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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
nospam wrote:
In article , Frank Slootweg wrote: The company I worked for banned them many years ago - for reasons of (a) concern of theft of secure [either in the government (it was a defence contractor) or commercial sense] material, and (b) fear of infection. Exactly. Same with the little 150K employee computer company I worked for. As soon as USB ports showed up on computers, they were made inoperable. (No card-readers at that time.) That was well before the year 2000. there weren't very many usb peripherals 'well before the year 2000' so disabling the usb ports didn't make much of a difference. Huh? The discussion is about USB (memory) sticks! meanwhile, ethernet ports remained active... Duh! Yes, they were quite handy to connect to our *intra*net, thank you very much! And yes, our Internet gateways were very secure/strict, TYVM. (Think NET-15 (and -16.) |
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Libor Striz wrote:
Jason Wrote in message: I recall a few years ago reading that the Pentagon had such a policy in place and had filled USB sockets with epoxy to enforce it. Quite a disadvantage if one is using a USB mouse or keyboard. That's why insert_diety invented PS/2! |
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Libor Striz wrote:
mechanic Wrote in message: On Sun, 13 May 2018 07:05:06 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote: "Mr. Man-wai Chang" Wrote in message: [BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks It is a logical decision. I do not see it as a topic. Welcome to UseNet mate. Being here for more then 20 years, mate. No worries, mate. Newbies are welcome! |
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote: The company I worked for banned them many years ago - for reasons of (a) concern of theft of secure [either in the government (it was a defence contractor) or commercial sense] material, and (b) fear of infection. Exactly. Same with the little 150K employee computer company I worked for. As soon as USB ports showed up on computers, they were made inoperable. (No card-readers at that time.) That was well before the year 2000. there weren't very many usb peripherals 'well before the year 2000' so disabling the usb ports didn't make much of a difference. Huh? The discussion is about USB (memory) sticks! which didn't exist 'well before the year 2000'. usb 1.1 was finalized in late 1998 and started to become popular in 1999 as manufacturers ramped up. usb 1.0 and win95 'support' did exist before that, but it was more of a technology demo than actual products. according to wikipedia, the first usb memory stick was available in mid-december, 2000, so really 2001 when people could buy them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive#History USB flash drives were invented at M-Systems, an Israeli company, in a US patent filed in April 5, 1999 by Amir Ban, Dov Moran and Oron Ogdan, all M-Systems employees at the time. The product was announced by the company in September 2000, and was first sold by IBM in 8MB capacity starting December 15, 2000. meanwhile, ethernet ports remained active... Duh! Yes, they were quite handy to connect to our *intra*net, thank you very much! And yes, our Internet gateways were very secure/strict, TYVM. (Think NET-15 (and -16.) connect a rogue device to the intranet. done. spoof mac address (easy) and it will go unnoticed by the admins. if data theft and malware infection was truly a concern, they'd need to disable floppy drives and pcmcia slots. did they? disabling usb was nothing more than fear of the unknown. |
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Frank Slootweg newsdacd4.9uk.1@ID-
201911.user.individual.net Sun, 13 May 2018 20:10:36 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: Libor Striz wrote: Jason Wrote in message: I recall a few years ago reading that the Pentagon had such a policy in place and had filled USB sockets with epoxy to enforce it. Quite a disadvantage if one is using a USB mouse or keyboard. That's why insert_diety invented PS/2! Have you seen a recent motherboard that has it? -- To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber stalking, it's highly recommended you visit he https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php ================================================== = One thing about pain: It proves you're alive. |
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Diesel wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote: That's why insert_diety invented PS/2! Have you seen a recent motherboard that has it? recent enough? https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z370%20Pro4/index.us.asp |
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Andy Burns
Sun, 13 May 2018 23:04:03 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: Diesel wrote: Frank Slootweg wrote: That's why insert_diety invented PS/2! Have you seen a recent motherboard that has it? recent enough? https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z370%20Pro4/index.us.asp Ayep. You'll notice it has a single ps/2 port available. For mouse or keyboard, not both. Short of using one of those adapters that may/may not work. Instead of the previous standard of two. One for each...ps/2 is on it's way out, in favor of USB. It has been for quite sometime. Give it a few more years, boards won't even include the single port anymore, of those that still do. -- To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber stalking, it's highly recommended you visit he https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php ================================================== = SYSTEM ERROR 10-100: Operator has to go to the bathroom. |
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
In alt.windows7.general Frank Slootweg wrote:
Libor Striz wrote: mechanic Wrote in message: On Sun, 13 May 2018 07:05:06 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote: "Mr. Man-wai Chang" Wrote in message: [BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks It is a logical decision. I do not see it as a topic. Welcome to UseNet mate. Being here for more then 20 years, mate. No worries, mate. Newbies are welcome! Ditto. -- Ma's Day esp. queen ants! Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- | |o o| | ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and URL/link. \ _ / ( ) |
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" Wrote in message:
[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44069488 Staff at IBM have been banned from using removable memory devices such as USB sticks, SD cards and flash drives. In fact, USB based storages were banned in IBM multiple years ago, unless authorized, e.g. USB stick based audit software, or company HW/OS service department. This time, it just gets to be more strictly controlled and eventually software countermeasures may to be applied. -- Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer) "Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity." Miloš Forman ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
