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  #1  
Old May 8th 18, 03:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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Default A good computer program

My paradigm for years has been Macrium Reflect. Its GUI is highly
intuitive, it does what it says it will, it's avoided bloat-growth to a
large extent (? strangely worded phrase to describe what I was trying
to), and it's very unobtrusive. And one other point; it is excellent at
keep you fully abreast of what it's doing, how long it's got still to do
it, in both percentages and time. It never jerks the green line across
the screen from, say, 10% to 21%. Never that I've seen, anyway.

The very antithesis of that is Win10 OS. And I don't mean just the
notorious update secretiveness. I include things like copying large
files, uninstalling large programs, and lots more. It jumps from 10 to
21, tells you nothing, sometimes moves the line steadily, then jerks,
then stops. And some functions just tell you nothing until they're done.
There is a little of this even in Win7. But not to the extent of Win10.
The latter gives me the impression that it doesn't care about letting me
know where it's at.

Ed
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  #2  
Old May 8th 18, 07:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Ed Cryer wrote:

My paradigm for years has been Macrium Reflect. Its GUI is highly
intuitive, it does what it says it will, it's avoided bloat-growth to a
large extent (? strangely worded phrase to describe what I was trying
to), and it's very unobtrusive. And one other point; it is excellent at
keep you fully abreast of what it's doing, how long it's got still to do
it, in both percentages and time. It never jerks the green line across
the screen from, say, 10% to 21%. Never that I've seen, anyway.

The very antithesis of that is Win10 OS. And I don't mean just the
notorious update secretiveness. I include things like copying large
files, uninstalling large programs, and lots more. It jumps from 10 to
21, tells you nothing, sometimes moves the line steadily, then jerks,
then stops. And some functions just tell you nothing until they're done.
There is a little of this even in Win7. But not to the extent of Win10.
The latter gives me the impression that it doesn't care about letting me
know where it's at.


Did you have a question for this peer community to address? Or are you
just trying to instigate a flame thread? Why are you whining about
Windows 10 in a newsgroup for Windows 7? However, I doubt the peer
community over in the Windows 10 newsgroup needs to hear a rehash of the
same old, same old.
  #3  
Old May 8th 18, 08:00 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Ed Cryer wrote:
My paradigm for years has been Macrium Reflect. Its GUI is highly
intuitive, it does what it says it will, it's avoided bloat-growth to a
large extent (? strangely worded phrase to describe what I was trying
to), and it's very unobtrusive. And one other point; it is excellent at
keep you fully abreast of what it's doing, how long it's got still to do
it, in both percentages and time. It never jerks the green line across
the screen from, say, 10% to 21%. Never that I've seen, anyway.

The very antithesis of that is Win10 OS. And I don't mean just the
notorious update secretiveness. I include things like copying large
files, uninstalling large programs, and lots more. It jumps from 10 to
21, tells you nothing, sometimes moves the line steadily, then jerks,
then stops. And some functions just tell you nothing until they're done.
There is a little of this even in Win7. But not to the extent of Win10.
The latter gives me the impression that it doesn't care about letting me
know where it's at.

Ed


Progress indicators are a "hard science" :-)

I don't think they teach this in the Comp Sci degree program :-)

Obviously, the Macrium guy went to Graduate School :-)

But they have to put something on the screen, because
update processes do "freeze up" or "go to sleep". So
there is some actual intelligence there. I know that my
SetupHost needs to have its priority raised... or something.
Or that Windows Defender needs to be switched off.
Or Superfetch service perhaps.

Paul
  #4  
Old May 8th 18, 11:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
My paradigm for years has been Macrium Reflect. Its GUI is highly
intuitive, it does what it says it will, it's avoided bloat-growth to
a large extent (? strangely worded phrase to describe what I was
trying to), and it's very unobtrusive. And one other point; it is
excellent at keep you fully abreast of what it's doing, how long it's
got still to do it, in both percentages and time. It never jerks the
green line across the screen from, say, 10% to 21%. Never that I've
seen, anyway.

