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O.T. Mrimg backups, clones, restore images step by step (Paul)
Should I remove the HD and try it in
the Startech case? Robert |
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O.T. Mrimg backups, clones, restore images step by step (Paul)
Mark Twain wrote:
Should I remove the HD and try it in the Startech case? Robert You should remove it and try it inside the PC. Then go to Disk Management and see if a second drive appears there. The 8500 probably needs a tray for the second drive, which you are likely to have on hand. If a screw doesn't fit, find out why! You're not supposed to over-torque those screws. You can easily strip the threads on the drive. If the wrong screw went into one of those holes, it would bind. You even have to be careful to not use screws which are too long. Because they bottom out before the head tightens down. And feel like they're binding. Paul |
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O.T. Mrimg backups, clones, restore images step by step (Paul)
It is inside the computer.
I used screws I had left over and they don't feel like they are binding. So should I take it out and try it in the Startech case? Also you recommended cloning from WD Mrimg backup HD (with a 8500 OS) as it would have more space available. So I would have to connect that to the 8500 as well via USB. Thoughts/Suggestions? Robert |
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Mark Twain wrote:
It is inside the computer. I used screws I had left over and they don't feel like they are binding. So should I take it out and try it in the Startech case? Also you recommended cloning from WD Mrimg backup HD (with a 8500 OS) as it would have more space available. So I would have to connect that to the 8500 as well via USB. Thoughts/Suggestions? Robert You've cabled up both the SATA power (15 pin) and SATA data (7 pin) ? When the machine boots, you should see the two drives at BIOS level. Usually there's a BIOS setup screen, where you can select which hard drive is first for boot consideration, which is second and so on. If the drive is alive, you should see it at BIOS level. You can also check while you're there, that a SATA port hasn't been disabled. You've probably had two drives inside the 8500 before, so all of this should be working. The reason I don't like an enclosure for your first test, is it can "hide stuff". Still, if you cannot make any progress with it inside the computer case, then you'll have to use some enclosure to test. ******* The document I have here is xps-8500_Owner's Manual_en-us.pdf and in System Setup chapter (PDF page 119 in mine) it says: "During POST, when the DELL logo is displayed, watch for the F2 prompt to appear and then press F2 immediately." And you had some keyboard problem, and perhaps had to use the keyboard from the 780 to get into the BIOS ? In the table of various BIOS settings, the XPS8500 has four of six ports showing, one word here could be the silk screen value, the other (on the right) is the electrical port on the PCH (Southbridge). SATA Information SATA 0/Port 0 SATA 1/Port 5 SATA 2/Port 2 SATA 3/Port 3 And you should be seeing the hard drive model numbers of two hard drives (the normal boot drive and the new drive DM001 you got). Sometimes, a SATA port has a "disable" option, but it normally isn't recommended to turn off the port, as the protection the switch offers isn't reliable (Linux can undo the setting for itself). So it's not a control of iron-clad reputation. Normally, a disk would appear first as a "message at boot up, that Windows had installed a driver". That's one source of proof you'd see when Windows boots. Second, when you enter Disk Management, there can be a "new row" where the drive has just shown up. Disk Management should prompt to write a signature into the MBR. Then, you can click in the Unallocated area and define a partition for an initial test. The advantage of doing this inside the PC, is you have the best odds of detection in there. Plenty of DC power for the drive. And no USB enclosure chip to hide the status of the drive. Nothing prevents you from using your enclosure of course. But I'd prefer the PC give some indication it's alive first. Do whatever you have to, to prove it's not a dud :-) There are two PC screws which are close in size, but have different thread pitch. If you have to, remove (partially) a screw on the regular boot drive, just to see and confirm the type of the working one. Paul |
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O.T. Mrimg backups, clones, restore images step by step (Paul)
There was only one cable,..(SATA 15 pin) I checked for
the smaller blue cable (SATA7 pin) but I couldn't find anything. It must be there somewhere so I'll open it up again and see if I can find it. Then we'll see what happens when I boot. Thanks, Robert |
