Windows 7 Questions

"R. C. White" wrote in
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Hi, Andy.

See my inline bottom post...

"Andy" wrote in message
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"R. C. White" wrote in
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Hi, Henny.

Maybe I can answer a couple of your questions.

Why no windows mail?

Because people have complained for years about the "bloat" In
Windows.
By removing some functions that are not part of the actual
operating
system, MS made Windows 7 a bit slimmer than Vista. This also
reduces the complaints from vendors of competing products.

But, you can go to http://download.live.com and download - for free
- all the Windows Live Essentials. These include Windows Live Mail,
Windows Live Photo Gallery, Windows Live Messenger and a couple of
others.

It's like if Ford was forbidden to include a radio in their cars
because of complaints from Bose and other radio makers. The Ford
dealer could tell his customer, "You are free to go to Best Buy or
Wal*Mart or wherever you like and buy the radio of your choice. Or,
you can drive around to our service department and we'll install our
radio for free!" It doesn't make sense to me, but it should quiet
some of the complaints.

Are not these cluttered screens and a cluttered task bar just
hopeless confusion to new and less experienced users?

Not as much as you think. Most "new and less experienced users"
will not have to shake off the WinXP mindset that afflicts so many
experienced users. They will arrive at Win7 without all that old
baggage.

But many WinXP users - mostly the ones who have so adamantly
resisted learning to use Vista - will also have trouble learning to
use Win7 - or any other new system.

But those who enjoy learning about new and better systems will be
enjoying Win7 in just a few days. ;)

RC


I just got a Win7 'puter (laptop) on Saturday. Therre's a ton of
learning curve for me.

It should be fun - if you enjoy learning. ;)

The 64-bit OS has made me a bit nervous.

No need to be nervous. I've never had a Sony - or any laptop. But
I'm sure that Sony has already taken care of the hard parts. I doubt
that you will really notice the difference between 32-bit and 64-bit.
Most of the differences are under the hood; the user interfaces are
identical.

One important difference is that 64-bit Windows has an additional
program files folder, which first appeared in WinXP x64, then in Vista
x64 and now in Win7 x64. The original Program Files name is used for
64-bit applications. Most applications are still 32-bit and they are
installed in the newer "Program Files (x86)" folder; the "x86" refers
to the line of Intel 16- and 32-bit CPUs starting with the 8086 in the
mid-1980's. Win7 x64 should automatically sort apps into the correct
folders, and the user usually will not even notice unless he is
watching closely during the app's setup.

My 'puter is a Sony Vaio VGN-N270F.

Amazing how much stuff they can shoehorn into a 6.4 lb. box!

I'm so lost, a little less, as time passes watching the video help!

I DO miss outlook express. From such familiarity, this is a new step
out into the wild, so-to-speak.

Even Vista did not have OE, and Microsoft announced about 3 years ago
that development on both OE and Vista's Windows Mail had ceased and no
further updates will be forthcoming, except for security fixes that
might be needed. As discussed earlier in this thread, Win7 has no
email/news app at all, but you can download Windows Live Essentials -
including Windows Live Mail - for free from download.live.com.
Millions of users have successfully made the transition from OE to
WLM, and I'm sure you will, too.

Andy

Come on in. The water's fine! ;)

RC


RC,

I'd have thought 64-bit Windows would be 32-bit backwards compatible but
I've noticed some data handling discrepancies with one application
"xNews", it doesn't sort date and time like it used to. It's a couple
years old, that might explain that.

Now I'm going to call up my software companies I've licensed and inquire
before re-installing them.

Thanks,

Andy

"R. C. White" wrote in
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Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64


RC,

Also, explain, if you can, is Windows Live Mail a standalone emailer or a
web/online email version like fetching hotmail?

I haven't done homework on Windows Live yet.

All this new nomenclature... DAMMIT!

Best,

Andy

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:54:03 -0500, Andy compiled the
following:

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I'd have thought 64-bit Windows would be 32-bit backwards compatible but
I've noticed some data handling discrepancies with one application
"xNews", it doesn't sort date and time like it used to. It's a couple
years old, that might explain that.

The version of Xnews on this Win7 64bit m/c, Xnews/2009.05.01, is
sorting them the same way as I had it set up in Vista 64bit and in XP
32bit.
--
Geordie
Usenet, how to post info:
http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/usenet/...aq08-topp.html
http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html

Geordie wrote in
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:54:03 -0500, Andy compiled the
following:

snip
I'd have thought 64-bit Windows would be 32-bit backwards compatible
but
I've noticed some data handling discrepancies with one application
"xNews", it doesn't sort date and time like it used to. It's a couple
years old, that might explain that.