The very antithesis of that is Win10 OS. And I don't mean just the
notorious update secretiveness. I include things like copying large
files, uninstalling large programs, and lots more. It jumps from 10 to
21, tells you nothing, sometimes moves the line steadily, then jerks,
then stops. And some functions just tell you nothing until they're done.
There is a little of this even in Win7. But not to the extent of
Win10. The latter gives me the impression that it doesn't care about
letting me know where it's at.

Ed


Progress indicators are a "hard science" :-)

I don't think they teach this in the Comp Sci degree program :-)

Obviously, the Macrium guy went to Graduate School :-)

But they have to put something on the screen, because
update processes do "freeze up" or "go to sleep". So
there is some actual intelligence there. I know that my
SetupHost needs to have its priority raised... or something.
Or that Windows Defender needs to be switched off.
Or Superfetch service perhaps.

Â*Â* Paul


What annoy me most are the forecasts of completion times; starting with
2 hrs 18 mins, quickly replaced by 1 hr 8 mins, then a gradual descent
to 38 mins, until it grinds to a halt and starts upward again.

I'm currently setting up a new Win10 system. God stand by me!

BTW, if anyone knows where I can get Daemon Tools Lite & Imgburn without
bundled malware, please let me know.

Ed
  #5  
Old May 8th 18, 11:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
My paradigm for years has been Macrium Reflect. Its GUI is highly
intuitive, it does what it says it will, it's avoided bloat-growth to
a large extent (? strangely worded phrase to describe what I was
trying to), and it's very unobtrusive. And one other point; it is
excellent at keep you fully abreast of what it's doing, how long it's
got still to do it, in both percentages and time. It never jerks the
green line across the screen from, say, 10% to 21%. Never that I've
seen, anyway.

The very antithesis of that is Win10 OS. And I don't mean just the
notorious update secretiveness. I include things like copying large
files, uninstalling large programs, and lots more. It jumps from 10
to 21, tells you nothing, sometimes moves the line steadily, then
jerks, then stops. And some functions just tell you nothing until
they're done.
There is a little of this even in Win7. But not to the extent of
Win10. The latter gives me the impression that it doesn't care about
letting me know where it's at.

Ed


Progress indicators are a "hard science" :-)

I don't think they teach this in the Comp Sci degree program :-)

Obviously, the Macrium guy went to Graduate School :-)

But they have to put something on the screen, because
update processes do "freeze up" or "go to sleep". So
there is some actual intelligence there. I know that my
SetupHost needs to have its priority raised... or something.
Or that Windows Defender needs to be switched off.
Or Superfetch service perhaps.

Paul


What annoy me most are the forecasts of completion times; starting with
2 hrs 18 mins, quickly replaced by 1 hr 8 mins, then a gradual descent
to 38 mins, until it grinds to a halt and starts upward again.

I'm currently setting up a new Win10 system. God stand by me!

BTW, if anyone knows where I can get Daemon Tools Lite & Imgburn without
bundled malware, please let me know.

Ed


I use version 2.5.0.0 of Imgburn and turn off updates.
The later versions are "slightly larger".

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/do...mgburn-2-5-0-0

2.5.0.0_SetupImgBurn_2.5.0.0.exe 2,169,915 bytes Jul 26, 2009
CRC32: 39CD6FC6
MD5: F3791CFACDAC03B9E676E44AA2630243
SHA-1: E07BCC23B495D0A966BAE359EA9E0E3A11888454

Paul
  #6  
Old May 9th 18, 01:57 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Monty
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On Tue, 8 May 2018 23:03:20 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:



BTW, if anyone knows where I can get Daemon Tools Lite & Imgburn without
bundled malware, please let me know.