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Mark Twain wrote:
There was only one cable,..(SATA 15 pin) I checked for the smaller blue cable (SATA7 pin) but I couldn't find anything. It must be there somewhere so I'll open it up again and see if I can find it. Then we'll see what happens when I boot. Thanks, Robert If your 780 has a spare cable hanging down inside for the 7 pin one, you could use that. If you wanted to get one at a local computer store, take the existing one with you so the staff at the store can match it. The cable details include: 1) Length - half a meter or one meter - if you get one which is too long, dealing with the slack is a damn nuisance. 2) Ends - can be straight, left-angle, right-angle - ends on cable can be mixed, like a straight connector on one end, and angular one for the drive. The angular ones are good for drives where the computer cover would bang into the end of the cable, unless it was "flat". For example, I use right-angle ones for my Sonata case, as a cable with straight connectors on both ends, I'd be crushing the bent cable when closing the enclosure door. I can use straight to straight connectors for SSDs that lay loose on the bottom of the computer case. The orientation of some motherboard connectors can also cause a problem. Like maybe the upper motherboard SATA needs a left-angle, and the lower one can be straight. It's easier if you have a cable that works perfectly, you take it to the store and say "gimme one of these", as that takes a lot of variables out of the equation. It's possible the way your drives are secured in the enclosure, cable selection is less of an issue (the cover might not be near enough to the drive interface, to crush anything). Paul |
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This has gotten very involved for what I thought
was going to be simple. There is no second 7 pin cable inside the 8500 but appears they have slots for them. http://i63.tinypic.com/72t069.jpg http://i68.tinypic.com/1zba3ur.jpg Since it has no second 7 pin cable I removed the HD and put it in the Startech case but the 8500 doesn't recognize it. I heard the blip sound when I connected it but no pop-ups or icon for USB connection so I can safely remove it(I'll do it when I restart). I don't know if the 780 has a spare 7 pin or not. Sure seems like allot of work to clone a HD and I don't remember us doing this for the previous clone backup. However why won't it work with the Startech case? Do you think the case is bad or did I mess up 2 HD's? The only 'computer store' around is Radio Shack and I'm not sure if they are even still there. Robert |
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Mark Twain wrote:
This has gotten very involved for what I thought was going to be simple. There is no second 7 pin cable inside the 8500 but appears they have slots for them. http://i63.tinypic.com/72t069.jpg http://i68.tinypic.com/1zba3ur.jpg Since it has no second 7 pin cable I removed the HD and put it in the Startech case but the 8500 doesn't recognize it. I heard the blip sound when I connected it but no pop-ups or icon for USB connection so I can safely remove it(I'll do it when I restart). I don't know if the 780 has a spare 7 pin or not. Sure seems like allot of work to clone a HD and I don't remember us doing this for the previous clone backup. However why won't it work with the Startech case? Do you think the case is bad or did I mess up 2 HD's? The only 'computer store' around is Radio Shack and I'm not sure if they are even still there. Robert Are there any signs the drive is used stock ? Or does it look brand new ? I thought at some point, you've had two drives inside the computer case. Didn't you buy a tray at one point, to install a drive in one of the machines ? ******* In your first picture, I see an optical drive with an orange SATA data cable. And I see a blue SATA cable for one hard drive. There seems to be a second hard drive (judging by the two SATA port connectors I can see), but the second drive doesn't appear to have a data cable. The orange cable looks to be straight on both ends. While the blue one has an angled connector for the drive end. It looks like "borrowing" the optical drive data connector, would be easier said than done (there's a lot of wires on top of it). Perhaps picking up a cable which is straight on both ends would work for the second hard drive I cannot see. And your second picture confirms there are two spare SATA ports, and a straight end would work with either of those. And as near as I can tell, a straight cable end might work for the drive end as well. There's got to be a spare cable around your place somewhere :-) Check under the sofa cushions :-) Paul |
