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  #1  
Old November 16th 14, 12:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Joel
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I'm practicing to become a MVP then you tell to Microsoft the system bugs. I
realize this group needs helpers with experience to work with Windows 10.

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This is the end.

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  #2  
Old November 16th 14, 12:31 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Nil[_5_]
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On 15 Nov 2014, "Joel" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

This is the end.


I hope so.
  #3  
Old November 16th 14, 12:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Friends
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"Nil" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 15 Nov 2014, "Joel" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

This is the end.


I hope so.

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Nil, it's a signature like a cool sentence. You don't have to reply.

  #4  
Old November 16th 14, 01:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Friends wrote:
quoting corrected that Friends didn't bother to do himself

"Nil" ...

"Joel" wrote:

This is the end.


I hope so.


--
bogus sig delimiter
signature deleted
that means EVERYTHING Friends said AFTER the signature delimiter


And you (Friends) don't know to position your reply content above the
sigdash delimiter line. The newsreader you chose to use (WLM since
version 14) requires *YOU* to do the proper prefix INDENTing of quoted
content and to properly position the reply ABOVE the sigdash line.

In fact, you didn't use a valid signature delimiter line (but some NNTP
clients handle the sloppy syntax to trim out signatures in a reply as
this was how Outlook Express inserted an invalid sig delimiter). The
correct delimiter line is dash-dash-SPACE-newline. Your invalid
delimiter line is only dash-dash-newline.

You are replying below an invalid sigdash line.
  #5  
Old November 16th 14, 01:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 18:43:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Friends wrote:
quoting corrected that Friends didn't bother to do himself

"Nil" ...

"Joel" wrote:

This is the end.

I hope so.


--
bogus sig delimiter
signature deleted
that means EVERYTHING Friends said AFTER the signature delimiter


And you (Friends) don't know to position your reply content above the
sigdash delimiter line. The newsreader you chose to use (WLM since
version 14) requires *YOU* to do the proper prefix INDENTing of quoted
content and to properly position the reply ABOVE the sigdash line.

In fact, you didn't use a valid signature delimiter line (but some NNTP
clients handle the sloppy syntax to trim out signatures in a reply as
this was how Outlook Express inserted an invalid sig delimiter). The
correct delimiter line is dash-dash-SPACE-newline. Your invalid
delimiter line is only dash-dash-newline.

You are replying below an invalid sigdash line.


That might be considered as doing us a favor.

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  #6  
Old November 16th 14, 02:23 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Joel wrote:

I'm practicing to become a MVP then you tell to Microsoft the system bugs. I
realize this group needs helpers with experience to work with Windows 10.


Chatting and creating noise do not count towards an MVP nomination. The
number of your posts alone will never qualify you as an MVP (and you are
years away from accumulating enough *helpful* posts). The quality of
your posts has more weighting than how many but how many shows
consistent participation (and not all in short spurts but over time).
To be honest, the quality (content) of the majority of your posts, so
far, won't be considered towards a nomination. Spewing out tons of
blathering posts is not how you obtain the MVP award.

Read the MVP rules to obtain nomination. You have been on the wrong
path. Note that trying to nominate yourself will be reviewed by other
existing MVPs. If it is clear that you in now way deserve the award,
you be discarded in future self nominations or nominations others. They
remember.

If you want an example of someone trying to get the MVP award who got
blacklisted by his activities, lying that he's an MVP, the content of
his posts (what are so often invalid or misleading as to appear
deliberately that way), who pirates software to put on his web site that
he claims is his, and attempts to garner the award by trying to create a
domain registration with "MVP" in it (that got blocked and will remain
so) to further lie to others, look up "PC Butts" who also nymshifts
(pcbutts, pcbutts1, chris butts, [The] Real Truth, etc).

Note that if you do get the MVP award, it can be withdrawn. If you're
more bad than good, you lose the badge. You are expected to be helpful,
honest, and professional. That also means you must be more reserved in
the content of your posts. You are expected to be a professional. I
forget now how many thousands of posts that I had when I got asked if I
wanted to get nominated but politely refused since that would cramp my
style. I'd rather be me than present a persona of a pro-Microsoft rep
that should throttle his behavior in Usenet. After all, everyone knows
you are NOT an employee of Microsoft with the MVP award and, in my view,
is a pretty much an over-rated award.

No one must be an MVP to report bugs to Microsoft; however, they expect
better structure and more coherent content. If English is not your
native language, you should note that in your MVP profile, plus you
should post in your native language (and optionally include an English
translation). You also have to be over 18 to get the award. You have
to establish a long history of helping others in Usenet (and, I believe,
in their web-based forums but not necessarily both). Once you get the
award, you have to remain professional. Nymshifting is likely to get
you labelled as a troll. You might want to have alter egos: one for a
personal persona that you can use to help or abuse and then an MVP
persona to gain the award and look professional is not acceptable.
Eventually a nymshifter or someone using sock puppets gets exposed after
which their MVP award is ignored and they're considered a liar.