Ed

Two sites you might try:

www.oldversion.com

www.daemon-tools.cc

  #7  
Old May 9th 18, 03:39 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Paul
writes:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
My paradigm for years has been Macrium Reflect. Its GUI is highly
intuitive, it does what it says it will, it's avoided bloat-growth
to a large extent (? strangely worded phrase to describe what I was
trying to), and it's very unobtrusive. And one other point; it is
excellent at keep you fully abreast of what it's doing, how long
it's got still to do it, in both percentages and time. It never
jerks the green line across the screen from, say, 10% to 21%. Never that I've seen, anyway.


I agree re Macrium. I also think IrfanView has resisted bloat well (its
basic install file is still only slightly larger than one floppy's
worth!). I'd also include the utilities from SysInternals and NirSoft.

The very antithesis of that is Win10 OS. And I don't mean just the
notorious update secretiveness. I include things like copying large
files, uninstalling large programs, and lots more. It jumps from 10
to 21, tells you nothing, sometimes moves the line steadily, then
jerks, then stops. And some functions just tell you nothing until they're done.
There is a little of this even in Win7. But not to the extent of
Win10. The latter gives me the impression that it doesn't care about
letting me know where it's at.

The progress (or not) bars that _really_ irritate me are the ones that
don't tell you _anything_, but instead have a short coloured section
that passes uselessly across its progress-bar-like surround. These
started to appear (I think) in XP.

Ed

Progress indicators are a "hard science" :-)

I don't think they teach this in the Comp Sci degree program :-)

Obviously, the Macrium guy went to Graduate School :-)

[]
Paul

What annoy me most are the forecasts of completion times; starting
with 2 hrs 18 mins, quickly replaced by 1 hr 8 mins, then a gradual
descent to 38 mins, until it grinds to a halt and starts upward again.
I'm currently setting up a new Win10 system. God stand by me!
BTW, if anyone knows where I can get Daemon Tools Lite & Imgburn
without bundled malware, please let me know.
Ed


I use version 2.5.0.0 of Imgburn and turn off updates.
The later versions are "slightly larger".

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/do...mgburn-2-5-0-0


Over a few days last week, I found both oldversion and oldapps have been
poorly: the front ends were working, that is the pages that told you all
about the versions available, right up to the download link, but the
download link itself was timing out.
[]
I was trying to find the earliest version of ZoneAlarm that will work
with W7 32 bit. (OldVersion and oldapps disagree: OV says various
versions work with W7, OA says they only work up to Vista [and I think
is correct in that].) I specifically _don't_ want a "security suite",
which the latest version of ZA seems to be; I just want a firewall.
Ideally, one that works like the late lamented KPF 2.1.5 - i. e.
whenever anything tries to move data in or out, I get a popup, and can
choose to allow or not, with the option of remembering the choice,
building up a list of rules which I can later examine and edit. I
_don't_ want fancy graphs (BitMeter2 gives me a little one of those
which is more than I need), or _any_ other complications. (I was trying
ZoneAlarm because an 80-year-old friend has a version of that which
_does_ behave as I want - popups to ask, option of "remember choice" -
but I don't think she'd be up to telling me what version she has, and
for some reason she can't connect to TeamViewer at her end so I could
look. [Also she has 64-bit 7, if that makes any difference.])
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother,"saidPoohwhenhisspacebarrefusedtowork.
  #8  
Old May 9th 18, 03:59 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
My paradigm for years has been Macrium Reflect. Its GUI is highly
intuitive, it does what it says it will, it's avoided bloat-growth
to a large extent (? strangely worded phrase to describe what I
was trying to), and it's very unobtrusive. And one other point; it
is excellent at keep you fully abreast of what it's doing, how long
it's got still to do it, in both percentages and time. It never
jerks the green line across the screen from, say, 10% to 21%.
Never that I've seen, anyway.


I agree re Macrium. I also think IrfanView has resisted bloat well (its
basic install file is still only slightly larger than one floppy's
worth!). I'd also include the utilities from SysInternals and NirSoft.

The very antithesis of that is Win10 OS. And I don't mean just the
notorious update secretiveness. I include things like copying large
files, uninstalling large programs, and lots more. It jumps from 10
to 21, tells you nothing, sometimes moves the line steadily, then
jerks, then stops. And some functions just tell you nothing until
they're done.
There is a little of this even in Win7. But not to the extent of
Win10. The latter gives me the impression that it doesn't care
about letting me know where it's at.

