' means of conversation.
I don't really know where to stand on this but I feel we are witnessing
another - rather uncelebrated - change in online sociology.
Should I look forward to future newsgroups carried on Twitter someday?
Just some year-end musings (meaningless perhaps).
Wishing everybody a Happy New Year.
:-)
Jyanendra
(Courtesy Avatar)
-------------------







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Old December 28th 09, 06:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Jean Rosenfeld[_2_]
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Not only less convenient, but what I find particularly irritating on the MS
forums ( e.g.
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...estart/threads )
is the arrogance of the MS people's responses. They implicitly (sometimes
explicitly) rubbish any competing third party software and if people have
problems the first line is to blame 'conflicting' third party software,
always recommend uninstalling the third party software and install/use the
MS one (e.g. one user with ZA firewall had problems after installing MS
security essentials. Answer: uninstall ZA and use Windows firewall (this in
XP). Only as a last resort might they admit that the MS products are not
perfect.

"Antares 531" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:49:38 -0800 (PST), smlunatick
wrote:

On Dec 28, 9:28 am, "Avatar" wrote:
Does the MS decision to leave out Windows 7 newsgroups as well as a
newsreader in the OS a harbinger of the future?
That the UseNet is being phased out - or is dying - after almost a third
of
a century?
Does MS know (and control) something we don't?
So is this also a social change dictated by technology's progress? -
That people will now forgo these discussions and instead concentrate on
'faster' means of conversation.
I don't really know where to stand on this but I feel we are witnessing
another - rather uncelebrated - change in online sociology.
Should I look forward to future newsgroups carried on Twitter someday?
Just some year-end musings (meaningless perhaps).
Wishing everybody a Happy New Year.
:-)
Jyanendra
(Courtesy Avatar)
-------------------


For Microsoft, YES it will be their end of supporting Usenet. They
are / have moved to a web forum style of post support. See
answers.microsoft.com

I've visited their web forums and I don't like them at all. They're
sort of like going back to horse and wagon transportation after having
become adapted to modern automobiles. I guess this is the end of my
communications privileges concerning MS products. Gordon



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Old December 28th 09, 06:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Bill Yanaire, ESQ[_2_]
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"JohnB" wrote in message
...
Spammers killed (are killing) UseNet.

Everyone talks about MS wanting to control things... what they're wanting
to control is the nonsense that gets posted on UseNet forums. With
web-based forums, there is a greater degree of control, by requiring a
login. It isn't perfect, but it does help.
I don't like it either. I'd prefer to view this forum with a newsreader
like OE.

It is the scum of society that always lowers the quality of life for
others.


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