You might also consider posting with something a lot more identifiable
than a single first name. Pick a name that is unique to you, something
that others will recognize as you instead of every other Joel on the
planet. By the way, are you really claiming you are USA News, the real
registrant of the news.net domain you specify in the domain (right
token) portion of your e-mail address in your From header, so you have
permission to use that domain when posting here? You have an e-mail
account at USA News?
  #7  
Old November 16th 14, 04:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Nil wrote:

On 15 Nov 2014, "Friends" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Nil, it's a signature like a cool sentence. You don't have to
reply.


That may have been your intention, but it was not a signature.

In any case, I wasn't replying to the line, I was really replying to
the fact that, so far at least, your posts are nonsensical and without
content or value.


He is probably, um, confused (as are his posts but maybe English is not
his native language) in thinking the volume of hist posts will earn him
an MVP award. He wants the MVP award under, what, the name Joel along
with every other Joel out there in Usenet? I remember another poster
(but not his nym) that keep puking out worthless posts, especially the
"me, too" and "+1" types, to up his post count thinking it would earn
him the award. (rolls eyes)

Think of the social networking boobs who think a high fake "friends" or
"likes" count makes them special (as in Dana Carvey's Church Lady saying
"well isn't that s-p-e-c-i-a-l", www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg).

When you die, it's not how many people knew you. It's how many will
miss you and for how long. Quality over quantity.
  #8  
Old November 16th 14, 09:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jeff Gaines[_2_]
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On 15/11/2014 in message Nil
wrote:

On 15 Nov 2014, "Joel" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

This is the end.


I hope so.


:-)

Brilliant.

--
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
Indecision is the key to flexibility
  #9  
Old November 16th 14, 12:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
...winston‫
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VanguardLH wrote:
You have
to establish a long history of helping others in Usenet (and, I believe,
in their web-based forums but not necessarily both).


'Not necessarily both' is correct
- since Usenet counts zippo and hasn't for some time


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....winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #10  
Old November 16th 14, 09:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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"...winston‫" wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:
You have
to establish a long history of helping others in Usenet (and, I believe,
in their web-based forums but not necessarily both).


'Not necessarily both' is correct
- since Usenet counts zippo and hasn't for some time


So those MVPs that review a nomination are no longer visiting Usenet?
  #11  
Old November 17th 14, 04:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
...winston‫
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VanguardLH wrote:
"...winston‫" wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:
You have
to establish a long history of helping others in Usenet (and, I believe,
in their web-based forums but not necessarily both).


'Not necessarily both' is correct
- since Usenet counts zippo and hasn't for some time


So those MVPs that review a nomination are no longer visiting Usenet?


Nomination review is MSFT role, not MVP's. Usenet contribution counts nil.

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....winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #12  
Old November 17th 14, 05:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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winston wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

winston wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

You have to establish a long history of helping others in Usenet
(and, I believe, in their web-based forums but not necessarily
both).

'Not necessarily both' is correct
- since Usenet counts zippo and hasn't for some time


So those MVPs that review a nomination are no longer visiting Usenet?


Nomination review is MSFT role, not MVP's. Usenet contribution counts nil.


Too bad. When Microsoft raced away from Usenet, a communications venue
they could not control, they really abandoned everyone there.

"Some of the criteria we evaluate include the impact of a nominee¢s
contributions to online forums such as Microsoft Answers, TechNet and
MSDN; wikis and online content; conferences and user groups; podcasts,
Web sites and blogs; and articles and books."

Yep, Usenet (newsgroups) participation doesn't count anymore.

"Of the more than 100 million social and technical community members
worldwide, each year only about 3,800 are recognized as MVPs."
"Each nominee's contributions are compared to other candidates'
contributions for the same year."

Joel has a long road ahead but after amending his, um, style.

"Active MVPs receive the same level of scrutiny as new candidates each
year."

So, like retro-active abortion, Joel must be mindful of his behavior and
content. Oops, forgot, Usenet doesn't count anymore. Poor Joel.

I thought the award could be rescinded but instead it may not get
renewed after the award year.

"Potential MVPs are nominated by other technical community members,
current and former MVPs, and Microsoft personnel who have noted their
community leadership."

Yet I saw a web form at Microsoft's MVP site for self-nomination at
https://mvp.microsoft.com/private/no...n/nominateself. What's with
that? I suppose a self-nominated candidate still gets scrutinized as
does any candidate nominated by someone else but it smacks of a tot
yanking on his mother's skirt trying to get attention. Look at me, me
me me, I'm here, lookie, me me, me again.
  #13  
Old November 17th 14, 04:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
R. C. White
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Hi, Vanguard.

In an earlier post, you said:
You are expected to be a professional. I forget now how many thousands of
posts that I had when I got asked if I wanted to get nominated but
politely refused since that would cramp my style. I'd rather be me than
present a persona of a pro-Microsoft rep that should throttle his behavior
in Usenet. After all, everyone knows you are NOT an employee of Microsoft
with the MVP award and, in my view, is a pretty much an over-rated award.