The version of Xnews on this Win7 64bit m/c, Xnews/2009.05.01, is
sorting them the same way as I had it set up in Vista 64bit and in XP
32bit.


Geordie,

I remember a test version of xNews!

Chances are there's a sort setting I completely forgot about.


From his website,

"new test version that supports 2^31 article numbers (sorry, no, it's
not the 64 bit version of Xnews "

What the heck?

Andy

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:22:33 -0500, Andy compiled the
following:

Geordie wrote in
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The version of Xnews on this Win7 64bit m/c, Xnews/2009.05.01, is
sorting them the same way as I had it set up in Vista 64bit and in XP
32bit.


Geordie,

I remember a test version of xNews!

That's the version I have.

Chances are there's a sort setting I completely forgot about.

This is what is in my xnews config file:
DateFmtDay=hh:nn
DateFmtWeek=ddd dd hh:nn
DateFmtYear=mmm dd hh:nn

It might not be what you are looking for though.

From his website,

"new test version that supports 2^31 article numbers (sorry, no, it's
not the 64 bit version of Xnews "

What the heck?

Andy

That was changes to Usenet postings if memory serves me correctly.

I only use Xnews as a back up, as Agent is my main newsreader.
--
Geordie
Usenet, how to post info:
http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/usenet/...aq08-topp.html
http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html

Geordie wrote in
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I only use Xnews as a back up, as Agent is my main newsreader.



I never used Agent as a Usenet newsreader.

Not knowing better, I always figured xNews as having the most capable
scoring and filters.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Andy

I'm still grasping the "library" feature.

I know what it is by Photoshop's library feature, I just can't wrap my
brain around an OS file library.

I'm familiar with aliases. Maybe the mechanism/implentation is causeing
me increased confusion.

And I've been 'puting since 196, instant messaging back then, between
schools, too!!!

We had paper printout terminals with IBM APL/360 golfballs and hand
dialed/coupled phone to modem connect back in 6th grade.

By no surprise, I'm PO'd that I've slipped behind the times.

You youngsters!

Back in the early 1980's I handled 5mB Winchester 6-level hard, 2,000rpm
disk drives for the Data General refrigerator-sized "mini" mainframes.

Before floppy disks!!!

Andy

Hi, Andy.

RC,

Also, explain, if you can, is Windows Live Mail a standalone emailer or a
web/online email version like fetching hotmail?

Yes, it is a standalone mail/news application. (It is like OE, except that
it is not integral to the OS.)

Yes, it can handle Hotmail accounts - and IMAP - but the only protocols I
know about are POP3/SMTP and NNTP.

I haven't done homework on Windows Live yet.

Go to download.live.com and have a good look.

All this new nomenclature... DAMMIT!

Agreed! The Microsoft application-naming crew has created far too much
unnecessary confusion!

Best,

Andy

Hi, again, Andy.

"Andy" wrote in message ...
I'm still grasping the "library" feature.

I know what it is by Photoshop's library feature, I just can't wrap my
brain around an OS file library.

Me, too. I KNOW where I have put my files. I put them into specific
folders (directories) on specific volumes (partitions and logical drives) on
specific HDDs because that's where my mind thinks they should be. And
that's where I look for them when I need them. The "libraries" concept says
I shouldn't worry about where they are; just click on what I want and
Windows will find it for me. But when I want a specific photo that I know
is in M:\Adobe\ChrisPix, I don't want to have to wander through Libraries or
even My Pictures to try to find it, because I already know where I put it.

I'm familiar with aliases. Maybe the mechanism/implentation is causeing
me increased confusion.

I think it's good for newbies who don't really understand partitions,
directories, file systems, etc. - and don't want to have to learn about
them. But for those of us who learned all that years ago, it's confusing.

And I've been 'puting since 196, instant messaging back then, between
schools, too!!!

We had paper printout terminals with IBM APL/360 golfballs and hand
dialed/coupled phone to modem connect back in 6th grade.

In college in the 1950's, we didn't have computers, we had "IBM Machines".
These were the "tabulating machines" that used 80-column punched cards. My
first computer was the original TRS-80 in 1977. I started with music
cassette storage and got a 5 1/4" floppy disk the next summer.

By no surprise, I'm PO'd that I've slipped behind the times.

I figure that I started up this learning curve the day I was born and I
expect to keep climbing it until the day I die. Learning new stuff is still
FUN! ;)

You youngsters!

Back in the early 1980's I handled 5mB Winchester 6-level hard, 2,000rpm
disk drives for the Data General refrigerator-sized "mini" mainframes.

Before floppy disks!!!