The progress (or not) bars that _really_ irritate me are the ones that
don't tell you _anything_, but instead have a short coloured section
that passes uselessly across its progress-bar-like surround. These
started to appear (I think) in XP.

Ed

Progress indicators are a "hard science" :-)

I don't think they teach this in the Comp Sci degree program :-)

Obviously, the Macrium guy went to Graduate School :-)

[]
Paul
What annoy me most are the forecasts of completion times; starting
with 2 hrs 18 mins, quickly replaced by 1 hr 8 mins, then a gradual
descent to 38 mins, until it grinds to a halt and starts upward again.
I'm currently setting up a new Win10 system. God stand by me!
BTW, if anyone knows where I can get Daemon Tools Lite & Imgburn
without bundled malware, please let me know.
Ed


I use version 2.5.0.0 of Imgburn and turn off updates.
The later versions are "slightly larger".

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/do...mgburn-2-5-0-0


Over a few days last week, I found both oldversion and oldapps have been
poorly: the front ends were working, that is the pages that told you all
about the versions available, right up to the download link, but the
download link itself was timing out.
[]
I was trying to find the earliest version of ZoneAlarm that will work
with W7 32 bit. (OldVersion and oldapps disagree: OV says various
versions work with W7, OA says they only work up to Vista [and I think
is correct in that].) I specifically _don't_ want a "security suite",
which the latest version of ZA seems to be; I just want a firewall.
Ideally, one that works like the late lamented KPF 2.1.5 - i. e.
whenever anything tries to move data in or out, I get a popup, and can
choose to allow or not, with the option of remembering the choice,
building up a list of rules which I can later examine and edit. I
_don't_ want fancy graphs (BitMeter2 gives me a little one of those
which is more than I need), or _any_ other complications. (I was trying
ZoneAlarm because an 80-year-old friend has a version of that which
_does_ behave as I want - popups to ask, option of "remember choice" -
but I don't think she'd be up to telling me what version she has, and
for some reason she can't connect to TeamViewer at her end so I could
look. [Also she has 64-bit 7, if that makes any difference.])


I have another place to get an Imgburn.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090815...p?act=download

ImgBurn v2.5.0.0 (2,119 KB)
Released: Sunday 26th July 2009

CRC32: 39CD6FC6
MD5: F3791CFACDAC03B9E676E44AA2630243
SHA-1: E07BCC23B495D0A966BAE359EA9E0E3A11888454

*******

Zonealarm apparently has release notes.

https://www.zonealarm.com/software/r...ry/zafree.html

ZoneAlarm version 9.2.057.000
Includes Microsoft patch for Windows 7 systems:

ZoneAlarm version 9.1.007.002
Windows 7 operating system compatibility

I don't know if that's going to make the search any easier though.
You would have to be pretty lucky to have the download URL
archived on archive.org .

Paul
  #9  
Old May 9th 18, 06:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
I was trying to find the earliest version of ZoneAlarm that will work
with W7 32 bit. (OldVersion and oldapps disagree: OV says various
versions work with W7, OA says they only work up to Vista [and I think
is correct in that].) I specifically _don't_ want a "security suite",
which the latest version of ZA seems to be; I just want a firewall.
Ideally, one that works like the late lamented KPF 2.1.5 - i. e.
whenever anything tries to move data in or out, I get a popup, and can
choose to allow or not, with the option of remembering the choice,
building up a list of rules which I can later examine and edit. I

[]
Zonealarm apparently has release notes.

https://www.zonealarm.com/software/r...ry/zafree.html


Thanks for that link.