You probably missed out on a great opportunity. I had a similar
invitation - out of the blue - from a Microsoft employee in 2002, and I
almost refused, too; I'm glad I didn't.. I replied that I had 3 concerns,
to which the 'Softie responded:
1. Like you, I worried that readers would give my comments and advice
more weight simply because of the MVP after my name, when I really didn't
know any more today than before I got the MVP Award. The Award does not
require any courses or examinations or other formal evidence of expertise.
He reminded me that my reputation was based on what I had posted in the
past - without the MVP label - and would continue to post, he hoped.
2. I worried that the MVP tag might imply that I was "the voice" of
Microsoft and that I might be required to "toe the Microsoft line". That I
would be required to recommend and use MSFT products and spout only the
Company line. He assured me that there was no such requirement; Microsoft
would be fine with my continued use of Quicken, rather than MS Money, for
example. Most of my posts would be related to MSFT products, naturally, but
my emphasis would continue to be the support of computer USERS, not the
support of Microsoft and its programs. Microsoft executives often called us
their most vocal and strongest - and often their harshest - critics.
3. Microsoft might require me to post a minimum volume of messages in
specified venues, to take required courses, or otherwise perform certain
functions for the Company. "No way!", he said. If Microsoft dictated what
I must do and how I must do it, then the IRS - and the Labor Department -
would classify me as an MSFT employee, which would open a wide array of
corporate duties, such as minimum wages, payroll taxes, workers compensation
and liability insurance issues...and others. He also emphasized that the
MVP Award was for what we had already done, not for what we might be
expected to do . Microsoft HOPED that we would continue to do what we had
been doing, but they could not require that.

So, I told the 'Softie that I would try it for a year. In February 2003, I
attended the MVP Global Summit in Redmond. MSFT provided housing and meals;
I paid for my air fare and other expenses for the half-week. Meeting about
a thousand other MVPs from all over the world was the most enjoyable and
educational part of my MVP experience! It was great to "put faces on the
names" that I had seen in Usenet posts and other places for years.

In 2010, Microsoft emphasized their Forums and other venues and discontinued
participation in Usenet. They closed their Microsoft Public news server
farm. Many independent NSPs ignored Microsoft's request and continued
hosting the Microsoft public NGs, which they had been mirroring, and still
host those NGs today. But Microsoft stopped counting NG participation as
part of their MVP criteria. Some MVPs, including myself, could never get
comfy in the forums, so we became less visible to the MVP selectors. Also,
it seemed to many of us that the MVP program was changing; MSFT even began
to urge us to be "evangelists". I did not receive the MVP Award again on
October 1, 2010, or since.

It is a bit of a relief to no longer be an MVP. And, as so many other MVPs
have said, I've continued to do just what I did before and during my MVP
years, and will keep on doing the same things - but we miss seeing our
friends at the annual Summit. :(

I'm glad I accepted the Award. I think you would have enjoyed it, too.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro with Media
Center


"VanguardLH" wrote in message ...

winston wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

winston wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

You have to establish a long history of helping others in Usenet
(and, I believe, in their web-based forums but not necessarily
both).

'Not necessarily both' is correct
- since Usenet counts zippo and hasn't for some time


So those MVPs that review a nomination are no longer visiting Usenet?


Nomination review is MSFT role, not MVP's. Usenet contribution counts
nil.


Too bad. When Microsoft raced away from Usenet, a communications venue
they could not control, they really abandoned everyone there.

"Some of the criteria we evaluate include the impact of a nominee¢s
contributions to online forums such as Microsoft Answers, TechNet and
MSDN; wikis and online content; conferences and user groups; podcasts,
Web sites and blogs; and articles and books."

Yep, Usenet (newsgroups) participation doesn't count anymore.

"Of the more than 100 million social and technical community members
worldwide, each year only about 3,800 are recognized as MVPs."
"Each nominee's contributions are compared to other candidates'
contributions for the same year."

Joel has a long road ahead but after amending his, um, style.

"Active MVPs receive the same level of scrutiny as new candidates each
year."

So, like retro-active abortion, Joel must be mindful of his behavior and
content. Oops, forgot, Usenet doesn't count anymore. Poor Joel.

I thought the award could be rescinded but instead it may not get
renewed after the award year.

"Potential MVPs are nominated by other technical community members,
current and former MVPs, and Microsoft personnel who have noted their
community leadership."

Yet I saw a web form at Microsoft's MVP site for self-nomination at
https://mvp.microsoft.com/private/no...n/nominateself. What's with
that? I suppose a self-nominated candidate still gets scrutinized as
does any candidate nominated by someone else but it smacks of a tot
yanking on his mother's skirt trying to get attention. Look at me, me
me me, I'm here, lookie, me me, me again.

 




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