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O.T. Mrimg backups, clones, restore images step by step (Paul)
Well it came in an anti-static bag with
sealed sticker,. I assume it's new not refurbished. It looks new to me. I think you may be referring to when I had to get trays for the 780 because the one it had was broke and I added a spare tray just to make it complete. They're actually pretty good. I checked the 780 and there's only the one cable. http://i65.tinypic.com/2zdvr14.jpg I also checked the 8200: http://i66.tinypic.com/5n9ac9.jpg So it looks like my only option is to use the one in the 780 although I really hate to pull it. It still doesn't explain why the computer didn't recognize the HD in the Startech case. It should have,.... before I started pulling cables. Also, you said I was to clone from the WD HD because it will gain me more HD space. I'm leery of putting the WD HD into the 8500 for that when we can't even get the new HD in the Startech case to work. and to get a new cable if I can find a store I have to remove the cable from the 8500 and I'm leery about doing that. Robert |
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O.T. Mrimg backups, clones, restore images step by step (Paul)
Mark Twain wrote:
Well it came in an anti-static bag with sealed sticker,. I assume it's new not refurbished. It looks new to me. I think you may be referring to when I had to get trays for the 780 because the one it had was broke and I added a spare tray just to make it complete. They're actually pretty good. I checked the 780 and there's only the one cable. http://i65.tinypic.com/2zdvr14.jpg I also checked the 8200: http://i66.tinypic.com/5n9ac9.jpg So it looks like my only option is to use the one in the 780 although I really hate to pull it. It still doesn't explain why the computer didn't recognize the HD in the Startech case. It should have,.... before I started pulling cables. Also, you said I was to clone from the WD HD because it will gain me more HD space. I'm leery of putting the WD HD into the 8500 for that when we can't even get the new HD in the Startech case to work. and to get a new cable if I can find a store I have to remove the cable from the 8500 and I'm leery about doing that. Robert Look carefully at the 8500 and convince yourself a straight-to-straight cable is all you need. Measure the length, to find a close size. ******* Your first picture shows a computer with two cables. One cable to the HDD area, and one cable to the DVD drive. Those cables are probably also different lengths. You'd have to measure them. The orange cable is straight-to-straight, and might be the right length for the other machine. And of course the 8200 is IDE and doesn't have SATA. It had a RDRAM chipset, from quite a while ago. Paul |
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O.T. Mrimg backups, clones, restore images step by step (Paul)
I was thinking of doing just that... using
the cable from the 780 for the 8500. I'll check and see if it works. Robert |
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O.T. Mrimg backups, clones, restore images step by step (Paul)
Success!
http://i65.tinypic.com/i1ljti.jpg http://i64.tinypic.com/1zggcpd.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/2hfukow.jpg Too tired to start cloning tonight, but will let you know how it goes. Thanks, Robert |
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O.T. Mrimg backups, clones, restore images step by step (Paul)
I also started the 780 to see how it would
run without the cable. It did detect the missing cable but powered up normally after that. I'm at the desktop and everything looks OK. Robert |
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Mark Twain wrote:
I also started the 780 to see how it would run without the cable. It did detect the missing cable but powered up normally after that. I'm at the desktop and everything looks OK. Robert That's good progress :-) You still need to get enough testing done on the drive, to convince yourself it's fully functional. After your cloning is finished, you could try out HDTune if you have a copy. And run the benchmark curve. The benchmark on the free version of HDTune (which turns ten years old this year), is read-only and doesn't affect the data. Paul |
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O.T. Mrimg backups, clones, restore images step by step (Paul)
I made slideshows out of your instructions, they
work great and your instructions make it simple. Clone was successful; I ran a HDTune afterwards as you suggested: http://i63.tinypic.com/144b6gp.jpg http://i68.tinypic.com/6716bc.jpg http://i68.tinypic.com/ajukxj.jpg If I put the drive back in the Startech case it should detect it now, correct? Thanks, Robert |
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