ZoneAlarm version 9.2.057.000
Includes Microsoft patch for Windows 7 systems:

ZoneAlarm version 9.1.007.002
Windows 7 operating system compatibility


Unfortunately, that history doesn't cover all versions: for example, it
goes from 8.0.298.000 to 9.1.007.002. It _looks_ from oldapps that
version 9.0.083.000 went up to Vista64, and 9.0.112.000 added both 7-32
and 7-64. (OldVersion suggests - I think erroneously - that versions 8
work with W7.)

I don't know if that's going to make the search any easier though.
You would have to be pretty lucky to have the download URL
archived on archive.org .

Paul

When I said I wanted the earliest version that works with 7, I _think_ I
meant major version; the little wrinkles that go with the minor version
numbers are mostly I think bugfixes and minor tweaks, so I'll probably
go for the latest v9 I can find. I just really didn't want to gain a lot
of extra bloat, but all the versions of v9 seem to be _about_ the same
size - ranging from 108 to 144 MB. (8 was 50 to 58; 10 was 221 upwards,
so there's clearly a quantum jump in size between versions.) Though
there are a couple of smaller versions of v9 on oldversion (44.8 and 47
MB), so I am wondering if some of them _are_ a full suite which I don't
want.

(Later!) I've managed to download two versions of 9.2.106, 45,873 KB,
which one of the posters on
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r310...bit-W7-HPE-SP1
says "is last version without a lot of bloat and is only a firewall." fc
/b ... both (from different sources) are the same. AVG says it's OK. I
think I'll leave trying it to another time, I'm a bit sleepy for the
moment!

[oldversion and oldapps' actual download servers are still timing out
with a 503, sadly )-:.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of
confidence. D McLeod
  #10  
Old May 9th 18, 01:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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Monty wrote:
On Tue, 8 May 2018 23:03:20 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:



BTW, if anyone knows where I can get Daemon Tools Lite & Imgburn without
bundled malware, please let me know.

Ed



www.daemon-tools.cc


That's where I got the free (with ads) version a day ago; and it sent my
AVs wild with anger. I've run MBAM, Spybot and Adwcleaner to ferret out
its droppings.

Ed
  #11  
Old May 9th 18, 02:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Ed Cryer wrote:
Monty wrote:
On Tue, 8 May 2018 23:03:20 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:



BTW, if anyone knows where I can get Daemon Tools Lite & Imgburn without
bundled malware, please let me know.

Ed



www.daemon-tools.cc


That's where I got the free (with ads) version a day ago; and it sent my
AVs wild with anger. I've run MBAM, Spybot and Adwcleaner to ferret out
its droppings.

Ed


Daemon Tools Lite doesn't seem to have a lot of features.
Compared to the paid versions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_Tools

It's possible you could get an ISO9660 mounter (virtual cd) from Microsoft.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/down....aspx?id=38780

And a program like 7ZIP, allows extracting individual files
directly from an ISO9660 file.

https://www.7-zip.org

Granted, Daemon Tools Lite supports more formats, but for
external content coming into the machine, you may be able to
bodge together a solution with existing offerings.

From my notes, it's possible this will convert a
folder of files, into an ISO9660 image. I may have been
using a recipe like this, to pass files into a VM environment
with broken networking. WSUSOffline is normally a tool for
preparing a set of security updates for windows, but it also
uses freeware tools for environment support. And it happens
to have some sort of port of mkisofs.

http://download.wsusoffline.net/mkisofs.exe

mkisofs -V "TESTIMG0" -J -r -o 0.iso ./0

The WADK kit may have had "oscdimg.exe", which is
a Microsoft tool that authors bootable installer discs.
This method used to work, to convert Windows 10 Insider download
folder contents, into an installer DVD, but it stopped working
over a year ago (once the Delta encoding era started).
The WADK kit would still have the capability of remastering
install media (customizing Windows installs). This was just
an interesting reuse of the tools.

https://deploymentresearch.com/Resea...y-tools-needed

Paul
  #12  
Old May 9th 18, 05:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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Default A good computer program

Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Monty wrote:
On Tue, 8 May 2018 23:03:20 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:


BTW, if anyone knows where I can get Daemon Tools Lite & Imgburn
without
bundled malware, please let me know.