In the late 1970's, our CPA firm got the large-desk-size IBM Model 32
mini-computer. It used 8" floppy diskettes, but I never had a chance to use
them or or learn much about them. We had to hire an operator to run it.

The first hard disk I saw for a PC was a 5 MB drive for a TRS-80 Model II in
about 1983. It was about the size of the original Compaq computer.

Andy

OK, enough reminiscing for today. We're probably boring those youngsters.
;)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

"R. C. White" wrote in
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Hi, again, Andy.

"Andy" wrote in message
...
I'm still grasping the "library" feature.

I know what it is by Photoshop's library feature, I just can't wrap
my brain around an OS file library.

Me, too. I KNOW where I have put my files. I put them into specific
folders (directories) on specific volumes (partitions and logical
drives) on specific HDDs because that's where my mind thinks they
should be. And that's where I look for them when I need them. The
"libraries" concept says I shouldn't worry about where they are; just
click on what I want and Windows will find it for me. But when I want
a specific photo that I know is in M:\Adobe\ChrisPix, I don't want to
have to wander through Libraries or even My Pictures to try to find
it, because I already know where I put it.

I'm familiar with aliases. Maybe the mechanism/implentation is
causeing me increased confusion.

I think it's good for newbies who don't really understand partitions,
directories, file systems, etc. - and don't want to have to learn
about them. But for those of us who learned all that years ago, it's
confusing.

And I've been 'puting since 196, instant messaging back then, between
schools, too!!!

We had paper printout terminals with IBM APL/360 golfballs and hand
dialed/coupled phone to modem connect back in 6th grade.

In college in the 1950's, we didn't have computers, we had "IBM
Machines". These were the "tabulating machines" that used 80-column
punched cards. My first computer was the original TRS-80 in 1977. I
started with music cassette storage and got a 5 1/4" floppy disk the
next summer.


RC,

Ahhh, the good old Hollarith cards! BTW, I wasn't 'puting until 1969!
OOPS!

We had to program using them at UCLA. I'll never forget passing the
class. I took the shoebox of carefully index card separated programs and
tossing the entire thing into the air and let them flutter around. What
a great stress relief!!! LOLOL!!!

Best,

Andy



By no surprise, I'm PO'd that I've slipped behind the times.

I figure that I started up this learning curve the day I was born and
I expect to keep climbing it until the day I die. Learning new stuff
is still FUN! ;)

You youngsters!

Back in the early 1980's I handled 5mB Winchester 6-level hard,
2,000rpm disk drives for the Data General refrigerator-sized "mini"
mainframes.

Before floppy disks!!!

In the late 1970's, our CPA firm got the large-desk-size IBM Model 32
mini-computer. It used 8" floppy diskettes, but I never had a chance
to use them or or learn much about them. We had to hire an operator
to run it.

The first hard disk I saw for a PC was a 5 MB drive for a TRS-80 Model
II in about 1983. It was about the size of the original Compaq
computer.

Andy

OK, enough reminiscing for today. We're probably boring those
youngsters. ;)

RC


Thanks for sharing the magic!

[waving]

Andy

"Andy" wrote:
Ahhh, the good old Hollarith cards! BTW, I wasn't 'puting
until 1969!
OOPS!

We had to program using them at UCLA....

Yeah, and those cards were dispensed out of vending
machines outside the program submission window in
Boelter Hall. I remember having to write tight FORTRAN
code to fit the programs onto my budget-limited pack of
cards. I remember taking the FORTRAN course from a
Vietnamese grad student named "Tran" that year. That was
just about the time that ARPA research started at UCLA
and at other universities to give rise to the ARPAnet and
then the Internet.

*TimDaniels*

"Speaking in silver" wrote in message
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No, but you can always use Google groups :-(

And get blocked by many newsreader-using regulars.....

"R. C. White" wrote in message
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Agreed! The Microsoft application-naming crew has created far too much
unnecessary confusion!


At least the confusion between Outlook Express and Outlook is diminishing
rapidly with the demise of XP.... :-)

"Gordon" wrote in message
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"Speaking in silver" wrote in message
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No, but you can always use Google groups :-(

And get blocked by many newsreader-using regulars.....


I still have a Google Groups account I had not used in years. Logged in and
checked and it shows no such group still. I guess they are not yet archiving
or supporting this group.
--
The older we get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
Will Rogers

"Speaking in silver" wrote in message
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Part of the global strategy against freedom in the internet. Usenet allows
to post and download anonymously. They don't like that. Instead, they want
you to use use WLM,

Eh? What rubbish. Windows Live Mail is an email client/News reader just like
Thunderbird. How does that compromise your anonymity in Usenet?