nospam wrote:
In article , Frank Slootweg wrote: The company I worked for banned them many years ago - for reasons of (a) concern of theft of secure [either in the government (it was a defence contractor) or commercial sense] material, and (b) fear of infection. Exactly. Same with the little 150K employee computer company I worked for. As soon as USB ports showed up on computers, they were made inoperable. (No card-readers at that time.) That was well before the year 2000. there weren't very many usb peripherals 'well before the year 2000' so disabling the usb ports didn't make much of a difference. Huh? The discussion is about USB (memory) sticks! which didn't exist 'well before the year 2000'. Correct. I thought it was earlier, but according to my notes, it was probably mid-2001. usb 1.1 was finalized in late 1998 and started to become popular in 1999 as manufacturers ramped up. usb 1.0 and win95 'support' did exist before that, but it was more of a technology demo than actual products. We used Windows 2000 (and NT before that). according to wikipedia, the first usb memory stick was available in mid-december, 2000, so really 2001 when people could buy them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive#History USB flash drives were invented at M-Systems, an Israeli company, in a US patent filed in April 5, 1999 by Amir Ban, Dov Moran and Oron Ogdan, all M-Systems employees at the time. The product was announced by the company in September 2000, and was first sold by IBM in 8MB capacity starting December 15, 2000. meanwhile, ethernet ports remained active... Duh! Yes, they were quite handy to connect to our *intra*net, thank you very much! And yes, our Internet gateways were very secure/strict, TYVM. (Think NET-15 (and -16.) connect a rogue device to the intranet. done. spoof mac address (easy) and it will go unnoticed by the admins. Unlikely that someone trying to make a physical connection would get unnoticed, i.e. they would have to disconnect an existing device. And they would have to set a correct/non-clashing computer name. Not impossible, but unlikely. And what could they do, other than infect their own computer? No way they could get to any company data without knowing logins/passwords, etc.. (IIRC, they also would need the client software in order to be able to *get* a login, but I'm not absolutely sure about that.) if data theft and malware infection was truly a concern, they'd need to disable floppy drives and pcmcia slots. did they? Yes. The whole environment was locked down and all software installation/updating was managed by the IT department. I.e. one could only install/update software which was provide/blessed by the IT department. We actually sold our management software/services to our customers, i.e. if it serves us, it would most likely suit them as well. disabling usb was nothing more than fear of the unknown. I wouldn't call it 'fear', but a justified precaution, *because* the dangers were unkown. Bottom line: Trust me, you can leave it up to a 150K employee computer company to really lock down their own IT. |
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Diesel wrote:
Frank Slootweg newsdacd4.9uk.1@ID- 201911.user.individual.net Sun, 13 May 2018 20:10:36 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: Libor Striz wrote: Jason Wrote in message: I recall a few years ago reading that the Pentagon had such a policy in place and had filled USB sockets with epoxy to enforce it. Quite a disadvantage if one is using a USB mouse or keyboard. That's why insert_diety invented PS/2! Have you seen a recent motherboard that has it? It was/is 1) tongue-in-cheek, 2) in the given historical (hysterical?) context, 3) about IBM internal use (i.e. their MBs would have what they want/need) and 4) irrelevant for locked-down internal systems. And Andy Burns answered your question. |
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Diesel wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z370%20Pro4/index.us.asp Ayep. You'll notice it has a single ps/2 port available. For mouse or keyboard, not both. Don't quote me, but I think those PS/2 ports that are half green/half purple can cope with a 'Y' splitter |
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
On Mon, 14 May 2018 16:36:14 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote: Diesel wrote: Andy Burns wrote: https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z370%20Pro4/index.us.asp Ayep. You'll notice it has a single ps/2 port available. For mouse or keyboard, not both. Don't quote me, but I think those PS/2 ports that are half green/half purple can cope with a 'Y' splitter I have two systems here that are working fine with PS/2 splitters, but I can't speak for more than that. |
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
Andy Burns wrote:
Diesel wrote: Andy Burns wrote: https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z370%20Pro4/index.us.asp Ayep. You'll notice it has a single ps/2 port available. For mouse or keyboard, not both. Don't quote me, but I think those PS/2 ports that are half green/half purple can cope with a 'Y' splitter There are sufficient pins on the miniDIN to host two PS/2 electrical interfaces. Clock,Data for one, plus Clock,Data for a second interface. The remaining pins are power,ground. Once a PS/2 is spotted on the motherboard, it means there is a SuperI/O chip on the motherboard, and it's just as easy to support one PS/2 as two PS/2. SuperI/O exist in various stripped-down forms, but I don't think there's much incentive to strip off the second clock,data pair. The chip might typically be present so there can be a working Hardware Monitor interface. And to me, PS/2 is one of the most trouble-free interfaces in terms of drivers. Never seems to be a problem. Paul |
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[BBC] IBM workers banned from using USB sticks
In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote: The company I worked for banned them many years ago - for reasons of (a) concern of theft of secure [either in the government (it was a defence contractor) or commercial sense] material, and (b) fear of infection. Exactly. Same with the little 150K employee computer company I worked for. As soon as USB ports showed up on computers, they were made inoperable. (No card-readers at that time.) That was well before the year 2000. there weren't very many usb peripherals 'well before the year 2000' so disabling the usb ports didn't make much of a difference. Huh? The discussion is about USB (memory) sticks! which didn't exist 'well before the year 2000'. Correct. I thought it was earlier, but according to my notes, it was probably mid-2001. that time frame makes a bit more sense. |
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