Ed



Â* www.daemon-tools.cc


That's where I got the free (with ads) version a day ago; and it sent
my AVs wild with anger. I've run MBAM, Spybot and Adwcleaner to ferret
out its droppings.

Ed


Daemon Tools Lite doesn't seem to have a lot of features.
Compared to the paid versions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_Tools

It's possible you could get an ISO9660 mounter (virtual cd) from Microsoft.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/down....aspx?id=38780

And a program like 7ZIP, allows extracting individual files
directly from an ISO9660 file.

https://www.7-zip.org

Granted, Daemon Tools Lite supports more formats, but for
external content coming into the machine, you may be able to
bodge together a solution with existing offerings.

From my notes, it's possible this will convert a
folder of files, into an ISO9660 image. I may have been
using a recipe like this, to pass files into a VM environment
with broken networking. WSUSOffline is normally a tool for
preparing a set of security updates for windows, but it also
uses freeware tools for environment support. And it happens
to have some sort of port of mkisofs.

http://download.wsusoffline.net/mkisofs.exe

mkisofs -V "TESTIMG0" -J -r -o 0.iso ./0

The WADK kit may have had "oscdimg.exe", which is
a Microsoft tool that authors bootable installer discs.
This method used to work, to convert Windows 10 Insider download
folder contents, into an installer DVD, but it stopped working
over a year ago (once the Delta encoding era started).
The WADK kit would still have the capability of remastering
install media (customizing Windows installs). This was just
an interesting reuse of the tools.

https://deploymentresearch.com/Resea...y-tools-needed


Â*Â* Paul


Thanks Paul. I'll abandon Daemon Lite and go for something else.
I only ever used it to mount iso's, anyway.
7ZIP I've been using for years, without knowing that it could survey iso's.
As for mounting iso's there are heaps of freeware available; and this
list has your suggestion as no 1.
https://goo.gl/x46isH

Ed


  #13  
Old May 9th 18, 07:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Monty wrote:
On Tue, 8 May 2018 23:03:20 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:


BTW, if anyone knows where I can get Daemon Tools Lite & Imgburn
without
bundled malware, please let me know.

Ed


www.daemon-tools.cc


That's where I got the free (with ads) version a day ago; and it sent
my AVs wild with anger. I've run MBAM, Spybot and Adwcleaner to
ferret out its droppings.

Ed


Daemon Tools Lite doesn't seem to have a lot of features.
Compared to the paid versions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_Tools

It's possible you could get an ISO9660 mounter (virtual cd) from
Microsoft.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/down....aspx?id=38780

And a program like 7ZIP, allows extracting individual files
directly from an ISO9660 file.

https://www.7-zip.org

Granted, Daemon Tools Lite supports more formats, but for
external content coming into the machine, you may be able to
bodge together a solution with existing offerings.

From my notes, it's possible this will convert a
folder of files, into an ISO9660 image. I may have been
using a recipe like this, to pass files into a VM environment
with broken networking. WSUSOffline is normally a tool for
preparing a set of security updates for windows, but it also
uses freeware tools for environment support. And it happens
to have some sort of port of mkisofs.

http://download.wsusoffline.net/mkisofs.exe

mkisofs -V "TESTIMG0" -J -r -o 0.iso ./0

The WADK kit may have had "oscdimg.exe", which is
a Microsoft tool that authors bootable installer discs.
This method used to work, to convert Windows 10 Insider download
folder contents, into an installer DVD, but it stopped working
over a year ago (once the Delta encoding era started).
The WADK kit would still have the capability of remastering
install media (customizing Windows installs). This was just
an interesting reuse of the tools.

https://deploymentresearch.com/Resea...y-tools-needed


Paul


Thanks Paul. I'll abandon Daemon Lite and go for something else.
I only ever used it to mount iso's, anyway.
7ZIP I've been using for years, without knowing that it could survey iso's.
As for mounting iso's there are heaps of freeware available; and this
list has your suggestion as no 1.
https://goo.gl/x46isH

Ed


The 7ZIP 16.04 or higher, has added the ability to tunnel into
a bitmap copy of a hard drive, and burrow into the partitions
it recognizes. But the capability is marred by bad handling of
CHS geometry issues, so it doesn't always work. It was actually
working better when if first came out. But just about everything
I try to feed it today, it refuses to examine. It seems to
work best with "legacy MBR" disk images. A previous version
was hammering the usage of system RAM pretty hard, but the
algorithm got changed to a better streaming approach (which
he uses for a lot of his stuff).

So in terms of what version of 7ZIP you want, you can move up
to 16.04 if seeking the "maximum number of can openers". It will
open a WIM but not an ESD. And it doesn't really handle
"code packers" at all, of which there are 20-30 formats or so.
Your AV products have to handle those when scanning. But for most
day-to-day usages cases, "7ZIP handles everything" :-)

Usually, if a download involves a code packer, and the file
size is too large to upload to virustotal for analysis, that's
a sign it's "a bomb" and you probably don't want to run the
thing anyway :-)

Paul
  #14  
Old May 10th 18, 12:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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Posts: 2,621
Default A good computer program

Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Monty wrote:
On Tue, 8 May 2018 23:03:20 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:


BTW, if anyone knows where I can get Daemon Tools Lite & Imgburn
without
bundled malware, please let me know.

Ed


Â* www.daemon-tools.cc


That's where I got the free (with ads) version a day ago; and it
sent my AVs wild with anger. I've run MBAM, Spybot and Adwcleaner to
ferret out its droppings.

Ed

Daemon Tools Lite doesn't seem to have a lot of features.
Compared to the paid versions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_Tools

It's possible you could get an ISO9660 mounter (virtual cd) from
Microsoft.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/down....aspx?id=38780

And a program like 7ZIP, allows extracting individual files
directly from an ISO9660 file.

https://www.7-zip.org

Granted, Daemon Tools Lite supports more formats, but for
external content coming into the machine, you may be able to
bodge together a solution with existing offerings.

Â*From my notes, it's possible this will convert a
folder of files, into an ISO9660 image. I may have been
using a recipe like this, to pass files into a VM environment
with broken networking. WSUSOffline is normally a tool for
preparing a set of security updates for windows, but it also
uses freeware tools for environment support. And it happens
to have some sort of port of mkisofs.

http://download.wsusoffline.net/mkisofs.exe

mkisofs -V "TESTIMG0" -J -r -o 0.iso ./0

The WADK kit may have had "oscdimg.exe", which is
a Microsoft tool that authors bootable installer discs.
This method used to work, to convert Windows 10 Insider download
folder contents, into an installer DVD, but it stopped working
over a year ago (once the Delta encoding era started).
The WADK kit would still have the capability of remastering
install media (customizing Windows installs). This was just
an interesting reuse of the tools.

https://deploymentresearch.com/Resea...y-tools-needed


Â*Â*Â* Paul


Thanks Paul. I'll abandon Daemon Lite and go for something else.
I only ever used it to mount iso's, anyway.
7ZIP I've been using for years, without knowing that it could survey
iso's.
As for mounting iso's there are heaps of freeware available; and this
list has your suggestion as no 1.
https://goo.gl/x46isH

Ed


The 7ZIP 16.04 or higher, has added the ability to tunnel into
a bitmap copy of a hard drive, and burrow into the partitions
it recognizes. But the capability is marred by bad handling of
CHS geometry issues, so it doesn't always work. It was actually
working better when if first came out. But just about everything
I try to feed it today, it refuses to examine. It seems to
work best with "legacy MBR" disk images. A previous version
was hammering the usage of system RAM pretty hard, but the
algorithm got changed to a better streaming approach (which
he uses for a lot of his stuff).

So in terms of what version of 7ZIP you want, you can move up
to 16.04 if seeking the "maximum number of can openers". It will
open a WIM but not an ESD. And it doesn't really handle
"code packers" at all, of which there are 20-30 formats or so.
Your AV products have to handle those when scanning. But for most
day-to-day usages cases, "7ZIP handles everything" :-)

Usually, if a download involves a code packer, and the file
size is too large to upload to virustotal for analysis, that's
a sign it's "a bomb" and you probably don't want to run the
thing anyway :-)

Â*Â* Paul


I've found out that Win10 has its own generic iso-mounting capability.
It's in the context menu of iso files, but with the restriction that
they have to be on an NTFS-formatted medium.

Ed

  #15  
Old May 10th 18, 12:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,621
Default A good computer program

Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Monty wrote:
On Tue, 8 May 2018 23:03:20 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:


BTW, if anyone knows where I can get Daemon Tools Lite & Imgburn
without
bundled malware, please let me know.

Ed


Â* www.daemon-tools.cc


That's where I got the free (with ads) version a day ago; and it
sent my AVs wild with anger. I've run MBAM, Spybot and Adwcleaner
to ferret out its droppings.

Ed

Daemon Tools Lite doesn't seem to have a lot of features.
Compared to the paid versions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_Tools

It's possible you could get an ISO9660 mounter (virtual cd) from
Microsoft.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/down....aspx?id=38780

And a program like 7ZIP, allows extracting individual files
directly from an ISO9660 file.

https://www.7-zip.org

Granted, Daemon Tools Lite supports more formats, but for
external content coming into the machine, you may be able to
bodge together a solution with existing offerings.

Â*From my notes, it's possible this will convert a
folder of files, into an ISO9660 image. I may have been
using a recipe like this, to pass files into a VM environment
with broken networking. WSUSOffline is normally a tool for
preparing a set of security updates for windows, but it also
uses freeware tools for environment support. And it happens
to have some sort of port of mkisofs.

http://download.wsusoffline.net/mkisofs.exe

mkisofs -V "TESTIMG0" -J -r -o 0.iso ./0

The WADK kit may have had "oscdimg.exe", which is
a Microsoft tool that authors bootable installer discs.
This method used to work, to convert Windows 10 Insider download
folder contents, into an installer DVD, but it stopped working
over a year ago (once the Delta encoding era started).
The WADK kit would still have the capability of remastering
install media (customizing Windows installs). This was just
an interesting reuse of the tools.

https://deploymentresearch.com/Resea...y-tools-needed


Â*Â*Â* Paul

Thanks Paul. I'll abandon Daemon Lite and go for something else.
I only ever used it to mount iso's, anyway.
7ZIP I've been using for years, without knowing that it could survey
iso's.
As for mounting iso's there are heaps of freeware available; and this
list has your suggestion as no 1.
https://goo.gl/x46isH

Ed


The 7ZIP 16.04 or higher, has added the ability to tunnel into
a bitmap copy of a hard drive, and burrow into the partitions
it recognizes. But the capability is marred by bad handling of
CHS geometry issues, so it doesn't always work. It was actually
working better when if first came out. But just about everything
I try to feed it today, it refuses to examine. It seems to
work best with "legacy MBR" disk images. A previous version
was hammering the usage of system RAM pretty hard, but the
algorithm got changed to a better streaming approach (which
he uses for a lot of his stuff).

So in terms of what version of 7ZIP you want, you can move up
to 16.04 if seeking the "maximum number of can openers". It will
open a WIM but not an ESD. And it doesn't really handle
"code packers" at all, of which there are 20-30 formats or so.
Your AV products have to handle those when scanning. But for most
day-to-day usages cases, "7ZIP handles everything" :-)

Usually, if a download involves a code packer, and the file
size is too large to upload to virustotal for analysis, that's
a sign it's "a bomb" and you probably don't want to run the
thing anyway :-)

Â*Â*Â* Paul


I've found out that Win10 has its own generic iso-mounting capability.
It's in the context menu of iso files, but with the restriction that
they have to be on an NTFS-formatted medium.

Ed


https://goo.gl/HD4wem

Ed

 




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